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roc-digest          Monday, December 18 2000          Volume 02 : Number 409




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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 00 15:35:39 PST
From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: No More Mr. Nice Guy - TOM ADKINS (fwd)

On Dec 16, Coolhair1@aol.com wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

No More Mr. Nice Guy
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the Common Conservative                                          12/15/00
                                   Link--->   <A 
HREF="http://commonconservative.com/">commonconservative.com</A>
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No More Mr. Nice Guy
Republicans get tough!
by Tom Adkins

As a cynical friend of mine once observed, "Politics is a bar fight. When the 
chairs start flying, Democrats smash a beer bottle, jump on the table and 
snarl. Republicans respond 'Rook to Queen four, please'" 

It's hard to believe, but after getting sand kicked in our faces by Democrat 
bullies for 50 years, Republicans finally put up their dukes. They fought a 
mean, nasty hard-nosed battle against Democrat bullies. And won. Well, 
whaddaya know! No more Mr. Nice Guy!

After two recounts didn't produce a Gore victory, Democrats maneuvered to 
hijack the election via the razor-thin edge in Florida. But a funny thing 
happened. Republicans didn't back down. Instead, they got tough. Real tough. 
The Bush team put together a smart legal strategy and stuck with it, ignoring 
Democrat recount traps. Meanwhile, James Baker magnificently deflected the 
Gore team's smoke-and-mirror attacks and fired back with verbal howitzers. 
Bush communications director Karen Hughes muzzled her candidate as Gore spun 
his wheels deeper into the mud. Republican pundits across the country 
attacked over air, land and cable. Even Internet chat rooms were filled with 
snappy answers to liberal soundbytes. 

The typically docile everyday Republicans across the country became inspired, 
marched down to the local protest and gleefully screamed at outnumbered Gore 
protesters. The RNC even borrowed a time-tested page from the Democrat play 
book, flying staffers into Florida to boisterously protest Dade County's 
attempt to secretly "count" ballots. It was pure joy watching the indignant 
Bill Press (CNN) get flustered when counterpart Tucker Carlson exclaimed 
"This is great! I'm so proud of them!"

Even the US Supremes got into the act. In an arena where liberals have 
weaseled all too many concessions from conservative appointees, the latest 
Democrat shenanigans stirred up angry moderate blood. The overrated David 
Boise was amazingly tongue-tied as he discovered the shtick that worked 
wonders with the home team Florida Supreme outlaws ignited the usually 
reserved Sandra Day O'Connor, who turned him into her personal punching bag. 
In the end, the Florida Supremes got swatted down three times for getting 
frisky and rewriting election laws. Throughout the hearings, every Democrat 
thrust was thwarted by a brilliant Republican parry. And in a display of pure 
trash-talking insult, the Republican Florida House voted in a slate of GOP 
electors before the Supremes rendered their final judgment.

In the face of Democrat pressure, Republicans never blinked. Everyone stayed 
on message, spinning risky political stances into winning arguments in the 
courtroom, over the airwaves, on the street, and into victory. 

I weep with pride. 

Liberal defector David Horowitz stated in his book, The Art Of Political War, 
"As the party of bankrupt principles, discredited policies, and two faced 
political arguments, the Democrats have dramatically demonstrated how 
effective the art of political war can be in the hands of a party that 
understands its principles." You got that right, Dave. There are still 
Democrats looking to finagle the election for Gore. The annoying Bob Wexler 
threatened to upset the electoral confirmation process. Slimy Bob Beckel is 
trying to blackmail Bush electors. But in the aftermath of the Florida 
fiasco, GW looks shrewd. His staff of old bulls from GOP history, Dick 
Cheney, James Baker and Colin Powell know how to fight and win these wars. 
They played butt-kicking offense, and the Democrat bullies were reeling and 
squealing with every hard punch. And look who won?

Upper-crust Republicans should pay attention. People aren't motivated by 
smoking jacket wearing potbellies lounging at the country club, sniffing 
brandy and muttering under their breath. They want blood. Guts. Principle. 
Action. Above all, they want victory. That means bare-knuckles political 
brawling. The new-breed Republicans instinctively know this. Chuck Muth, just 
elected National Chairman of the Republican Liberty Caucus states flatly, 
"The Kumbaya wing of the GOP won't find a sympathetic ear as long as I'm 
chairman. We're in a dead serious war of ideas. I'm in this to win, not split 
the difference. The RLC will march toward the sound of cannons, not retreat 
from them. Democrats and others who would shred the constitution need to be 
wiped off the electoral map." Yow! Them's fightin' words, folks! Maybe that 
spirit finally percolated up to the rest of Republican leadership. Cause it 
sure looks like the skinny Republican kid pumped iron and took boxing 
lessons. And got an attitude to boot. You want summa dis? No more Mr. Nice 
guy.

It's about time.

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An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
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     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!

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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 00 21:41:35 PST
From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Re: [HuntersHeritage] Seriously Ill Get Chance To Hunt (fwd)

On Dec 16, Donald Blackburn wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

From: "Hunt4life.com Get Involved" <hunt4life@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:00:53 -0800
Reply-To: HuntersHeritage@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [HuntersHeritage] Seriously Ill Get Chance To Hunt

Friday December 15 2:37 PM ET 

Seriously Ill Get Chance To Hunt 

By JEFFREY BAIR, Associated Press Writer 

PITTSBURGH (AP) - The Make-A-Wish Foundation has granted thousands of
requests from children with life-threatening illnesses, sending
youngsters to Walt Disney World or introducing them to their favorite pop
stars. 

But there are some wishes the foundation won't grant. For the past year,
Make-A-Wish has refused to arrange hunting trips. 

That's where Hunt of a Lifetime has come in. 

The organization, formed to grant hunting requests no longer met by
Make-A-Wish, has arranged several trips, including a safari with rock 'n'
roll wild man and ardent hunter Ted Nugent. 

``Make-A-Wish just makes me want to puke my guts out,'' Nugent said.
``What could be more pure than the last wishes of a young child? And to
deny that because of political correctness? That's just outrageous.'' 

The Motor City Madman will travel to South Africa in July with Zachary
Martin, a 16-year-old from Yreka, Calif., with bone cancer. 

``Jeez, going hunting in Africa, and with Ted Nugent. It's been a dream
of mine to hunt with him ever since I started watching his shows,''
Zachary said. 

Nugent, the singer of ``Cat Scratch Fever,'' said he and the teen-ager
will go bowhunting for zebra, warthogs and impalas. 

``Let me tell you, when you go hunting with Ted Nugent, there is no Janet
Reno (news - web sites) around to stop you. There is nothing more
beautiful than that,'' Nugent said this week. 

Make-A-Wish has granted 83,000 wishes but put a stop to hunting outings,
said Jim Maggio, a spokesman for the charity. 

``It's a safety concern, basically with exposing the kids and other
participants to the potential for danger from a weapon being handled by
someone who is in a weakened state from a life-threatening disease,''
Maggio said. 

Animal rights groups had criticized hunting trips arranged by
Phoenix-based Make-A-Wish. 

``We see something ironic here,'' said Heidi Prescott, director of the
Fund for Animals. ``They're teaching a child to kill and cause another
living being to suffer at a time when that child, we would figure, would
be empathetic about the quality of life.'' 

Hunt of a Lifetime was founded by Tina Pattison, a bus driver from
suburban Erie, Pa., whose stepson, Matt, died last year during
chemotherapy for lymph node cancer. 

Before Matt's death, Pattison tried to raise money to send him hunting -
Make-A-Wish still allowed such trips but wouldn't help because he was too
old at 19. The people of the little town of Nordegg in Canada heard his
story and raised money for Matt to fly to a hunting camp by helicopter.
He shot a moose whose antlers were 41/2 feet across. 

Cash donations made at Matt's funeral were used to start Hunt of a
Lifetime, which mostly runs on contributions. 

``Some people said the money ought to go to Make-A-Wish, but I don't
think that's what Matt would have wanted because it forbids the very
thing he was all about - hunting,'' Pattison said. ``I don't want anyone
whose child is sick to have to go through the headaches I did.'' 

So far, five youths have hunted for free through arrangements made by
Hunt of a Lifetime. Comedian Jeff Foxworthy will take a 20-year-old
cancer patient from Delaware deer hunting early next year. 

Pattison said the Nebraska and North Carolina chapters of Make-A-Wish
agreed to refer young people to her. Nugent, Foxworthy and other hunting
guides donate their services. 

Christine Manning of Penn Run, Pa., said she watched Hunt of a Lifetime
work wonders for her 14-year-old son, Andrew, who had seven operations in
seven months this year and grew depressed with a disease that makes blood
vessels grow rapidly in his right thigh. Last month, Andrew shot a
700-pound bull elk. 

``He had been immobile on the couch, and you should have seen him shoot
down out of that tree,'' she said. ``He ran to the animal on pure
adrenaline, I guess.'' 

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On the Net: 

Hunt Of A Lifetime at http://www.huntofalifetime.org 

Ted Nugent at http://www.tednugent.com 
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Hunt4life.com:  http://www.hunt4life.com
Hunt4life.com Hunting Forums: http://pub32.ezboard.com/bhunt4life69085

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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
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     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!

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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 00 23:41:48 PST
From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Let's Get Clinton's School-to-Work (STW) Program Out Of Our Schools! (fwd)

On Dec 16, Archibald Bard wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

God Bless Phyllis Schlafly!
 
Archibald Bard
Pro Libertate - For Freedom
ICQ 83834746


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eagle Forum" <eagle@eagleforum.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 3:43 PM
Subject: Let's Get STW Out Of Our Schools!


>                 Let's Get STW Out Of Our Schools!
> 
> Eagle Forum has been working for years to bring an end to Clinton's
> School-to-Work, which passed in 1994. STW changes the mission
> and curriculum of the public schools to serve the workplace
> instead of the child. It replaces academic studies in math, science,
> English, and history with job training designed to meet the needs of
> the local business community. The mission of schools should be
> to teach children academics, not to apprentice them to menial
> jobs. 
> 
> 
> STW IS STILL A BAD IDEA! 
> STW is part of the Clinton plan to control our economy by controlling
> the schools. This was made clear in the infamous Marc Tucker "Dear
> Hillary" letter (full text available on Eagle Forum's web site). The
> name of the Education and the Workforce Committee indicates that
> the committee is designed to extend and expand Clinton's STW
> proposals instead of terminating and de-funding them. 
> 
> We believe education should be separate from workforce issue in
> order to reassure parents that congressional leaders understand the
> different functions of education issues and the labor-force concerns.
> We strongly support separating the Education and the Workforce
> Committee. Education should stand alone in its own committee,
> to ensure parents that their children are not being used merely to
> serve the workforce, as in the German model. 
> 
> 
> SUPPORT FOR STW IS ALIVE AND WELL! 
> Unfortunately a letter is now circulating on Capitol Hill by
> Congressman John Boehner which not only opposes the
> separation of the committee functions into Education and Workforce,
> but also indicates that he subscribes to the STW approach to
> education. In this letter he said, "Particularly in today's economy,
> it is simply impossible to consider workforce and education
> issues separately.The single biggest educational issue is
> preparing our children for the demands of the workforce." 
> 
> 
> ACTION ITEMS! 
> Select members of the Republican Conference (the Steering
> Committee) will soon meet to decide the jurisdiction of the
> committees. The Republican Leadership is planning to discuss
> splitting the Education and Workforce Committee this week! 
> 
> Contact the Steering Committee immediately and urge them to
> separate the Education and Workforce committee into two
> committees to assure parents that you intend to make a clean
> break with the mission and curriculum set forth in Clinton's School to
> Work Act of 1994. It is also urgent that we have a chairman of the
> Education Committee who is determined to return control to parents
> and local schools and stop Clinton's federalizing of school
> curriculum. Immediate action is essential! 
> 
> Steering Committee Members: 
>      All area codes are 202, unless otherwise indicated.
> 
>  Dennis Hastert: 225-0600          Dick Armey: 225-4000
> 
> Cass Ballenger: 225-2576            Joe Barton: 225-2002
> 
>         Roy Blunt: 225-6536     Sonny Callahan: 225-4931
> 
>       Ken Calvert: 225-1986           Dave Camp: 225-3561 
> 
>          Chris Cox: 225-5611      Barbara Cubin: 225-2311
> 
>          Tom Davis: 225-1492        Tom Latham: 225-5476
> 
>         John Linder: 225-4272      John McHugh: 225-4611
> 
>         Jerry Moran: 225-2715    Deborah Pryce: 225-2015
> 
>       Ralph Regula: 225-3876         Bob Stump: 225-4576
> 
>      John Sweeney: 225-5614        J. C. Watts: 225-5107
> 
>           Don Young: 225-5765
> 
> John Culberson: (New Member) 281-493-2960 - district office
> 
>          CAPITOL SWITCHBOARD:   202-224-3121 
> 
> 
> SENATE:  http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index_by_state.cfm
> 
> REPRESENTATIVES: http://www.house.gov/writerep/
> 
> Because of computer upgrades, the Congressional e-mail system
> may not be working. 
> 
> 
> Online version of this alert: 
> http://eagleforum.org/alert/00-12-12/ed-committee.shtml
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Eagle Forum http://www.eagleforum.org 
> PO Box 618 eagle@eagleforum.org 
> Alton, IL 62002 Phone: 618-462-5415 
> Fax: 618-462-8909 
> --------------------------------------------------------------- 
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> USE OUR FORM:
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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
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     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 00 00:40:03 PST
From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: TITANIC'S LAST MYSTERY REVEALED ! (fwd)

On Dec 17, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

............spiker@coollink.net writes:

 From: "Emma Shlarp" <Eshlarp@neo.rr.com>
 
  From the news Desk at YACE Freedom 91.9 FM
 Help spread the news!
 
 TITANIC'S LAST MYSTERY REVEALED !
 
 For years, the admiralty and maritime scholars have reviewed every 
 statistic regarding the late great ship.
 
 The simple facts were that the ship sailed with 2,214 men, women and 
 children aboard.  Of that number, 1,503 perished while only 711 survived.
 
 One of the last great mysteries was the previously unexplained fact that, 
 of the 711 survivors, 704 were registered Republicans.
 
 It has been only a theory for years, but recent events in Florida confirm 
 earlier suspicions: all Republicans aboard the Titanic were able to follow 
 the arrows to the life rafts.

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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
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     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 00 00:42:11 PST
From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [ALLY] A GOLD MINE OF PATRIOT INFORMATION (fwd)

On Dec 17, Archibald Bard wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

Archibald Bard
Pro Libertate - For Freedom
ICQ 83834746


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "American Patriot Friends Network" <apfn@apfn.org>
To: "APFN Egroup" <apfn@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 2:11 PM
Subject: [ALLY] A GOLD MINE OF PATRIOT INFORMATION


> All Work and No Pay
> by PAUL A. HEIN, M.D.
> http://mu.clarityconnect.net/~bhuston/government/Money:AllWorkNoPay.htm
> 
> The Missing 13th Amendment
> "TITLES OF NOBILITY" AND "HONOR"
> Date 08/01/91
> David Dodge, Researcher
> Alfred Adask, Editor 
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> 
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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
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     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 00 05:56:21 PST
From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: I Want To Sell Your Children - Gov't (fwd)

On Dec 18, Charles Nawrocki wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

SENT FYI///I do not know if this is true or not. maybe someone in Utah can 
find out./////////
>
>From: "jail4judges" <jail4judges@mindspring.com>
>To: "www.jail4judges.org" <jail4judges@mindspring.com>
>Subject: I Want To Sell Your Children - Gov't
>Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:55:43 -0800
>
>
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>
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>....
>
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>
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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
- ----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
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     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 00 15:20:35 PST
From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [SSN not Required] Fwd: [Lis-LEAF] US Customs Service enforcing a NEW LAW and other IRS  invasions of privacy on the way (fwd)

On Dec 18, Ray Iddings wrote:

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Forwarded for you information ...

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Subject: [Lis-LEAF] US Customs Service enforcing a NEW LAW and other IRS
invasions of privacy on the way
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 19:08:13 -0500
From: "Freedomlaw.com" freedomlaw@iquest.net

To: Learning Electronically About Freedom mailing service
[Lis-LEAF@egroups.com]

[NB:  All references herein can be researched in the Privacy pages
http://freedomlaw.com/Privacy.html and the Law Library
http://freedomlaw.com/sovernlb.htm. In addition to the magazines mentioned
hereinbelow, material for this message came from _The Financial Privacy
Report_, which has been referred to in past messages.  sRJ]

19 USC sec. 142(3)(a)(6) which went into effect April 1, 2000

Any merchandise imported from abroad by a person in the US must have listed
on the entry documents "the name, street address, and appropriate
identification number of that person" and Customs says that appropriate
identification number is, you guessed it, the Social Security or Federal Tax
ID number, to cross check for importing or shipping violations.

The Royal Canadian Mint Fall 2000 product catalog includes notice informing
US customers that they must supply their "tax identification number" with
any order and it has added a box for the number on its new order form.
Their notice also includes a phone number for the US Customs office in
Champlain, as well as the US Customs website address --
www.customs.ustreas.gov -- for customers seeking information on the
requirement. Royal Canadian Mint spokesman Pierre Morin assured _Coin World_
magazine, "This is strictly information we have to deliver to the US Customs
people" and that the "tax number" will not become part of a mailing address
label or other paperwork visible to those outside the nations' sundry
Customs agencies.

Of course, under separate US privacy protection law, no US agency may demand
a Social Security number except as it relates to tax and withholding
requirements -- though many exceptions are grandfathered in, and,
presumably, this doesn't trigger the restriction because the agency doing
the asking is a foreign entity.

So far, the requirement doesn't seem to have filtered down to private
Canadian firms selling coins to US customers via eBay, ads in publications
like Coin World, and so forth.  Additionally, 24-carat gold and pure silver
Maple Leafs -- RCM's most popular bullion products -- are still available
from US based wholesalers and retailers.

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In late October, one arm of the government gave permission to another arm of
the government to examine the accounts of thousands of US taxpayers who hold
credit cards, charge cards, and/or debit cards issued by banks in the
Bahamas, the Cayman Islands, Antigua, and Barbuda for the years 1998 and
1999.

The AP reports that a federal judge "agreed with the IRS that cardholders
may have violated US tax laws and that their identities are not readily
available from other sources."  According to the AP, this is one of the
largest investigations to target offshore accounts in the history of the
IRS.

Though the three targeted countries have strict banking-privacy laws (the
Caymans caved in to pressure from the Western tax cartel to overturn their
private-banking laws in favor of regulations designed to offer IRS and DEA a
"helpful transparency."  The credit card companies are headquartered in
Miami, over which IRS has jurisdiction.

In the past, similar situations have occurred wherein IRS has investigated
offshore activity by claiming jurisdiction over banks with branches in the
US.  [NOTE:  typically banks accounts must be opened before cards issue so
the point of this exercise is more than a lunch check; however, there are
ways of opening accounts with banks, trusts and, now, credit card companies
that don't have any presence in the US.]

"Conspiracy" is anything an overzealous and enterprising prosecutor says it
is and "criminal behavior" is the bureaucrats, and other would-be tyrants,
way of making a crime out of even the desire of an honest person to keep
his/her affairs private:

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is
the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough
criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it
becomes
impossible for men to live without breaking laws."  -- Ayn Rand, Atlas
Shrugged, Ch. III, "White Blackmail" And just look at the definition of
money laundering, "A process that  obscures the source or application of
money."

FPR editor Vin Suprynowicz says, "In earlier police states, forcing men to
drop their trousers in public was justified as "the best way to find the
circumcised Jews."  The next time someone tries to justify imposing fines of
30% of their receipts on legitimate forms simply for refusing to snitch on
their customers -- 98% of whom are completely law-abiding -- ask them if
they'd also like to examine your sex organs.  After all, who could object
... unless he had something to hide?"

BUT WAIT! There's more:  New regulations are emerging from IRS that will
have what looks to be a dire effect on offshore banks and brokers.

As of the first of the year, IRS is requiring all overseas financial
institutions that provide investment services in the US capital markets to
become "Qualified Intermediaries."  In order to so qualify, foreign banks
and brokers must fill out and file detailed IRS forms that identify any
client, whether a non-US or US resident, who invests in US securities. If a
foreign bank or broker refuses to participate in the Qualified Intermediary
program, it will have to pay a whopping 30% tax on the proceeds of the sale
of any US security.
Again, from FRP:  "So here we have a sort of Sophie's Choice.  Anyone who
holds an investment account with an offshore bank or broker, no matter if
he's a US citizen or not, has four options.  One, he has to put himself in
the IRS database (and, presumably, in the massive super-computer of FinCen,
the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network of the US Department of Treasury);
furthermore, if he already reports all foreign accounts on his annual tax
forms, he has to suffer a further invasion of his privacy, and if he doesn't
he has to incriminate himself.  Or two, to avoid the reporting requirements,
he has to face a 30% bite out of the sale of any investments in the US
markets.  Three, he has to sell his US investments before the regulations
take effect on January 1, 2001.  Or four, he has to look for a bank or
broker, somewhere, anywhere, around this shrinking world that not only
refuses to buy into the IRS blackmail, but also has the backing of its
sovereign government.

"The Treasury Department and IRS can get away with crap like this as long as
the stock market is going up, or not dropping too fast.  But what if massive
foreign sales of US securities start flooding into the markets in response
to this impost?   Might it precipitate a nosedive?"

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 00 15:32:36 PST
From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: NOT Danforth for Attorney General! (fwd)

On Dec 18, Donald Blackburn wrote:

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From: neal@nealknox.com (Neal Knox)
Subject: NOT Danforth for Attorney General!
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:37:39 EST

     Dec. 18 Neal Knox Report -- Former Sen. John Danforth's name
is being floated as Attorney General in the Bush Administration.

     SINK IT!

     Danforth was in charge of the Waco cover-up.  He ignored evidence
that FBI and ATF had lied and distorted the truth, but did nothing
to any of them.  The only one prosecuted was and is Bill Johnston,
who went overboard to prosecute the Branch Davidians, but committed
the unpardonable sin of criticizing his own agency -- pointing out
to Janet Reno that she had not been properly informed and that
at least some claims of the Waco nuts were based on fact.

     Remember, too, that Danforth, while Missouri Senator claimed
to be a solid defender of the right to keep and bear arms -- until
he announced his retirement, when he simultaneously blasted gun
owners and gun ownership.

     For George W. Bush to appoint Danforth as Attorney General
guarantees that Waco and Ruby Ridge will never be properly
investigated -- and odds are that it won't be no matter who is
appointed AG.  

    Even worse, his appointment would send a message to
Federal law enforcement that they can do whatever they wish to the
American citizens, without fear of retribution.

     I suggest you try getting the message to him and to Dick
Cheney at Advice@BushCheneyTransition.com, 703-610-6302 or
703-918-2913(fax)

Or <A HREF="http://www.bushcheneytransition.com/">
http://www.bushcheneytransition.com/</A>

Bush-Cheney Presidential Transition Foundation, Inc.
1616 Anderson Rd.
McLean, VA 22102

Or 
George W. Bush
Office of the Governor
P.O. Box 12428
Austin, Texas 78711-2428

Or
http://www.governor.state.tx.us/e-mail.html


     Make the subject line:  Don't Appoint Danforth Attorney General

    I can't swear that these addresses work (which I've picked up off
the buzz off the net) but he needs to hear from us -- which is why
I'm also using some of my own channels to get him the message.
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     Another name that's been circulating for various Bush posts in
Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge, whose appointment to anything --
particularly anything to do with law enforcement -- will bring
Pennsylvania gunowners off the wall.

     Last week two groups sued Gov. Ridge and the State Police
Commissioner for keeping records of gun purchases in direct
violation of Pennsylvania law.

     In their long-simmering suit Allegheny County Sportsmen's
League and the Lehigh Valley Firearms Coalition charge that the
state is maintaining a database of law abiding gun owners, despite
a 1997 law that specifically prohibits such record-keeping for more
than 72 hours.

     In an October 6 letter to a state representative whose help
ACSL enlisted, the police commissioner acknowledged that state
police have retained copies of firearms applications and sales
records since 1933, although they had no authority -- prior to 1995
- -- to keep them for more than six years.
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     State Presidential electors are voting in their state capitols
today, and I pray that none violate their oaths by failing to
support the candidates who won their states.

     Bush only won one more Elector than the required 271, and
fierce Democrat consultant and campaign advisor Bob Beckel
has been doing his best for weeks to break off at least three Electors.

     There probably won't be any "Faithless Electors," but I'll
sleep easier when those votes are officially cast.
      

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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
- ----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
- ----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!

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