From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #415 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Sunday, January 14 2001 Volume 02 : Number 415 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Jan 01 08:40:21 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: IRS Wants To Shut Down Pro-gun Internet Activities (fwd) On Jan 9, ASSETNJ@AOL.COM wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] To: Gun_Owners_of_America@mailmanager.net Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:46:44 -0500 Subject: IRS Wants To Shut Down Pro-gun Internet Activities From: Gun_Owners_of_America@mailmanager.net IRS Wants To Shut Down Pro-gun Internet Activities Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org January 8, 2001 The IRS has proposed some dangerous threats to free speech in their IRS Announcement 2000-84 (10/16/00). In a transparent effort to protect the incumbents in Congress, the Announcement would prohibit a link from the GOA web site to, for example, the Bush and the Gore sites so that you can see for yourself what their positions on firearms are during a campaign. Of course, GOA could do so if we subjected ourselves to the terms of the Speech Police at the Federal Election Commission. If GOA were to be treated as a political committee by the federal government, all of its members would have to be reported. That is obviously totally unacceptable. In an effort to deny funds for communications to members and the public, the Announcement would tax any proceeds from books and other products purchased at the GOA web site. If someone wants to further the work of GOA by purchasing things from GOA, why should the government put its greedy hands on that "income?" In other words, the IRS wants a Speech Tax. The announcement would also limit those with whom GOA could communicate. The IRS would determine who is a member and then say that only members can receive e-mail from GOA. Please communicate your displeasure with this Announcement by February 13, 2001. You can send your objections via postal mail to: Internal Revenue Service 1111 Constitution Avenue NW Washington DC 20224 Attn: Judith E. Kindell You can use the address: *TE/GE-Exempt-2@irs.gov to e-mail your objections. Please circulate this call for action to as many people as you can. The text of the Ammouncement is on pages 385-387 of the IRS bulletin at http://ftp.fedworld.gov/pub/irs-irbs/irb00-42.pdf (401 Kb, Adobe Acrobat required). If you wish, you can use the suggested language below and post or e-mail it. Internal Revenue Service Attn: Judith E. Kindell 1111 Constitution Avenue NW Washington DC 20224 Re: Announcement 2000-84 Dear Ms. Kindell, Please do not put these measures into effect. The government has no business regulating or taxing speech and the organizations involved in advocacy. I want to know what candidates say, and I want non-profit organizations to tell me how to find candidate web pages so I can see for myself what candidates are saying. I do not want to have to "join" an organization to receive e-mail from them. I don't want the IRS diluting the effectiveness of organizations I support by taxing the proceeds of their product sales. If I choose to support them in that way, I don't want you getting a cut. U.S. House of Representatives Majority Leader Dick Armey had it right: "The idea of turning the tax man into a Net cop would have a chilling effect on free speech on the internet." Sincerely, ************** Special! Become a GOA Life Member ($500) and receive one thousand dollars ($1000) in free world-class training! Front Sight Firearms Training Institute offers a two-day defensive handgun course, two-day tactical shotgun course, or a two-day practical rifle course PLUS a one-day submachine gun course where they provide the Uzis and all the ammo. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 01 08:42:16 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Million Mom March Launches StopAshcroft.com Internet,... (fwd) On Jan 9, ASSETNJ@AOL.COM wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: AOLNews@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 05:16:32 EST Subject: Million Mom March Launches StopAshcroft.com Internet,... Million Mom March Launches StopAshcroft.com Internet, Grassroots And Advertising Campaign. SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 9 /PRNewswire/ -- The Million Mom March is announcing a major advertising, Internet and grassroots campaign called StopAshcroft.com aimed at blocking the confirmation of Attorney General nominee Senator John Ashcroft.... For the full text of this story, click here. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 01 08:44:01 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: From another list (fwd) Perhaps the SS should start charging for their service..... On Jan 08, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Just in case your blood pressure wasn't up enough.... As you know, the Clinton's had to establish residence in New York for Hillary to run for the Senate. So they bought that big house-BUT there was no place for Secret Service which has statutory responsibility to protect the First Family. So, a special 'safe area' was built. NOW, the Clintons are charging them rent! Perfectly legal.......hmmmmmmmm. BUT...! It just happens that their rent is about the same amount as the Clintons' mortgage payment! In short, we taxpayers pay for the Secret Service addition, AND the Clinton's mortgage! Dang deal, eh? What will it take for the American public to wake up? Don't you just feel like you've been suckered again, fellow taxpayers? [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 01 10:41:45 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RE: INDIANAPOLIS BAPTIST TEMPLE OWES NO TAXES (fwd) On Jan 9, House, David Alan wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - -----Original Message----- From: Dave [mailto:dkuehne@erols.com] RonsGossip@aol.com wrote: > > Personally I commend the pastor for paying an illegal tax along with the rest > of us dummies! Sure the Bible say's pay Caesar, but I'm pretty sure it was > geared to mean a legal tax! Or does God okay illegal activities? > > RW They key here is to whom was Jesus speaking? He was speaking to the Pharisees when he said "render unto Caesar." When speaking to his disciples, He said something very different: "And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free." Matthew 17:24-26 And yet he paid the tribute, but by somewhat of a miracle. This is the best point of the whole morass, in my opinion. If we are expected to support monetarily the legally applied taxes then we most certainly would be wrong to pay those which are illegally applied. In fact we would indeed be assisting in the forces which are acting directly in opposition to that which we claim to support and which in times past have been identified as the foundation of our government. As there is no Constitutional foundation for that which is now in effect we are aiding the destruction of our founding documents and the freedom giving principles which they embody. If Washington and co. really had no idea what they were doing when they limited our government to operating funds from import tariffs lets abolish that part of it and make our tax system legal. As from the Constitution Party Platform... http://www.constitutionparty.com/ustp-99p1.html#taxes ...Article I, Section 8, gives Congress the power "to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States." In Article I, Section 9, the original document made clear that "no Capitation, or other direct Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census of Enumeration herein before directed to be taken." It is moreover established that "No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State." Since 1913, our Constitutional rights to life, liberty, and property have been abridged and diminished by the assumption of direct taxing authority on each of us by the federal government. We will propose legislation to abolish the Internal Revenue Service, and will veto any authorization, appropriation, or continuing resolution which contains any funding whatsoever for that illicit and unconstitutional agency. We are opposed to the flat-rate tax proposals that are being promoted as an improvement to the current tax system. The Sixteenth Amendment does not provide authority for an unapportioned direct tax. Moreover, it is our intention to replace entirely the current tax system of the U.S. government (including income taxes, Social Security taxes, estate taxes, and inheritance taxes). To the degree that tariffs on foreign products are insufficient to cover the legitimate Constitutional costs of the federal government, we will offer an apportioned "state-rate tax" in which the responsibility for covering the cost of unmet obligations will be divided among the several states in accordance with their proportion of the total population of the United States, excluding the District of Columbia. Thus, if a state contains 10 percent of the nation's citizens, it will be responsible for assuming payment of 10 percent of the annual deficit. The effect of this "state-rate tax" will be to encourage politicians to argue for less, rather than more, federal spending, and less state spending as well. We endorse ratification of the Liberty Amendment, which would repeal the Sixteenth Amendment. Further, it should be clear that for a professing Christian to protect and support such a system is an act entirely without merit and harmony with the heart of Christ. Such a Christian should be resolute in determining a method whereby such contribution will not be necessary and will at the same time avoid a damage to their witness. I am such a one who is prayerfully searching for the best method to disengage from this entirely despicable, anti-Constitutional, and un-Christian of activities. David House housed@indiana.edu [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 01 20:26:13 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: SRA - PETITION - Help Ashcroft Confirmation! (fwd) On Jan 09, Brad3000 wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FYI - Sign this and forward to everyone you know! Lets do this NOW! Brad / R-K-F-B-A ! - ------ Original Message -------- Subject: Help Ashcroft Confirmation! Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:12:37 -0800 From: "Daniel Cook" To: If you haven't already done so - please help President- elect George W. Bush by going to http://www.MillionsofAmericans.com/home/A394.cfm (formerly ElectionIntegrity2000) and signing your online petition to Senate leaders Trent Lott and Tom Daschle urging them to confirm John Ashcroft as Attorney General. **Daniel, use the personalized link at the bottom of this e-mal to avoid re-typing your name and address** As you know, President-elect Bush is taking a lot of heat for his cabinet nominees. Many Democrats are seeking to undermine his new administration any way possible. That's why we need to show the Senate leaders that the American people fully support George W. Bush and we urge prompt confirmation of the people chosen to serve as his closest advisors. So far, MillionsofAmericans.com has collected over 70,000 signed petitions in just 5 days. We need to double that number before confirmation hearings begin. No schedule is set for the hearings -- but they are expected to begin a few days before the January 20th Inauguration of George W. Bush. Remember, a good Attorney General is worth fighting for - so let's keep the pressure on our Senators to do the right thing and confirm John Ashcroft. You can help by going to MillionsofAmericans.com and signing your online petition. Thanks -- and PLEASE spread the word by forwarding this e-mail or telling a friend about MillionsofAmericans.com. For Integrity, Bruce Eberle PS: By the way, if you'd like to see John Ashcroft's bio and his record as U.S. Senator and Governor of Missouri - we've got more info posted on our site. ================================================= PERSONALIZED LINK TO ASHCROFT PETITION use this link to avoid retyping your e-mail address --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.millionsofamericans.com/home/A394.cfm?L=DC113366&P=K9ZD2J http://www.millionsofamericans.com/home/A394.cfm?L=DC113366&P=K9ZD2J - ------------------------------------------------------------ * Delete this personalized link and the opt-out section below before forwarding this e-mail * ================================================== - ------------------------------------------------------------- If you would like to unsubscribe from Millions of Americans e-mail updates or change your e-mail address, please visit our web site at: http://www.millionsofamericans.com/home/up.cfm?L=DC113366&P=K9ZD2J&A=391 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 01 16:32:42 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: California Power woes, an opportunity (fwd) On Jan 11, Jim Zoes wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] If the California Republicans have any smarts at all, they'll start beating the imcompetency drum against Grey and the democrats INCLUDING all their liberal, elitist, gungrabbing, extreme environmentalist friends. This is an excellent opportunity to highlight the failures of democrats in general, liberal democrats -- who tend to be both anti-power and anti-gun -- in particular. Conservatives have an opportunity to push recall votes of Perata and the rest of the gun grabbing gang by linking them to their votes and past positions on the so-called "deregulation" laws (which do no such thing). If we can't beat them at the polls over gun grabbing, lets beat them over the heads over energy policy. Anyway to get rid of them...just as long as they are gotten rid of. >From Yahoo: http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010111/n11557225.html Calif. set to shut off power for up to 2 mln (UPDATE: previous SAN FRANCISCO, adds byline, reworks throughout) By Nigel Hunt LOS ANGELES, Jan 11 (Reuters) - California power officials on Thursday said up to two million residents faced enforced blackouts as the most powerful winter storm in three years tipped the state's power grid into crisis. The California Independent System Operator (ISO), which runs most of the state's power grid, said the outages could last as long as four hours from 4 p.m. (7 p.m. Eastern) with northern California, including San Francisco and Silicon Valley, taking the brunt of the blackouts. Kellan Fluckiger, the ISO's chief operating officer, said the expected loss of 2,000 megawatts of power would impact around two million of the state's 34 million residents. Power cuts would rotate with customers losing power for one hour before the blackout moved to another group, he said. [snip] [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 01 18:43:04 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: A Bloody Nose for Petty Dictators (fwd) On Jan 11, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Some of you are gonna love this! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Neill" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: Fwd: A Bloody Nose for Petty Dictators > Wetlands. In my childhood, these were called swamps. That's where mosquitos > bred ... from from mosquitos, many interesting and varied diseases. > Wetlands, indeed. > Patty > > Forwarded: > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Them" > To: > Subject: A Bloody Nose for Petty Dictators > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:29:15 -0700 > > American Spectator Online www.spectator.org > January 10, 2001 > > Bovard's Batterings > > > A Bloody Nose for Petty Dictators > > by James Bovard > > Not all the wailing today in Washington is coming from > supporters of Linda Chavez. Much of it is being supplied > by environmentalists. The greens are traumatized that the > Supreme Court on Tuesday refused to allow the Army > Corps of Engineers and the EPA to have dictatorial power > over every mud puddle in the land. > > "Today the court takes an unfortunate step that needlessly > weakens our principal safeguard against toxic water," > Justice John Paul Stevens wrote for the four dissenters. > > Stevens'' whine epitomizes the liberal notion that the > slightest decrease in arbitrary government power will cast > the entire nation into purgatory. > > But the only purgatory here was that created by federal regulators. > > In 1972, Congress passed the Clean Water Act. Its > purpose, in part, was to reduce the pollution of navigable > waters. The Army Corps of Engineers received the power > to approve or deny permits to discharge dredged or fill > materials into navigable waters, and Congress gave the > EPA the power to veto Army Corps' permits. In 1975, a > federal judge decided that this provision also applied to > wetlands that were adjacent to navigable waters. > Subsequent regulatory and court decisions further > expanded federal power. Roughly 100 million acres of land > __ most of it privately owned __ thus fell under federal > jurisdiction. To claim that wetlands were navigable waters > made no sense, but few judges were willing to stand in > front of the regulatory juggernaut. > > Thanks to these contortions, federal agencies prosecuted > private citizens based on laws that had never been written, > on memos that had never been made public, and on > assumptions that could not stand the light of day. > > The Army Corps has long claimed jurisdiction even over > isolated wetlands that have no impact on the nation's > waterways. One of its justifications has been the "glancing > geese" test: If a migrating bird glances a wet spot below, > then that spot is automatically part of interstate commerce _ > _ because a hunter in some other state might subsequently > shoot the bird. Although the rule was never officially > announced as federal law, EPA officials applied the bird > rule in thousands of cases. EPA has repeatedly promised to > formally promulgate the regulation, but has never done so. > > Tuesday's case involved a consortium of Chicago_area > governments that wanted to convert some land into a > dump. Chief Justice Rehnquist ruled that "permitting the > [government] to claim federal jurisdiction over ponds and > mud flats would also result in a significant impingements > of the states' traditional and primary power over land and > water use."" > > The isolated wetlands provide little or no environmental > benefit. It is unlikely that the Supreme Court''s decision > will ignite a frenzy of building across the nation. Most of > the so_called isolated wetlands will continue in their > current state: and the ones that do perish will be no big loss. > > This ruling is being interpreted largely in federalist terms. > By trimming EPA and Army Corps prerogatives, however, > it is also a victory for property rights. Unfortunately, the > Supreme Court failed to take up earlier cases that offered > classic illustrations of the EPA and Army Corps trampling > individual land owners, such as the 1992 Hoffman Homes case. > > It is ironic to hear enviros wail over a decision that reduces > the power of the Army Corps of Engineers. To place the > Army Corps in charge of wetlands regs is like placing a > convicted child molester in charge of the government Child > Protection Services. The Corps is renowned for disrupting > the American landscape with an endless series of > "bulldozer full employment programs." > > While ready to drop the hammer on private developers, the > Army Corps destroys far more wetlands than any > corporation. A single project that the Corps is pushing in > Missouri will destroy 36,000 acres of wetlands __ which, as > the Washington Post noted in September, is "nearly twice > as many as all of America's developers were permitted to > touch last year." But government_destroyed wetlands are > not an environmental problem because government > supposedly acts in the public interest. > > The most telling phrase in the decision came from the > dissent. Stevens and his fellow fans of Leviathan > harrumphed that the majority was guilty of a "miserly > construction" of the Clean Water Act __ and that the court > owed more "deference" to federal regulators. > > To give unlimited deference to federal regulators means > creating an unlimited bias against citizens'' right to live > their own lives. "Miserly" is a strange term to use to > condemn a decision that slightly reduces the federal sway > over private citizens. The Founding Fathers created > safeguards to insure that the federal government had only a > miserly amount of power; some current Supreme Court > justices seem to believe that citizens deserve only a miserly > amount of freedom. Rather than serving as a bulwark to > defend the Bill of Rights, many justices seem to view their > jobs the same as did the ministers of King George III __ > doing whatever necessary to maintain the king''s > prerogatives. > > James Bovard is the author of "Feeling Your Pain": The > Explosion & Abuse of Government Power in the Clinton_ > Gore Years (St. Martin's Press). [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:48:37 -0600 (CST) From: Paul Watson Subject: Riady Admits Illegally Funding Clinton (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:45:23 -0700 From: American Patriot Friends Network To: APFN Egroup Subject: Riady Admits Illegally Funding Clinton Riady Admits Illegally Funding Clinton http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=3Dmb1075995 Friday, 12-Jan-01 01:16:37=20 24.14.28.77 writes:=20 Riady Admits Illegally Funding Clinton=20 NewsMax.com Friday, Jan. 12, 2001=20 Indonesian billionaire James Riady has agreed to pay a record $8.6 million criminal fine for illegally funding Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign, the Justice Department said Thursday night.=20 According to the Associated Press and other wire services: In a plea bargain filed in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles, Riady agreed to plead guilty to one felony count of conspiracy for concealing foreign contributions, which are illegal in the U.S. He will not face jail time.=20 The government's court filing said the goal of the contributions was to buy influence for Lippo Group and LippoBank.=20 Riady is to surrender and come to the U.S. at an unspecified future date =96 even though there is no extradition treaty between Indonesia and the United States. Fox News reported he was expected to fly from Indonesia to Los Angeles for a court appearance Tuesday.=20 An FBI summary released last year said Democrat fund-raiser John Huang, a Riady employee, reported that in 1992 Riady told Clinton during a limousine ride that he wanted to raise $1 million for his campaign. Huang pleaded guilty to a campaign financing felony and has been cooperating with the government since August 1999.=20 Last April, Clinton told federal investigators he did not have "a specific recollection of what the conversation was, or this fact of the car ride.'' He said all he could remember was seeing Riady "sometime in '92 after I became the nominee,'' and that Riady promised to help his campaign.=20 LippoBank California, a bank affiliated with Riady's Lippo Group, agreed to plead guilty to 86 misdemeanor accounts charging that its agents, Riady and Huang, made illegal foreign campaign contributions from 1988 through 1994. Riady also agreed to assist with the government's inquiry.=20 Riady is one of 26 people and two corporations so far charged by Justice's campaign finance task force, established four years ago. The Ray Connection A Justice Department official said that independent counsel Robert Ray, who is investigating Clinton on other matters, was consulted and indicated that the plea bargain was consistent with the interests of his investigation, which does not include campaign financing.=20 Ray's office has prosecuted former Justice official and Clinton friend Webster Hubbell, and has looked into whether payments to him, including $100,000 from Lippo Group after he resigned, were designed to keep him from testifying against Clinton or his wife, Hillary.=20 Read more on this subject in related Hot Topics: Clinton Scandals SOURCE: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/1/11/215311.shtml =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Justice Department investigation should target UT campus http://net.cs.utexas.edu/users/boyer/fp/texan-970317.html Justice Department investigation should target UT campus Clayton Vernon TEXAN COLUMNIST According to The New York Times, former UT System Regents Chairman Bernard Rapoport hired Webster Hubbell for a joint venture with the Riady family in Indonesia during the brief time before Hubbell's fede= ral imprisonment. This shocker should end naive beliefs that the cozy and profitable relationships between the individuals who ran this system = and Indonesian interests was above-board. Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr is investigating these and other enormous payments, totaling $400,000, to determine if they were "hush money" related in any way to Hubbell's decision to not cooperate with federal investigators. Appearances of impropriety include frequent visits to Hubbell in prison by the Clintons' close personal friends, to remind him the Clintons still "cared." - ----->The Lippo Group, an Indonesian conglomerate run by the Riadys, helped introduce since-disgraced fund-raiser John Huang to the Clinton administration, which later endorsed Rapoport's $2 billion Chinese real-estate project. Rapoport's public service to Texas served his private interests well. Clinton has claimed ignorance of these "indefensible" payments from his good friends and his best friend. We can no longer deny the coinciding of Rapoport's sudden interest in hiring Hubbell as his lawyer, and the large consulting compensation paid to UT System Chancellor William Cunningham by Jim Bob Moffett and Freeport-McMoRan -- a large and controversial corporate presence in Indonesia. We now expect the Justice Department's investigation to shift south, to the Democratic Leadership Council. This group was co-founded by Sen. John Breaux of Louisiana, who helped Moffett intimidate our faculty last year. This cozy relationship suggests our system administration lacks integrity. This sad possibility is supported by other events. Last year, we lost a "whistle-blower" lawsuit in which a plaintiff alleged the Universit= y deliberately undercollected royalties from oil and gas producers with ties to administrators. Now there are allegations of administrators being forced to contribute to the DNC. Students, faculty and staff are completely unaware of the alleged sle= azy machinations. Perhaps our traditional reliance on the Democratic Part= y's support of higher education has left us vulnerable to its recent indiscretions. Perhaps UT President Robert Berdahl had some of these consideration i= n mind when he accepted the chancellorship at Cal-Berkeley. Berdahl is = a man of principle, he may have felt totally out of place within the highest levels of the UT System. Vernon is a graduate student in economics. ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Waco and the Drug Mafia=20 As best as I can find it was Bernard Rapoport who sells all the life insurance to Teamsters Union members and is of course connected to the Chicago Mafia, Dan Rostenkowski, Hillary Clinton, Hubbell, Dan Lasater, Mochtar Riady, John Huang, the Chinese Communist and the whole Opium-China-CIA connection going back I guess to the Boxer rebellion. [snip] http://www.konformist.com/vault/wacodrug.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------- SEE WHO WACO.... http://www.apfn.org/apfn/whowaco.htm=20 Waco Newspage http://www.konformist.com/1999/waco99.htm Ex-Waco prosecutor wants charges dismissed http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=3Dmb1075995 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Med Alerts - MD & DE http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=3Dmb1075995 The Clintons Strike Again http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=3Dmb1075995 Secretary Miller files a lawsuit to protect Michigan residents' privacy.=20 http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=3Dmb1075995 EMERGENCY ALERT AT THE BAPTIST TEMPLE http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=3Dmb1075995 "I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I=20 can do something. And because I cannot do everything, I will=20 not refuse to do the something that I can do. What I can do,=20 I should do. And what I should do, by the grace of God,=20 I will do." - Edward Everett Hale http://www.apfn.org - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 01 11:22:30 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Vin: - the state religion (fwd) Looks like the goal of the enviro whackos is to remove all of the advantages to living elsewhere than in an easily controllable city environ, not to mention removal of all uncontrollable food supplies. Of course, it's only just becomming more obvious..... On Jan 14, Rich Martin wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz The state-established religion of Environmentalism The official October 1990 report "Sage Grouse Production and Mortality Studies," prepared as the final report of the Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Project W-48-R-21, Study XVII, Job 1, edited by San J. Stiver and prepared by Don Klebenow, Gary Zunino and others, demonstrated (by using chicken eggs ... Subject: Jan. 14 column -- the state religion FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED JAN. 14, 2001 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz The state-established religion of Environmentalism Bruce Wilkin is a Pioche native and 1958 Nevada high school graduate who came back to Ely to practice medicine in 1975. Like many long-time Nevadans, Wilkin remembers when the game herds were thick on the land those animals shared with Nevada's cattlemen. He's seen the campaign by government regulators to move the cattle off the land (Clark County retains only two of what were once 50 ranching families -- and the federals have been trying to run Cliven Bundy off his Mesquite allotment for eight years now) ... walling off human access to swatches of real estate the size of New England states under a brand of "environmental protection" that forbids cattle or sheep from grazing back the forage, which subsequently dries out and leads directly to our current wave of cataclysmic wildfires. Furthermore, Bruce Wilkin the country doctor has done the studies and can show the graphs proving it's not cattle that are responsible for these bigger and more destructive wildfires, or for the thinning of game species like the deer and the sage grouse. Dr. Wilkin's graphs (based on the state's own data) show Nevada's deer herd was healthiest precisely when the most cattle were run on the range -- from about 1948 to the early 1970s -- and then dropped precipitously when the poisoning of coyotes was halted during the Nixon and Ford administrations. Further, while government regulators claim ranchers and hunters are to blame for the thinning of the sage grouse, the good doctor hands me a copy of the 1990 study which he says the Nevada Department of Wildlife has "buried" ... precisely because it shows the problem is not the cattle, but the end of programs to control the now exploding populations of coyote, raven, and mountain lion. The official October 1990 report "Sage Grouse Production and Mortality Studies," prepared as the final report of the Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Project W-48-R-21, Study XVII, Job 1, edited by San J. Stiver and prepared by Don Klebenow, Gary Zunino and others, demonstrated (by using chicken eggs to set up mock sage grouse nests near typical raven habitat) that the decline in sage grouse populations can be entirely attributed to raven predation of the nests. "At the completion of the 15 day period, all 1,400 eggs were destroyed in both study areas," the report concluded. "On the Grassy Meadows Study Area in Surprise Valley, 84 percent of the nests were destroyed in the first three days. Ravens were believed to be the chief nest predator." The 1990 study only confirmed earlier studies such as that of researcher Warren Allred, who found that in Wyoming in 1942, "Eighty percent of all sage grouse nests were being destroyed by predators -- of which 23 percent were attributed to ravens and 14 percent to coyotes. It was found that even in areas completely protected from hunting, sage grouse were steadily declining." In fact -- here Dr. Wilkin agrees with such long-time Nevada ranchers as Cliven Bundy and Cliff Gardner -- the journals of the first white men to cross Nevada found it so bereft of game the Indians were reduced to eating insects, while the travelers often considered eating their pack animals to make it through. Thick herds of deer and flocks of game birds showed up only after ranchers moved in to improve the water features (clearing springs, building tanks and ponds); set their cattle to improving ground cover by cropping plants which evolved in an ecosystem dependent on large ungulates to clear room for new growth and to help the plants re-seed; and finally completed the equation by severely thinning out such predators as the coyote and the raven -- all now "protected" by muddle-headed "environmentalists." But because information like the Klebenow-Zunino report doesn't mesh with the current drive to force ranchers and hunters from the land in keeping with the new state-established religion of Environmentalism (which designates "untouched wilderness" as its cathedral), the 1990 study was "buried" by Willie Molini's state Department of Wildlife, Wilkin insists. Over dinner at the Prospector restaurant in the Ely Holiday Inn, Wilkin - -- glancing occasionally at his pager in case he should be called back to the ER -- hands me an invitation to the "Nevada Land Use Summit 2001," being put on by Assemblywoman Marcia de Braga and Sen. Dean Rhoads in Carson City Feb. 23 and 24 (call 775-883-7863), which intends to focus on the interrelated issues of noxious weeds, wildland fires, and Nevada's sagging sage grouse population. Wilkin points out a section on page 2, underlined by the organizers: "There have been questions about distributing materials other than those provided by the 2001 Summit. We respectfully request (that) NO outside materials be brought in by any individual or group for distribution." This is so the state wildlife bureaucrats can make sure no one presents copies of studies -- even their own studies -- which contradict the current myths about hunters and ranchers, Dr. Wilkin says. I called both Assemblywoman De Braga and Sen. Rhoads -- both of whom are in the ranching business -- to ask about that. Both denied it was their intention to ban any such relevant material. I asked if Dr. Wilkin or Cliven Bundy or Cliff Gardner has been asked to address the meeting. Ms. De Braga said there "are no specific invitations, we're not going to have many actual speakers." (Actually, two hours are set aside Friday morning for a motivational talk by "renowned facilitator" Susan Carpenter, on the topic, "How to Get to Yes.") "But certainly anyone is welcome to attend." Cliff Gardner says he has no intention of showing up where he's not wanted. "They don't want Cliff Gardner and his stuff; they don't want the truth. What do you suppose that 'no outside materials' rule is all about? I've got more scientific evidence about what's happened to the sage grouse than anyone else in this state, but do you think Cliff Gardner is welcome there? All it is a PR event for the (Department of Wildlife) bureaucrats." NEXT TIME: BAGS FULL OF TORTOISE SHELLS Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. His book, "Send in the Waco Killers" is available at 1-800-244-2224. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com "When great changes occur in history, when great principles are involved, as a rule the majority are wrong. The minority are right." -- Eugene V. Debs (1855-1926) "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed - - - and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. 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