From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #433 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Wednesday, March 7 2001 Volume 02 : Number 433 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:24:23 -0800 (PST) From: wbg Subject: Re: WHEN THE BATF COMES A-CALLIN' (fwd) Bill, go back and take another look at the body of text you forwarded - about every other paragraph the words just stop in mid-line - what gives? Brewster - -- *********************************************************************** "Corruptissimae republicae, plurimae leges." Tacitus W. Brewster Gillett wbg@hevanet.com Portland, Oregon USA *********************************************************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 01 20:23:57 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: WHEN THE BATF COMES A-CALLIN' (fwd) Some folks don't know the difference between word wrapping and margins. Elm just breaks up the lines and displays them, so sometimes it slips by me. Sorry 'bout that. On Mar 4, wbg wrote: >Bill, go back and take another look at the body of text you >forwarded - about every other paragraph the words just stop >in mid-line - what gives? > >Brewster >-- >*********************************************************************** > "Corruptissimae republicae, plurimae leges." Tacitus > >W. Brewster Gillett wbg@hevanet.com Portland, Oregon USA >*********************************************************************** - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 01 21:36:54 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Britain, Australia top U.S.in violent crime (fwd) On Mar 4, Rich Martin wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] It seems the experience of the state's with the toughest gun cotrol laws (NYC & DC) are shared on a natl scale in countries like Australia and England. Think anyone in congress will notice? Rich Martin Editor of Slick ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ FRIDAY MARCH 2 2001 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID3D21902 Britain, Australia top U.S.in violent crime Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures By Jon Dougherty 2001 WorldNetDaily.com Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the United States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new international study says that America's former master -- Great Britain -- has much higher levels of crime. The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized. The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime. Jack Straw, the British home secretary, admitted that "levels of victimization are higher than in most comparable countries for most categories of crime." Highlights of the study indicated that: The percentage of the population that suffered "contact crime" in England and Wales was 3.6 percent, compared with 1.9 percent in the United States and 0.4 percent in Japan. Burglary rates in England and Wales were also among the highest recorded. Australia (3.9 percent) and Denmark (3.1 per cent) had higher rates of burglary with entry than England and Wales (2.8 percent). In the U.S., the rate was 2.6 percent, according to 1995 figures; "After Australia and England and Wales, the highest prevalence of crime was in Holland (25 percent), Sweden (25 percent) and Canada (24 percent). The United States, despite its high murder rate, was among the middle ranking countries with a 21 percent victimization rate," the London Telegraph said. England and Wales also led in automobile thefts. More than 2.5 percent of the population had been victimized by car theft, followed by 2.1 percent in Australia and 1.9 percent in France. Again, the U.S. was not listed among the "top 10" nations. The study found that Australia led in burglary rates, with nearly 4 percent of the population having been victimized by a burglary. Denmark was second with 3.1 percent; the U.S. was listed eighth at about 1.8 percent. Interestingly, the study found that one of the lowest victimization rates - just 15 percent overall -- occurred in Northern Ireland, home of the Irish Republican Army and scene of years of terrorist violence. Analysts in the U.S. were quick to point out that all of the other industrialized nations included in the survey had stringent gun-control laws, but were overall much more violent than the U.S. Indeed, information on Handgun Control's Center to Prevent Handgun Violence website actually praises Australia and attempts to portray Australia as a much safer country following strict gun-control measures passed by lawmakers in 1996. "The next time a credulous friend or acquaintance tells you that Australia actually suffered more crime when they got tougher on guns ... offer him a Foster's, and tell him the facts," the CPHV site says. "In 1998, the rate at which firearms were used in murder, attempted murder, assault, sexual assault and armed robbery went down. In that year, the last for which statistics are available, the number of murders involving a firearm declined to its lowest point in four years," says CPHV. However, the International Crime Victims Survey notes that overall crime victimization Down Under rose from 27.8 percent of the population in 1988, to 28.6 percent in 1991 to over 30 percent in 1999. Advocates of less gun control in the U.S. say the drop in gun murder rates was more than offset by the overall victimization increase. Also, they note that Australia leads the ICVS report in three of four categories -- burglary (3.9 percent of the population), violent crime (4.1 percent) and overall victimization (about 31 percent). Australia is second to England in auto theft (2.1 percent). In March 2000, WorldNetDaily reported that since Australia's widespread gun ban, violent crime had increased in the country. WND reported that, although lawmakers responsible for passing the ban promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a different story: Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Assaults are up 8.6 percent. Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent. In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent. In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily. There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly. by Gordon Prather The United States didn't even make the 'top 10' list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 01 21:17:39 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Congress begs gun owners to "call off the dogs" (fwd) On Mar 05, dkuehne@erols.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Congress is on it's knees begging, "please make the phone calls stop." I'm ROARING WITH LAUGHTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - --- forwarded message --- TIME TO GIVE YOURSELVES A PAT ON THE BACK! -- Almost 90 Reps. sign Hostettler letter Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org (Monday, March 5, 2001) -- Thanks to your very hard efforts, 89 Representatives joined Rep. John Hostettler (R-IN) in petitioning HUD Secretary Mel Martinez to eradicate part of Bill Clinton's anti-gun legacy. The Department of HUD is spearheading the Communities for Safer Guns Coalition, a group that is helping cities and localities all around the country in bringing lawsuits against gun makers. Grassroots pressure encouraged 89 other Representatives to sign onto the Hostettler letter which asks Secretary Martinez to pull the plug on the anti-gun coalition. Your phone calls were so incessant that a few Congressional offices even called GOA headquarters, as well as Hostettler's office, to ask that we "call off the dogs." Their beleaguered cry was to please make the phone calls stop. Well, now that the deadline for jumping on the letter has passed, you guys merit a well-deserved pat on the back. Following is the list of those who signed onto the letter -- some of them kicking and screaming the entire way: Akin (MO) Green (TX) Pence (IN) Baker (LA) Hall (TX) Peterson (MN) Bartlett (MD) Hansen (UT) Petri (WI) Brady (TX) Hart (PA) Phelps (IL) Brown (SC) Hastings (WA) Pombo (CA) Burr (NC) Hayes (NC) Putnam (FL) Buyer (IN) Hayworth (AZ) Rehberg (MT) Callahan (AL) Hilleary (TN) Reynolds (NY) Calvert (CA) Hoekstra (MI) Riley (AL) Camp (MI) Hostettler (IN) Rohrabacher (CA) Cannon (UT) Hulshof (MO) Ryan (WI) Cantor (VA) Hutchinson (AR) Ryun (KS) Chambliss (GA) Istook (OK) Sandlin (TX) Coble (NC) Jenkins (TN) Schaffer (CO) Combest (TX) Johnson, S. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 01 09:52:05 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: URGENT: GUN CONTROL POLL (fwd) On Mar 6, Archibald Bard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] U.S. President George W. Bush says Monday's high school shooting was caused by a lack of moral education, not a lack of gun control. Which would help more? Moral education Gun control Current Results: Moral 49 percent Gun Control 63 percent GO TO: http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/RTGAMArticleHTMLTemplate/D,C,C/20010305/wnapp?tf=RT/fullstory.html&cf=RT/config-neutral&slug=wnapp&date=20010305&archive=RTGAM&site=Front Archibald Bard Pro Libertate - For Freedom Keep And Bear Arms http://www.keepandbeararms.com INFOWARS.com, a Presentation of the Energetic Alex Jones http://www.infowars.com/index.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 01 10:14:07 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Predictable but Pointless (fwd) On Mar 6, Kevin M. McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Submitted to my local newspaper, 6 March 2001 Kevin M. McGehee Coweta County, Georgia mcgehee@charter.net http://www.McGeheeZone.com/ The 198,443rd Most Popular Website in the World - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin M. McGehee" To: "Times-Herald Letters" Sent: Tuesday, 06 March, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: Predictable but Pointless The day after the shootings at Santana High School in Santee, Calif., a local store clerk told me she supports all the proposed new gun laws that ordinarily surface in the wake of such tragedies. I allowed as how I didn't like the idea of law-abiding citizens being treated like potential criminals, to which the clerk replied that there's no way to know who's going to turn out to be a criminal. She is, of course, correct -- but how that justifies placing everyone in America under suspicion for crimes not yet committed (and which may never be), I just don't understand. Sadly, proposals for new gun laws aren't the only predictable response to monstrous acts like what happened in Santee. The same morning of the conversation described above, I saw a Fox News Channel host interviewing a psychiatrist about the fact the shooter had spoken of shooting people at the school previously, but that no one had taken him seriously. The psychiatrist's position was that every such mention has to be taken seriously and investigated. Another way of putting this is, Zero Tolerance. Remember the Tweety Bird keychain? That incident prompted some metro wag to say, "Zero tolerance equals zero intelligence." Many kids -- and unfortunately many adults -- say things they don't mean. Talking trash is probably the most nearly universal pasttime in America today, short of breathing. Maybe one person in a million actually tries to carry out such talk. So are we supposed to drag a million trash-talking kids into counseling to catch one kid who might mean it? On the one hand, it would (one hopes) ensure the safety of other kids. On the other, it would cause our kids to be brought up in a police state. At least it would provide more salient preparation for college than most anything else they get in high school these days... It's hard to tell people whose children have been subjected firsthand to horrors like Columbine and Santee that their desire to ensure their children's future safety may be out of proportion to the risk. Such parents are uninterested in statistics that demonstrate that, modern instantaneous news coverage to the contrary notwithstanding, school violence is far less common than when they were in school. Sensitivity toward those families is one thing, but misportraying reality to the general public is something else entirely. We know that certain politicians will callously exploit every tragedy to advance their agenda at the expense of the fundamental liberties of people who have never done anything wrong and never will. We also know that certain news outlets -- national news networks and major metropolitan newspapers, for example -- will cheerfully play along with those politicians. Excessive action, whether in legislation or by administrative fiat, will never prevent the criminally reckless from wreaking havoc. The criminally inclined will tend to find a way, and as for the stupid, there's an old saying: "There's no such thing as a foolproof plan, because fools are so ingenious." Once we've all become permanent suspects for crimes we'll never commit, and it becomes apparent that violent acts are still happening, what will be next? Despite what politicians and the media may say, freedom is not the problem, and abridging freedom is not the solution. Kevin M. McGehee Newnan, GA 30265 mcgehee@charter.net [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:32:24 -0800 (PST) From: Harry Barnett Subject: Re: Predictable but Pointless (fwd) "The sky is falling crowd" now greatly outnumbers reasoned wisdom. There is an example of wisdom imparted by an 18YO High School Senior which I have never heard publicized anywhere, in any form, other than the actual live broadcast I heard it on the day after the Columbine shootings. A PBS "roving reporter" was going around sticking a mike in kids' faces asking the kids, "What lesson can we learn from Columbine?" Anybody that parrotted the PC line, "We need more gun control!" got at least a minute or two to expound on their opinion. PBS stuck the mike on front of this 18YO, and he answered, "That's easy. Don't treat people like shit and they won't want to kill you." The mike was yanked off the kid, and he never got to say anything else on the air. This was a profound piece of wisdom and advice that PBS obviously didn't want broadcast any further. And the print Media, of course, has never breathed a word about such a lesson. It's quite obvious that the people at Santee didn't learn that lesson. - --Harry Barnett On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Bill Vance wrote: > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 01 10:14:07 PST > From: Bill Vance > Reply-To: roc@lists.xmission.com > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Predictable but Pointless (fwd) > > On Mar 6, Kevin M. McGehee wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > > Submitted to my local newspaper, 6 March 2001 > > Kevin M. McGehee > Coweta County, Georgia > mcgehee@charter.net > http://www.McGeheeZone.com/ > The 198,443rd Most Popular Website in the World > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin M. McGehee" > To: "Times-Herald Letters" > Sent: Tuesday, 06 March, 2001 12:40 PM > Subject: Predictable but Pointless > > > The day after the shootings at Santana High School in Santee, Calif., a local > store clerk told me she supports all the proposed new gun laws that ordinarily > surface in the wake of such tragedies. > > I allowed as how I didn't like the idea of law-abiding citizens being treated > like potential criminals, to which the clerk replied that there's no way to know > who's going to turn out to be a criminal. She is, of course, correct -- but how > that justifies placing everyone in America under suspicion for crimes not yet > committed (and which may never be), I just don't understand. > > Sadly, proposals for new gun laws aren't the only predictable response to > monstrous acts like what happened in Santee. The same morning of the > conversation described above, I saw a Fox News Channel host interviewing a > psychiatrist about the fact the shooter had spoken of shooting people at the > school previously, but that no one had taken him seriously. The psychiatrist's > position was that every such mention has to be taken seriously and investigated. > Another way of putting this is, Zero Tolerance. Remember the Tweety Bird > keychain? That incident prompted some metro wag to say, "Zero tolerance equals > zero intelligence." > > Many kids -- and unfortunately many adults -- say things they don't mean. > Talking trash is probably the most nearly universal pasttime in America today, > short of breathing. Maybe one person in a million actually tries to carry out > such talk. So are we supposed to drag a million trash-talking kids into > counseling to catch one kid who might mean it? On the one hand, it would (one > hopes) ensure the safety of other kids. On the other, it would cause our kids to > be brought up in a police state. > > At least it would provide more salient preparation for college than most > anything else they get in high school these days... > > It's hard to tell people whose children have been subjected firsthand to horrors > like Columbine and Santee that their desire to ensure their children's future > safety may be out of proportion to the risk. Such parents are uninterested in > statistics that demonstrate that, modern instantaneous news coverage to the > contrary notwithstanding, school violence is far less common than when they were > in school. > > Sensitivity toward those families is one thing, but misportraying reality to the > general public is something else entirely. We know that certain politicians will > callously exploit every tragedy to advance their agenda at the expense of the > fundamental liberties of people who have never done anything wrong and never > will. We also know that certain news outlets -- national news networks and major > metropolitan newspapers, for example -- will cheerfully play along with those > politicians. > > Excessive action, whether in legislation or by administrative fiat, will never > prevent the criminally reckless from wreaking havoc. The criminally inclined > will tend to find a way, and as for the stupid, there's an old saying: "There's > no such thing as a foolproof plan, because fools are so ingenious." Once we've > all become permanent suspects for crimes we'll never commit, and it becomes > apparent that violent acts are still happening, what will be next? > > Despite what politicians and the media may say, freedom is not the problem, and > abridging freedom is not the solution. > > Kevin M. McGehee > Newnan, GA 30265 > mcgehee@charter.net > > [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 01 19:15:48 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Incumbent Protection Bill Threatens GOA's Existence (fwd) On Mar 6, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:00 PM Subject: Incumbent Protection Bill Threatens GOA's Existence > McCain Incumbent Protection Bill Threatens Gun Owners > -- Bill to keep gun owners in the dark, endanger existence of GOA > > Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert > 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 > Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 > http://www.gunowners.org > > > (Tuesday, March 6, 2001) -- Irked by nettlesome groups such as GOA > which threaten to expose their anti-gun activities, Arizona Senator > John McCain (R) and Wisconsin Democrat Senator Russ Feingold (D) are > pushing legislation which would eliminate the ability of groups like > GOA to keep gun owners informed on how their legislators are voting. > > In the name of reforming campaign finance laws, this Incumbent > Protection legislation would allow the government to seize the > membership lists of groups such as ours -- and potentially outlaw > our organization. The issue is scheduled to come before the Senate > between March 19th and 26th. > > The Incumbent Protection bill, S. 27, would require legislative > advocacy groups -- including Second Amendment organizations such as > GOA -- to report to the government if they spend more than $10,000 > preparing for and participating in TV and radio broadcasts which > mention officeholder-candidates within two months of an election. > If they wished, government bureaucrats could define virtually all of > an organization's activities as "preparation" for TV and radio > interviews. > > With GOA employees regularly appearing on TV shows such as Fox News, > Crossfire, and other programs to discuss gun-related legislation, > there can be little doubt that S. 27 would apply to this > organization. If it did, GOA would be required to provide the > government with its donor list. For the time being, this disclosure > would be limited to contributors of $1,000 or more, but no one > should assume this threshold would not be reduced or eliminated once > the government's foot was in our membership door. > > It goes without saying that an activist who sends a check to GOA to > help protect his Second Amendment rights doesn't want his name being > registered with the government as a gun owner. And for that reason, > GOA will fight this bill "tooth and nail." And if this bill were to > become law, GOA would not comply. We would fight it in court, and > exhaust every possible resource, because we are not going to turn > over our members' names to the government. > > This underscores why it is SO VERY IMPORTANT that we defeat this > bill in the Congress! GOA would rather spend its members' dollars > defending 2nd Amendment freedoms, as opposed to spending hundreds of > thousands of dollars fighting 1st Amendment battles in court. > > Finally, because the Incumbent Protection bill would define > GOA's battles against anti-gun legislation as "electioneering" if > they occurred during election season, these legislative activities > could affect our tax-exempt status -- and ultimately, our existence. > Urge your Senators to keep their distance from John McCain and Russ > Feingold, and to respect the free speech rights of all Americans. > > > ACTION: > > 1. Please call, fax or email your two Senators and ask them to > filibuster and vote against the anti-gun McCain-Feingold bill, > S. 27. You can call the Senate at 202-224-3121, or toll-free at > 1-877-762-8762. See the GOA Legislative Action Center at > http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm for complete Senate contact > information, and to send pre-written messages. > > 2. Forward this alert to as many gun owners as possible and ask > them to contact their Senators in opposition to S. 27. > > > ----- Pre-written message ----- > > Dear Senator: > > The anti-gun McCain-Feingold bill, S. 27, threatens to open the > membership lists of Second Amendment organizations -- and even > threaten their tax-exempt status. I urge you to oppose any bill > that would limit the ability of outside groups such as Gun Owners of > America to communicate with their members. > > I rely on groups like GOA to keep me informed when my rights are > being threatened. I would consider a law to muzzle such groups as > an attempt to avoid the accountability that an informed electorate > provides. > > Please filibuster and vote against this anti-gun and anti-speech > abomination. Let me know what you intend to do. Thank you. > > Sincerely, > > > ************** > Do not reply directly to this message. > > To subscribe to free, low-volume GOA alerts, go to > http://www.gunowners.org/ean.htm on the web. Change of e-mail > address may also be made at that location. > > To unsubscribe send a message to gunowners_members@mailmanager.net > with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > > Problems, questions or comments? The main GOA e-mail address > goamail@gunowners.org is at your disposal. Please do not add that > address to distribution lists sending more than ten messages per > week or lists associated with issues other than gun rights. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 01 08:57:40 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: SRA - More Gun Control? ABOUT.COM Poll. (fwd) On Mar 07, Brad3000 wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FYI - Go vote ! Today's poll: Does the United States need stricter gun control laws? http://today.about.com/blpoll.htm Brad (thx Byron) [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 01 13:16:15 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: WHAT THE COMMIE 'FOOL' SYSTEM DOESN'T TEACH YOUR KID (fwd) On Mar 7, Archibald Bard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] [ Please forward this Post far and wide! 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Video - 59 min. http://www.dxmarket.com/worldnetdaily/products/V0020.html I don't receive any compensation for touting this Video! Archibald Bard Pro Libertate - For Freedom ICQ 83834746 Keep And Bear Arms http://www.keepandbeararms.com In the immortal words of Yeshua the Messiah (most call Him Jesus) "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that you might have life, and that you might have it more abundantly." - -- St. John 10:10. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 01 15:15:32 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: SRA - Peoples Poll: Please Vote! (fwd) On Mar 07, Brad3000 wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FYI Go to http://www.peoples-poll.com/ As yet another teen goes berserk with his father's handgun, is it about time that the right to bear arms was radically reviewed? Yes 46 No 36 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 01 17:44:42 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: InSane Diego Gun Poll (fwd) On Mar 7, C. D. Tavares wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] There are going to be a lot of unhappy journalists in San Diego tomorrow. Help make them even unhappier. >Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 22:45:11 -0700 >From: Richard DeStephens >Subject: InSane Diego Gun Poll >Reply-to: Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Arizona > >http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/sand/news/stories/news-52409720010305-110346.html > >So far, "Arm the Teachers" is winning > >Choice > Votes > Percent of 2298 votes > Metal detectors at school > 532 > 23.2 % > Ban firearms in the U.S. > 299 > 13.0 % > More security guards > 82 > 3.6 % > Arm the teachers > 982 > 42.7 % > Psychological testing > 134 > 5.8 % > Nothing. Just hope for the best > 268 > 11.7 % > - -- Tavares@alum.mit.edu | http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares | RKBA! The philosophy of gun control: Teenagers are roaring through town at 90 MPH, where the speed limit is 25. Your solution is to lower the speed limit to 20. - --SAM COHEN If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain that you will create a despotic government to be your master. The wise despot, therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they are helpless and ineffectual. - --FRANK HERBERT [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #433 *************************