From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #438 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Sunday, April 29 2001 Volume 02 : Number 438 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:31:32 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: Videos (fwd) - ----- Forwarded message from slk@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- From: Charles Nawrocki Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:57:39 -0500 Subject: {slick-d} Fwd: Videos Sent for information only./////////// >From: Ken Townsend >To: 'Ken's Info List' >Subject: Videos >Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:51:06 -0500 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) > >For people looking for patriot videos. > >http://www.sweetliberty.org/resources/suppressedvids.htm > >Ken Townsend >Ktownsend@eprod.com - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:34:05 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: One From One Leaves Two (fwd) - ----- Forwarded message from slk@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- From: Steve Moser Subject: {SD-2} One From One Leaves Two Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:25:09 -0500 One From One Leaves Two by Ogden Nash (1935) Higgledy piggledy, my black hen, She lays eggs for gentlemen. Gentlemen come every day To count what my black hen doth lay. If perchance she lays too many, They fine my hen a pretty penny; If perchance she fails to lay, The gentlemen a bonus pay. Mumbledy pumbledy, my red cow, She's cooperating now. At first she didn't understand That milk production must be planned; She didn't understand at first She either had to plan or burst, But now the government reports She's giving pints instead of quarts. Fiddle de dee, my next-door neighbors, They are giggling at their labors. First they plant the tiny seed, Then they water, then they weed, Then they hoe and prune and lop, Then they raise a record crop, Then they laugh their sides asunder, And plow the whole caboodle under. Abracadabra, thus we learn The more you create, the less you earn. The less you earn, the more you're given, The less you lead, the more you're driven, The more destroyed, the more they feed, The more you pay, the more they need, The more you earn, the less you keep, And now I lay me down to sleep. I pray the Lord my soul to take If the tax-collector hasn't got it before I wake. - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:39:42 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: [slk@xpresso.seaslug.org: Vote on Constitutional Amendment! (fwd)] - ----- Forwarded message from slk@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- From: Swftl@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:22:57 EDT Subject: {slick-d} vote on Constitutional Amendment! Subj: Vote on Constitutional Amendment Date: 04/24/2001 9:42:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: arthur.livermore@alumni.reed.edu (Arthur Livermore) Sender: owner-drctalk@drcnet.org Reply-to: arthur.livermore@alumni.reed.edu To: drctalk@drcnet.org (DRCTalk Reformers' Forum) April 24, 2001 Dear liberty activist, The U.S. House will vote tomorrow (Wednesday, 4/25/01) on an amendment to the Constitution that would require a 2/3 majority in the House and Senate in order to increase federal taxes. The bill is H. J. Res. 41. It has 139 cosponsors. The vote will occur in the late morning or early afternoon. You can urge your U.S. representative to vote in favor of H. J. Res. 41 by sending an E-mail message to him or calling his office. To send an E-mail message, go to http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/alert/?alertid=27222type=CO . To learn the name and telephone number of your representative, go to http://capwiz.com/liberty/dbq/officials/ or call the U.S. Capitol switchboard at 202-224-3121. - ----- End forwarded message ---------- End forwarded message ----- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:11:17 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: NJ: Gun Law Crisis That Can COST YOU YOUR HOME! (fwd) - ----- Forwarded message from fap@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- Subject: NJ: Gun Law Crisis That Can COST YOU YOUR HOME! (fwd) To: roc@xpresso.com (Bill Vance), 4-19@xpresso.com (Bill Vance), ocs@xpresso.com (Bill Vance), rap@xpresso.com (Bill Vance), slk@xpresso.com (Bill Vance) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:08:25 -0700 (PDT) From: fap@xpresso.seaslug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:29:14 -0400 From: Brad3000 Subject: SRA - NJ: Gun Law Crisis That Can COST YOU YOUR HOME! FYI - Just a taste of our NJ gunlaws in action... (thx GONJ) Gormley's Revenge: Be charged with possession of an "Assault Firearm" in New Jersey and get kicked out of your home for 2 years. By Evan F. Nappen, Esq. Gun owners who suffer under the Florio/Gormley supported "Assault Firearm" ban are now being kicked out of their homes and businesses under the newest Gormley sponsored law. This law is entitled the "Drug Offender Restraining Order Act of 1999," (DOROA) and can be found at N.J.S. 2C:35-5.7. Aggressive implementation of this law has now begun. All a law abiding gun owner needs to do is be charged with possession of a so-called "Assault Firearm" and the gun law victim is automatically kicked out of his/her residence and/or business by way of a restraining order which lasts for a minimum of 2 years. It does not matter one bit that drugs were not involved. The municipal court judges have been instructed to routinely issue these DOROAS. These restraining orders are issued ex parte (without any input by the defendant or his attorney). After the issuance of a DOROA which normally accompanies the criminal complaint, there is no hearing scheduled on the DOROA. As passed, the law is void of any due process for the defendant. Just last week, I had one of these DOROAS come up in Monmouth County. My client was charged with possession of "Assault Firearm's" which are not "Assault Firearms" (Mini-14 and Ruger 10/22). I immediately went back to the municipal court judge who issued the DOROA to try to persuade the judge to vacate the order. There is a section in the law that claims that the DOROA should not be issued to remove a person from their residence unless the judge is clearly convinced that there is a need to bar the defendant in order to protect the public safety. The municipal court judge informed me that although he issued the DOROA and was sympathetic to my client's predicament, he no longer retained the jurisdiction to make any modifications to it. This is in spite of the fact that he was the court of origin for the DOROA. The judge of the municipal court claimed that as soon as he signed the DOROA kicking the defendant out of his home, he no longer retains jurisdiction and that the Superior Court now has jurisdiction. Since there is no procedure in the DOROA law for challenging this restraining order or even affording the victim of the DOROA a hearing, my client was presented with a situation in which he had no opportunity to be heard on challenging the restraining order's issuance. I therefore created and filed emergency papers with the Superior Court to try to get my client back in his home. Fortunately, the Monmouth County Superior Court and the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office took the appropriate action, which was initiated by my creative filings. The Monmouth County Superior Court vacated and dissolved the restraining order. By the time this had been accomplished, the law-abiding gun owner had been barred from his home for one week under the threat of jail. My client resided with his wife in a home on 20 acres of property. On a simple charge of possession of a so-called ""Assault Firearm"" in which the defendant holds a valid New Jersey Firearms Identification Card and poses a threat to no one, my client suffered this injustice which could have lasted for years. None of these facts were presented to nor considered by the judge of the municipal court who issued the initial DOROA. This is a serious situation for law-abiding New Jersey gun owners. False charges for possession of an "Assault Firearm" frequently occur in New Jersey. I have personally handled many cases falsely charging "Assault Firearm" violations. These cases include the new Marlin Model 60's (which hold less than 15 rounds), Colt Match Target rifles and their clones, SKS's with a fixed magazines, 1927 Thompson/Auto Ordinance .45's, M1 Garand Rifles, MAK-90's, Marlin Camp Carbine's, Remington 7600's, Russian Dragunov's, and Springfield M1A's without a bayonet lug, just to name some of the common false charges made against law- abiding New Jersey gun owners. In the name of "the war on drugs," be prepared to be kicked out of your home with no due process thanks to Florio, Gormley, and Whitman . This article may be freely reproduced with credit given to the author, Evan F. Nappen, Esq., (732-389-8888). For more information about New Jersey Gun Law, see http://www.evannappen.com and purchase and read Nappen II: New Jersey Gun, Knife & Weapon Law. - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:53:11 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: [ocs@xpresso.seaslug.org: Kathie's Korner 4/24 (fwd)] From: Rich Martin Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: richslick-owner@yahoogroups.com Subject: [richslick] FWd. Kathie's Korner 4/24 From: "Kathie Morgan" =20 Maybe your newspaper carried the B.C. comic strip on Easter Day. Ours=20 did, with a disclaimer that they had found out too late that B.C. had=20 once again crossed the line into support for Christianity, that they had=20 tried but failed to STOP the PRESSES and remove the offensive material.=20 When one woman here jumped on the Dump B.C . bandwagon, in her letter=20 to the editor she alluded to Madalyn Murray O=92Hair in giving her reason= s=20 for the ride-along. =93Freedom of religion has got to include freedom fro= m=20 religion,=94 she wrote: It=92s a leap of logic that boggles my mind, and I almost wish Ohair were here to defend herself. Taking that argument to its only possible=20 conclusion would also give us freedom from speech and freedom from the=20 press, thereby eliminating not only letters to the editor but also the=20 editors and their products. Let=92s not go there. Pray for America!=20 Kathy What a great point. If freedom of religion =3D freedom from religion, the= n why doesn't freedom of the press =3D freedom from the press? Rich Martin Editor of Slick - --=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RK= BA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath n= o weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand =3D Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy= a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Chr= ist - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:20:18 -0400 From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Re: [ocs@xpresso.seaslug.org: Kathie's Korner 4/24 (fwd)] I don't get the paper, so missed the strip in question. Does anybody still have that one, and if so could they send it out? Thanks, Tom At 09:53 AM 4/25/01 -0700, you wrote: >From: Rich Martin >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:39:14 -0700 (PDT) >Reply-To: richslick-owner@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [richslick] FWd. Kathie's Korner 4/24 > >From: "Kathie Morgan" > > >Maybe your newspaper carried the B.C. comic strip on Easter Day. Ours >did, with a disclaimer that they had found out too late that B.C. had >once again crossed the line into support for Christianity, that they had >tried but failed to STOP the PRESSES and remove the offensive material. >When one woman here jumped on the Dump B.C . bandwagon, in her letter >to the editor she alluded to Madalyn Murray O'Hair in giving her reasons >for the ride-along. "Freedom of religion has got to include freedom from >religion," she wrote: >It's a leap of logic that boggles my mind, and I almost wish Ohair >were here to defend herself. Taking that argument to its only possible >conclusion would also give us freedom from speech and freedom from the >press, thereby eliminating not only letters to the editor but also the >editors and their products. Let's not go there. Pray for America! > >Kathy > > >What a great point. If freedom of religion = freedom from religion, then why >doesn't freedom of the press = freedom from the press? > >Rich Martin >Editor of Slick > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- >An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no >weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his >hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a >on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:12:11 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: [ocs@xpresso.seaslug.org: Stolen purse/wallet (fwd)] - ----- Forwarded message from ocs@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- Subject: Stolen purse/wallet (fwd) To: roc@xpresso.com (Bill Vance), 4-19@xpresso.com (Bill Vance), rap@xpresso.com (Bill Vance), slk@xpresso.com (Bill Vance) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:12:54 -0700 (PDT) From: ocs@xpresso.seaslug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:44:19 -0700 From: snowbear@sisna.com Subject: FWD Stolen purse/wallet I received this from a friend. Thought I would pass this invaluable information on...: What to do if you have lost your wallet or purse or had it stolen: We've all heard horror stories about fraud that's committed using your name, address, SS#, credit, etc. Unfortunately I (author of this piece) have first hand knowledge, because my wallet was stolen last month and within a week the thieves: ordered an expensive monthly cell phone package, applied for a VISA credit card, had a credit line approved to buy a Gateway computer, received a PIN number from DMV to change my driving record information online, and more. But here's some critical information to limit the damage in case this happens to you or someone you know. As everyone always advises, cancel your credit cards immediately, but the key is having the toll free numbers and your card numbers handy so you know whom to call. Keep those where you can find them easily (having to hunt for them is additional stress you WON'T need at that point)! On a personal note, I remember losing a MC and until I got the toll free number from information, etc. I was a wreck. File a police report immediately in the jurisdiction where it was stolen, this proves to credit providers you were diligent, and is a first step toward an investigation (if there ever is one). But here's what is perhaps most important: I never ever thought to do this. Call the three national credit-reporting organizations immediately to place a fraud alert on your name and SS#. I had never heard of doing that until advised by a bank that called to tell me an application for credit was made over the internet in my name. The alert means any company that checks your credit knows your information was stolen and they have to contact you by phone to authorize new credit. By the time I was advised to do this-almost 2 weeks after the theft, all the damage had been done (there are records of all the credit checks initiated by the thieves' Purchases, none of which I knew about before placing the alert). Since then, no additional damage has been done, and the thieves threw my wallet away this weekend (someone turned it in). It seems to have stopped them in their tracks. The numbers are: Equifax 1-800 525-6285 Experian (formerly TRW) 1-800-301-7195 Trans Union 1-800-680-7289 Social Security Administration also has a fraud line at 1-800-269-0271. We pass along jokes, we pass along just about everything...do think about passing this information along ... it could help someone else. - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:57:15 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: [fap@xpresso.seaslug.org: Ooh... ooh... OH CANADA! (fwd)] Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:32:21 -0700 From: "C. D. Tavares" Subject: Ooh... ooh... OH CANADA! Forwarded to me by a friend. > From a magazine..................... > > Canadian Customs Stories, Chapter 3, Eh? > > Several years ago, a young female Candian customs officer spotted the NRA >decal on my truck and asked me if I owned any guns. I said that I did, >but they weren't with me. She asked me in a nasty tone of voice how I was >"planning to protect myself" while I was in Canada. Before my wife could >shut me up, I said " With a condom." With that, my car was quickly >encircled by other customs officers. After hearing the whole story, the >most senior officer could not contain his laughter and let us go. The >young female customs officer was fuming. So was my wife.........Anthony >Siesto - -- Tavares@alum.mit.edu | http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares | RKBA! That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - --GEORGE ORWELL - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:32:08 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: [slk@xpresso.seaslug.org: United Nations Wants Global Gun Ban (fwd)] - ----- Forwarded message from slk@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- From: "John Perna" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:58:58 -0400 Subject: United Nations Wants Global Gun Ban FOR BACK GROUND INFORMATION Also visit: http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2000/07-03-2000/vo16no14_disarm.htm and read Civilian Disarmament by Gary Benoit The United Nations, in its quest for global domination, is stepping up its efforts to disarm civilians. For Americans, this means an all-out assault on the Second Amendment. Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! U.N. Wants Global Gun Ban NewsMax.com Friday, April 27, 2001 The U.N. is after Americans' Second Amendment gun rights it wants gun ownership banned in the U.S., and it's not going to stop until it gets its way. That is the warning from the National Rifle Association's Wayne LaPierre, who reveals that "for the first time in the history of the world, a United Nations conference has set its sights on global disarmament disarming citizens worldwide including you and me." At an 11-day meeting beginning July 9 at U.N. headquarters in New York, every extremist anti-gun group in the world will show up at a summit on "small arms," where the delegates will attempt to create a global standard of gun control, banning civilian fire arms ownership worldwide. Their aim, LaPierre warns, is "to bring the nightmare of England, Australia and Canada into our country and our homes." Those nations, along with South Africa and others, have caved in to international pressure and banned civilian gun ownership. Canada has gone so far as to make handgun ownership a felony. As a result, crime rates in England and Australia have skyrocketed since the gun bans went into effect, once again proving the truth of the old saying that if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. While the U.N. has no power to force the U.S. to ban gun ownership, it can, with the enthusiastic help of the foreign and domestic anti-self-defense media, create a powerful international movement to shame the U.S. into junking the Second Amendment rights of private gun ownership. "You and I won't go one day without hearing that the rest of the world is banning guns and it is time for the U.S. to get in line and do the same," LaPierre wrote. As a prelude to this frightening gathering of anti-self-defense fanatics, a number of proposals have already been advanced at various U.N. forums. Among them: Strategies to reduce the number of guns in private hands that include mandating a maximum one-gun-per-person rule; A ban on possession of handguns by anyone other than government officials and target shooters who would be forced to store their weapons at shooting ranges; Worldwide licensing of firearms registered in a vast U.N. computer bank. "The bottom line is that international gun banners want every gun every single gun worldwide to be under U.N. and government control," warns LaPierre. "And that includes your rifle, your shotgun, your handgun, and even family heirlooms that have been handed down from generation to generation." LaPierre urges Americans to`contact Sen. Jesse Helms, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and express their outrage at this latest U.N. power grab. Helms, he notes, is already on record as deploring the U.N. anti-gun project. He wrote a letter to the U.S. Agency for International Development in 1999 in which he described the U.N. gun ban project: nothing less that a brazen international expansion of the [Clinton-Gore] domestic gun control agenda." *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:53:24 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: [fap@xpresso.seaslug.org: KNOX ALERT: Gun Amendments For Education Bill !?! (fwd)] - ----- Forwarded message from fap@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:07:57 -0400 From: Brad3000 Subject: SRA - KNOX ALERT: Gun Amendments For Education Bill !?! FYI - Gee, I wonder why there has been little media coverage of this... - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Gun Amendments For Education Bill Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:54:46 EDT From: nealknox@nealknox.com (Neal Knox) To: fcalerts@nealknox.com (Firearms Coalition Alerts List) April 25 Neal Knox Update -- Senate leaders from both parties are huddling this morning trying to work out an agreement on the Education bill. If they get an agreement it could be on the floor this afternoon, with whatever amendments - possibly gun amendments - are agreed to during the negotiation. Because Sen. Jim Jeffords (Vt.) and other Republicans are already lined up with Democrats, there will probably be an agreement or it won't be called to a vote. Without an agreement, it will be a free-for-all which - - if it goes to the floor - will likely include gun show & other firearms amendments. Yesterday, Senate Democrats including Charles Schumer (N.Y.), Jack Reed (R.I.) and Hillary Clinton (N.Y.) held a press conference "introducing" a bill supposedly identical to the gun provisions in the 1999 Juvenile Justice amendment. It includes the Lautenberg gun show amendment extending the NICS background checks to private sales at gun shows, flea markets and swap meets - which the Atlanta Constitution said "authors of the 1993 Brady Bill forgot to include." It is co-sponsored by 18 Democrats and one Republican, Lincoln Chafee (R.I.). Reed, the principal sponsor, said he may offer it as an amendment to the education bill, as we predicted before the Easter recess.The only thing it has to do with education is that the Columbine HS killers bought a couple of their guns through a straw purchaser at a gun show. Last year, anti-gun Senators were blocked from bringing a string of gun provisions - including Sen. Feinstein's registration bill (now S. 25) - as education bill amendments. The Senators taunted President Bush to support and sign the gun show provision, as he had pledged during the campaign - though that was not the Senate version but the NRA-backed House version by former Rep. Bill McCollum (R-Fla.) and Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.). NRA press spokesman Bill Powers called the bill a "massive federal regulatory scheme ... registering private information about lawful gun holders who have cleared a check with the federal government." Although Bush campaign opponents Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Joseph Lieberman (D-Ct.) have drafted a still-unseen "compromise" gun show bill, a Reed spokesman said they will not introduce their bill until after a vote on the Reed bill. According to Associated Press the McCain-Lieberman bill would "further limit gun show sales without background checks, but not eliminate them" - - whatever that means. - --------------- - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 06:42:11 -0500 From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: [Fwd: Two gun bills] - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Two gun bills Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:44:55 -0400 From: "The Liberty Committee" Reply-To: "The Liberty Committee" To: "Liberty Activist" April 28, 2001 Dear liberty activist, Representative Virgil Goode (Virginia) introduced H.R. 1455 - The States' Rights and Second and Tenth Amendment Restoration Act of 2001 that would repeal the 1996 Lautenberg amendment. Representative Roscoe Bartlett (Maryland) introduced H.R. 31 - The Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2001. Both bills are featured in "Current Legislation" at http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/bills/ . You can read descriptions of the bills, learn who has cosponsored each bill, send a message to your U.S. representative asking him to become a cosponsor or thank him for already being a cosponsor, and read the text of the bills by clicking "detailed" at the end of the bills' descriptions. If you have like-minded friends who share our interest in preserving the Second Amendment, please bring this to their attention. Kent Snyder The Liberty Committee http://www.thelibertycommittee.org ***** To send a message to our office, please go to http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/contact.htm . Do not use reply to send a message. The "reply to" address of this message is not monitored. ***** - -- Bob in Mississippi - State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") My PGP Public Key(s): RKBA! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:25:07 -0500 From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: A Pox on Government Vaccines! The April 2001 issue of _The_Free_Market_, published by The Ludwig von Mises Institute (http://www.mises.org), has as its cover article, "A Pox on Government Vaccines!" by Timothy D. Terrell. Here's an excerpt: "One of the modern hero-myths the State has cultivated about itself is that government vaccination programs drastically reduced some common communicable diseases in the twentieth century. For decades, the government has required certain vaccines for entry into schools, and most parents have passively submitted to the inoculation of their children. Now, in response to increasing evidence that vaccines may not be the boon to our health that has been supposed, opposition to mandatory vaccination programs is building." I took the liberty of reproducing the article and putting it on my web site for others to use or peruse. The URL is: http://www.datastar.net/users/linzellr/vaccine.html and there I have links to a PDF version and a JPEG version. I also have PostScript and WordPerfect versions (not at this site), but they are much larger. Let me know if you have any problems downloading or reading them. Yours in Liberty. - -- Bob in Mississippi - State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") My PGP Public Key(s): RKBA! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:05:05 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: GOAL POST 2001-S1 (fwd) - ----- Forwarded message from roc@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:17:51 -0700 From: Joe Waldron Subject: GOAL POST 2001-S1 To: pa-system@chc.com GOAL Post 2001-S1 GOAL Chairman: Bruce Turner GOAL Legislative Liaison: Joe Waldron Legislative Update from Olympia 29 April 2001 SPECIAL SESSION STARTED 25 APRIL ALL GUN BILLS BACK ON THE PLATE ACTION IN CONGRESS UTAH RECOGNIZES WA CPL WYOMING MAY RECOGNIZE WA CPL The 2001 Regular Legislative Session adjourned on Sunday, 22 April, without completing its biennial budget. Governor Locke called a special session, which began on Wednesday, 25 April for a nominal 30 days. Estimates of the time needed to complete the budgets run anywhere from two weeks to two months (necessitating a possible second special session). While the stated purpose of the special session is to complete the various budgets needed to run the state for the next two years, once the legislature convenes, they can act on any subject-any bill-they choose. Listed below in "Bill Status" are the gun bills, pro- and con-, that died at various stages of the process during the regular session. While the focus of the special session isn't gun control, any incident that generates interest in the topic can provide the momentum necessary to get a bill moving again. Once again, while the legislature is in session neither your life nor your property-including your guns-is safe! On Tuesday, 24 April, Rhode Island Democrat Senator Jack Reed filed S.767, a gun show "loophole" bill very similar to the Lautenberg bill (S.54) passed by the U.S. Senate one month to the day after the Columbine school shooting. The bill was introduced at a press conference with HCI President Michael Barnes on one flank, and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the other. The bill currently has 20 co-sponsors, including Clinton. A more insidious bill is about to be filed in the Senate in the next week or two. Monster,com's Andrew McKelvey, flush with his gun show initiative victories in Colorado and Oregon (McKelvey provided the $3 million in campaign funds to pass the two initiatives), has been working behind the scenes with Senators John "Manchurian Candidate" McCain and Joe "I wanna be VEEP" Lieberman to craft a "middle-of-the-road, common-sense, compromise" gun show "loophole" bill. This is the one to be concerned about. With McCain's support and McKelvey's millions, expect to see at least 5-6 Republican Senators sign on as co-sponsors for this one, with advertising calling attention to the bi-partisan nature of the bill. This one is likely to get out of the Senate, with half-a-dozen squish Republicans joining the 50 Democrats in passing the bill out. The House of Representatives is the place where we'll have to stop this one. More as details are released. Utah's new CCW/CPL recognition law takes effect on Tuesday, 1 May. Utah will recognize out-of-state concealed carry licenses for up to 60 consecutive days (after which you must obtain a Utah CCW). The operative word here is "consecutive." If your business takes you in and out of the state, as long as you stay fewer than 60 consecutive days, you're OK. Up until now, Wyoming would only recognize CCWs/CPLs issued by a state agency. The purpose for this was to ensure a uniform state-wide standard. While the WA CPL met the spirit of the Wyoming law, it failed to meet the letter of the law because the CPL is actually issued by a Sheriff or Chief of Police. A recent change to Wyoming law, which has NOT taken effect yet, will apparently allow WA CPLs to be recognized in Wyoming-BUT NOT RIGHT NOW. I will post an update when the change tales place. BILL STATUS: Bill # Subject Sponsor Status SB 5154 Civil Rights Act/2001 Kline (D-37) S. W&M SB 5177 Pistol registry Zarelli (R-18) S. Jud SB 5543 School safety McAuliffe (D-1) S.Rules SB 5673 Safe storage of firearms Costa (D-38) S.Jud SB 5928 Juvenile hunting Constantine(D-34) S.NatRes SB 6123 Gun show regulation Kohl-Welles(D-36) S.Jud HB 1121 Safe storage of firearms Ballasiotes (R-41)H. Jud HB 1148 Unlawful possession of firearm Lantz (D-26) H. Jud HB 1224 Gun manufacturer lawsuits Delvin (R-16) H. Jud HB 1226 Pre-school/day care gun ban O'Brien (D-1) H. Jud HB 1484 Firearm disqualifiers Carrell (R-28) H.Rules HB 1485 School gun felony Carrell (R-28) H. Jud HB 1604 Hospital safety Schual-Berke (D-33) H.Rules HB 1737 Pistol registry McMorris (R-7) H. Jud HB 1818 School safety Rockefeller (D-23) H.Ed HB 1944 Gun shows Carrell (R-28) H.Jud HB 2000 Arrest powers Delvin (R-8) H.Jud HB 2202 Gun show regulation Kagi (D-32) H.Jud Key to abbreviations: S. = Senate, H. = House, Jud = Judiciary, CJ&J = Criminal Justice & Corrections, JuvJust = Juvenile Justice, Educ = Education, NatRes = Natural Resources, Parks & Shorelines; W&M = Ways and Means LEGISLATIVE HOT LINE: You may reach your Representatives and Senator by calling the Legislative Hotline at 1-800-562-6000. Toll free!!! The hearing impaired may obtain TDD access at 1-800-635-9993. Also toll free!!! 1-800-562-6000 TDD 1-800-635-9993 OTHER DATA: Copies of pending legislation (bills), legislative schedules and other information are available on the legislature's web site at "www.leg.wa.gov". It's available in two version: text (.txt) file or Acrobat (.pdf) file. The "Acrobat" version is preferred as it is easier to read and is an exact copy of the hard copy format the legislators use. You may download a free version of Adobe Acrobat from Adobe's web site. You may also obtain hard copy bills, initiatives, etc, in the mail from the Legislative Bill Room FREE OF CHARGE by calling 1-360-786-7573. Copies of bills may also be ordered toll free by calling the Legislative Hotline at (800) 562-6000. You may also hear floor and committee hearing action live at http://www.tvw.org/ (you need "RealAudio" to do this, available free at the TVW web site). By reading the House and Senate "bill reports" (hbr, sbr) for each bill, you can see how individual committee members voted. By reading the "roll call" for each bill, you can see how the entire House or Senate voted on any bill. The beauty of the web site is that ALL this information is available, on line, to any citizen. GET THE WORD OUT: If you want to subscribe to the Goal Post by e-mail, send a message to "jwaldron@halcyon.com". Please pass Goal Post on to anyone you believe may have an interest in protecting our rights. Better yet, make a couple of copies of this message and leave them with your local gun shop(s). PERMISSION IS HEREBY GRANTED TO DUPLICATE OR REDISTRIBUTE GOAL POST PROVIDED IT IS REPRODUCED IN ITS ENTIRETY WITHOUT TEXTUAL MODIFICATION. I can be reached at "jwaldron@halcyon.com" or (during session) by telephone at (360) 754-9782 or (425) 454-4911. Unfortunately, I am unable to mail hard copy Goal Post to individuals. "The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men." Article 1, Section 24 Constitution of the State of Washington Copyright 2001 Gun Owners Action League of WA - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #438 *************************