From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #439 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Thursday, May 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 439 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:48:24 -0500 From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Re: Vote on Constitutional Amendment! At 11:02 PM 4/29/2001 -0600, roc-digest wrote: >Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:39:42 -0700 >From: Bill Vance > > >- ----- Forwarded message from slk@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- > >From: Swftl@aol.com >Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:22:57 EDT > >From: arthur.livermore@alumni.reed.edu (Arthur Livermore) > >To: drctalk@drcnet.org (DRCTalk Reformers' Forum) > >April 24, 2001 > > >Dear liberty activist, > >The U.S. House will vote tomorrow (Wednesday, 4/25/01) on an amendment to >the Constitution that would require a 2/3 majority in the House and Senate >in order to increase federal taxes. The bill is H. J. Res. 41. It has 139 >cosponsors. The vote will occur in the late morning or early afternoon. From thomas.loc.gov - --- H.J.RES.41 Sponsor: Rep Sessions, Pete (introduced 3/22/2001) Related Bills: H.RES.118 Latest Major Action: 4/25/2001 Failed of passage/not agreed to in House: On passage Failed by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 232 - 189 (Roll no. 87). Title: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States with respect to tax limitations. H.J.RES.41 Sponsor: Rep Sessions, Pete (introduced 3/22/2001) Related Bills: H.RES.118 Latest Major Action: 4/25/2001 Failed of passage/not agreed to in House: On passage Failed by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 232 - 189 (Roll no. 87). Title: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States with respect to tax limitations. - --- This was a recorded vote: (roll # 87) http://143.231.123.93/cgi-bin/vote.exe?year=2001&rollnumber=87 - -- YEAS NAYS PRES NV REPUBLICAN 204 11 5 DEMOCRATIC 27 177 6 INDEPENDENT 1 1 TOTALS 232 189 11 - -------- So much for Democratic Party bipartinship. You can clearly see which party is the Tax (and Spend) Party. My current yellow dog rep voted nay, while the rep up where my wife and I own a house, and my wife lives (I only get to visit thanks to Clinton sizing of the Defense industry), is a blue dog Democrat and voted to require a 2/3 majority to raise taxes. Here's the complete vote, Y'all know what to do. - --- The following is from 3 column tables, so there are three names on each line. - --- YEAS 232 --- Aderholt Goss Peterson (PA) Akin Graham Petri Andrews Granger Pickering Armey Graves Pitts Bachus Green (TX) Platts Baker Green (WI) Pombo Ballenger Greenwood Portman Barcia Grucci Pryce (OH) Barr Gutknecht Putnam Bartlett Hall (TX) Quinn Barton Hansen Radanovich Bass Harman Ramstad Berkley Hart Regula Berry Hastert Rehberg Biggert Hastings (WA) Reynolds Bilirakis Hayes Riley Bishop Hayworth Roemer Blunt Hefley Rogers (KY) Boehner Herger Rogers (MI) Bonilla Hilleary Rohrabacher Bono Hobson Ros-Lehtinen Boswell Hoekstra Roukema Brady (TX) Horn Royce Brown (SC) Hulshof Ryan (WI) Bryant Hunter Ryun (KS) Burr Hutchinson Sanchez Burton Isakson Sandlin Buyer Issa Saxton Callahan Istook Scarborough Calvert Jenkins Schaffer Camp John Schrock Cannon Johnson (IL) Sensenbrenner Cantor Johnson, Sam Sessions Capito Jones (NC) Shadegg Castle Keller Shays Chabot Kelly Sherman Chambliss Kennedy (MN) Sherwood Coble Kerns Shimkus Collins King (NY) Shows Combest Kingston Simmons Condit Kirk Simpson Cox Knollenberg Skeen Cramer Kolbe Skelton Crane LaHood Smith (MI) Crenshaw Largent Smith (NJ) Cubin Latham Souder Culberson LaTourette Spence Cunningham Leach Stearns Davis, Jo Ann Lewis (CA) Stump Davis, Tom Lewis (KY) Sununu Deal Linder Sweeney DeLay LoBiondo Tancredo DeMint Lucas (KY) Tauzin Diaz-Balart Lucas (OK) Taylor (MS) Doolittle Maloney (CT) Taylor (NC) Duncan Manzullo Terry Dunn McCarthy (NY) Thornberry Ehlers McCrery Thune Ehrlich McInnis Tiahrt Emerson McIntyre Tiberi English McKeon Toomey Etheridge Mica Traficant Everett Miller (FL) Upton Ferguson Miller, Gary Walden Flake Moran (KS) Walsh Fletcher Myrick Wamp Foley Nethercutt Watkins Fossella Ney Weldon (FL) Frelinghuysen Northup Weldon (PA) Gallegly Norwood Weller Ganske Nussle Whitfield Gekas Osborne Wicker Gibbons Ose Wilson Gilchrest Otter Wolf Gilman Oxley Young (AK) Goode Pallone Young (FL) Goodlatte Paul Gordon Pence - --- NAYS 189 --- Abercrombie Hill Murtha Ackerman Hilliard Nadler Allen Hinchey Napolitano Baca Hinojosa Neal Baird Hoeffel Oberstar Baldacci Holden Obey Baldwin Holt Olver Barrett Honda Ortiz Becerra Hooley Owens Bentsen Hostettler Pascrell Bereuter Houghton Pastor Berman Hoyer Payne Blagojevich Hyde Pelosi Blumenauer Inslee Peterson (MN) Boehlert Israel Phelps Bonior Jackson (IL) Pomeroy Borski Jackson-Lee (TX) Price (NC) Boucher Jefferson Rahall Boyd Johnson (CT) Rangel Brady (PA) Johnson, E. B. Reyes Brown (FL) Jones (OH) Rivers Brown (OH) Kanjorski Rodriguez Capuano Kaptur Ross Cardin Kennedy (RI) Rothman Carson (IN) Kildee Rush Carson (OK) Kilpatrick Sabo Clay Kind (WI) Sanders Clayton Kleczka Sawyer Clement Kucinich Schakowsky Clyburn LaFalce Schiff Conyers Lampson Scott Costello Langevin Serrano Coyne Lantos Shaw Crowley Larsen (WA) Slaughter Cummings Larson (CT) Smith (WA) Davis (CA) Lee Snyder Davis (FL) Levin Solis Davis (IL) Lewis (GA) Spratt DeFazio Lipinski Stark DeGette Lofgren Stenholm Delahunt Lowey Strickland DeLauro Luther Stupak Deutsch Maloney (NY) Tanner Dicks Markey Tauscher Dingell Mascara Thomas Doggett Matheson Thompson (CA) Dooley Matsui Thompson (MS) Doyle McCarthy (MO) Thurman Dreier McCollum Tierney Edwards McDermott Towns Engel McGovern Turner Eshoo McKinney Udall (CO) Evans McNulty Udall (NM) Farr Meehan Velazquez Fattah Meek (FL) Visclosky Filner Meeks (NY) Waters Ford Menendez Watt (NC) Frank Millender-McDonald Waxman Frost Miller, George Weiner Gephardt Mink Wexler Gillmor Mollohan Woolsey Gonzalez Moore Wu Hastings (FL) Morella Wynn - --- NOT VOTING 11 --- Capps McHugh Smith (TX) Cooksey Moakley Vitter Gutierrez Moran (VA) Watts (OK) Hall (OH) Roybal-Allard The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. --Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! Molon Labe! - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:31:27 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: Latest ACLU ad against civil asset forfeiture (fwd) - ----- Forwarded message from slk@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- From: Swftl@aol.com Subject: {SD-2} latest ACLU ad against civil asset forfeiture Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:30:34 EDT http://www.aclu.org/forfeiture/ Latest ACLU Advertisement Targets Asset Forfeiture Laws NEW YORK - Saying asset forfeiture laws provide the police with a license to steal, the American Civil Liberties Union has launched a new attack against this form of unfettered law enforcement abuse with its latest national advertisement. "Thanks to civil asset forfeiture laws, possessions that took you a lifetime to acquire can be taken in the blink of an eye, or, more accurately, the flash of a badge," the advertisement says. "The forfeiture laws were designed as a new government weapon in the 'war on drugs.' But they've done little more than provide law enforcement with a license to steal." Latest ACLU advertisement targeting asset forfeiture laws. The ACLU advertisement modifies the instantly recognizable World War II-era image of a stern Uncle Sam with an outstretched finger. Instead of the standard tag line of "I Want You," the new ACLU ad says: "I Want Your Money, Jewelry, Car, Boat and House." The advertisement, which is scheduled to appear in The New York Times Sunday Magazine on April 29 and in the May 9 issue of The New Yorker, is the latest in a hard-hitting series of public policy messages from the ACLU. Previous advertisements this year have focused on winning anti-discrimination protections for lesbians and gay men and, most recently, on the loss of individual privacy through high-tech government wiretaps. The asset forfeiture advertisement takes aim at another example of out-of-control government actions that have been decried by an unusually broad array of organizations, from the ACLU to the National Rifle Association. The practice has also drawn the ire of conservative members of Congress such as Reps. Henry Hyde, R-IL, and Dick Armey, R-TX. Under current law, as the ACLU ad explains, law enforcement agencies need only meet a low legal standard - known as probable cause - before they can seize everything, from family photos to life savings. In recent years, forfeiture laws have become a major source of funds for law enforcement agencies as the value of property seized has soared into the hundreds of millions of dollars. "Allowing authorities to take away and sell a person's vehicle or home without proving that he or she has done something wrong flies in the face of basic American values," said Graham Boyd, the Director of the ACLU's Drug Policy Litigation Project. "Forfeiting a person's property without a conviction undermines the bedrock principle of our legal system: that a person is innocent until proven guilty." Boyd said that the limited constitutional protections for individuals subjected to civil forfeiture laws create a system that is ripe for abuse. Particularly appalling is the list of cases that document the disproportionate impact on minorities due to the use of racial profiling of African American and Hispanic travelers. Willie Jones, for example, an African American landscaper, experienced the humiliation and pain of asset forfeiture when he had $9,600 in cash seized from him at the Nashville airport simply because he fit a so-called "drug courier profile" - that is, he was an African American paying for a round-trip airline ticket with cash. He actually planned to use the money to buy landscape materials. In recent years, as the Jones incident and others drew media attention, the public has shown increasing unease about asset forfeiture practices. Last November, Oregon voters amended their state constitution to require a criminal conviction before a forfeiture action is completed. Utah's voters also approved a similar measure in November. And in 1999, Congress adopted a measure pushed by Rep. Hyde that somewhat reined in federal asset forfeiture laws. The ACLU, which worked hard to build support for the Hyde bill, said it represented a historic first step in ending the unfair seizure of innocent people's property, but said much more remains to be done. "Working with our network of state offices and allies, we will continue to press this battle until this medieval practice is barred by law in every state across the country," Boyd said. After all, as the ACLU advertisement notes, "who can you call when the police are the ones robbing you? The creative minds behind the ad series, DeVito/Verdi Advertising, also developed last year's ACLU advertising series, which included messages on racial profiling, juvenile justice and the death penalty. The ACLU advertising campaign will be featured on the organization's website, www.aclu.org, with links to relevant documents and news about each issue. The next advertisement, on the topic of reproductive freedom is scheduled to run in the May 13 issue of The New York Times Magazine and in the May 21 issue of The New Yorker. The ACLU is a nationwide, non-partisan organization dedicated to defending and preserving the Bill of Rights for all individuals through litigation, legislation and public education. Headquartered in New York City, the ACLU has 53 staffed affiliates that cover every state, more than 300 chapters nationwide, and a legislative office in Washington, DC. The bulk of the annual $40 million budget is raised by contributions from members -- 275,000 strong -- and gifts and grants from other individuals and foundations. - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:35:37 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: Kathie's Korner 4/24 (fwd) Just a little late on this one, but it's got a great punch line..... - ----- Forwarded message from ocs@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- From: Rich Martin Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: richslick-owner@yahoogroups.com Subject: [richslick] FWd. Kathie's Korner 4/24 From: "Kathie Morgan" =20 Maybe your newspaper carried the B.C. comic strip on Easter Day. Ours=20 did, with a disclaimer that they had found out too late that B.C. had=20 once again crossed the line into support for Christianity, that they had=20 tried but failed to STOP the PRESSES and remove the offensive material.=20 When one woman here jumped on the Dump B.C . bandwagon, in her letter=20 to the editor she alluded to Madalyn Murray O=92Hair in giving her reason= s=20 for the ride-along. =93Freedom of religion has got to include freedom fro= m=20 religion,=94 she wrote: It=92s a leap of logic that boggles my mind, and I almost wish Ohair were here to defend herself. Taking that argument to its only possible=20 conclusion would also give us freedom from speech and freedom from the=20 press, thereby eliminating not only letters to the editor but also the=20 editors and their products. Let=92s not go there. Pray for America!=20 Kathy What a great point. If freedom of religion =3D freedom from religion, the= n why doesn't freedom of the press =3D freedom from the press? Rich Martin Editor of Slick - ----- End forwarded message ----- - --=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RK= BA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath n= o weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand =3D Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy= a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Chr= ist - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:58:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Harry Barnett Subject: Re: Kathie's Korner 4/24 (fwd) This is the second time this "imaginary hobgoblin" has been posted, with absolutely no cite other than "our newspaper". Need a great punchline? Here's one: "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H. L. Mencken On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Bill Vance wrote: > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:35:37 -0700 > From: Bill Vance > Reply-To: roc@lists.xmission.com > To: roc@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Kathie's Korner 4/24 (fwd) >=20 > Just a little late on this one, but it's got a great punch line..... >=20 > ----- Forwarded message from ocs@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- >=20 > From: Rich Martin > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:39:14 -0700 (PDT) > Reply-To: richslick-owner@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [richslick] FWd. Kathie's Korner 4/24 >=20 > From: "Kathie Morgan" =20 >=20 >=20 > Maybe your newspaper carried the B.C. comic strip on Easter Day. Ours=20 > did, with a disclaimer that they had found out too late that B.C. had=20 > once again crossed the line into support for Christianity, that they had= =20 > tried but failed to STOP the PRESSES and remove the offensive material.= =20 > When one woman here jumped on the Dump B.C . bandwagon, in her letter=20 > to the editor she alluded to Madalyn Murray O=92Hair in giving her reason= s=20 > for the ride-along. =93Freedom of religion has got to include freedom fro= m=20 > religion,=94 she wrote: > It=92s a leap of logic that boggles my mind, and I almost wish Ohair > were here to defend herself. Taking that argument to its only possible=20 > conclusion would also give us freedom from speech and freedom from the=20 > press, thereby eliminating not only letters to the editor but also the=20 > editors and their products. Let=92s not go there. Pray for America!=20 >=20 > Kathy >=20 >=20 > What a great point. If freedom of religion =3D freedom from religion, the= n why > doesn't freedom of the press =3D freedom from the press? >=20 > Rich Martin > Editor of Slick >=20 > ----- End forwarded message ----- >=20 > --=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- > RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RK= BA! > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath n= o > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand =3D Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy= a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Chr= ist > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- >=20 > Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- >=20 > - >=20 - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:02:26 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: Re: Kathie's Korner 4/24 (fwd) Well, it _is_ a syndicated strip..... On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:58:42PM -0700, Harry Barnett wrote: >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:58:42 -0700 (PDT) >From: Harry Barnett >Subject: Re: Kathie's Korner 4/24 (fwd) > >This is the second time this "imaginary hobgoblin" has been posted, >with absolutely no cite other than "our newspaper". > >Need a great punchline? Here's one: > >"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed >(and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an >endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H. L. Mencken > >On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Bill Vance wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:35:37 -0700 >> From: Bill Vance >> Reply-To: roc@lists.xmission.com >> To: roc@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Kathie's Korner 4/24 (fwd) >> >> Just a little late on this one, but it's got a great punch line..... >> >> ----- Forwarded message from ocs@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- >> >> From: Rich Martin >> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:39:14 -0700 (PDT) >> Reply-To: richslick-owner@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [richslick] FWd. Kathie's Korner 4/24 >> >> From: "Kathie Morgan" >> >> >> Maybe your newspaper carried the B.C. comic strip on Easter Day. Ours >> did, with a disclaimer that they had found out too late that B.C. had >> once again crossed the line into support for Christianity, that they had >> tried but failed to STOP the PRESSES and remove the offensive material. >> When one woman here jumped on the Dump B.C . bandwagon, in her letter >> to the editor she alluded to Madalyn Murray O?Hair in giving her reasons >> for the ride-along. ?Freedom of religion has got to include freedom from >> religion,? she wrote: >> It?s a leap of logic that boggles my mind, and I almost wish Ohair >> were here to defend herself. Taking that argument to its only possible >> conclusion would also give us freedom from speech and freedom from the >> press, thereby eliminating not only letters to the editor but also the >> editors and their products. Let?s not go there. Pray for America! >> >> Kathy >> >> >> What a great point. If freedom of religion = freedom from religion, then why >> doesn't freedom of the press = freedom from the press? >> >> Rich Martin >> Editor of Slick >> >> ----- End forwarded message ----- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Harry Barnett Subject: Re: Kathie's Korner 4/24 (fwd) I didn't connect the substance of the message with a comic strip "Kathie's Korner". It seems to be from > >> From: "Kathie Morgan" forwarded by Rich Martin. "B.C." is a syndicated comic strip, it is easy to check out online, but so what? The veracity of the "our newpaper" reactionary assertion is what I question. It sounds more like some kid with too little to do fabricated some nonsense and posted it to see how much reaction he could get. Do you really think ANY newspaper would print something apologizing for failing to stop the presses? I seriously doubt it. "A knee jerk here, a knee jerk there, here a jerk, there a jerk, everywhere a jerk jerk..." On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Bill Vance wrote: > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:02:26 -0700 > From: Bill Vance > Reply-To: roc@lists.xmission.com > To: roc@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: Kathie's Korner 4/24 (fwd) > > > Well, it _is_ a syndicated strip..... > > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:58:42PM -0700, Harry Barnett wrote: > > >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:58:42 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Harry Barnett > >Subject: Re: Kathie's Korner 4/24 (fwd) > > > >This is the second time this "imaginary hobgoblin" has been posted, > >with absolutely no cite other than "our newspaper". > > > >Need a great punchline? Here's one: > > > >"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed > >(and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an > >endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H. L. Mencken > > > >On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Bill Vance wrote: > > > >> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:35:37 -0700 > >> From: Bill Vance > >> Reply-To: roc@lists.xmission.com > >> To: roc@lists.xmission.com > >> Subject: Kathie's Korner 4/24 (fwd) > >> > >> Just a little late on this one, but it's got a great punch line..... > >> > >> ----- Forwarded message from ocs@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- > >> > >> From: Rich Martin > >> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:39:14 -0700 (PDT) > >> Reply-To: richslick-owner@yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: [richslick] FWd. Kathie's Korner 4/24 > >> > >> From: "Kathie Morgan" > >> > >> > >> Maybe your newspaper carried the B.C. comic strip on Easter Day. Ours > >> did, with a disclaimer that they had found out too late that B.C. had > >> once again crossed the line into support for Christianity, that they had > >> tried but failed to STOP the PRESSES and remove the offensive material. > >> When one woman here jumped on the Dump B.C . bandwagon, in her letter > >> to the editor she alluded to Madalyn Murray O?Hair in giving her reasons > >> for the ride-along. ?Freedom of religion has got to include freedom from > >> religion,? she wrote: > >> It?s a leap of logic that boggles my mind, and I almost wish Ohair > >> were here to defend herself. Taking that argument to its only possible > >> conclusion would also give us freedom from speech and freedom from the > >> press, thereby eliminating not only letters to the editor but also the > >> editors and their products. Let?s not go there. Pray for America! > >> > >> Kathy > >> > >> > >> What a great point. If freedom of religion = freedom from religion, then why > >> doesn't freedom of the press = freedom from the press? > >> > >> Rich Martin > >> Editor of Slick > >> > >> ----- End forwarded message ----- > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:44:04 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: [ocs@xpresso.seaslug.org: I Am a Bad American (fwd)] - ----- Forwarded message from ocs@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- From: "Huck" Subject: Re: [piml] I Am a Bad American Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 21:08:04 -0400 Couldn't have written this much better myself! :) Huck - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger D. Cravens, Jr." To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:38 AM Subject: [piml] I Am a Bad American > At 03:24 PM 04/30/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > >I'm a bad American. I believe in big trucks, big money, big cars, big > >boats, and big houses. > > > >I don't think playing with toy guns makes you a killer. > > > >I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some > >mid-level governmental functionary with a bad comb-over who wants to > >give it away to crack addicts squirting out babies. And, yes the > >government (Federal, State, City, County, School Districts, Municipal > >Utility Districts, etc.) tax us too much. > > > >I'm not in touch with my feelings and I like it that way. > > > >I have the right not to be tolerant of others because they are > >different, weird or irritate me. > > > >I know what SEX is, and there are not varying degrees of it. > > > >I don't think owning a gun makes you a killer. > > > >I believe it's called the Boy Scouts for a reason. > > > >I don't think being a minority makes you noble or victimized. > > > >I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, you ought to do it in > >English. > > > >I think the cops have every right to shoot you if you run from them, > >after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word freeze or > >stop in English, see the previous line. > > > >I don't use the excuse "it's for the children" as a shield for unpopular > >opinions or actions. > > > >I think fireworks should be legal on the 4th of July. > > > >I don't want to eat or drink anything with the words light, lite or > >fat-free on the package. That includes beer. > > > >My heroes are John Wayne and Clint Eastwood. > > > >I don't hate the rich. > > > >I don't pity the poor. > > > >We did not go to some foreign country and risk lives in vain to defend > >our constitution so that decades later you can tell us it's a living > >document ever changing and is open to interpretation. > > > >I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time arguing about it. > > > >I know global warming is a big lie. > > > >I've never owned a slave, or was a slave, I didn't wander forty years in > >the desert after leaving Egypt, I haven't burned any witches or been > >persecuted by the Turks and neither have you, so shut up already. > > > >I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and > >continues to make more. If it bothers you, invent the next operating > >system that's better and put your name on the building. > > > >I want to know which church is it exactly where the Rev. Jesse Jackson > >preaches. And where does he get his money. And why is he always part of > >the problem and not the solution. > > > >We don't need more laws! Let's enforce the ones we already have. > > > >I know what the definition of lying is. > > > >I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you > >qualify for any special loan programs, govm't sponsored bank loans, > >etc., so you can open a hotel, c-store, trinket shop, or anything else. > > > >If you are breaking the law, you have given up your rights. > > > >I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes a > >parent with a backbone to stand up to the kid, spank his butt and say > >"NO". > > > >I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them but please don't > >pretend they are a political statement. > > > >I think Dr. Seuss was a genius, (although I didn't realize it until I > >had kids). > > > >I will not be frowned upon or be looked down upon, or be made to keep > >silent because I have these beliefs and opinions. > > > >I thought this country allowed me that right. I am sick to death of > >"Political Correctness". > > > >I'm neither angry or disenfranchised, no matter how desperately the > >mainstream media would like the world to believe otherwise. > > > >If that makes me a bad American, then yes, I'm a bad American. If you > >too are a bad American please forward this to everyone you know. We > >need to start a revolution. > > > >-- > >If the Constitution meant for people to carry arms for defense, it would > >have said, "The right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be > >infringed." Oh, yeah.... - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:46:30 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: BOYCOTT! BANK OF AMERICA Pulls a Citibank On A.R.S., AZ. (fwd) - ----- Forwarded message from fap@xpresso.seaslug.org ----- Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 01:52:15 -0400 From: Brad3000 Subject: SRA - BOYCOTT! BANK OF AMERICA Pulls a Citibank On A.R.S., AZ. FYI - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: BOYCOTT! BANK OF AMERICA DISCRIMINATES AGAINST WOMEN, THE ELDERLY, THE HANDICAPPED, AND AMERICA ITSELF. Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 01:36:04 -0400 From: "Sam Cohen" To: May 2, 2001 Friends, if this connects to you in any way, please pass this message along, far and wide. BANK OF AMERICA DISCRIMINATES AGAINST WOMEN, THE ELDERLY, THE HANDICAPPED, AND AMERICA ITSELF. How? Because it discriminates against gun owners, and would therefore make us all into a country of disarmed victims, harming the weakest the most. Bank of America has refused credit-card processing to Arizona Response Systems, a gunsmithing business in Phoenix, because "Bank of America does not provide merchant services to the gun industry." This new policy was confirmed by a corporate spokesman, Daniel Schulman of their San Francisco headquarters office. THIS IS AN EXACT REPLAY of last year, when Citibank refused merchant services to the Nevada Pistol Academy of Las Vegas. I was one of several people who independently called for a national boycott then, and I said we COULD make a difference. WE DID. The news of the Citibank boycott spread on the Internet, reached the newspapers, and even made it to network television. I was interviewed on a Fox Network News television segment, aired nationally on February 28, 2000. I said two things: First : There are over eighty million lawful and responsible gun owners in this country, and we're SICK AND TIRED of being treated like criminals. Second: "Tear up your credit cards; close your accounts!" It took a few weeks, but Citibank changed its policy. WE WON. NOW IT'S TIME TO DO IT AGAIN, BUT EVEN BETTER. Bank of America is now the largest bank in the country. Good! That means they're everywhere, and we can hit them everywhere. Tear up your Bank of America credit cards! Close your Bank of America accounts! If you own B of A stock, sell it! Thinking of a mortgage or a car loan from Bank of America? Go elsewhere! Withdraw all business from Bank of America! And TELL THEM WHY. Most importantly, PASS THE WORD. Tell everyone you know: BANK OF AMERICA DISCRIMINATES - BOYCOTT THEM. You can reach Ken Lewis, Chairman and CEO of Bank of America, at 100 North Tryon Street, Charlotte, North Carolina 28255. I'm sure he'd like to hear from all of us. When you write, please add the "RKBA!" signature line (and don't forget the exclamation point). Shareholders may want to call their shareholder relations office, at 800/521-3984. And, you can call Shirley Norton at their risk management public relations office in San Francisco, at 415/622-4041. Ask B of A if their "gun industry" policy applies to serious weapons-makers - the Raytheons and Lockheed-Martins and other defense contractors that all large banks do business with. Tell them that their policy discriminates against all the Americans who have chosen the only effective way to protect themselves, their families, and, ultimately, their country. And there are a lot of us. When even the Los Angeles Times admits that one out of four households owns guns, they have to pay attention. Ask them if they think no further than "guns kill, therefore guns are bad," or if they'd rather have their daughters and granddaughters say "stop or I'll call 911" instead of "stop or I'll shoot." Ask them if they know that New York City and Washington, DC are the most dangerous places in the country because the rapists, muggers, and burglars know that their victims are unarmed, thanks to the city government. Tell them that their contempt for the most fundamental of all human rights, that of self-defense, is nothing less than obscene. Ask them if they want a society where only the government has guns, and to ask the Jews under Hitler, or the Soviets under Stalin, or the Cambodians under Pol Pot, how that works. Ask them: If people surrender their ability to resist authority gone bad, can they predict what could happen, even in this country, in a few generations? But remind them that there are still patriots in this country, and among them are eighty-three million gun owners. Maybe we can't dump tea into Boston harbor, but we can dump their bank. Remember, PASS THE WORD. Tell everyone you know: BANK OF AMERICA DISCRIMINATES - BOYCOTT THEM. Sam Cohen http://www.thespiritof76.com/rkba.html **** **** RKBA! (...the exclamation point means "shall not be infringed!") **** #### Support http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com - THE Internet home of the Second Amendment #### - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:27:23 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: Righteous Indian Admires Indigenous European Folk (fwd)] From: "Gerald Woods" Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:17:20 -0500 Subject: {slick-d} Fw: Righteous Indian Admires Indigenous European Folk] Got this from BB and just HAD to pass it on. It's 100% my view of the Indian Nations, and Dr. David Yeagley says it RIGHT! Booneybum@outdrs.net GUN CONTROL is INHERENTLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "LeRoy Woods" Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:19 PM Subject: [Fwd: Righteous Indian Admires Indigenous European Folk] > Subject: Righteous Indian Admires Indigenous European Folk > > >It's a warrior thing. You wouldn't understand. > >by David Yeagley > > > >http://www.frontpagemag.com/columnists/yeagley/2001/dy03-07-01p.htm > > > > >www.frontpagemag.com > >Return to normal view > > > >Its a Warrior Thing. You Wouldn't Understand by David A. Yeagley > >FrontPageMagazine.com | March 7, 2001 > >URL: > http://www.frontpagemag.com/columnists/yeagley/2001/dy03-07-01p.htm > > > > >WE INDIANS are supposed to hate the white man. Everyone tells me this. > I've heard it from whites, blacks and even from Indians. Well, folks, I > hate to disappoint you, but I like white people just fine. To tell the > truth, I rather admire them and their fascinating history. Oh, I know > what you're thinking. "Yeagley! How can you say > that? How can you admire a people who slaughtered your ancestors, gave > smallpox to those left alive, herded them onto reservations, made them > all drunks, and - as the final indignity - sold their turquoise mines to > the > Japanese?" > Well, the way I figure it, anyone who could whip our Indian behinds like > the white man did deserves our highest respect. And anyone who can whip > a Comanche (my tribe) deserves the Medal of Honor. I admire a man who > can beat me. I dare say, deep inside all Indians - at least those who > are still warriors at heart - there is a special admiration for the > white man. When the Comanches first encountered the white man, his > behavior didn't shock them. They saw that he took what he wanted by > force. And they understood. Because the Comanches did the same to their > weaker neighbors. If my ancestors had been strong enough, they would > have > taken the white man's land, instead of the other way around. And they > wouldn't have felt guilty about it afterwards. You wouldn't have seen > any defeated white people getting affirmative action from Comanches. > When one general surrenders to another, they salute each other. It > doesn't mean that there's no bitterness between them. It just means that > a warrior respects his foe. > > White people understand this, because they too come from a warrior > culture. The white man has great respect for the Indian. I'm not saying > he always treats us the way we want to be treated. But he respects us > for > putting up a good fight. Have you ever noticed how cowboy-and-Indian > movies always focus on the same tribes? It's either the Sioux, the > Apaches or the Comanches. White people remember those tribes, because > they fought hard and were the last to surrender. > > Why does the U.S. military have helicopters named "Apache" and > "Comanche" - but none that are named "Arikara" or "Ojibwa?" They name > their weapons systems after the fiercest tribes, because they want some > of that fierceness to rub off. Back in the 1930s, the warrior spirit was > still strong in Indians and white men alike. At that time, the Oceti > Sakowin Hunkpapa Sioux elders of Standing Rock honored the University of > North Dakota by giving them permission to use the name "Fighting Sioux" > for their sports teams. At that time, many old people, both whites and > Indians, still remembered the last wars. Wounded Knee was more recent > for them than World War II is for us. Yet they saluted each other, > warrior to warrior. Because one fighting > people understands another. Today, the leftists tell us that the > "Fighting Sioux" name is an insult to Indians, and we must demand that > the university change it. I guess that goes for the Apache and Comanche > helicopters too. > I've written other columns on this issue. Everyone knows where I stand. > I'm with the Sioux elders, who believe that a warrior can respect and > honor his foe. Some people get it. Some don't. > > Keith Rushing doesn't. He's a black man from Hampton, VA, who wrote to > me February 22, in response to my February 13 column, > "Don't > > Walk the Black Man's Path." Mr. Rushing was "shocked" by my attitude. > "I'm sure you realize that the reference to the 'Fighting Sioux' is akin > to calling Native Americans wild Indians," he lectured me. "I'm a black > man but I've never quite understood why white-owned athletic teams have > this fantasy about fierce Indian warriors when they unfortunately > decimated so many Indian people. There's some sick irony involved > there." > In Mr. Rushing's view, the "fierce Indian warrior" is nothing but a > white "fantasy." We were not warriors, he implies, but poor, defenseless > victims who were "decimated" without putting up a fight. Mr. Rushing > seems to feel that there is more honor in being pathetic. Perhaps he > feels we should think of ourselves as alcoholic, > diabetic, suicidal and unemployed. No thank you. The white man may have > taken my land. But he took it like a warrior, fair and square. Yes, he > treated my people harshly. But he never denied their bravery, never > besmirched their memory as warriors. But you did, Mr. Rushing. You did. > > Dr. David A. Yeagley teaches humanities and psychology at Oklahoma State > University, Oklahoma City. His opinions are independent.He holds > degrees from Yale, Emory, Oberlin, University of Arizona and University > of Hartford. He is a member of the Comanche Tribe, Lawton, OK. > > For more information on Dr. Yeagley's initiative to teach patriotism in > the schools, click > http://www.frontpagemag.com/editors_note/en01-17-01.htm here. > > E-mail him at mailto:badeagle2000@yahoo.com badeagle2000@yahoo.com. > > E N D - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #439 *************************