From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #448 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Saturday, June 23 2001 Volume 02 : Number 448 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:33:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Rick Kruse Sun Oklahoma SSE Subject: Re: SENATE VOTES FOR BOY SCOUTS BY ONLY 2 VOTES-6 RINOS VOTE NO! (fwd) Not criticism here, just an observation: In the report below, the following was presented: > DeWine (R) No; Voinovich (R) No. Oklahoma: > > Inhofe (R) Yes; Nickles (R) Yes. Oregon: I don't know where DeWine and Voinovich hail from (I suppose I could have looked them up, but did not), but Senators Nickles and Inhofe represent OKLAHOMA, not OREGON. Please, let's make sure we disseminate correct information here... Best Regards. Rick Kruse Oklahoma "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" -- Aristotle >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:19:07 +0000 >From: "Charles C. Carter" >Subject: SENATE VOTES FOR BOY SCOUTS BY ONLY 2 VOTES-6 RINOS VOTE NO! > >IT IS TIME TO GET RID OF THE 6 REPUBLICAN "RINO" (REPUBLICANS IN NAME >ONLY) SENATORS THAT VOTED AGAINST OUR BOY SCOUTS, ALONG WITH ALL THE >DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THEM. THE SENATE SHOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THE >SCOUTS 100%, NOT JUST BY ONLY 2 VOTES WHAT HAS OUR SENATE COME TO? >SAD! >HERE ARE THE 6 "RINO" THAT ARE AGAINST OUR SCOUTS: > >SEN. CHAFEE, S.C. SEN. DEWINE, OK SEN. SPECTER, R.I >SEN SNOWE, MD SEN VOINOVICK, OK SEN. HAGEE, NEV. > >> ROLL CALL VOTES BY EACH SENATOR ARE BELOW. KEEP FOR YOUR RECORDS >> DURING ALL 2002 & 2004 SENATE ELECTIONS. CHAR > >> Write down the liberal votes on this issue and then vote them out. >> Lets dump Boxer and Feinstein in California.John >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Phil Sheldon >> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@concentric.net;;; >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:01 PMSubject: The vote to stand for no >> intimidation by militant homosexuals to punish boy scouts for not >> violating their oath. "Yes" vote was NO to intimidation. Specter votes >> "No" >> >> AP Washington >> >> Roll Call on Education Amendment >> >> By The Associated Press >> >> The 51-49 roll call Thursday by which the Senate voted to withhold >> federal funds from school districts that deny use of their facilities >> to the Boy Scouts because of the organization's exclusion of >> homosexuals. >> >> A ''yes'' vote was a vote to withhold the fundsand a ''no'' vote was a >> vote to not withhold the funds. >> >> Voting ''yes'' were 8 Democrats and 43 Republicans. >> >> Voting ''no'' were 42 Democrats and 6 Republicans and one independent. >> >> Alabama: >> >> Sessions (R) Yes; Shelby (R) Yes. Alaska: >> >> Murkowski (R) Yes; Stevens (R) Yes. Arizona: >> >> Kyl (R) Yes; McCain (R) Yes. Arkansas: >> >> Hutchinson (R) Yes; Lincoln (D) No. California: >> >> Boxer (D) No; Feinstein (D) No. Colorado: >> >> Allard (R) Yes; Campbell (R) Yes. Connecticut: >> >> Dodd (D) No; Lieberman (D) No. Delaware: >> >> Biden (D) No; Carper (D) No. Florida: >> >> Graham (D) No; Nelson (D) No. Georgia: >> >> Cleland (D) No; Miller (D) Yes. Hawaii: >> >> Akaka (D) No; Inouye (D) No. Idaho: >> >> Craig (R) Yes; Crapo (R) Yes. Illinois: >> >> Durbin (D) No; Fitzgerald (R) Yes. Indiana: >> >> Bayh (D) No; Lugar (R) Yes. Iowa: >> >> Grassley (R) Yes; Harkin (D) No. Kansas: >> >> Brownback (R) Yes; Roberts (R) Yes. Kentucky: >> >> Bunning (R) Yes; McConnell (R) Yes. Louisiana: >> >> Breaux (D) Yes; Landrieu (D) No.Maine: >> >> Collins (R) Yes; Snowe (R) No. Maryland: >> >> Mikulski (D) No; Sarbanes (D) No. Massachusetts: >> >> Kennedy (D) No; Kerry (D) No. Michigan: >> >> Levin (D) No; Stabenow (D) No. Minnesota: >> >> Dayton (D) No; Wellstone (D) No. Mississippi: >> >> Cochran (R) Yes; Lott (R) Yes. Missouri: >> >> Bond (R) Yes; Carnahan (D) Yes. Montana: >> >> Baucus (D) No; Burns (R) Yes.Nebraska: >> >> Hagel (R) No; Nelson (D) No. Nevada: >> >> Ensign (R) Yes; Reid (D) No.New Hampshire: >> >> Gregg (R) Yes; Smith (R) Yes. New Jersey: >> >> Corzine (D) No; Torricelli (D) No. New Mexico: >> >> Bingaman (D) No; Domenici (R) Yes.New York: >> >> Clinton (D) No; Schumer (D) No. North Carolina: >> >> Edwards (D) No; Helms (R) Yes. North Dakota: >> >> Conrad (D) Yes; Dorgan (D) Yes. Ohio: >> >> DeWine (R) No; Voinovich (R) No. Oklahoma: >> >> Inhofe (R) Yes; Nickles (R) Yes. Oregon: >> >> Smith (R) Yes; Wyden (D) No.Pennsylvania: >> >> Santorum (R) Yes; Specter (R) No. Rhode Island: >> >> Chafee (R) No; Reed (D) No. South Carolina: >> >> Hollings (D) Yes; Thurmond (R) Yes. South Dakota: >> >> Daschle (D) No; Johnson (D) Yes. Tennessee: >> >> Frist (R) Yes; Thompson (R) Yes. Texas: >> >> Gramm (R) Yes; Hutchison (R) Yes. Utah: >> >> Bennett (R) Yes; Hatch (R) Yes. Vermont: >> >> Jeffords (I) No; Leahy (D) No. Virginia: >> >> Allen (R) Yes; Warner (R) Yes. Washington: >> >> Cantwell (D) No; Murray (D) No. West Virginia: >> >> Byrd (D) Yes; Rockefeller (D) No. Wisconsin: >> >> Feingold (D) No; Kohl (D) No. Wyoming: >> >> Enzi (R) Yes; Thomas (R) Yes. > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- >An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no >weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his >hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a >on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:34:53 -0400 From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Re: SENATE VOTES FOR BOY SCOUTS BY ONLY 2 VOTES-6 RINOS VOTE NO! (fwd) The information was presented correctly, the format was a little confusing since the state appeared on the previous line that contained the Senators names. Look at the beginning of the list and you'll see how it works out. Regards, Tom At 11:33 AM 6/16/01 -0500, you wrote: >Not criticism here, just an observation: > > >In the report below, the following was presented: > > > DeWine (R) No; Voinovich (R) No. Oklahoma: > > > > Inhofe (R) Yes; Nickles (R) Yes. Oregon: > > >I don't know where DeWine and Voinovich hail from (I suppose I could have >looked them up, but did not), but Senators Nickles and Inhofe represent >OKLAHOMA, not OREGON. > >Please, let's make sure we disseminate correct information here... > >Best Regards. > >Rick Kruse >Oklahoma > > > "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought > without accepting it" -- Aristotle > > > > >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:19:07 +0000 > >From: "Charles C. Carter" > >Subject: SENATE VOTES FOR BOY SCOUTS BY ONLY 2 VOTES-6 RINOS VOTE NO! > > > >IT IS TIME TO GET RID OF THE 6 REPUBLICAN "RINO" (REPUBLICANS IN NAME > >ONLY) SENATORS THAT VOTED AGAINST OUR BOY SCOUTS, ALONG WITH ALL THE > >DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THEM. THE SENATE SHOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THE > >SCOUTS 100%, NOT JUST BY ONLY 2 VOTES WHAT HAS OUR SENATE COME TO? > >SAD! > >HERE ARE THE 6 "RINO" THAT ARE AGAINST OUR SCOUTS: > > > >SEN. CHAFEE, S.C. SEN. DEWINE, OK SEN. SPECTER, R.I > >SEN SNOWE, MD SEN VOINOVICK, OK SEN. HAGEE, NEV. > > > >> ROLL CALL VOTES BY EACH SENATOR ARE BELOW. KEEP FOR YOUR RECORDS > >> DURING ALL 2002 & 2004 SENATE ELECTIONS. CHAR > > > >> Write down the liberal votes on this issue and then vote them out. > >> Lets dump Boxer and Feinstein in California.John > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Phil Sheldon > >> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@concentric.net;;; > >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:01 PMSubject: The vote to stand for no > >> intimidation by militant homosexuals to punish boy scouts for not > >> violating their oath. "Yes" vote was NO to intimidation. Specter votes > >> "No" > >> > >> AP Washington > >> > >> Roll Call on Education Amendment > >> > >> By The Associated Press > >> > >> The 51-49 roll call Thursday by which the Senate voted to withhold > >> federal funds from school districts that deny use of their facilities > >> to the Boy Scouts because of the organization's exclusion of > >> homosexuals. > >> > >> A ''yes'' vote was a vote to withhold the fundsand a ''no'' vote was a > >> vote to not withhold the funds. > >> > >> Voting ''yes'' were 8 Democrats and 43 Republicans. > >> > >> Voting ''no'' were 42 Democrats and 6 Republicans and one independent. > >> > >> Alabama: > >> > >> Sessions (R) Yes; Shelby (R) Yes. Alaska: > >> > >> Murkowski (R) Yes; Stevens (R) Yes. Arizona: > >> > >> Kyl (R) Yes; McCain (R) Yes. Arkansas: > >> > >> Hutchinson (R) Yes; Lincoln (D) No. California: > >> > >> Boxer (D) No; Feinstein (D) No. Colorado: > >> > >> Allard (R) Yes; Campbell (R) Yes. Connecticut: > >> > >> Dodd (D) No; Lieberman (D) No. Delaware: > >> > >> Biden (D) No; Carper (D) No. Florida: > >> > >> Graham (D) No; Nelson (D) No. Georgia: > >> > >> Cleland (D) No; Miller (D) Yes. Hawaii: > >> > >> Akaka (D) No; Inouye (D) No. Idaho: > >> > >> Craig (R) Yes; Crapo (R) Yes. Illinois: > >> > >> Durbin (D) No; Fitzgerald (R) Yes. Indiana: > >> > >> Bayh (D) No; Lugar (R) Yes. Iowa: > >> > >> Grassley (R) Yes; Harkin (D) No. Kansas: > >> > >> Brownback (R) Yes; Roberts (R) Yes. Kentucky: > >> > >> Bunning (R) Yes; McConnell (R) Yes. Louisiana: > >> > >> Breaux (D) Yes; Landrieu (D) No.Maine: > >> > >> Collins (R) Yes; Snowe (R) No. Maryland: > >> > >> Mikulski (D) No; Sarbanes (D) No. Massachusetts: > >> > >> Kennedy (D) No; Kerry (D) No. Michigan: > >> > >> Levin (D) No; Stabenow (D) No. Minnesota: > >> > >> Dayton (D) No; Wellstone (D) No. Mississippi: > >> > >> Cochran (R) Yes; Lott (R) Yes. Missouri: > >> > >> Bond (R) Yes; Carnahan (D) Yes. Montana: > >> > >> Baucus (D) No; Burns (R) Yes.Nebraska: > >> > >> Hagel (R) No; Nelson (D) No. Nevada: > >> > >> Ensign (R) Yes; Reid (D) No.New Hampshire: > >> > >> Gregg (R) Yes; Smith (R) Yes. New Jersey: > >> > >> Corzine (D) No; Torricelli (D) No. New Mexico: > >> > >> Bingaman (D) No; Domenici (R) Yes.New York: > >> > >> Clinton (D) No; Schumer (D) No. North Carolina: > >> > >> Edwards (D) No; Helms (R) Yes. North Dakota: > >> > >> Conrad (D) Yes; Dorgan (D) Yes. Ohio: > >> > >> DeWine (R) No; Voinovich (R) No. Oklahoma: > >> > >> Inhofe (R) Yes; Nickles (R) Yes. Oregon: > >> > >> Smith (R) Yes; Wyden (D) No.Pennsylvania: > >> > >> Santorum (R) Yes; Specter (R) No. Rhode Island: > >> > >> Chafee (R) No; Reed (D) No. South Carolina: > >> > >> Hollings (D) Yes; Thurmond (R) Yes. South Dakota: > >> > >> Daschle (D) No; Johnson (D) Yes. Tennessee: > >> > >> Frist (R) Yes; Thompson (R) Yes. Texas: > >> > >> Gramm (R) Yes; Hutchison (R) Yes. Utah: > >> > >> Bennett (R) Yes; Hatch (R) Yes. Vermont: > >> > >> Jeffords (I) No; Leahy (D) No. Virginia: > >> > >> Allen (R) Yes; Warner (R) Yes. Washington: > >> > >> Cantwell (D) No; Murray (D) No. West Virginia: > >> > >> Byrd (D) Yes; Rockefeller (D) No. Wisconsin: > >> > >> Feingold (D) No; Kohl (D) No. Wyoming: > >> > >> Enzi (R) Yes; Thomas (R) Yes. > > > >-- > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! > >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > >An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > >weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > >hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > >on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > > > Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >- > > > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:11:15 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: zero tolerance for zero tolerance (fwd) From: Swftl@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 02:37:18 EDT Subject: {slick-d} zero tolerance for zero tolerance ] Fwd: [Liberty Outlook] Zero tolerance for zero tolerance Date: 06/21/2001 6:22:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: ckuecker@mcs.net (Chuck Kuecker) Reply-to: concealcarry@yahoogroups.com To: concealcarry@yahoogroups.com >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 06:39:29 -0700 >Reply-To: liberty_outlook@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Liberty Outlook] Zero tolerance for zero tolerance > >"...why can't they play as children have played throughout history?" > >Because we live down the rabbit hole, in an age of insane PC BS? > >Mark Laythorpe >http://www.sdlp.org/ >Editor, SDLP Newsletter "Liberty!" >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/liberty_outlook >_______________________________________________________ > >NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, >this material is distributed, without profit, for research or >educational purposes to those who have expressed a prior interest. > >http://civilliberty.about.com/newsissues/civilliberty/library/weekly/aa0= 6200 >1a.htm > >Dateline: 6/20/01 > >Zero tolerance for zero tolerance >Parents and politicians are nursing belated doubts about rigid school >discipline >By J.D. Tuccille > >Have you ever stared in horror from the passenger seat of a friend's car= as >he blissfully guided the two of you into oncoming headlights, spaced out= to >the point that he's oblivious to your shouted warnings of impending doom= ? At >the last moment he yanks the steering wheel to the right, averting >catastrophe. "Damn," he says. "Why didn't you say we were about to crash= ?" > >Well, that's how a lot of people feel about the growing realization that >zero-tolerance policies in the public schools have been a disaster. "Wow= ," >parents and politicians chirp as eight-year-olds are hauled off in handc= uffs >for playing cops-and-robbers in school. "Maybe busting tots for innocent >play isn't the way to go. Who'd've thunk?" > >Oh please. Hand over the steering wheel, already. > >Here in the middle of another June, many parents, school administrators = and >journalists are looking back at a school year strewn with the wreckage o= f >young lives and the further deterioration of public education into a >national concentration camp for those too young to vote. To many, it's >all-too-apparent that this is not a pleasant vista. Even through the >rose-colored glasses donned by adults who no longer have to shuffle from >class to class by the dictates of a bell, youth no longer looks fun. > >How can being a child be fun when eight-year-old Hamadi Alston and his >friend Jaquill Shelton of Irvington, New Jersey, faced arrest and prosec= utio >n for playing with a paper gun? > >They were spared actual trials only by a judge with a modicum of common >sense. > >The Washington Post quoted Keith Harvest, the prosecutor in the case, as >saying: "They have to realize they can't act like that anymore." > >Really? And why can't they play as children have played throughout histo= ry? > >Upset by officials' conduct in the case, Irwin Hyman, a Temple Universit= y >school psychology professor, suggests: "This can destroy their confidenc= e in >authority and can turn them off to school for life." > >Hyman isn't actually recommending that Hamadi and Jaquill turn against t= he >authorities and schools, but that would indeed be a healthy lesson. The = only >good thing that could come from this case would be for the boys to gain = a >jaundiced view of officialdom and a preference for educating their own >children in the years to come through any means other than the public >schools. > >But that's the future and this is now, and right now, angry parents in L= os >Angeles have had enough of fences, metal detectors and pat-down searches. >According to the Los Angeles Times, a lawsuit has been filed by the pare= nts >of eight students at Locke High School with the assistance of the ACLU. > >At Locke, campus staff and security guards use metal detector wands, pat >students down and inspect backpacks, purses and other belongings, accord= ing >to the suit. In addition, the suit alleges that adult males at times sea= rch >female students in violation of school district policy. > >The announced purpose of the searches is to deter students from bringing >weapons to school =E2=80=94 though not one gun has been found since the = policy was >implemented. Officials might claim that's because the searches are doing >their jobs, but that's not the case. Los Angeles Times columnist Steve L= opez >visited the school himself to check on conditions. > >When I had a chance, I circled the perimeter of Locke High. Students had >told me that getting a gun on campus did not take any great work of geni= us. >... >Along this route, I saw roughly 6 million places to stash a knife or a g= un. >There are places where, if you wanted, you could park a cannon. > >Is that really a surprise? Prisoners in high-security lock-ups manage to >make or smuggle weapons on a regular basis, even though they're confined= to >institutions where most of their rights have been suspended. Public high >schools can't be expected to do better with kids who come and go every d= ay. > >It's something of a mystery that schools even try. As Kathryn Chandler o= f >the National Center for Education Statistics told the Washington Post, >"violence in schools is a rare event." > >Not only is schoolyard violence rare, it's been declining in frequency, = no >matter the occasional horrible headline. Columbine and similar bloody >eruptions justifiably horrify people, but basing school policies on such >incidents is as rational as planning your retirement around the expectat= ion >of winning the lottery. > >Of course, in a litigious age, school administrators want to shield >themselves from expensive lawsuits. Subjecting children to police-state >tactics can be an effective tactic for convincing judges and juries that >everything possible has been done to weed out the bad seeds, should the >worst happen. > >But the American Bar Association recently passed a resolution condemning >zero-tolerance policies in schools. That means that the very folks from = whom >educational pencil pushers are trying to insulate themselves are on reco= rd >as rejecting the chosen means of insulation. > >Hey, we warned you about those oncoming headlights. > > =C2=A9 2001 About.com, Inc. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >http://washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A21476-2001Jun19?language=3Dprinter > >Wednesday, June 20, 2001; Page A03 > >2 Boys, a Paper Gun And a Heap of Trouble >Zero-Tolerance Policies Out of Hand, Critics Say >By Christine Haughney >Washington Post Staff Writer > >IRVINGTON, N.J. -- When 8-year-old Hamadi Alston pointed a paper gun at = his >classmates in March and announced, "I'm going to kill you all," he said = he >was only playing cops and robbers. But his words launched him and a >classmate on a grim trip through the juvenile justice system. > >Police charged the boys with making "terroristic threats." A judge >ultimately dismissed the case, but the incident may remain in court reco= rds >until the boys are 18. > >"I learned that you can't play cowboys and Indians," Hamadi said as he s= pun >in his attorney's stuffed conference room chair and gripped a plastic cu= p >between his teeth. > >That is a lesson being delivered in more and more schools as officials >institute zero-tolerance policies that include turning children over to = the >criminal justice system for punishment of what was once seen as childhoo= d >play. > >Critics say the treatment of Alston and his classmate -- 8-year-old Jaqu= ill >Shelton, who was accused of giving Hamadi the paper weapon -- is a >nationwide trend that tags children with undeserved criminal records. Th= ey >say the efforts reflect a misguided reaction to the wave of school shoot= ings >across the United States. > >"The message has gone out: 'Don't joke about threats in school,' " said >Ronald Stephens, executive director of the National School Safety Center= in >Westlake Village, Calif. "But 8 years old is awfully young." > >Nationwide, 41 percent of elementary school principals reported less-ser= ious >violent and nonviolent crimes to police during the 1996-97 school year, >according to the Department of Education. A growing number of law >enforcement officers refer those cases to the courts. The most recent FB= I >statistics show a 33 percent jump in court referrals for children under = the >age of 13 between 1988 and 1997, according to Howard Snyder, systems >research director of the National Center for Juvenile Justice. > >Most of these cases involve minor crimes such as theft, said Kathryn >Chandler, a statistician with the National Center for Education Statisti= cs. >"Violence in schools is a rare event." > >School administrators in Irvington say they had no choice but to have th= e >children arrested and charged. An agreement between county education and= law >enforcement officials requires schools to immediately notify police when= a >student is believed to have made a threat, said Ethel Davion, the school >system's assistant superintendent for academic affairs. > >"They have to realize they can't act like that anymore. You never know w= hen >one is going to be serious and carry it out," said Keith Harvest, an Ess= ex >County assistant prosecutor who handled the case of the paper gun. > >And, however Draconian they are, such policies will prevent the sort of >school violence that claimed 31 lives nationwide last school year, offic= ials >said. > >"I feel very sorry for what those two boys had to endure," said Andrea >McElroy, Irvington's school board president. "They were children playing= a >child's game. Unfortunately for everyone, the wrong words were used." > >Some analysts and educators believe, however, that Irvington officials >exposed Hamadi and Jaquill to needless trauma. "These kids are now known= as >the kids who were arrested and charged with a terroristic threat," said >Jason Ziedenberg, a senior policy analyst with the Justice Policy Instit= ute. > >"This can destroy their confidence in authority and can turn them off to >school for life," said Irwin Hyman, a Temple University school psycholog= y >professor who has counseled children involved in these cases. > >The American Bar Association passed a resolution in February opposing >zero-tolerance policies that mandate "expulsion or referral of students = to >juvenile criminal court." The report, which notes that many of these cas= es >end up in criminal court, shows that several have resulted in jail time. > >"Enough is enough," said Robert Schwartz, an attorney with the Education= Law >Center in Philadelphia who pushed for the resolution. "It's unfortunate = that >administrators believe federal law requires them to arrest kids for thin= gs >that they say." > >Following passage of the Gun-Free Schools Act in 1994, states were requi= red, >in return for federal funding, to design laws to expel students for one = year >if they are caught bringing weapons to school. > >States drafted laws with various definitions of weapons and lengths of >expulsion. Some school boards established their own policies, creating a >quilt of sometimes overlapping regulations. > >At Augusta Street Elementary School, which Hamadi and Jaquill attend, Da= vion >noted five policies that substitute principal Margaret George had to fol= low >upon receiving word of the threat and finding a weapon -- even a paper >weapon -- in school. > >"We're not above federal and state law," she said. "We're following poli= cy. >That's the basis of a good school system." > >Still, there's the decision to treat a paper gun as an actual weapon. Th= e >boys' parents say that they don't even let their sons play with toy guns. > >"We're talking about 8 years old with a piece of notebook paper," said >Ronald Alston, Hamadi's father. > >The case, they say, began somewhere between the boys' bathroom and their >second-grade classroom. The boys -- both honor roll students -- discover= ed a >piece of lined paper so well folded into a gun that their parents believ= e it >could only have been the creation of an older child. > >According to a police report that lists Hamadi's height as "four feet fo= ur >inches" and his facial hair as "not applicable," Hamadi intimidated his >classmates by holding a paper gun in his right hand and threatening to k= ill >them. When a teacher's aide asked him about the paper gun, he told her i= t >belonged to Jaquill. > >The threat and the paper gun prompted George to follow steps laid out in= the >school's weapons and violence procedures. She called the Irvington polic= e, >the superintendent's office and the children's parents. > >The police arrived and took away the boys, their parents and the paper g= un. >The boys spent the next four hours in the precinct under arrest and the = next >day in juvenile court. > >The police said they too had little choice in the matter. "When they han= d >them over to us, we have little recourse except to file the charges and = let >the judge figure it out," said Irvington police chief Steven Palamara. > >Since the school district introduced a zero-tolerance policy in December= , >the police department has received as many as four calls a week from the >city's eight elementary schools. The calls have dropped to about one a w= eek >since the paper gun incident. Palamara's officers have been resolving mi= nor >cases themselves -- such as one involving a child who brought a water gu= n to >school. But they say that they must check most cases with the local >prosecutor. > >Each time there's a school shooting elsewhere, Harvest said, Irvington >schools refer more cases to the prosecutor's office. "They're not taking= the >time to make those judgment calls anymore," he said. > >In Hamadi's and Jaquill's case, the prosecutor recommended that the judg= e >drop the case and refer the boys to a probation officer. But the boys' >attorneys said the probation hearing dragged on because the boys would n= ot >say that they had done something wrong. > >"In their mind, all [they] did was play with some paper," said Ronald >Alston. > >Other parents are divided over the matter. They praised the school's tou= gh >policies even as they called the treatment extreme. "I love this school,= " >said Brenda Cummings, whose daughter attends the first grade. "I don't t= hink >they should have brought them up on terrorism charges." > >"It was overkill," agreed Dorothy Jackson, who works with Alston's mothe= r >and whose son Randolph Young Jr. is in the boys' class. > >School officials say they now will require that principals seek advice f= rom >counselors before referring some cases to the police. But the district a= lso >promoted the acting principal who referred the boys to the police. > >"What would the discussion be if the kids carried out the threat?" asked >Davion. > >Hamadi's and Jaquill's parents are working with their attorneys and talk= ing >to local legislators about removing the legal taint of juvenile records. >Hamadi's parents say that the missed school days and the comments from h= is >classmates and teachers have not hurt his strong grades. > >But they watch him closely. "I'm going to protect my son until the end," >said his father. - --=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RK= BA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath n= o weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand =3D Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy= a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Chr= ist - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:28:21 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: COLORADO STATE REP.LESLIE MICHAELS TARRED AND (fwd) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:20:49 +0000 From: "Charles C. Carter" Subject: COLORADO STATE REP.LESLIE MICHAELS TARRED AND FEATHERED http://www.gtrt.org HYSTERICAL STORY BELOW FROM COLORADO! THESE "GHOST PATRIOTS" NEED TO COME TO CALIF.AND MANY OTHER STATES TO REMIND OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE WRITTEN "OATH" AND PLEDGE THEY ALL TOOK TO OUR U.S. CONSTITUTION, BILL OF RIGHTS.AND TO THE TAXPAYING PEOPLE.OF AMERICA. SEND THIS STORY TO YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS! CHAR, CALIF. From: "Dave Russell" Subject: Fw: CO STATE REP. LESLIE MICHAELS TARRED AND FEATHERED(http://www.gtrt.org Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:44:25 -0500 Could it have really happened? You bet it could!! More and more people are becoming fed up with elected officials taking an oath to defend the Constitution and Bill of Rights and then lying through their teeth and doing just the reverse. Sooner or later, things like this may actually become a reality. Dave Russell, CCPR Crestview, Fl - ----- Original Message ----- From: Novie & Pat To: Dave Russell ; Chuck Odom ; Gail ; Jimmy Cayson Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: Fw: CO STATE REP. LESLIE MICHAELS TARRED AND FEATHERED(http://www.gtrt.org This is RICH. Check out the website and www.gtrt.org/currentgunlawsin107.htm. Novie - ----- Original Message ----- From: Novie & Pat Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:15 PM Subject: CO STATE REP. LESLIE MICHAELS TARRED AND FEATHERED(http://www.gtrt.org CO State Rep. Leslie Michaels Tarred and Feathered! by Tom Buchanan April 1, 2001, Denver Colorado State Representative Leslie Lee Michaels was found Tuesday morning bound and gagged at the base of the Civil War Memorial statue on the west side of the Capital building. She was drenched from the top of her head to her feet in molasses and covered with turkey feathers. Around her neck was a large sign with bright red letters that stated, "I VOTED AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION." In front of her were poster sized copies of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights. It was all she had to look at for the fourteen hours she was strapped to the statue. Ms. Michaels was found around 9:00 AM by a group of history students who arrived for a tour of the Capital building. "We thought it was a reenactment of a tar and feathering which was a popular deterrent against tyranny during the Revolutionary period instituted by the Sons of Liberty on tax collectors," said one student, "It was so realistic". The group admired the display as Leslie tried to hide her shame. "It was awesome!" declared another student. "We thought they put the display on just for us because we are studying the American Revolution in class." When Representative Michaels was finally released from her bondage by a State Capital guard at 9:45 AM, she sobbed uncontrollably and recounted her ordeal. It appears that Ms. Michaels was working on yet another in the series of 'reasonable gun control laws'. She was working late in her office at the Capital, putting the final touches on her new proposal to stop the 'Classified Ad' loop hole of gun sales. The new legislation would be a defacto ban on the private sales of firearms. It (HB 0666) requires all transactions be done at the business of a Federal Firearms dealer. It requires a back ground check on both the buyer and the seller of any firearm sold in Colorado. Ms. Michaels stated that as she was walking toward her automobile at 6:30 PM on Monday night a group of people dressed in Revolutionary War costumes quickly over came her, swept her off of her feet and gagged her. They took her around to the West steps of the Capital which has been a popular location for demonstrations throughout the years. When they got there they relieved her of her outer garments and lashed her to the base of the Civil War Memorial statue. "I was terrified!" she recalled. "If I would have had a gun I may have been able to prevent this horrible experience." After she was bound to the bronze statue she was tormented by the men and women for more than an hour. "They called me a traitor to freedom and liberty," she said through her tears. "I have heard these types crying out to stop these new laws for years, but I never really thought they were serious." she said. One person brought out a huge five gallon bucket of molasses and poured it on top of her head. The slowly moving, sticky substance eventually covered her entire body. She said that two women approached her each carrying a large trash bag. One at a time the they dumped the contents of the bags over her. "I will never forget the stench of those turkey feathers as they covered my face. "They taunted me for about fifteen more minutes. They read to me the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights and one of them set those Founding documents in front of my face to study. They threatened me with a return trip if I ever voted against the rights of the individual again. They kept repeating the oath of office that I took whereby I swore to uphold and defend the Constitution," she sheepishly stated. More surprising was the way Representative Michaels said that her abductors left. "It was so very strange," she said, "As they slowly walked away I heard the distinctive sound of a drum and fife and the far away sound of a lonely bag pipe player. When they got about twenty five feet away they just slowly vaporized into thin air and were gone. It was chilling! The arrow points to the Civil War Memorial where Rep. Leslie Michaels was bound, and ceremoniously tarred and feathered by "Ghost Patriots". After Representative Leslie Michaels cleaned up after the harrowing experience at the hands of what she described as "Ghost Patriots" she announced that she would be taking a week away from her duties to concentrate on studying the Founding documents and to renew her Oath of Office with a new outlook on her duties as a State Representative. Before she left the Capital grounds she removed from consideration any pending legislation that she had proposed that would in any way restrict the freedom and liberty of the people or grant any more restrictive powers to the government. Ms. Michaels ended her news conference by saying "I have realized that we can only push people so far! I will take a closer and more careful look at every proposed piece of legislation put before me and ask if this law will inhibit the free will of the people or not. Further more, I will begin the task of repealing any legislation currently on the books that does not pass Constitutional muster. I have seen the light of a new day and I believe I have been shown the way to preserve the Rights of the People and indeed the very State of Colorado and the United States!" I woke up with a start! The dream had been so real that I rushed out to get the Denver newspaper to look for the story. But alas, it was only wishful thinking, a dream, a work of fiction! Email Tom For more of Tom's writing Click Here 2001Tom Buchanan - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:29:38 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: Re: Military studies "weapons control" (fwd) Maybe it's time we raised some cane with our Critters about just what Un- Constitutional crap our Military is/isn't allowed to play with. Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 02:57:24 -0600 From: Jim Zoes Subject: Military studies "weapons control" The military is going to learn how to disarm the people. Or so this article implies. They're going to "roll play" this time, followed by a "tactical experiment" by the Marines later. Well, this should be interesting. Wanna bet they use gun registration lists, NICS or gun store records to find out who has the guns? http://www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=196559 Friday, 22 June 2001 14:58 (ET) War game to be held next week WASHINGTON, June 22 (UPI)-- The Potomac Institute for Policy Studies' Center for Emerging Threats and Opportunities will conduct a two-day strategy-policy war game on Wednesday and Thursday. The event will be the second in a series of war games called Project Lincolnia, which explores the tactical, operational, and strategic aspects of urban warfare. Lincolnia II will examine weapons control issues in an urban environment, and will look at how nonlethal weapons and other new technologies might be used in humanitarian crises... ...The Lincolnia series is unique because the strategy and policy alternatives developed in next week's game will form the basis for subsequent games at the operational and tactical levels... ...As the cease-fire is implemented, it becomes evident that a weapons control process is needed to reduce civilian casualties, restore the cease-fire, and provide security for the humanitarian relief effort. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:51:29 -0500 From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: H.R. 1146 & Republic or Democracy? June 22, 2001 Dear liberty activist, H.R. 1146 - American Sovereignty Restoration Act is now featured in our current legislation section. H.R. 1146 would withdraw the United States from the United Nations and prohibit U.S. armed forces from serving under U.N. command. Herbert W. Titus, our senior legal advisor, has written an analysis of H.R. 1146. In his analysis, Mr. Titus argues: 1. The Charter of the United Nations is illegitimate; having never been lawfully ratified. 2. The Charter of the United Nations unlawfully delegates congressional and presidential war powers. 3. The United Nations General Assembly has no lawful power to require the United States to pay dues to the United Nations. 4. The Charter of the United Nations unconstitutionally usurps power reserved to the states by the Tenth Amendment. 5. H.R. 1146 - The American Sovereignty Restoration Act is the only viable solution to the continual abuses by the United Nations. A brief description of H.R. 1146 and a link to Mr. Titus's analysis (HTML format and Adobe PDF format) is at http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/bills/?bill=39551 For people who use Webtv or don't have Adobe Acrobat Reader, Mr. Titus's "America: Republic or Democracy?" is now available in HTML. Go to http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/repdemstart.htm Kent Snyder The Liberty Committee http://www.thelibertycommittee.org - -- Bob in Mississippi - State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") My PGP Public Key(s): RKBA! - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #448 *************************