From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #464 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Monday, September 10 2001 Volume 02 : Number 464 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:15:50 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: God, Guns, Government & History (fwd) From: Bob James Subject: God, Guns, Government & History Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 18:16:28 -0500 From: DAnde1706@aol.com [mailto:DAnde1706@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: God, Guns, Government & History The web pages God, Guns, Government & History - You, Your Government & Your Rights, have been restored. [Bob James] Awesome site! It is well worth spending the time reading through the site. http://members.ll.net/chiliast/GGGH/index2.html is the URL just in case anyone missed it. Bob - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 23:22:05 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: another anti-gun amendment coming (fwd) From: Swftl@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 23:38:29 EDT Subject: {slick-d} another anti-gun amendment coming Subj: [cp] FW: Chuck Schumer -- Another Anti-gun Amendment Coming Date: 09/06/2001 8:05:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: hempmuseum@surfnetinc.com (Max Baer Robinson) Reply-to: cp3@yahoogroups.com To: hempmuseum@surfnetinc.com - -----Original Message----- From: Gun_Owners_of_America@mailmanager.net [mailto:Gun_Owners_of_America@mailmanager.net] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 17:34 To: gunowners_members@mailmanager.net Subject: Chuck Schumer -- Another Anti-gun Amendment Coming Calls Needed to Sink Another Anti-gun Schumer Amendment Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org (Thursday, September 6, 2001) -- They're baaack! Yes, the Congress is back, and our liberties are under fire once again. You will remember that in July, Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) offered an amendment to force the FBI to keep gun buyers names for at least 90 days. After you guys contacted your Representatives, the Moran amendment failed miserably by a vote of 268-161. Now, Mr. Anti-Freedom himself -- Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer of New York -- wants to require the FBI to register gun buyers. Attorney General John Ashcroft recently reduced the registration period to 24 hours, but Schumer & Co. want to ratchet that time period back up to at least 90 days. Sen. Schumer is reportedly looking to offer his amendment to the Senate's Commerce-Justice-State budget bill (S. 1215). Gun owners should ask their Senators to vote AGAINST the Schumer amendment. Obviously, the best answer would be for Congress to repeal the unconstitutional Brady registration law. Short of that, Congress should enact the original Smith amendment which passed the Senate by a 69-31 vote in 1998. The Smith language calls for the "immediate destruction" of ANY and ALL information that might help identify lawful gun buyers. Moreover, the bill specifically authorizes private individuals to sue the FBI for registering gun owners and specifically offers to compensate them for legal fees when they sue the FBI. ACTION: While the Senate could vote as early as today on this amendment, it probably will not get to it until at least next Tuesday. Please use the prewritten text below to help direct your comments to your Senators. You can call your Senators at 202-224-3121. To identify your Senators, as well as to send a message via e-mail, see the Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm on the GOA website. - ----- Pre-written message ----- Dear Senator: Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is planning to offer an amendment forcing the FBI to violate the privacy of thousands upon thousands of law-abiding Americans. The Senator wants the FBI to keep the names of decent gun buyers for at least 90 days. I urge you to oppose this amendment should Sen. Schumer offer it to the Commerce-Justice-State bill (S. 1215). I think the Senate should reenact the Smith amendment from 1998 -- an amendment which passed by a 69-31 vote. His language required the "immediate destruction" of ANY and ALL information that might help identify lawful gun buyers. Gun Owners of America will be keeping me updated on this issue. Sincerely, ************** - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 23:46:04 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: Latest from the Brady Bunch (fwd) Indeed, a Love Fest such as one could only find under a rock. Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:35:01 -0400 From: "R. Lunn" Subject: Latest from the Brady Bunch They asked me to send this drivel to my friends. For you Mass. readers, not endorsement of Cheryl whose last name rymes with fakes. Read it and choke... - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 16:40:46 -0400 From: Brady E-Action Response Network Reply-To: do_not_reply@bradycampaign.org Subject: Brady E-Action Response Network Alert For 9/6/2001 ===================================== BRADY E-ACTION RESPONSE NETWORK ALERT ===================================== Issue: 7 - 9/6/2001 HIGHLIGHTS COME TOGETHER: A NIGHT FOR JOHN LENNON BENEFITTING THE BRADY CENTER AND THE MMM MASSACHUSSETTS SPECIAL ELECTION URGE YOUR SENATORS TO SUPPORT THE REED BILL BRADY CAMPAIGN PRAISES JOHNS HOPKINS STUDY IN-DEPTH COME TOGETHER: A NIGHT FOR JOHN LENNON BENEFITTING THE BRADY CENTER AND THE MMM Come together at New York City's Radio City Music Hall on September 20 to honor the legendary John Lennon with musical guests including: Alanis Morisette, Beck, Cyndi Lauper, Lou Reed, Marc Anthony, Moby, Nelly Furtado, Seal, Shelby Lynne, Stone Temple Pilots and others. Kevin Spacey will host the evening's event. The concert, benefiting the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence united with the Million Mom March will celebrate the life and work of the legendary musician, John Lennon. Turner Network Television (TNT), in association with Ken Ehrlich Productions and Yoko Ono are the presenters of this special event. The concert is scheduled to broadcast on TNT on October 9. Kenneth Cole, a strong supporter of ours will be hosting a cocktail reception prior to the concert at the Rockefeller store near Radio City Music Hall. Join us at for this extraordinary event and preceding cocktail reception! RSVP early-- tickets are selling out quickly! Purchase your tickets now through our Web site or call our events line at 202-218-4646. Visit our Web site at MASSACHUSSETTS SPECIAL ELECTION State Senator Cheryl Jacques is running for Congress to fill the vacancy of the late Joe Moakley. Cheryl Jacques, recently endorsed by the Brady Campaign and the Boston Globe, is the true leader for gun safety in the Massachusetts legislature, working for five long years to pass a gun safety bill that is among the toughest in the nation. The Democratic primary is Tuesday, September 11, so please show your support by voting for Cheryl Jacques. To donate or volunteer for State Senator Jacques's campaign, please contact the campaign directly at 781-449-9072. To read more about the Boston Globe's support of State Senator Jacques, visit the Boston Globe's Web site at: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/247/editorials/9th_district_endorsements+.shtml URGE YOUR SENATORS TO SUPPORT THE REED BILL Congress is back in session, and it is not too late to fax your Senators a letter urging them to support Senator Jack Reed's bill to close the gun show loophole. The Reed Bill would ensure that all firearm sales at gun shows would be subject to Brady Law criminal background checks, thus preventing thousands of criminals and prohibited purchasers from easy access to guns and saving countless lives. To read more about the Reed Bill and to send a fax to Congress, visit our Web site at: BRADY CAMPAIGN PRAISES JOHNS HOPKINS STUDY The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence applauded a new study issued last week, which shows that states with gun owner licensing and gun registration have been more successful at keeping guns out of the hands of criminals than states without such measures. To read our press release on this study, visit us at PASS IT ALONG! Please pass this message along to friends, family members, and colleagues so they too can take a stand for sensible gun laws. SUPPORT BRADY CAMPAIGN AND BRADY CENTER To make a contribution to the Brady Campaign, go to: . To make a contribution to the Brady Center, go to . You may also contact us by phone at (202) 898-0792 or mail in your contribution to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence or the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence; 1225 Eye Street; Suite 1100; Washington, DC 20005. Sptember 6, 2001 ### - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:50:45 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: Congressional Alert (fwd) From: DAnde1706@aol.com Subject: Congressional Alert Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:04:32 EDT In a message dated 9/7/01 11:52:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 therepublican@ideasign.com writes: [Note: The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to= the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people". I would like for our national representatives to show Constitutional authority for the bills described below. Of course there is none, but if pressed, justification would be found in some vague wording reflecting how these issues affect "interstate commerce", which has become the favorite tool to circumvent Constitutional limitations on federal power. - Tony] FWD via: TRADITIONAL VALUES COALITION TVC NEWS Vol. 4, Issue 36, September 7, 2001 http://www.traditionalvalues.org CONGRESS BACK IN SESSION Congressmen came back from their summer recess to a flurry of unresolved legislative issues. TVC has been tracking and lobbying on several dangerous= pieces of legislation, plus bills that will promote traditional values and protect religious freedom and the family. To recap the legislation we have been following: S. 625: The Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act of 2001. This is a Ted Kennedy hate crimes bill adding homosexuality as a protected behavior under= federal law. It will also provide funds for schools and governments to create 'safe schools' curriculum that will promote the homosexual agenda and demonize those who oppose homosexuality. S. 1284: The Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA). This is another Kennedy bill co-sponsored by Republican turncoat, now Independent, quasi-Democrat Jim Jeffords of Vermont and Representative Barney Frank (D-MA), a homosexual activist. ENDA is a homosexual quotas bill that will provide special legal protections for homosexuals in the workplace and criminalize criticism of homosexuality by employers and employees. S. 1 and H.R. 1: These bills are basically identical pieces of legislation.= They were originally the Bush Administration's education reform bills, but were hijacked by liberals. Each bill contains expanded spending on federal programs in education. However, S. 1 contains the Helms Amendment, which forbids federal money going to schools or governments that deny the Boy Scouts access to public facilities. This amendment may be stripped out in conference committee. TVC will be lobbying members to prevent this. H.R. 7, the Community Solutions Act, is a bill that is the foundation of President Bush's faith-based initiative. If passed by both Houses of Congress, it will allow religious groups to receive federal funding without= strings just the same as secular groups. Homosexuals are trying to turn this into a hate crimes bill by adding a requirement that religious groups must abide by local pro-homosexual anti-discrimination laws if they receive= federal dollars. TVC is actively working to stop this amendment. [Note: Take Federal money and live with Federal mandates. - Tony] H.R. 2805, the Post-Abortion Depression Research and Care Act. This will provide $15 million to the National Institutes of Health to develop treatment programs for women who suffer from post-abortion depression. H.R. 2505, the Weldon-Stupak Human Cloning Prohibition Act, was passed by the House in August. It will be debated in the Senate. A fierce fight is expected. H.R. 2052 and S. 180, the Sudan Peace Act was offered to help end the slaughter of men, women, and children in a bloody civil war in Africa. This= legislation will condemn slavery and human rights abuses and put economic pressure on The Sudan to stop its genocidal war against Christians and other non-Muslims. An amendment to this bill offered by Rep. Spencer Baucus (R-AL), would prohibit foreign oil conglomerates working in the Sudan from dipping into American investment markets by listing their shares on the New York Stock Exchange. The amendment passed 422-2 last June. According to a September 8 article in WORLD magazine, oil interests are pouring over $500 million annually into the coffers of the Sudanese government. Two of the major oil conglomerates are the Communist Chinese National Petroleum Corporation and Canada-based Talisman Energy. Talisman=EDs CEO James Buckee says he will pu= ll out of Sudan if he can=EDt be listed on the New York Stock Exchange [Forwarded For Information Purposes Only - Not Necessarily Endorsed By The Sender - A.K. Pritchard] - ------------------------------ A.K. Pritchard http://members.ll.net/chiliast/ To subscribe to "The Republican" email list - just ask! therepublican@ideasign.com "If the Constitution is to be construed to mean what the majority at any given period in history wish the Constitution to mean, why a written Constitution?" - --Frank J. Hogan, President, American Bar Assn. (1939)=20 - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:51:58 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: ACLU Sued for Invasion of Privacy (fwd) From: DAnde1706@aol.com Subject: ACLU Sued for Invasion of Privacy Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:11:30 EDT In a message dated 9/7/01 9:58:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, therepublican@ideasign.com writes: ACLU Sued for Invasion of Privacy John L. Perry, NewsMax.com Saturday, Sept. 8, 2001 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/7/154354.shtml Man bites dog is news. Now someone's suing the American Civil Liberties Union, possibly the nation's most-litigious liberal group, for - gasp! - invasion of privacy. The number of times the ACLU has dragged others into court for every conceivable abrogation of political correctness would be hard to assess. This time it's the ACLU that's on the other end of the litigation stick. It has to do with a suit filed in a county court in Nashville, Tenn., by a university sophomore who says the ACLU invaded his privacy by publishing his photograph depicting him as a convicted criminal in one of its issue advertisements. The ACLU has an advertising campaign going against the evils of America's jam-packed prisons. 'But I'm Innocent ?' In this particular ad, designed to resemble a wanted poster, the headline reads: "They Finally Found an Answer to Overcrowded Prisons. Smaller Prisoners." To illustrate the ACLU's point of view, there, displayed as if he were a juvenile prisoner, is the photo of one Jai Taylor. Problem is Jai Taylor is no prisoner. Nor is he a wanted criminal. What he really is are two other things: * He is a student in good standing, with no police record, at Tennessee State University, in Nashville. * He is sore as a boil at the ACLU. Not to Be Taken Lightly Worse yet for the ACLU, his mom, Shirley A. Wallace, is right there with him. Together, mother and son filed suit in Davidson County Chancery Court, saying the ACLU never got Jai's permission to use his photo in the ad or told him it was going to use it. The ad does more than display Jai's likeness. Its text recounts court cases in which juveniles have been prosecuted as adults for crimes, subjecting, the ad says, "small and vulnerable" youths to "rape and violence" when imprisoned with adult criminals. Jai and his mother are suing not only the ACLU - which ran the ad in such prominent places as New Yorker magazine and Savoy, a monthly catering to upscale black readers - but also the photographer and ACLU's advertising agency, DeVito/Verdi. It seems the photo was taken back in 1997, when Jai, now 18, was but a freshman in high school. Jai and his mother acknowledge they granted the right to the photographer, Tamara Reynolds, who took the shot as part of a theater class, to use it only once - but in "a religious family magazine.'' Not a Flattering Portrayal Jai told the Nashville Tennessean he first became aware of the ad when another college student told him she had recognized his face in a magazine and asked: "Are you on a work-release program? Is that how you are going to college?" If Jai wins his suit, he will be able to answer: "No. The American Civil Liberties Union is having to pay me enough money to put me through four years of college and then graduate, medical or law school." Not to mention an unspecified sum for punitive damages. A spokeswoman for the ACLU dismissed Jai's lawsuit as "without merit" - which is precisely how some people feel about suits the ACLU has filed against them. John L. Perry, a prize-winning newspaper editor and writer who served on White House staffs of two presidents, is senior editor for NewsMax.com. [Forwarded For Information Purposes Only - Not Necessarily Endorsed By The Sender - A.K. Pritchard] - ------------------------------ A.K. Pritchard http://members.ll.net/chiliast/ To subscribe to "The Republican" email list - just ask! therepublican@ideasign.com Annoy a Fascist: Just Say No to Gun Control! Annoy a Liberal: Think! >From Mark E. Howerter's Web Page "The Other Side of the News" http://www.otherside.net/ - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:24:46 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: Latest issue of 2ndAmendmentNews. (fwd) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 20:19:14 -0400 From: Brad3000 Subject: SRA - SAS: Latest issue of 2ndAmendmentNews. - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Latest issue of 2ndAmendmentNews Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:26:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Second Amendment News To: sanewslist@direct-action.org * * * * 2ndAmendmentNews * * * * WHITE HOUSE UNRESPONSIVE ON GUN BAN SUNSET By Weldon Clark This affects the nation. So far the Bush White House has refused to answer the following letter from South Carolina Representative Dwight Loftis. It is published here with his permission. They have also refused to answer by personal letter on the same subject. It is up to you to send in your letters to President Bush and your own congressman to get them to stand up for our rights. E-mail will not do the job here. DO NOT ASSUME THEY WILL TAKE OUR SIDE. Place them on record with your own US mail letter. Also send your own letter to your own Congressman. This ban effects almost all the rifles used in rifle competition (except small bore) including the state and national matches, collecting and guns used for hunting. From The 2ndAmendmentNews Team Writing your CONGRESSMAN OR STATE LEGISLATORS can now be accomplished=20 at the speed of light. Use URLs as follows: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ Contacts for federal & state legislators http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm You can call your two Senators at (202) 224-3121 and your Representative at (202) 225-3121 at the Capitol Switchboard. Here are the URLs for the United States Congress Official list of House of Representatives members by state http://clerkweb.house.gov/107/olm107.php3 Official list of House of Representatives members with phone numbers http://clerkweb.house.gov/107/mcapdir.php3 Official list of House of Representatives members mailing addresses http://clerkweb.house.gov/107/mbrcmtee/mailinglists/ASCIImemberlabels.txt Here are the URLs for the United States Senate Official list of members by state http://www.senate.gov/senators/senator_by_state.cfm Official list of members alphabetically dig on name to get address Phone fax and e mail (the individual Senators have different pages) http://www.senate.gov/senators/index.cfm U. S. Attorney General John Ashcroft, U.S. Depart. Of Justice 950 Pennsylvania Ave., NW Washington, DC 20530-0001 AskDOJ@usdoj.gov President George W. Bush, The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW,=20 Washington, DC 20500 president@whitehouse.gov Under Secretary Bolton U. S. Department of State 2201 C Street NW, Washin= gton,=20 DC 20520 (202) 647-4000 Secretary@state.gov To spread the word call Rush Limbaugh at 800-282-2882 and callers may call in from 12 noon to 3PM EST, M-F Letter from House of Representatives State of South Carolina Dwight A. Loftis District No. 19 =96 Greenville County August 16, 2001 - ----------------- President George W. Bush =09 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington, DC 20500 Dear President Bush: It has come to my attention that some of your White House staff has indicated that you support continuation of the so-called assault weapons ban of 1994. I understand this band will sunset in 2004. In 1994 Congress passed an importation and manufacture ban on the very type firearms that the U.S. Supreme Court said were protected by the Constitution in their U.S. vs. Miller decision in 1939. The America people rewarded this unconstitutional behavior in Congress by electing Republican majorities in both Houses in 1994 for the first time in 40 years. Your Attorney General John Ashcroft was reported to have said that an exception to allow support of firearms laws is of compelling government interest. I submit to you that in the case of the so-called assault weapons ban, no such compelling government interest exist. In the South Carolina General Assembly, I was the House sponsor of a successful repeal of a ban on the ownership and possession of rifles, pistols and shotguns that were made under contract to the United States Government. This law covered many more firearms than the law in California and the federal ban on so-called assault firearms. Firearms owners were very pleased and there was no protest from the media or anyone else. No additional crimes were credited to this repeal. Nothing bad happened. I would ask your consideration to allow this ban to sunset as scheduled in 2004. Sincerely, Dwight A. Loftis * * * * * DIRECT ACTION is grassroots activism at its best!=20 2ndAmendmentNews is part of the growing network of state and local groups fighting for our rights. To subscribe or unsubscribe from 2ndAmendmentNews, please send your request with correct email address included to sanews-request@direct-action.org To reach the publishers with your alerts or suggestions for future articles, please send your mail with correct email address to sanews@direct-action.org Please feel free to forward and circulate this newsletter! And check out these other grassroots projects in the network .... To receive Neal Knox's bi-monthly newsletter, send a contribution of $25 or more to The Firearms Coalition, Box 3313, Manassas, VA 20108. For current news and legislative updates contact, call 1-900-225-3006 (89 cents per minute) or visit http://www.NealKnox.com (free) and go to "Scripts from the Firearms Coalition Legislative Update Line". Learn "What To Do If The Police Come To Confiscate Your Militia Weapons" at http://www.SecondAmendment.net The Georgia Sport Shooting Association wants you! A free shooting events list is published every two weeks. Sign up at http://www.gssa.com Be sure to track the battle for our rights in the front-line state of Maryland at http://www.direct-action.org - --=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RK= BA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath n= o weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand =3D Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy= a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Chr= ist - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 21:35:00 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: 'Ghosts' Group Threatens IRS Employees (fwd) From: Steve Moser Subject: {SD-2} * 'Ghosts' Group Threatens IRS Employees Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:45:50 -0500 >From Offshore & Privacy Club newsletter 9/2/2001 http://offshore-privacy.com * 'Ghosts' Group Threatens IRS Employees Mysterious warning targets agency workers for attack A group calling itself the "Ghosts of the Revolution" has issued a threatening warning to the Internal Revenue Service, claiming that agents, employees and IRS offices could be targeted for attacks after Sept. 1. "This warning is given to all Americans now employed by the Internal Revenue Service," the group said in a four-page communiqu=E9, a copy of which was provided to WND. "The IRS is a criminal organization in the service of collectivists and socialists. A condition of war now exists between free Americans and the IRS," said the warning. "The failure of the IRS to conduct itself in a lawful manner has brought about the need for this action." Several copies of the communiqu=E9 were sent out Aug. 6, bearing a Casper, Wyo., postmark. The warning comes just weeks before tax reform advocates, congressional supporters and officials from the IRS and Justice Department are to meet in Washington, D.C., to discuss the nature, scope and legality of the federal income tax and the 16th Amendment. The hearings - scheduled for Sept. 25 and 26 - are still on, despite the threat, said tax-reform expert and author Bob Schulz, who plans to attend and participate. Schulz is director of We the People Foundation, a tax reform group that is also sponsoring the hearings. Besides Schulz, tax-reform advocate Devvy Kidd, tax attorney Larry Becraft and former IRS agent Joe Banister - all hearings participants, too - also received copies. Schulz said Rep. Roscoe Bartlett, a Maryland Republican who helped arrange the hearings, also received a copy. He said he and Bartlett discussed the communiqu=E9 last week when Schulz visited Bartlett in his Washington office. However, no one in Bartlett's office was available on Friday to confirm or deny whether the congressman received a copy of the warning. Schulz said the contents of the communiqu=E9 weren't made public until this week because recipients said they weren't sure what to do. But he did say recipients immediately contacted the FBI. A spokesman at the bureau's headquarters in Washington told WND he had not heard of the communiqu=E9. But Peter Gulotta, an FBI spokesman in the bureau's Baltimore office - in Bartlett's district - said the agency "was aware of the threat." "I don't know where the threat originated, but we're taking it seriously and looking into it," he told WND. Schulz also said he had been interviewed by agents from the Treasury Department, but the agency did not return phone calls for confirmation. Schulz said he wasn't sure if the communiqu=E9 was sent by "a competitor" or not, but he suggested it could even have come from a government agency. He noted that all of the recipients, ironically, are associated in some way with this month's hearings. Some experts say the warning could be the work of a "provocateur" - - either a government agent or other faction seeking to discredit the tax reform movement specifically in advance of next month's hearings, or simply to discredit the movement in general. The group claims it sent copies of its statement to other media outlets, including newspapers, television stations, magazines, and "select Internet sites." One such Internet newssite, The Sierra Times, reported that the communiqu=E9 "warns citizens to avoid IRS facilities beginning Sept. 1." Schulz told WND he did not in any way sanction the violence alluded to in the communiqu=E9. "That's not who I am," Schulz said. "I don't condone that kind of behavior. We don't want to see anyone hurt." Meanwhile, Schulz said negotiations were moving ahead in selecting tax-reform attorneys and experts to present evidence and make arguments during the upcoming hearings. However, Schulz refused to say whether his group had selected a "lead counsel" to head up the team. A week ago, WND reported that Robert Bernhoft had stepped down as the group's lead counsel. "I wish the foundation and the other interested Americans success," he told WND, saying he wasn't "at liberty" to discuss the details of why he stepped down. "The federal income tax is a slave tax. We're a free people; we're not slaves. There are so many constitutional violations and legal problems with the current tax as it's imposed and collected that the tax will unwind eventually, somehow," he said. Mike Bodine, a spokesman for the foundation, cited "personality differences" as the reason why Bernhoft resigned. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D24304 COMMENT: This is an interesting development, and we wouldn't put it past the government to fake this implied and threatened violence to discredit the entire tax protest movement (just as it's beginning to gather serious steam). Past government antics to vilify opponents in an unlawful manner have been commonplace. After all, the biggest lawbreaker in any nation is the lawmakers' agencies themselves (but only for "the common good" of course). The rest of us are expected to follow the rules, but government does not, unless it's convenient to do so. If these letters are in fact genuine, then it's a shame that they have more potential to sabotage the tax protest movement than to assist it. Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent, and we are not nearly so desperate at this point in time as to initiate random violence against government representatives. Only if all alternatives are exhausted, and the government itself brutal and violent and merciless in its efforts to suppress its citizens, could violence be suggested as a viable protest policy. We are not at that point yet and fervently hope that we will never will be. - --=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RK= BA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath n= o weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand =3D Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy= a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Chr= ist - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:38:29 -0700 From: Bill Vance Subject: a perfect example of what's wrong with cops (fwd) From: Swftl@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:05:20 EDT Subject: a perfect example of what's wrong with cops Dear Editor: I had a very disturbing conversation with a member of local law enforcement the other day. It was during a break while we were volunteering at car seat safety check. With over 99% of child car seats installed incorrectly, it=E2=80=99s probably the best way to not ha= ve to deal with dead or dying kids during my day job working for an ambulance service. I have no recollection of how we started about talking about the Constitution, but one remark shook me. He said, "We need to rewrite the Constitution. As it was written in the 1870=E2=80=99s, it really does= n=E2=80=99t work any more." Trying to keep my voice even, and not even correcting his obvious gaff, I said, "Oh, really? What parts in particular?" "Like the 4th Amendment. If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn=E2=80=99= t have any problem with letting the police search your car or your house. The only people who are protected by the 4th are criminals with something to hide." I was stunned. Didn=E2=80=99t they teach him Constitutional Law when he w= as in the law enforcement academy? Or even history while he was in high school? Just to keep the conversation moving, I asked, "Anything else?" "Yeah, the First Amendment needs some work too. The press has entirely too much power." Tentatively, I said, "I can=E2=80=99t say that I=E2=80=99ll agree with yo= u there as I write a weekly column for a local arts and entertainment newspaper." I hoped he wouldn=E2=80=99t recognize me from my column as it looks at ne= ws from a different bent. It=E2=80=99s also as Libertarian as I can push pas= t my editor--I go out of my way chronicling the folly of the war on drugs, push a pro-2nd Amendment agenda as hard as I can, sarcastically point out the misuses of our civil rights destroying bloated and mismanaged government on all levels from city to state to federal and much more. Thankfully, he didn=E2=80=99t recognize me as I had skewered some local l= aw enforcement practices just the week before and had no desire for a body cavity search. He seemed a bit uncomfortable as we talked about some of the left leaning reporters in the other media for a few minutes. Then I asked him if there was anything else wrong with the Constitution as it was written. He rolled his eyes and said, "Don=E2=80=99t even get me started on the 2n= d Amendment." He then went on a long-winded discourse on how only police and military were =E2=80=98qualified=E2=80=99 to have guns. He sto= pped as my eyes glazed over with the effort it took to bite my tongue. I wish that I could say that I was able to convince him of the error of his ways. To tell you the truth, I didn=E2=80=99t even try as I knew a hopeless cause when I saw one. I took a couple of deep breaths, nodded and then went to find some more car seats to check. Crawling through backseats infested with moldering french fries was much better than having to deal with this example of our city=E2=80=99s finest. Afterwards, and while replaying back the conversation in my head, I did resolve that I would more fully learn my rights and exercise them. I have a concealed weapons permit from a previous job and intend to keep it and will exercise it by carrying my evil high capacity Glock 9mm as often as I can. If pulled over, I will not allow the police to search my car for any reason unless they go to the trouble of getting a search warrant. My children have been instructed to never allow a police officer into the house without a search warrant. I will make more effort in pointing out civil rights violations to the readers of my column. Most importantly, I will work to see that my children are free thinkers who won=E2=80=99t follow the cr= owd and that they should question governmental authority. In the course of my work, I spend a lot of time with local law enforcement and I=E2=80=99m finding the attitudes displayed by this offic= er are more and more the norm most particularly with younger officers. I don=E2=80=99t know if it=E2=80=99s from the dumbing down of the education= al system, the slant of media, pressures from command staff or the quality of people being hired into law enforcement, but it looks like it=E2=80=99s g= oing to be a dark future. Joe Collins (mfross@derbyworks.net) - --=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RK= BA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath n= o weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand =3D Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy= a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Chr= ist - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #464 *************************