From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #474 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Monday, November 12 2001 Volume 02 : Number 474 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 17:33:05 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Vance Subject: NID Poll (fwd) - ----------------------- begin forwarded message from libertymls@yahoo.com --------------------- From: libertymls@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:23:08 -0500 Subject: NID Poll November 9, 2001 ALERT: WHAT WILL YOU DO ABOUT NATIONAL I.D.? Powerful people in government and industry are pushing for a biometric national ID system in the name of "anti-terrorism." In fact, national ID is nothing less than a key -- and very long-held -- agenda item in the establishment of a police state. Hitler had national ID. Stalin had it. President Bush has said he's not interested -- but movers and shakers in Congress, the military, intelligence agencies, and perhaps even the Bush cabinet *are* interested. The question is: What will you do if national ID becomes an American reality? Take a stand now. Take the new CCOPS poll at http://www.ccops.org/ Tell your friends to pass this poll on to everyone. The Liberty Crew ========================================================== Mary Lou Seymour Liberty Activists http://www.libertymls.com/libertyactivist/ - ----------------------------------------------------- Liberty Books http://www.libertymls.com/la.htm Self Reliance Books http://www.libertymls.com/book1.html - ----------------------------------------------------- Think the info in the Liberty Activist news is worth 2 cents? http://two-cents-worth.com/?104799&libertymls@yahoo.com - ----------------------------------------------------- Gulchers guide http://www.libertymls.com/gulch/ ===================================== Free State Project http://www.freestateproject.com/ ==================================== "A libertarian is a person who believes that no one has the right, under any circumstances, to initiate force against another human being, or to advocate or delegate its initiation. Those who act consistently with this principle are libertarians, whether they realize it or not. Those who fail to act consistently with it are not libertarians, regardless of what they may claim." L.Neil Smith, http://www.smith2004.org/ - ----------------------- end forwarded message from libertymls@yahoo.com --------------------- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On THee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:30:04 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Vance Subject: Bush calls out MILITIA (fwd) - ----------------------- begin forwarded message from semperfidave@juno.co= m ----------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:26:26 -0500 Subject: Bush calls out MILITIA From: semperfidave@juno.com I doubt my phone call to Sen. Santorum and half a dozen congressmen, pointing out the 30 million PRIOR MILITARY SERVICE individuals PLUS the citizen population which makes up the MILITIA and IS our nations FIRST and BEST form of "Homeland Defence & Security", had any thing to do with this. BUT... it is rewarding to see someone fell off the bench and woke up.. NOW all YOU have to DO, is CALL YOUR LOCAL SHERIFF and tell him YOU are READY TO VOLUNTEER. IF you don't .... EXPECT the LEFT to "draft" all the "poor" living on "entitlements". So now is the time to quit waving your CHINESE made AMERICAN FLAG and jump on the band wagon, while the MILITA can still speak ENGLISH! Semper fi; Dave =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 Sierra Times=20 An Internet Publication For Real Americans =A0=20 Bush Calls out Militia to Assist Homeland Security=20 Report By J.J. Johnson 11.09.01=20 In a speech to a weary public at the World Congress Center in Atlanta Thursday, President George W. Bush did not call out the unorganized militias of the several states officially, but came as close as he could without saying the "M" word. He called for an unprecedented volunteer program for new modern civil defense service to work on a local level, to help keep America safe from further terrorist attacks.=20 Although the word 'militia' has been demonized over the last decade, it has its roots in American history and Constitutional law, as Congress is granted the power to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions. In a war that will require Americans to do all three, Bush called upon them - without mentioning them by name. =20 "Our citizens have new responsibilities. We must be vigilant. Obviously, we must inspect our mail, stay informed on public health matters," said the President.=20 Under current U.S. law, the organized militia is defined as all citizens between the ages of 17 and 47 (up to 65 for prior military service) who are not in military service.=20 "Many ask, 'What can I do to help in our fight?' The answer is simple. All of us can become a September the 11th volunteer by making a commitment to service in our own communities," he said.=20 Bush called for participation in neighborhood watch or Crimestopper programs. He also stated, "You can become a volunteer in a hospital, emergency medical, fire or rescue unit. You can support our troops in the field and, just as importantly, support their families here at home by becoming active in the USO or groups in communities near our military installations."=20 In a clear statement giving no indication of another federal bureaucracy, Bush stated, "We will ask state and local officials to create a new modern civil defense service, similar to local volunteer fire departments, to respond to local emergencies when the manpower of governments is stretched thin." 'Civil Defense' is a phrase that until Thursday was all but lost in the American lexicon.=20 Bush, who spent much of the day at the Center for Disease Control Headquarters in Atlanta stated, "We will find ways to train and mobilize more volunteers to help when rescue and health emergencies arise. Americans have a lot to offer, so I've created a task force to develop additional ways people can get directly involved in this war effort, by making our homes and neighborhoods and schools and workplaces safer."=20 Bush also gave credit to front line warriors who, some say deserved it the most - Postal Workers - who have been fighting off an Anthrax attack nationwide, with over 30,000 now taking antibiotics.=20 Clatsop County, Oregon Sheriff John Raichl announced Monday plans to recruit and train a civilian force to help law enforcement protect critical community resources during times of heightened security. This measure was not taken favorably by the Governors office in Salem, the state's capitol.=20 Because the proposal calls for volunteers to carry firearms, Clatsop County Sheriff John Raichl's defense force appears to amount to a kind of militia, according Steve Marks, the governor's chief of staff.=20 Only the governor has the authority to form such groups, Marks said.=20 But since Bush stated the words "modern civil defense service" and that fact that a Sheriff has the constitutional right to deputize civilians, Bush's speech trumps the governor, and giving the Oregon Sheriff (and others who choose) a nod of approval. Not all call up duty need be armed, however.=20 "Many ask, 'What can I do to help in our fight?' The answer is simple. All of us can become a September the 11th volunteer by making a commitment to service in our own communities. So you can serve your country by tutoring or mentoring a child, comforting the afflicted, housing those in need of shelter and a home, " Bush said.=20 "We all have new responsibilities. Our government has the responsibility to hunt down our enemies, and we will," he stated firmly. Bush also addressed fear mongering in his 32 minute speech saying, "We will not give in to exaggerated fears or passing rumors. We will rely on good judgment and good old common sense".=20 Bush used a battle cry that has become common from the September 11 airline passengers who became warriors on Flight 93, asking Americans to use the same optimism and courage - noting that among Todd Beamers last words, were the Lord's Prayer.=20 "We cannot know every turn this battle will take, yet we know our cause is just and our ultimate victory is assured. We will no doubt face new challenges, but we have our marching orders."=20 Bush then broke from standard protocol by stating in closing: "My fellow Americans, let's roll."=20 =A0=20 =A0=20 Permission to reprint/republish granted, as long as you include the name of our site, the author, and our URL. www.SierraTimes.com All Sierra Times news reports, and all editorials are =A9 2001 SierraTimes.com (unless otherwise noted)=20 SierraTimes.com=99 A Subsidiary of J.J. Johnson Enterprises, Inc. =A0=20 =A0=20 - ----------------------- end forwarded message from semperfidave@juno.com = - ----------------------- - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- RKBA! ***** Blessings On THee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-= 19! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath n= o weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand =3D Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy= a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Chr= ist - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= - --- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:19:36 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Vance Subject: SRA - Emerson Appeal Money Requested... (fwd) - ----------------------- begin forwarded message from Brad3000 --------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:43:02 -0500 From: Brad3000 Subject: SRA - Emerson Appeal Money Requested... FYI - Pls Read and give if possible as decisions can always be over-turned on appeal... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave LaCourse" To: "Dave LaCourse" Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:56 PM Subject: Emerson Case Update: Defense Fund $$ needed!!! Dear Second Amendment activist, This is an urgent plea on behalf of the Second Amendment, Dr. Emerson and all the gun owners in America. The Fifth Circuit Emerson decision will be appealed. While the court clearly and articulately held that the Second Amendment is an individual right, Dr. Emerson is still facing federal felony charges because of an anti-gun rights prosecutor. But to conduct a proper defense, Dr. Emerson's attorneys need funds immediately. The Second Amendment Foundation is sending a check tomorrow for his defense, but it is not for the full amount requested by his attorneys. Attorneys David Guinn and Aaron Clements are great and care about the Second Amendment and Dr. Emerson. They aren't trying to get rich, but they are declining other clients in order to take this case and need adequate funding to get the job done right. This case is literally the most important Second Amendment case in over a half century. And if we lose this appeal, then the gun grabbers will unleash the mother-of-all gun control proposals. Without the fear of the Second Amendment, their real agenda will be revealed once again - gun bans! Please help us today, as the appeal must be filed by November 13, 2001 and funding for the appeal must begin right now. The SAF Emerson Defense Fund is tax-deductible and your contributions will help your right to firearms ownership today, tomorrow and forever. Please give $1000, $500 or $100, $50, $25 or whatever you can afford to this crucial effort. This case is too important to lose for lack of funding. I repeat, the entire Emerson decision upholding the Second Amendment as an individual right is at risk in this appeal, which is why this defense fund wasn't announced sooner. Whether we win or lose could rest on how much people contribute to this worthy cause. Please contribute on-line today via our secure server here: https://wwws.mainstream.net/saf/contribute/contribute_form.html Or, please call 425-454-7012 to make a donation over the phone during Pacific Time Business Hours with your credit card, or send your check of money order made out to SAF Emerson Defense to the following address: SAF Emerson Defense 12500 NE 10th Place Bellevue, WA 98005 Or, you can fax a credit card donation to 425-451-3959. Please give today, as the rights you save may be your own. Sincerely, Dave LaCourse SAF Legal Affairs Director P.S. Please give today, as we must make sure that Dr. Emerson's attorneys have the support they need. Please review the press release below for more details. Thanks for your time. To unsubscribe, please simply hit reply and say "unsubscribe." SECOND AMENDMENT FOUNDATION LAUNCHES THE EMERSON DEFENSE FUND For Immediate Release: Contact: Alan Gottlieb (425) 454-7012 BELLEVUE, WA - The Second Amendment Foundation has launched a defense fund to assist Dr. Timothy Joe Emerson in these continu- ing appeals. The move is to help preserve the stunning 5th Circuit Court of Appeals decision upholding the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution as an individual right. "The Emerson decision was a huge victory for all law-abiding gun owners as we finally established in a very thorough and well-researched opinion that the Second Amendment is an individual right," stated Alan Gottlieb, Founder of the Second Amendment Foundation. "Now we must fight to preserve this win in appeals and hopefully even build on the decision to make it even stronger." Because the court's decision in U.S. v Emerson was to reverse and remand a lower court ruling that cleared Dr. Timothy Joe Emerson of a federal violation of the 1994 Domestic Violence Act, Dr. Emerson's attorneys David Guinn and Aaron Clements will be appealing the portion of the decision which would force Dr. Emerson to endure a trial for a boilerplate civil divorce court restraining order that ended with the finalization of the divorce. "Continuing to prosecute Dr. Emerson for a long-since expired order is unfair and just plain wrong since Dr. Emerson has been cleared of all domestic violence related charges in state court by a jury of 9 women and 3 men in less than an hour of deliber- ations," reminded Gottlieb. "Until the government agrees to drop the simple possession of a firearm while subject to a civil divorce court order, both Dr. Emerson and the Second Amendment remain at risk." "I call on all the other national, state and local gun owner civil rights groups to join with the Second Amendment Foundation in funding this all-important legal battle," added Gottlieb. In the Emerson appeal decision, the 5th Circuit clearly ruled that the Second Amendment guarantees the right of an individual citizen to keep and bear private arms, "regardless of whether the particular individual is then actually a member of the militia." Writing for the majority, Judge William Garwood noted that the government's long-standing interpretation of the 1939 Miller case, that the Second Amendment merely expresses a "collective right" is not supported by the actual Miller decision. "The wisdom of this decision must be preserved," said Gottlieb. "As a leader in firearm owner civil rights defense, the Second Amendment Foundation is very proud to be working closely with Dr. Emerson's attorneys to protect the Second Amendment and hopefully end this nightmare for Dr. Emerson once and for all." The Second Amendment Foundation is the nation's oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. SAF previously has funded successful firearms-related suits against the cities of Los Angeles, New Haven, CT, and San Francisco on behalf of American gun owners. Current projects include a damage action lawsuit against the cities suing gun makers, an amicus brief in support of the Emerson case holding that the Second Amendment is an individual right, a lawsuit against the Clinton gun and magazine ban and a lawsuit in Cincinnati supporting the right of self-defense carry of firearms. Please visit the best Emerson webpage at http://www.saf.org - -END- - ----------------------- end forwarded message from Brad3000 --------------------- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On THee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:49:55 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Vance Subject: THIRTY-TWO STUPID YEARS (fwd) - ----------------------- begin forwarded message from Charles Riggs --------------------- Subject: Fwd: THIRTY-TWO STUPID YEARS Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:48:43 -0500 From: Charles Riggs - ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 11/12/01 10:09 AM Received: 11/12/01 12:32 PM From: L. Neil Smith, lneil@ez0.ezlink.com To: 000 L. Neil Smith, lneil@ezlink.com THIRTY-TWO STUPID YEARS By L. Neil Smith Excerpted from _The Libertarian Enterprise_ #147 http://www.webleyweb.com/tle For many years, I've been saying that the overarching tragedy of our species is that our best attributes -- courage, integrity, most of all intelligence -- are not additive in character. Two people aren't braver than one person, nor more principled under pressure, nor are they any smarter. On the other hand, our worst attributes -- chiefly brute force -- are additive. Two people are inarguably stronger than one. Another attribute human beings possess is a regrettable propensity to react to sufficiently shocking events by allowing themselves to be stampeded like buffalo straight over the nearest cliff. This attribute is called stupidity. It may be the most additive human attribute of all. Thirty-two years ago, as a result of the voluntary cooperation of tens of thousands of human beings (admittedly and deplorably at the involuntary expense of millions of taxpayers) attempting to add their intelligence together, three men climbed into something very like a large conical dumpster and allowed themselves to be blasted into space toward the single large natural satellite of humanity's native planet. Once there, two of them descended from orbit, walked around, planted a flag, took some samples, then climbed back into lunar orbit and came home. A great deal has been said, in the three decades that have passed since that event, about that mission and its meaning. Three pretty stupid decades, thirty-two stupid years, in the view of those who'd hoped that landing on the Moon might somehow change the destiny of humanity. In some ways, it is the noblest thing that human beings have ever accomplished. In some ways it is the silliest and most futile. We all supposed that it was a first step -- for all of humanity -- toward the stars. That part turned out to be a very ugly, painful lie. What NASA's Apollo XI mission has come to represent instead, historically and psychologically, is a not-so-cheap publicity stunt, commemorating not the purposefulness and the power of the unfettered human mind, but the purposelessness -- and the power -- of the modern managerial state. Others have said it better than me. Victor Koman's great _Kings of the High Frontier_ identified and forced us to confront a reality many were loathe to acknowledge: any rational analysis of the government's "space program" reveals that its principal commission is to prevent ordinary, non-government-approved human beings from ever leaving the Earth. I don't recall that Koman ever offered a coherent reason for this, beyond a reluctance we know too well, on the part of those who believe they own us, to let go of our lives. As Freeman K. Dyson put it, once we get out there among the asteroids, the IRS will never find us. But there's another reason, one I don't remember if I've written publicly about (I've mentioned it in private correspondence), but which I think represents a more compelling motivation to keep all of humanity penned up on this mudball than mere power. Unless something very difficult to change, changes nonetheless, we'll be penned up here forever, and our children, and their children, until the sun burns out. Remember Robert A. Heinlein's _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_, one of the cornerstones of the libertarian movement? If I'm right, it's also one of the cornerstones of the government's effort to keep us trapped here on Earth. The other cornerstone, as it were, is the epoch-making work of Walter Alvarez, who discovered that the dinosaurs were probably wiped out by a giant rock falling on this planet from space. Alvarez showed us what falling rocks can do. Heinlein showed us how to make them fall. You and I read books like Heinlein's to inspire us in our struggle for freedom, but there are dweebs who work for the government who read books like _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_ to feed the paranoia of a new parasitic class. Remember those geeky kids you run into at science fiction conventions, usually unkempt and overweight, wearing makeshift uniforms and armbands or badges that say "security"? Eventually, some of them grow up to populate the NSA, NASA, and the Office of Homeland Security. Sieg heil. They are the Security Class; they will be the death of the human race, or at least of its dreams, which amounts to pretty much the same thing. Quite aside from the resources that are about to be squandered taking our military frustrations out on innocent 10-year-old goatherds and pregnant women (to the tune, in real wealth, of about one Apollo-style moon mission a month), and the resulting cripplingly disastrous monetary inflation that will curse our next generation as surely as night follows the day, you and I will never be allowed into space because we might launch a rock from the Moon (or simply nudge a handy meteoroid) and do to Chicago or Beijing what nineteen murderous fanatics did to the World Trade Center. Now that it's actually happened, the Security Class has all the "proof" any paranoid requires to believe that you and I can never, ever be trusted. Earth is forever to become one enormous, high-walled, unescapable sanitarium, run by its sickest, most pathetic patients. And we will never get to the Moon again. We will never get to Mars. We will never get to Pallas or Ceres or 5023 Eris or to the stars. Unless ... The place to begin, I think, is at the nation's airports, where the Security Class was born. I'm going to say again -- until one of the culprits twitches or burps or screams in protest (I accept that none of them will ever apologize or admit that I was right) -- that I tried as hard as I could to warn the 1977 Libertarian Party national platform committee of the danger to liberty that the then new airport security measures posed. I was sneered at and shouted down by the same LPista morons who now approve the insane, immoral bombing of Afghanistan. A popular war is all the proof anyone needs that intelligence is not additive. Everyone who ardently hopes that he or she -- or maybe just our species in general -- has some kind of future Out There beyond Earth's increasingly stuffy atmosphere needs to begin right now to exert every bit of political pressure possible to accomplish three tightly-braided objectives. First, all 25,000-odd gun laws in this country must be repealed, nullified, or otherwise disposed of. Second only to this country's psychotic foreign policy, they are what make America vulnerable to terrorism. Second, as a subset of the first objective, universal reciprocal Vermont Carry must become the rule in this country. Laws suppressing the unalienable individual, civil, Constitutional, and human right -- of every man, woman, and responsible child to obtain, own, and carry, openly or concealed, any weapon, rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything, any time, any place, without asking anyone's permission -- led directly to what happened on September 11. Those savage attacks could never have occurred without victim disarmament to make them possible. Third, as a subset of the second objective, both the government and the airlines must be prevented from keeping people from carrying their weapons with them in flight. Contrary to the opinion of many, airlines are corporations, and as such, simply an extension of the government. They have no rights. They do have a positive obligation, on the other hand, to enforce the Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment. Ending victim disarmament is only the first step. The abysmal political events that have followed September 11 are a clear signal that it's time to dismantle the security state totally and forever. Every time some idiot suggests that you give up any part of your liberty for the sake of "safety", remind him that the most famous advocates of that philosophy ended up being tried and hanged at Nuremburg. All of this will be difficult at first. It will be embarrassing and quite possibly dangerous. But September 11 is a remarkably vivid demonstration of the "clear and present danger" victim disarmament poses. And the alternative is giving up, allowing this poor battered planet of ours to become a dark, dreary futureless prison from this day until the end of time. Personally, the prospect of never getting to see the rings of Saturn from one of its inner moons is too sad to contemplate. And unacceptable. I want that future for my child. Hell, I still want it for myself. What was it you always wanted to see ... Out There? - -- ...................................................................... L. NEIL SMITH is the award-winning author of more than 20 novels about individual liberty and the right to own and carry weapons. Read more than 80 articles and speeches: buy _LEVER ACTION: ESSAYS ON LIBERTY_, for $21.95+$6 S&H from http://www.webleyweb.com/lneil/leveraction.html Order _HOPE_ (with Aaron Zelman), get free stuff and a special offer: click on: or read about MAKING A MOVIE of _The Mitzvah_ the action-adventure thriller by Aaron Zelman and L. Neil Smith -- and maybe even help get it done! -- click on . PRE-ORDER L. Neil Smith's long-awaited _THE AMERICAN ZONE_ plus a new _trade_ paperback edition of _The Probability Broach_ from Tor Books, coming in November and December, 2001, respectively, by clicking on: http://www.webleyweb.com/lneil/americanzone.html http://www.webleyweb.com/lneil/lns_tpb-3.html AUTOGRAPHED COPIES of _Lever Action_, _Hope_, _Forge of the Elders_, _Henry Martyn_, _The Mitzvah_, and a few others are available from the author. For details, write to him at . - ----------------------- end forwarded message from Charles Riggs --------------------- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On THee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:27:19 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Vance Subject: Why CPSC is Going After BB Guns (fwd) - ----------------------- begin forwarded message from Swftl@aol.com ----------------------- From: Swftl@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:00:20 EST Subject: {slick-d} Why CPSC is Going After BB Guns Subj: [cp] FW: [Lis-LEAF] Why CPSC is Going After BB Guns Date: 11/05/2001 2:16:47 PM Eastern Standard Time From: hempmuseum@surfnetinc.com (Max Baer Robinson) Reply-to: cp3@yahoogroups.com To: hempmuseum@surfnetinc.com - -----Original Message----- From: Tee [mailto:eagle1@tcac.net] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 12:35 To: Lis-LEAF@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Lis-LEAF] Why CPSC is Going After BB Guns http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2796 Why CPSC is Going After BB Guns The First Steps to Putting Our Collective Foot Down by Angel Shamaya Founder/Executive Director KeepAndBearArms.com October 31, 2001 Reprint in any format far and wide is freely granted. Please include our website address so people can find us. KeepAndBearArms.com -- The Consumer Product Safety Commission is suing Daisy Manufacturing Company "to compel Daisy to notify consumers that the model 880 and model 856 Powerline Airguns are defective, and present a substantial risk of death or injury to anyone using the airgun." Daisy openly admits the fact that their guns -- if misused, against safety warnings -- can cause harm: "Airguns are real guns, not toys. You or others can be killed or seriously injured if these rules are not followed." [emphasis theirs] But according to CPSC Commissioner Mary Sheila Gall, the Commission staff was "unable to replicate phenomenon despite repeated attempts to do so." If there is a defect, you must be able to buy that product and reproduce the result of said defect -- CPSC's job, which they failed to do but are suing anyway. So why is CPSC really going after Daisy -- the largest manufacturer of BB guns -- if it's not due to a true defect in the product? An important question, with a painfully obvious answer: BB GUNS LEAD TO FIREARMS OWNERSHIP. BB GUNS LEAD TO HUNTING AND SPORTS SHOOTING. BB GUNS EVEN LEAD TO CONSTITUTIONAL PATRIOTISM. Think about it. Did YOU own a BB gun, even a Daisy BB gun? I did. Many gun owners I know did, too. I probably shot 100 POUNDS of BB's as a kid, all by myself. I also turned several kids on to the Daisy, and definitely to the sport and all that goes with it. My Daisy 880 -- one of the models under attack -- was my best friend for at least a year or two. (I wore it out!) Then I went up to a Sheriden .20 caliber pellet gun. Then a .22, shotguns, higher caliber rifles etc. etc. And now I pack heat everywhere I go, can pretty much pick off anything within a hundred yards with open sights on the fly and much farther with my scoped rifles or if I take time to place my shot -- and I am a staunch gun rights activist who stands up for the Second Amendment and the rest of the Bill of Rights and would rather die than surrender one single flintlock to any government agent, ever. Get it? The baseless and fraudulent attack on Daisy is an attack on the American firearms heritage. The baseless and fraudulent attack on Daisy is an attack on the entryway into hunting, riflery, shotgunning, pistolry and everything else that comprises the exercising of the Second Amendment. This federal agency and its minions are trying to remove the first most natural step into the gun culture. Our response needs to be a very loud, sustained and collective NO! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- TAKE ACTION Step One: Get Disgusted Make a toll-free call and listen to a recorded message being "reported" on radio stations at your expense. The federal government is using your tax dollars to promote a massive deception about an "accident" that "happened" with a Daisy BB gun. In short, a kid ambushed another kid with a BB gun and shot him in the head at close range. Just listen to the story and know that CPSC is promoting it as if it was an "accident." Here is the toll-free number, as found on the CPSC "press release": 1-888-531-9070. After you listen to it, take a quick peek at Daisy's "Safety Tips" page, which is mirrored in the owners' manuals that come with their airguns: http://www.daisy.com/safetytips.html. If that doesn't make you mad enough, or if you really want to get the full scope of this obnoxious abuse of federal power, read the entire "press release" from CPSC, and pay close attention to the section below their pictures of the Daisy BB guns. One of their Commissioners, Mary Sheila Gall, rightly points out everything wrong about the CPSC's lawsuit. It's a wonderfully clear and articulate analysis and worth every minute it takes to read. (See http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml02/02029.html.) Highlights from CPSC Commissioner Gall's Stance Against the CPSC Lawsuit Against Daisy Include: "I. PROCEDURAL IRREGULARITIES "A. The confidential draft Complaint was furnished to reporters yesterday, before vote took place today. "B. Complaint filed immediately after vote today instead of giving Daisy the customary short time to settle prior to filing the Complaint. Timetable driven by today's 2:00 PM press conference. "C. No expert reports or detailed financial information about the company were provided to Commission. "II. MANY ALLEGED DEFECTS ARE GENERIC TO AIR GUNS "A. Gravity feed mechanisms "B. Automatically resetting safeties. "C. Warnings provided to purchasers in labels and operating manuals. "These issues should be addressed through voluntary standards, or regulation, not compliance action directed at one company. "III. LODGING PROBLEM MAY BE UNIQUE TO DAISY BUT IS NOT A SUBSTANTIAL PRODUCT HAZARD. "A. Commission's compliance staff conducted six separate investigations of Daisy BB guns between l981 and l999. Commission considered petitions five times between 1975 and 1989 and a special staff project and report on air gun safety was completed in 1997. "B. Experience in use reveals 3 deaths and 47 serious injuries over 30 years and nearly 7.5 million examples. (Contrast 250 deaths per year associated with the use of bicycles by children.) "C. Commission staff unable to replicate phenomenon despite repeated attempts to do so. Commission has repeatedly looked at airguns in general and Daisy BB guns in particular and has not found a defect." Read Commissioner Gall's Full, Enlightening Report Step Two: Write to CPSC Write to CPSC via email and tell them what you think about their assault with no valid reason on a company whose product hasn't been proven to be defective. When you write to CPSC, be sure to copy Daisy in on the message so they've got some ammo to print and use in their defense, and so they know you are standing with them. info@daisy.com Main address for information: info@cpsc.gov (to speak your mind) Regional Divisions: (to speak your mind about the insanity coming out of the Bethesda, Maryland headquarters) Eastern: bschwartz@cpsc.gov Central: eault@cpsc.gov Western: fnava@cpsc.gov Compliance Issues: sect15@cpsc.gov (to demand to know their standards for judging a product's defects and if those standards have been met here -- not for opinion, but for proof) Freedom of Information Act Requests: cpsc-os@cpsc.gov (to demand the evidence they've got that proves the Daisy models 880 and 856 to be defective) National Injury Information Clearinghouse: clearinghouse@cpsc.gov (to request all available data on each accident that clearly and unequivocally resulted due to a defined and proven product defect) Source: CPSC Contact Page Step Three: Call CPSC and Complain Be as nice or as less than nice as you please. I have nothing kind to say to these lying, conniving fools; the message I left on their after-hours voice mail was harsh bordering on caustic. Their main line to "report a dangerous product or a product-related injury" is (800) 638-2772. [When the automated answering system kicks in, press 1, and then press 300.] That's a good, toll-free place to start throwing a monkey wrench in their little anti-American machine. Other numbers include: CPSC CONTACT: Scott Wolfson (the guy named on their "press release") (301) 504-0580 Ext. 1189 Let's bury Scott in so many phone calls he hates life and chew up every last minute he has. I left an irate, two-minute message explicitly detailing the source of my ire and expecting a phone call as soon as he gets my message. Headquarters Mailing address: U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission Washington, D.C. 20207-0001 Street address 4330 East-West Highway Bethesda, Maryland 20814-4408 Tel. (301) 504-0990 Fax (301) 504-0124 and (301) 504-0025 E-mail: info@cpsc.gov Directions: driving, subway/Metro Map: CPSC's location in Bethesda, Maryland Regional Offices Eastern 201 Varick Street, Room 903 New York, NY 1014-4811 Tel. (212) 620-4120 Fax (212) 620-5338 E-mail: bschwartz@cpsc.gov Central 230 South Dearborn Street, Room 2944 Chicago, IL 60604-8260 Tel. (312) 353-8260 Fax (312) 353-5013 E-mail: eault@cpsc.gov Western 1301 Clay Street, Suite 610-N Oakland, CA 94612 Tel. (510) 637-4050 Fax (510) 637-4060 E-mail: fnava@cpsc.gov Step Four: Inspire Others to Act Get some of your lazy gun owner buddies to get up off of their couches on this one. It's time they started pulling their weight anyway. Ask them if they owned a Daisy BB gun, or if their kids own one now or did when they were younger. Ask them what those guns meant to their upbringing. Impress upon them that the full weight of the federal government is being brought against the company who provided whatever enjoyment they or their loved ones have gained as a result of Daisy's fine products. Be creative, and be aggressive. I received not only a year or two of profound enjoyment -- daily, from the time I got it -- from my Daisy BB gun, but I also found my way into the gun culture even though my father didn't care about guns one bit. That being the case, I think I can spare a few minutes of my precious time in Daisy's defense. And you? If you didn't own a BB gun and don't care about BB guns, ponder this: millions of kids do, and millions more will -- before they find their way into shooting sports and hopefully into defending the Second Amendment. Are you going to let these gun prohibitionist rats chop our future liberty advocates off at the doorway? 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