From: John Zorn List Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 12:00 PM To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: John Zorn List V2 #145 John Zorn List Wednesday, November 5 1997 Volume 02 : Number 145 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:28:55 -0800 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Avant . . . Wasn't the first Arcana disk (Williams, Bailey, Laswell) on Avant? At 08:12 AM 11/4/97 -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > >On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:50:44 -0600 (CST) Mike Shepherd wrote: >> >> Does anyone know where a guy like me might find an Avant catalogue online? >> Any label that would put out records by artists as disparate as Naked City >> and Cake Like is of interest to me. - Mike > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- >| AVANT CATALOGUE | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- > >01 - HERETIC, JEUX DES DAMES CRUELLES: Naked City (1992 - Avant, Avant 001 > (CD)) >02 - GRAND GUIGNOL: Naked City (1992 - Avant, Avan 002 (CD)) >03 - RADIO: Naked City (1993 - Avant, Avant 003 (CD)) >04 - ABSINTHE: Naked City (1993 - Avant, Avant 004 (CD)) >05 - RADIO, VOL. 2: Naked City (not released - Avant, Avant 005 (CD)) >06 - DNA LAST LIVE AT CBGB: DNA (1993 - Avant, Avan 006 (CD)) >07 - BUCKETHEADLAND: Buckethead (1992, Avant, Avan 007 (2xCD)) >08 - ALLEGORICAL MISUNDERSTANDING: Fushitsusha (1993, Avant, Avan 008 (CD)) >09 - DREAMSPEED: Anton Fier (1993 - Avant, Avan 009 (CD)) >10 - CYCLOTRON: Blind Idiot God (1992 - Avant, Avan 010 (CD)) >11 - DISCO BY NIGHT: Anthony Coleman (1993 - Avant, Avan 011 (CD)) >12 - NANA + VICTORIO: Peter Garland (1992 - Avant, Avan 012 (CD)) >13 - SHOCK CORRIDOR: David Shea (1992 - Avant, Avan 013 (CD)) >14 - VOYAGER: George Lewis (1993 - Avant, Avan 014 (CD)) >15 - IN DOUBLE LIGHT: Lee Hyla (1993 - Avant, Avan 015 (CD)) >16 - PLEXURE: John Oswald (1993 - Avant, Avan 016 (CD)) >17 - CONSTRUCTION & DEMOLITION: Rough Assemblage (1995 - Avant, Avan 017 (CD)) >18 - ISABELLE: Zeena Parkins (1995 - Avant, Avan 018 (CD)) >19 - SMUT: David Soldier (1994 - Avant, Avan 019 (CD)) >20 - ??? >21 - BICYCLOPEDIA: David Weinstein (???? - Avant, Avan 021 (CD)) >22 - ??? >23 - ??? >24 - ??? >25 - ??? >26 - WOW 2: The Boredoms (1993 - Avant, Avan 026 (CD)) >27 - V AS IN VICTIM: Pigpen (1994 - Avant, Avan 027 (CD)) >28 - THE JOY OF DISEASE: Jim Plotkin (1996 - Avant, Avan 028 (CD)) >29 - DELICIOUS: Cake Like (1994 - Avant, Avan 029 (CD)) >30 - PAINTED DESERT: Ikue Mori (1995 - Avant, Avan 030 (CD)) >31 - WEDDING BANDS FROM RAJASTHAN: Disco Bhangra (1994 - Avant, Avan 031 (CD)) >32 - MIR SHLUFN NISHT: God Is My-Copilot (1994 - Avant, Avan 032 (CD)) >33 - SHREK: Marc Ribot (1994 - Avant, Avan 033 (CD)) >34 - HEADS & TALES 1-19: Z'ev (1996 - Avant, Avan 034 (CD)) >35 - >36 - SLAY THE SUITORS: Bobby Previte (1994 - Avant, Avan 036 (CD)) >37 - THE UNKNOWN: Phillip Johnston's Big Trouble (1994 - Avant, Avan 037 (CD)) >38 - WHOSE BRIDGE: Misha Mengelberg (1994 - Avant, Avan 038 (CD)) >39 - SIGNALS FOR TEA: Steve Beresford (1995 - Avant, Avan 039 (CD)) >40 - SPINNING SONG - DUCK BAKER PLAYS THE MUSIC OF HERBIE NICHOLS: Duck Baker > (1996 - Avant, Avan 040 (CD)) >41 - FEAR NO LOVE: Bob Ostertag (1995 - Avant, Avan 041 (CD)) >42 - BATH: Chris Cochrane (1995 - Avant, Avan 042 (CD)) >43 - ??? >44 - ??? >45 - ??? >46 - CHINA COLLAGE: Sola & Wu Man (1996 - Avant, Avan 046 (CD)) >47 - SMARNAMISA (HIGH MASS): Resia Valley Music (1996 - Avant, Avan 047 (CD)) >48 - ARNHEM LAND: Andy Haas (1997 - Avant, Avan 048 (CD)) >49 - JOHN ZORN'S COBRA IN JAPAN: Makigami Koichi (1995 - Avant, Avan 049 (CD)) >50 - NEW TRADITIONS IN EAST ASIAN BAR BANDS: John Zorn (???? - Avant, Avan 050 > (CD)) > Note: was eventually released in March 1997 on Tzadik. >51 - HARMOLODIC JEOPARDY: Dim Sum Clip Job (1996 - Avant, Avan 051) >52 - WE ARE THE RAGE: Jad Fair & The Shapir O'Rama (1996 - Avant, Avan 052) >53 - PLAYS DISNEY: Buckethead (???? - Avant, Avan 053 (CD)) >54 - I NEED 5 MINUTES ALONE: Pieces (not released - Avant, Avan 054 (CD)) >55 - ??? >56 - HARRAS: D. Bailey, J. Zorn, W. Parker (1995 - Avant, Avan 056 (CD)) >57 - CHIMERA: Erik Friedlander (1995 - Avant, Avan 057 (CD)) >58 - LIVE IN EUROPE: Arcado String Trio (1996 - Avant, Avan 058 (CD)) >59 - CRACKSHOT: Joey Baron (1996 - Avant, Avan 059 (CD)) >60 - GUITAR, DRUMS'N'BASS: Derek Bailey, DJ Ninj (1996 - Avant, Avan 060 (CD)) >61 - VIRA LOUCOS: Cyro Baptista (1997 - Avant, Avan 061 (CD)) >68 - RAGGED JACK: Jamie Saft, Cuong Vu (1997 - Avant, Avan 068 (CD)) >72 - FAIR-HAIRED GUILLOTINE: Alva (1997 - Avant, Avan 072 (CD)) >73 - EAST SIDE PERCUSSION (1997 - Avant, Avan 073 (CD)) > >- > > > Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:41:34 -0600 From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" Subject: Re: Fw: all talk, no info here >>I do ahve a question as to how other cities are when it comes to promoting >>this type of music. What are the attendences in Chicago and other places? >> >>Anyone? I've been in Chicago for the last 4 years, and I try to hit every show that any of the 'New York' musicians play here. They are never packed, usually not even crowded.... Not that many of Zorn's group ever come here. I don't think Zorn himself has been here in 5 years. The Knitting Factory did it's Loud Music Silent Film festival here a few years back, 2 nights, and there were probably about a hundred each night. I was one of about 15 people who went to the Jazz record mart to see Zony Mash this summer (although it was hardly promoted at all) I didn't see their show that night in a club (the Melvins were in town), but I doubt it was crowded... There is a temple in Oak Park (a suburb) that is starting to host alot of avant g. stuff. In the last year there, I've seen Sun Ra Ark. Bill Frisell Quartet (playing the most moving music, I almost cried) and Matt Shipp. All these shows had about 50-60 people.... Tiny Bell Trio is this sunday (woohoo) read icculus - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 14:43:18 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: zorn vs zappa Dan Kuehn wrote: > My last letter to the list was censored, but let me ask again, anybody > know > who-all was playing on my tiny, fuzzy postage stamp real audio concert > from > the knitting factory on zorn improv nite (10/28)... ? >yow< I wasn't there, but according to Kato Hideki, it was Bailey, Zorn, Kramer (piano, voice, noise), Kato Hideki (bass), Robert Dick (flutes), Dave Douglas (trumpet, CD player), Ikue Mori (drum machines), Andy Haas (digeridoo). Bobby Previte was supposed to play but did not. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:45:36 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Bailey + d'n'b >>>>> "Jesse" == Jesse Simon writes: Jesse> Does anyone have anything to say about the album _Guitar Jesse> Drum and Bass_ by Derek Bailey w/ DJ Ninj. It's on Avant I Jesse> think. Anyhow i've been eyeing it for a while and wondered Jesse> if it was worth the thirty dollars (canadian funds) that Jesse> the record store wants for it. Comments? I put this on at work last week just before our manager sauntered into the room (a bullpen of engineers). The opening lick of the album is a roar of Bailey and drum machine rolls, and the manager broke out laughing, turned around and left without saying anything else. So on the basis of manager-repellant alone, it's worth the price. Seriously though, Bailey plays his spidery lines on electric with pretty much the same tone throughout, no acoustic guitar here. The beats on their own might not be exceptional, but in combination with Bailey the album is not like anything else. It's a little short, under forty minutes if I remember, but very high energy. Sometimes Bailey and Ninj seem to be playing to different rhythms, but that accounts for a great deal of the energy, and the contrast between Bailey's free form lines and Ninj's very fast beats makes for powerful listening. Downtown Music Gallery (dmg@panix.com) has it listed for $20 US if that's any cheaper. Now playing: Eno, The Drop Caleb Deupree cdeupree@interagp.com Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:47:43 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Avant . . . >>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Spirer writes: Jeff> Wasn't the first Arcana disk (Williams, Bailey, Laswell) on Jeff> Avant? No, DIW. Caleb Deupree cdeupree@interagp.com Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:53:19 -0600 From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Re: Avant . . . On Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:28:55 -0800 Jeff Spirer writes: >Wasn't the first Arcana disk (Williams, Bailey, Laswell) on Avant? DIW. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:50:22 -0600 From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Re: Bailey + d'n'b On Wed, 05 Nov 1997 12:56:43 Jesse Simon writes: >Does anyone have anything to say about the album _Guitar Drum and >Bass_ by >Derek Bailey w/ DJ Ninj. It's on Avant I think. Anyhow i've been >eyeing it >for a while and wondered if it was worth the thirty dollars (canadian >funds) that the record store wants for it. >Comments? > >thanks, >jesse > It depends. If you're a drum'n'bass fan, DJ ninj is going to bore you . If you like it when Derek Bailey plays the electric guitar at you, He's going to make you happy. It's a really interesting juxtaposition of styles, but I can't help thinking that all of the breakbeats sound stunningly similar. ******************************************************** "'Higgeldy-Piggeldy' means 'A real mess'." M. Binkley ******************************************************** - - ------------------------------ End of John Zorn List V2 #145 *****************************