From: Zorn List Digest Sent: Friday, November 07, 1997 12:15 PM To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #150 Zorn List Digest Friday, November 7 1997 Volume 02 : Number 150 In this issue: - Re: Avant . . . Re: chorus Re: chorus Re: Exhibitionistic Tendencies Vocal 20th century music Re: New Kraut Naked City info Eight Songs for a Mad King [was: Re: chorus] Re: John Oswald Re: New Kraut Re: Eight Songs for a Mad King [was: a violin] Re: 1984 Re: New Kraut Re: Eight Songs for a Mad King [was: a violin] RE: John Oswald Re: New Kraut Re: New Kraut Re: New Kraut Re: Metal Machine Music RE: 1984 Re: New Kraut Austrian musicians Re: New Kraut Re: Vocal 20th century music ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 21:30:26 +0900 From: katsuhiro hayasaka Subject: Re: Avant . . . I got an AVANT catalogue from disk union which is distributor of AVANT. So I add the following CDs. 55 - Larval: Larval (1997 - Avant, Avant 055 (CD)) 62 - Drums of Death (1997 - Avant, Avant 062) 63 - Live at the pito bar: Bernard Woma (1997 - Avant, Avant 063) 66 - Sanctuary: Dave Douglas (1997 - Avant, Avant 066) # I`m not confident whether spellings are right. - ------------------------- Katsuhiro Hayasaka c9609238@mn.waseda.ac.jp - ------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: From: Sean Terwilliger Subject: Re: chorus > Tom Pratt wrote: > > > > > I'm looking to find some 20th century vocal music. I have heard a few > > > pieces for chorus by Penderecki and really liked them. > > > > > > Perhaps there is a CD out there by a chorus performing various works > > > by > > > 20th century composers?????? Thanks. You could also find some Magma or Christian Vander solo for an interesting take on the Chorus. - -Sean - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:46:15 -0500 (EST) From: "k. drudge" Subject: Re: chorus >=20 >=20 > >I'm looking to find some 20th century vocal music. I have heard a few > >pieces for chorus by Penderecki and really liked them. > > > >Perhaps there is a CD out there by a chorus performing various works by > >20th century composers?????? Thanks. > > > > -Tom Pratt >=20 > Don't miss Arvo Part...I like Arbos and Passion. >=20 There is also great choral music by Alfred Schnittke; a complete CD whose title escapes me is on Chandos. I think that a fan of Penderecki would enjoy this music. Also, perhaps slightly more `out there' is Gy=F6rgi Ligeti's music, in particular the Requiem is a very interesting choral work. - -Keldon - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:44:26 -0800 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: Exhibitionistic Tendencies >>I feel Sun Ra was woefully under-recorded, especially considering our lack of access to his current creations. > >> >Sun Ra was quite prolific. >=dgasque= I know, I was making a joke. Insinuating that no matter how many Sun Ra recordings there are, he was under-recorded. I lived in Pasadena CA from 1975-1985. PooBah Records stocked everything Sun Ra ever recorded on the Saturn record label. Unbelievable. sZ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:51:31 +0100 From: Nuno BARREIRO Subject: Vocal 20th century music A must: Stimmung by Stockhausen - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:05:40 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: New Kraut >>>>> "BJOERN" == BJOERN writes: BJOERN> "tortoise: millions now living will BJOERN> never die" oh by the way has this tortoise album been BJOERN> discussed here already???? Wonderful album, but they're from Chicago, not Germany. Caleb Deupree cdeupree@interagp.com We anarchists could rule the world, if only we could find the right leader. Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:12:31 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Naked City info >>>>> "MBS" == MBS writes: MBS> could you tell me more about all of the Naked City releases? MBS> I have the first one and have heard the others are quite a MBS> mixed bag.. Thanks. Matt >From memory, and I don't know all of them equally well, so I may miss a few details. Leng T'che is one 30-minute piece with Y. Eye in the front seat. I like this one the least. Heretic is smaller subgroups, duets and trios. Some people like this one a lot. Grand Guignol has a long opener (17 min or so), followed by 5 classical pieces (Ives, Scriabin, Lassus, Debussy, Messaien), followed by most or all (I'm not exactly sure which) of Torture Garden, which is lots of very short thrash pieces. Absinthe is almost ambient. I don't know Radio that well, so cannot comment. There may be additional information in the FAQ or the archives. Caleb Deupree cdeupree@interagp.com We anarchists could rule the world, if only we could find the right leader. Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:15:16 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Eight Songs for a Mad King [was: Re: chorus] James Douglas Knox wrote: > A great thing I heard on the radio a while back was a piece by peter > Maxwell Davies; think it was called "Seven Songs for a Mad King" (or > just > "Songs..."). Inspired by King Lear (?). Some really cool vocal > extemporisations, accompanied by an excellent and destroyed racket. "Eight Songs for a Mad King," actually. A notorious destroyer of voices, a fabulous musical depiction of the onset of insanity, and the closest I think anyone has ever come to notating what David Moss does with his voice in his improvisations -- not that there's any direct correlation, just an observation that especially in the classic Unicorn-Kanchana recording the baritone does sound a lot like Moss. Based on the true story of King George III (as in "The Madness of King George"), who reputedly used to use a broken little organ to teach the finches to sing during the more advanced stages of his insanity. Many of the lines in the piece are actual quotes. Hadn't thought about this piece in a long time, then heard it just a few weeks ago on an all-request 20th century classical show (!) on Rice University's radio station as I was driving to a friend's wedding. Extraordinary. The other piece on the disc, "Miss Donnithorne's Maggot," ain't half bad, either. And big, big thanks to Schwitterz for posting that website link... wow. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:13:48 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: John Oswald >>>>> "James" == James Douglas Knox writes: James> The original "Plunderphonics" was recently re-released as a James> 3" mini- by those crazies in Austria - still a wonderful, James> nutty thing. More info please? Which particular crazies in Austria? I thought the original was over an hour long -- how could it fit onto a mini? Caleb Deupree cdeupree@interagp.com We anarchists could rule the world, if only we could find the right leader. Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:29:33 +0100 From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com Subject: Re: New Kraut > BJOERN> "tortoise: millions now living will > BJOERN> never die" oh by the way has this tortoise album been > BJOERN> discussed here already???? > > Wonderful album, but they're from Chicago, not Germany. That's not the point. The point is that, in Germany, all these bands that incorporate influences of Krautrock are apparently called New Kraut, whether they hail from Germany or not. Any recommendations on any of the recent Tortoise offshoot (Isotope 217, Designer, Aerial M, Sea and the Cake, ...)? Frankco. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:36:11 -0800 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: Eight Songs for a Mad King [was: a violin] >Hadn't thought about this piece in a long time, then heard it just a few >weeks ago on an all-request 20th century classical show (!) on Rice >University's radio station as I was driving to a friend's wedding. >Extraordinary. The other piece on the disc, "Miss Donnithorne's >Maggot," ain't half bad, either. And big, big thanks to Schwitterz for >posting that website link... wow. > >Steve Smith I had just moved to California, and Cal Arts in Valencia was putting on its first Spring music festival. All events were free. I walked into a small auditorium not knowing what I was going to see. There on the stage was a large crazy looking man in a tattered white hospital gown ranting like a maniac and storming around in front of a small chamber ensemble. Now you can take the boy out of Illinois but shit I was actually a little frightened by this musical carnage. The perfromance ended with that lunatic wresting the violin away from its player and smashing it to the ground and stomping on it. Roll over Jimi and let Mad King take over. I've never been able to find a recording of it, so I'd like to thank myself for posting that website link as well. sZ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 07:40:29 PST From: "David Brunelle" Subject: Re: 1984 Laswell must have made the decision to sell the rights to the >>recordings in question. If he neglected, for whatever reason, to >>negotiate future royalty payments, whose fault is that? . Its certainly. This is not the 1950's. When an artists decides to sell, or assign his rights, whether its publishing, mechanical or synchronization, they do so for their own reasons(and at their own peril). >I don't know how Bill ended up without any rights to so much material. I'm not going to ask him. I'd imagine that that would probably be a sore spot with anyone that this has happened to. Not knowing how the loss of his publishing rights came about, I want to point out one other possibility. Regardless of it not having been the '50s, a young artist, anxious to put out material and not being very familiar with how the industry might work (and I'm sure we're much more aware now than in the early '80s), might easily be fast talked into a deal that might appear to benefit them short-term, but doesn't provide for the future. Dave Brunelle IHVH@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:58:42 -0500 (EST) From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: New Kraut On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 flamerik@best.ms.philips.com wrote: > Any recommendations on any of the recent Tortoise offshoot (Isotope 217, > Designer, Aerial M, Sea and the Cake, ...)? so off topic it's not even funny: saw aerial m recently and they were pretty good, if not a bit mellow for a friday night. it's basically dave pajo's project (ex-slint, current tortoise member) and he's assisted by two ex-members of louisville's crain and a rather fetching female bassist who is evidently new to the world of rock. if yr familiar with slint, i would say that aerial m expand on the quieter parts of "spiderland" era sans vocals and math. if yr not familiar with slint, i would say that aerial m's music is pretty, minimal and guitar-driven. a friend of mine just served as soundman for the trans am/aerial m/ don caballero tour and said that dave pajo can play "eruption" note-for-note. i wonder if zorn or zappa could say the same? b - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:53:19 +0100 From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com Subject: Re: Eight Songs for a Mad King [was: a violin] > it. Roll over Jimi and let Mad King take over. I've never been able to find > a recording of it, so I'd like to thank myself for posting that website link > as well. >From what I've heard, the recording with Justin Eastman on vocals should be the best. Since this is the only one I've heard I am not to judge, though. Other people (Mr. Bungle's Trey Spruance) have told me that they liked the Eastman recording more than any other. Frankco. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:22:24 -0800 From: mike burma Subject: RE: John Oswald From: Caleb Deupree >>>>>> "James" == James Douglas Knox writes: > > James> The original "Plunderphonics" was recently re-released as a > James> 3" mini- by those crazies in Austria - still a wonderful, > James> nutty thing. >More info please? Which particular crazies in Austria? I thought the >original was over an hour long -- how could it fit onto a mini? It's not all of the original, only a selection. Specifically: Seventh, Net, Replica, Birth, Dab, Black, Spring and Fabulous Almost 18 minutes total. Annoying feature: indexed as one track with real tight segues. mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:10:13 +0100 (MEZ) From: BJOERN Subject: Re: New Kraut > >>>>> "BJOERN" == BJOERN writes: > > BJOERN> "tortoise: millions now living will > BJOERN> never die" oh by the way has this tortoise album been > BJOERN> discussed here already???? > > Wonderful album, but they're from Chicago, not Germany. > Caleb Deupree i never said they were from germany...they are just members of that new kraut movement that mainly happens in germany....and they are a lot influenced by german krautrockbands like can and neu - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:21:42 -0600 From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Re: New Kraut On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:29:33 +0100 flamerik@best.ms.philips.com writes: > >Any recommendations on any of the recent Tortoise offshoot (Isotope >217, >Designer, Aerial M, Sea and the Cake, ...)? > >Frankco. > Hmmm. That's a whole other can o'worms. The Sea and CAke is more of a Rock band than Tortoise. Some of the bands that are a part of this incestous scene are New Directions In Music, June of 44, Gastr Del Sol, Brise 'Glace, yadda yadda. All on labels distributed By Touch & GO. Some of the most interesting stuff happening for midwesterners like me. Skin-Graft is one of those labels, and is putting out The most out-there, interesting, music that can still be called "Rock" IMHO. BAnds Like US Maple, Collasamite, Don Caballero, and Iceburn (who did an excellent rendition of a Masada tune when I saw them live) are all a part of this group. I'd have to recommend these bands to anyone who likes "odd" rock. This all seems very tangentially related to this list ,though.... - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:34:39 -0800 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: New Kraut >i never said they were from germany...they are just members of that new >kraut movement that mainly happens in germany....and they are a lot >influenced by german krautrockbands like can and neu I hear more than a little Soft Machine in Tortoise... I like that vinyl re-mix...with the Steve Reich sample...can't remember the name of it right now. sZ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:41:40 -0800 From: "pjm" Subject: Re: Metal Machine Music 2 cents: >I've been lurking way too long, and after the flurry of postings about Zappa, Gentle Giant, etc. I thought >that I might be able to stir up a little more dust, by asking what people think about Metal Machine Music >by Lou Reed. I just recently found a copy of it after keeping an eye open for it for years. I had never heard it, but so many people had told me how horrible it was and I read a great interview with Reed on how he did it and it was so fascinating i had to hear it. It sounds like dolphins fucking vacuum cleaners to me. I listened to it all the way through, and it got sort of annoying, but there are lots of interesting sounds. I've listened to just a few minutes of it since, mainly to turn other people on to it, and i guess i can see how people could find it almost unlistenable, but it's interesting enough to hold onto....... pjm - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:41:06 -0500 From: "Zeke's Distribution Corp." Subject: RE: 1984 Howdy! I'm not so certain that selling one's rights is a bad thing in all = cases. If one were to sell the rights for say $50K to something that you = thought would probably only sell 5,000 copies. I would whole heartily = sell. I recognize that I might be wrong in my estimate as to how many = copies it would sell, or that the new rights owner might place it in = some Quentin Tarintino movie. But those are mighty big "ifs". With regards to what Jeff wrote, when there are two equal (in all = respects) recordings, yes I would choose the one that benefits the = artist. But that doesn't happen all that often. Does anyone know what the royalty rates were for "Forbidden Fruit" Chris zeke@zeke.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:57:19 GMT From: "Ockham's stubble" Subject: Re: New Kraut From: Brent Burton so off topic it's not even funny: [...] a friend of mine just served as soundman for the trans am/aerial m/ don caballero tour and said that dave pajo can play "eruption" note-for-note. i wonder if zorn or zappa could say the same? facetious... or a different eruption? kids in in high school play eruption note for note (perhaps the hyphens make a difference). - -b b -| - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:52:37 -0400 From: "goodadam@quicklink.com" Subject: Austrian musicians mike burma wrote: > > > >More info please? Which particular crazies in Austria? > I've only been on the list for two days so, "hi" but anyway, my father would be very interested in hearing about some austrian musicians on the creative music/improv scene. can anyone give me some names? i'd really appreciate it. Thanks Adam Good - -- \/ ~@-@~ ~ ----- |_____| /\ /\ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:10:32 -0500 (EST) From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: New Kraut On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Ockham's stubble wrote: >> a friend of mine just served as soundman for the trans am/aerial m/ >> don caballero tour and said that dave pajo can play "eruption" >> note-for-note. i wonder if zorn or zappa could say the same? > facetious... or a different eruption? kids in in high school play > eruption note for note (perhaps the hyphens make a difference). it was just a joke. i wasn't saying that they *couldn't* play it, but would they ever claim it. the hyphens make all the difference. b - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:13:30 -0700 (MST) From: Corey Marc Fogel Subject: Re: Vocal 20th century music On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Nuno BARREIRO wrote: > A must: Stimmung by Stockhausen > i concur thank you - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #150 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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