From: Zorn List Digest Sent: Friday, November 21, 1997 6:33 AM To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #173 Zorn List Digest Friday, November 21 1997 Volume 02 : Number 173 In this issue: - Re: stuff by Christian Marclay Re: Leng T'Che Re: Mingus Re: The big deal with jokes Re: stuff by Christian Marclay Re: Contempt s/t query Re: Moondog (was: Bryars & Nyman &...) Re: Contempt s/t query Re: The big deal with jokes Re: Moondog (was: Bryars & Nyman &...) Re: The big deal with jokes Re: Moondog (was: Bryars & Nyman &...) Masada String Trio Kenny Wheeler Re: Angel Song Masada String Trio Re: stuff by Christian Marclay young Zorn List Digest V2 #172 Joey Baron / Bryars / Nyman cd request / Frisell disc forthcoming... Re: The big deal with jokes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:35:44 +1100 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: stuff by Christian Marclay On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote: > > > I need more info on Marclay > > No info here, but the recent Atavistic comp _Records_ is chockful of great > 80's Marclay tracks. Anyone interested in Marclay's solo work should > check it out. > Has anyone got the CD re-issue of More Encores? Any bonus tracks for the disc re-ish? And what other recommendations can anyone lend for other available work of Marclay's? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:39:01 +1100 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: Leng T'Che On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Jeff Spirer wrote: > At 08:11 PM 11/19/97 -0800, Brian Olewnick wrote: > > >night! I have to give JZ credit for unearthing photos and illustrations > >that are not merely grotesque, unhealthily erotic, etc. but that have > >(usually) a goodly amount of resonance. > > If one wants to find these images, it is not so hard, especially in New > York. > > I have recently purchased books of morgue photos, police crime scene > photos, and most chilling, photos of the catacombs of Palermo. > This last one (especially) sound really interesting; d'ya maybe mind to post some more details about this title? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:48:15 +1100 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: Mingus On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, James T Graves wrote: > >Charles Mingus was mentioned a while back when discussing the mixing of > >different styles. Could anyone point me towards some of his works which > >display this? > > You might want to check out New Tijuana Moods, an heavily latin > influenced album that comprises jazz, latin and free elements. Blues & Yeah; I second that recommendation. The changes here reminded me of nothing so much as NC the first time I heard it - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:51:28 +1100 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: The big deal with jokes On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, ia zha nah er vesen wrote: > > > I'd call 'Nani Nani' or 'Zohar' a joke; Sure; but a joke can still be profound, and meaningful. Didn't Spy Vs Spy start out as WRU (wit, and its relation to the unconscious) ? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:57:25 -0800 From: Michael Howes Subject: Re: stuff by Christian Marclay >> > I need more info on Marclay >> >> >Has anyone got the CD re-issue of More Encores? Any bonus tracks for the >disc re-ish? And what other recommendations can anyone lend for other >available work of Marclay's? > My two favorite releases from Marclay are.... Christian Marclay & Gunter Muller - LIVEimprovisations on For4Ears Records Muller plays various percussion devices and Marclay does his turntable thing. I really love the track I recently discovered on a collection called. October Meeting 87 on Bimhuis Records out of Amsterdam. There is an amazing piece called "Duo" with Marclay and Louis Sclavis that goes for 27+ minutes. Also on this disc is a collaboration between Zorn/Janssen/Dresser/van Duynhoven called "Tribute to Misha Mengelberg" and interesting, mostly trombone piece by Janssen (Piano), J Bauer (Trombone), C Bauer (Trombone), and Wierbos (Trombone). I absolutely love the Marclay/Sclavis track. mike mhowes@best.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:59:09 +1100 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: Contempt s/t query At 03:01 PM 11/20/97 +0100, flamerik@best.ms.philips.com wrote: > >Maybe Zorn can also release a 12 CD Naked City box set, covering the complete >works of Krzystof Komeda, Bernard Herrmann, and Napalm Death. > Not to forget: George Delerue. Can anyone tell me where I might find a copy of his score for "Contempt"? - I've got a friend who loves this piece of music, and it'd make a nifty Xmas gift (yeah, I know; I've left it kinda late - so any help is greatly appreciated). I've seen a Delerue disc with stuff from Contempt, Jules et Jim, and two others - but its got dialogue also - I'm after the music w no such interruption. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:15:27 +1100 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: Moondog (was: Bryars & Nyman &...) I've gotta put in a plug here for the wonderful Moondog aka Louis Hardin; IMHO the greatest (maybe and sadly, least recognized) of the American minimalist composers. There's a long interview in an old issue of Resonance, and some great stuff on two discs by Verve (Moondog and More Moondog) - I endorse it completely. He passed this year; so I dunno - kinda sad I guess. But I think they accorded him the appropriate plaudits in Germany (where he was living at the time). Speaking of Resonance: Howard Mandel interviewed Zorn for the most recent issue - has anyone seen it? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:24:23 From: Jesse Simon Subject: Re: Contempt s/t query At 05:59 PM 11/21/97 +1100, James Douglas Knox wrote: >Can anyone tell me where I might find a >copy of his score for "Contempt"? - I've got a friend who loves this piece >of music, and it'd make a nifty Xmas gift (yeah, I know; I've left it >kinda late - so any help is greatly appreciated). Wouldn't hold your breath on this one. It's pretty rare. I think it was only released in europe when the film came out and I don't believe it's yet made the transition to compact disc. However... Since Martin Scorsese re-released the film in America, there is a chance that the soundtrack will be available soon. You might check out the Varese Sarabande record label who have been tirelessly re-releasing great soundtracks from the fifties and sixties (incl. Mancini's Touch of Evil and Herrmann's Vertigo, both excellent!) Good luck in yr search, Jesse - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:35:54 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: The big deal with jokes James Douglas Knox wrote: > > > > I'd call 'Nani Nani' or 'Zohar' a joke; > > Sure; but a joke can still be profound, and meaningful. Didn't Spy Vs Spy > start out as WRU (wit, and its relation to the unconscious) ? I thought it started out in Mad Magazine... ;-) Thanks for learning me the meaning behind the "W.R.U." title, though... I'd truly always wondered. Where did you get that? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:41:22 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Moondog (was: Bryars & Nyman &...) James Douglas Knox wrote: > [Moondog] passed this year; so I dunno - kinda sad I guess. But I think > they > accorded him the appropriate plaudits in Germany (where he was > living at the time). He did?!? What shitty timing... just as Atlantic is releasing a new album of his music, "Sax Pax for Sax," performed by Moondog and the "London Saxophonic." I totally missed word of his passing... when did it happen? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:04:39 +1100 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: The big deal with jokes On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Steve Smith wrote: > James Douglas Knox wrote: > > > > > > I'd call 'Nani Nani' or 'Zohar' a joke; > > > > Sure; but a joke can still be profound, and meaningful. Didn't Spy Vs Spy > > start out as WRU (wit, and its relation to the unconscious) ? > > I thought it started out in Mad Magazine... ;-) > > Thanks for learning me the meaning behind the "W.R.U." title, though... I'd > truly always wondered. Where did you get that? >From the Zorn interview in the book, American Composers - Dialogues on Contemporary Music (more details at the NWU discog). Its the title of a book by Freud, I think. Even more curious than this, tho', is the story of the original cover art for the Spy Vs Spy album: Beyer's commission was to draft the black and white spys in a tangle - each stabbing the other in the back. I think this is an incredible idea - the most perfect, apt, and blackly (!) humorous comment on the whole vexation of racial politics in contemporary music. It would have been such a great cover (and I love Beyer's brut style to boot) - I'm totally bewildered as to why those wankers at Elektra put the kibbosh to it. I hope Tzadik buys the license to these recordings just so they can re-release it with this graphic. Cheers, Jim - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:09:54 +1100 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: Moondog (was: Bryars & Nyman &...) On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Steve Smith wrote: > James Douglas Knox wrote: > > > [Moondog] passed this year; so I dunno - kinda sad I guess. But I think > > they > > accorded him the appropriate plaudits in Germany (where he was > > living at the time). > > He did?!? What shitty timing... just as Atlantic is releasing a new album of > his music, "Sax Pax for Sax," performed by Moondog and the "London > Saxophonic." I totally missed word of his passing... when did it happen? > Can't tell you the exact date, but it was within a few days of Burroughs and Fela Anikulapo Kuti. I mean; what a shitty twelve months for the avant garde? My personal favourite candidate for a non-Cecil playing style would've been Kurhyokin - but he left quite a while back now. I would've posted something about Moondog, but wasn't too sure if anyone would really know just what a big deal it oughta be. Cheers, Jim - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:09:59 +0100 From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com Subject: Masada String Trio Yesterday, I saw the Masada String Trio (Mark Feldman/Erik Friedlander/Greg Cohen) at the BIM-huis in Amsterdam. It was the first time I visited the BIM-huis, and the atmosphere is really relaxed. There's quite a large stage, about 30cm. above the floor, and metal benches are put around the stage for the visitors to sit on. There were about 80 people attending the show. The concert was AWESOME. I've seen both Bar Kokhba and Masada before, and it was great to hear string trio arrangements of some of the better-known Masada compositions (Mahshav, Sheloshim). There were also a lot of compositions that haven't been released yet. All players had a large book of Masada compositions with them, and from where I was sitting I was able to read the titles in Feldman's book. At least half of the titles are not on any of the 8 Masada albums, nor on Bar Kokhba. The playing was first-rate throughout. From melancholic Jewish moods to scraping and scratching and playing the instruments in unusual ways, everything was performed with extreme accuracy and enthusiasm. For one tune, Feldman left the stage to sit on one of these metal benches, and the tune was played by Friedlander and Cohen. Apart from this, Feldman seemed to be the leader of the trio, since he did the talking and joking. They played two 45 minute sets, separated by a 20 minute intermission. They also did an encore, which to me was the highlight of the evening. Feldman announced they were going to play "another of John Zorn's Masada compositions", and I called out for Janohah. I asked, "Janohah, is it in the book?", to which Feldman replied "I don't know-ah", much to the delight of the audience. He proceeded to tell that once the trio got to playing the Holiday Inn we could file requests, and that they were 5 or 10 guilders per song, depending on the song. After much audience laughter, they played the best tune of the evening, called "Abrakala", a long, almost ambient-sounding piece, with sustained notes on the violin and the cello and very deep sounding, resonating bass notes. An outstanding piece of music, although very unlike any other Masada tunes since it lacked a strong Jewish melody. Anyway, if you can catch the trio live anywhere, so see them. Frankco. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:25:13 -0500 (EST) From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Kenny Wheeler With all the current talk surrounding Kenny Wheeler, i'm suprised no one has brought up the LP which IMO, has some of his best playing- that being Louis Moholo's _Spirits Rejoice_ . Side 2 of that LP still sends shivers up my spine... =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:28:52 +0900 From: Akira Saito Subject: Re: Angel Song >Anyone have this CD? I just got it today and I've got to say it's really >brilliant. Four excellent jazz musicians (Kenny Wheeler, Lee Konitz, Dave >Holland and Bill Frisell) playing some of the most expressive music I've >heard in a while. If anyone's got any opinions, I'd like to hear them. Last May, Konitz came to Japan and played with Laurent de Wilde(pf), Ira Coleman(b), ?(ds), and Keiko Lee(vo). I asked his autograph on this CD, and he said, 'This is good. Very good.' After Japan tour, he recorded with the same members, which I like: 'Dig, Dug, Dog'(Sony). His sound is mild, and played 'Body & Soul', 'Sister Chelyl', etc. I first watched Konitz last year when he played with Barre Phillips(b) and Keiji Haino(g)(!!). Akira Saito - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:03:29 +0100 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Masada String Trio I saw the European premiere of the Masada String Trio 3 days ago in Ghent and I agree that the group is wonderful. Also in Ghent they played some of the tunes of Bar Kokhba and lots of new compositions. In general the pieces of Bar Kokhba were played a litle faster and more nervous than on the record, but still very good. The new pieces were really marvellous. There were some new uptempo tunes with nice Jewish melodies but also pieces that sounded almost like "classical" compositions (Schubert or Debussy). Feldman and Friedlander both did a solo-piece and especially Friedlander was outstanding, his playing was far more melodic than that of Feldman (Feldman was more into making strange noises and special effects on his violin. His solo piece was based on one of the pieces for violin alone). It was a pitty that Cohen didn't have more solo-space. They referred to the songs with numbers instead of using the names:1.56,2.16,.. (any cue how many masada-tunes there are up to now ?, the bunch of scores is actual becoming more voluminous than Cohen's double bass.) Friedlander told us they would record the trio when they are back in the States, so watch out for this one ! YVes P.S. I remember that Bar Kokhba also played a very dark ambient piece of about 20 minutes in their-Ghent concert last year. Baron was playing his cymbals with a bow and Baptista was making all kinds of strange noises on percussion. The mood was very much kristallnacht-like. Hope they will record this one day ! - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:07:15 -0500 From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Re: stuff by Christian Marclay James Douglas Knox wrote: >>Has anyone got the CD re-issue of More Encores? Any bonus >>tracks for the disc re-ish? Don't have it yet, but should soon ... ;-) >>And what other recommendations can anyone lend for other >>available work of Marclay's? Michael Howes replied (and said, among other things): >Christian Marclay & Gunter Muller - LIVEimprovisations on For4Ears Records >Muller plays various percussion devices and Marclay does his turntable >thing. I will wholeheartedly second this record. I just love it!! Of course, there's also his "Records (1981 - 1989)" recently out on disc courtesy of Atavistic. This, the above two albums, and the previously mentioned (by Michael) Marclay/Sclavis "Duo" track on "October Meeting 87" are pretty much the sum total of his current CD-available recordings, if I'm not mistaken. - -Patrick - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:08:38 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: young is there anyone out there who can do me a tape of the Larry Young/Joe Chambers album "double exposure" from 1977 (not yet on cd)? many thanks... - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 07:34:13 -0500 From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #172 > > How sure are you that Masada _box sets_ will be cheaper? The Parachute box is selling for around $90 in the US: about 13/disc. The individual DIWs sell for 18-22 per disc. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:24:17 -0500 From: Bob Kowalski Subject: Joey Baron / Bryars / Nyman cd request / Frisell disc forthcoming... Hi all- Glad to see there are some serious Gavin Bryars fans out there. The new "Man in a Room, Gambling" is so fantastic (as I think I've recently said -oops....) Perhaps someone on this list owns a copy of Nymans "La Traverse de Paris" which is so impossible to find and would be interested in either trading (for some Zorn?) or selling it. A shot in the dark but just thought I'd ask... The new Joey Baron CD is called "Down Home" (released Oct '97 in the US and Nov '97 in Europe on Intuition Music) and I recently picked it up at Tower Records (in Cambridge, MA) for something like $11.99. At least in the US, it is not something that should need special ordering (seemed like they had a whole bunch of them.) It is great! Arthur Blythe - alto saxophone, Bill Frisell - guitar, Ron Carter - bass & Joey Baron - drums is the lineup and all players are in top form and swingin'. Anyone heard of / heard the new / upcoming Frisell CD ? Web page indicates it'll be called "Gone, Just Like A Train" and if I may take their exact description w/o getting in trouble - " Due out in January of 1998 is Gone, Just Like A Train. On this exceptionally melodic and rhythmic instrumental collection of original compositions, Frisell is joined by Viktor Krauss and by Jim Keltner, all star drummer of choice for Bob Dylan, Ry Cooder, T-Bone Burnett, George Harrison, John Lennon and The Traveling Wilburys." tis all for now (phew) Bob @ Somerville -=dot=- MA - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:30:02 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Pleshar Subject: Re: The big deal with jokes At 07:04 PM 11/21/97 +1100, James Douglas Knox wrote: > >On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Steve Smith wrote: > >> James Douglas Knox wrote: >> >> > > > > I'd call 'Nani Nani' or 'Zohar' a joke; >> > >> > Sure; but a joke can still be profound, and meaningful. Didn't Spy Vs Spy >> > start out as WRU (wit, and its relation to the unconscious) ? >> >> I thought it started out in Mad Magazine... ;-) >> >> Thanks for learning me the meaning behind the "W.R.U." title, though... I'd >> truly always wondered. Where did you get that? > >>From the Zorn interview in the book, American Composers - Dialogues on >Contemporary Music (more details at the NWU discog). Its the title of a >book by Freud, I think. Yes, it is from Frued, but perhaps even more germane is that on the album "Ornette" all of the titles of Ornette's songs are initials from Freudian writings, "WRU" being just one of 4 or 5, which I can't remember now. >Even more curious than this, tho', is the story of the original cover art >for the Spy Vs Spy album: Beyer's commission was to draft the black and >white spys in a tangle - each stabbing the other in the back. > >I think this is an incredible idea - the most perfect, apt, and blackly >(!) humorous comment on the whole vexation of racial politics in >contemporary music. It would have been such a great cover (and I love >Beyer's brut style to boot) - I'm totally bewildered as to why those >wankers at Elektra put the kibbosh to it. I hope Tzadik buys the license >to these recordings just so they can re-release it with this graphic. It might have been the "wankers" at Mad Magazine who put the kibosh on it. They probably do own the rights to those images after all. It probably would have been great though. Ralph - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #173 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date.