From: Zorn List Digest Sent: Monday, December 15, 1997 3:37 PM To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #192 Zorn List Digest Monday, December 15 1997 Volume 02 : Number 192 In this issue: - Re: cello music ribot Re: ribot solo guitar Live Covers Re: ribot solo guitar Hello _Document ..._ on Leo? Tom Cora (Was Re: Cello Music) Re: Friedlander/Roberts? bacharach 2 Ion releases for sale Re: cello music Re: cello music B.I.G. CD CD's for sale. Re: cello music Re: Tom Cora (Was Re: Cello Music) Cello Re: B.I.G. CD Re: B.I.G. CD Triaxium Writings Elixer still available Re: more questions about music Re: Triaxium Writings ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:28:21 -0500 (EST) From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: cello music On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Stephane Vuilleumier wrote: > Has Tom Cora already been mentioned? > He's all over the place playing in all kinds > of different settings , but there's not so much > stuff solo available on record. not exactly solo, but cora did @ least 2 albums with the dutch band the ex: "scrabbling @ the lock" & "the weathermen shrug their shoulders" b - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 16:03:20 EST From: M.Ho Subject: ribot Patrice, How's that Ribot discogography doing? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:06:16 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: ribot On Fri, 12 Dec 97 16:03:20 EST "M.Ho" wrote: > > How's that Ribot discogography doing? How do you know about my Ribot discography :-). Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:28:11 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Caulfield Bivins Subject: solo guitar I've been meaning to submit this rec for a week or so. At the risk of beating a dead horse, let me commend Joe Morris' solo disc "No Vertigo" on Leo from 1996. Joe has his detractors, but I for one am extremely enthusiastic about his playing, which I think is some of the most innovative in a long time. Most folks scramble to find influences for Morris and declare he has few -- not sure how accurate this is, especially given some overt similarities to Michael Gregory Jackson, but it certainly seems to testify to his power. Enjoy. Jason Bivins - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:43:39 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Live Covers Just wondering, did Naked CIty need to get permission to do those live covers? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:06:16 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: ribot On Fri, 12 Dec 97 16:03:20 EST "M.Ho" wrote: > > How's that Ribot discogography doing? How do you know about my Ribot discography :-). Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:28:11 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Caulfield Bivins Subject: solo guitar I've been meaning to submit this rec for a week or so. At the risk of beating a dead horse, let me commend Joe Morris' solo disc "No Vertigo" on Leo from 1996. Joe has his detractors, but I for one am extremely enthusiastic about his playing, which I think is some of the most innovative in a long time. Most folks scramble to find influences for Morris and declare he has few -- not sure how accurate this is, especially given some overt similarities to Michael Gregory Jackson, but it certainly seems to testify to his power. Enjoy. Jason Bivins - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 23:14:53 -0500 (EST) From: jdschone@sas.upenn.edu (John D Schonewolf) Subject: Hello Dear Listservers, I just wanted to say hello, as I just got on this mailing list today. I am a sophmore at the University of Pennsylvania, obviously interested in the music of John Zorn, the downtown scene, etc. I am wondering, with the Hanukah and Christmas seasons fast approaching, if people could send out some recommendations for the best discs that they have bought this year. I would love to hear some recommendations for any kind of music, such as classical, klezmer, avant jazz, traditional jazz, whatever, as I think that the opinions of people of this list should lead me to some great music. Let me know if this is a stupid question, as I do not want to upset anyone right away. Well, I look forward to many recommendations and great discussions. Go Flyers!!!! Jack Schonewolf - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 23:10:17 -0600 (CST) From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw Subject: _Document ..._ on Leo? I know, this might not be zorn-related, but it's kinda close (and to keep non-zorn traffic off the list, you can reply directly to me :-)). I've been kinda curious about the Sergey Kuryokhin 4CD box and the 8CD _Document: New Music From Russia (the 80s)_ box from Leo Records. Read the review of the Kuryokhin box in The Wire and it looks very much like something I'd like. *But* I haven't read anything much about the _Document_ set and can't find anything on the net (guess it's too old :-)). I'm gonna hit the bookstores tomorrow to see if any guides have it listed, but thought I'd tap all the knowledge here. So if anyone would be so kind as to let me know what _Document_ is like, I'd appreciate it very much.... Thanks in advance, Brian - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:43:55 EST From: chasinthetrane@juno.com (Jamie F Graves) Subject: Tom Cora (Was Re: Cello Music) >Has Tom Cora already been mentioned? >I saw him solo providing the soundtrack of "The >Man with the Camera" of Dziga Vertov (cello, >unobstrusive electronics) - That was >really awesome. What has Tom Cora been doing lately? I haven't seen his name around. The latest stuff I have of his is Curlew and Third Person. Jamie - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:45:54 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: Friedlander/Roberts? Friedrich Feger wrote: > > Maybe some Zorn-List mails haven't made it to me, and it all has already > happened, but I wonder if anyone could recommend recordings with Erik > Friedlaender or Hank Roberts at their best. I only have Friedlaender on > some big ensemble settings, and nothing of Roberts. > > Thanks, > Fritz. I think Erik Friedlander's 'The Watchman' on Tzadik is excellent! It's part of the Radical Jewish Culture Series and the group, Chimera, consists of Friedlander (cello), Chris Speed (clarinet), Andrew D'Angelo (bass clarinet) and Drew Gress (bass). It's pretty dark... For Roberts, I recommend his new disc on Levelgreen which is called '22 Years From Now'. It's his first disc in 3 years and is all solo improvisations on cello and voice which is really great! Also, Tim Berne's 'Sanctified Dreams' has Roberts on cello and is probably my favorite Berne album. It also includes Herb Robertson, Joey Baron and Mark Dresser. Dave Holland also has some very beautiful solo cello CD's. -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 08:50:25 -0500 From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: bacharach Was anyone out there lucky enough to attend the Bacharach evening at the KF? If so, please contact me at Alan aek1@erols.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:14:40 PST From: "Silent Watcher" Subject: 2 Ion releases for sale I have a copy each of the new Death Cube K and Elixer releases on Ion for sale, if anyone is interested. $15.00 each, postage included. I'll also entertain trades, not necessarily one for one, depending on what anyone has to offer. I'm mostly in search of more obscure (import or out of print) Laswell recordings on vinyl or CD. X-Legged Sally - Slow-Up Nicky Skopelitis - Next To Nothing*** Ronald Shannon Jackson - Texas Last Exit - Headfirst Into the Flames Daniel Ponce - New York Now Phase II - The Roxy Laswell/Namlook - Outland*** Outland and Next to Nothing I'm looking for more-so than the rest. Anything else someone thinks might be of interest to me is fine too. Thanks. Peace, SW ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 97 21:19:08 -0000 From: G=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=e9rard_Rouy?= Subject: Re: cello music Zorn List Digest 12/12/97 16:57 Tristan was part of the ICP Orchestra (together with Ernst Reijseger) during ICP's 30th anniversary last november in Amsterdam. For FMP, he was with Cecil Taylor on a great trio with Evan Parker. >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:20:33 -0500 >From: acapps@usit.net (ashley capps) >Subject: Re: cello music > >Has anyone mentioned Tristan Honsinger? I've enjoyed his work off and on >over the years. There's an Incus duet with Derek Bailey and an FMP lp with >one side of Honsinger solo and the other Altena solo, and then there's a >duet with Gunter Christmann on Moers. Maybe all of these are out of print. >I'm sure that the first two are not on CD. >However, there's an FMP CD that came out a few years ago called Map of >Moods, with essentially a string group + Louis Moholo playing drums. >Partially composed and partially improvised. I enjoyed it quite a bit, but >I have't listened in a while. > >Ashley - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:08:46 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: cello music Gérard Rouy wrote: > Tristan was part of the ICP Orchestra (together with Ernst Reijseger) > during ICP's 30th anniversary last november in Amsterdam. > For FMP, he was with Cecil Taylor on a great trio with Evan Parker. He's also on Cecil's most recent disc, also on FMP, "Always a Pleasure," a terrific septet date that also includes Charles Gayle and Sirone. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:58:25 -0500 From: rbisson@courrier.usherb.ca ( =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Bissonnette) Subject: B.I.G. CD I found a new, sealed copy of Blind Idiot God's "Cyclotron" CD on Avant at a local record store. I'm mentionning this because it seems this has become a rather rare item, so if anybody wants me to buy it for them, or would like to trade for it, let me know. (But be warned, the disc being a Japanese import, it is pretty expensive -- around $35 CAN). Bruno R=E9mi Bissonnette Ph.D. Professeur titulaire =46acult=E9 d'=C9ducation physique et sportive Universit=E9 de Sherbrooke Sherbrooke, Qu=E9bec J1K 2R1 =20 - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:22:51 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Shepherd Subject: CD's for sale. I have some discs to liquidate that have obvious interest to the list. All are $10 (including postage) and it's first come first served, so here we go: + John Zorn: Filmworks III 1990-1995 + John Zorn: Filmworks VII Cynical Hysterie Hour + Naked City: Radio + Naked City: Heretic + Nani Nani feat. Yamantaka Eye and Dekoboko Hajime (aka John Zorn) + Dim Sum Clip Job: Harmolodic Jeopardy (produced by Zorn) I will entertain trades(especially Masada stuff), but would prefer cash. Please email privately. Thank you very much (in my best Elvis) - Mike "It's only romantic 'cause it never works." - Harriet the Spy ********************************* Mike Shepherd rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu Middle Tennessee State University (615) 898-3652 ********************************* - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:55:00 +0100 From: Stephane Vuilleumier Subject: Re: cello music Tristan H. is also on the first (79?) Pop Group single recently reissued as bonus track on a Pop Group CD. A free improv funk punk lead which never quite got where it could have... as already discussed on this list, this is in many way happening again with techno Stephane At 18:08 14.12.97 -0500, you wrote: >G=E9rard Rouy wrote: > >> Tristan was part of the ICP Orchestra (together with Ernst Reijseger) >> during ICP's 30th anniversary last november in Amsterdam. >> For FMP, he was with Cecil Taylor on a great trio with Evan Parker. > >He's also on Cecil's most recent disc, also on FMP, "Always a Pleasure," a >terrific septet date that also includes Charles Gayle and Sirone. > >Steve Smith >ssmith36@sprynet.com > > >- > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:14:22 +0100 From: Stephane Vuilleumier Subject: Re: Tom Cora (Was Re: Cello Music) At 19:43 13.12.97 EST, Jamie F Graves wrote: >What has Tom Cora been doing lately? I haven't seen his name around. The >latest stuff I have of his is Curlew and Third Person. Well, Tom Cora has been busy as far as I know... to me, it seems, working on a lot of live projects with no recorded trace unfortunately. As a selection of his recent stuff of interest to this list, 087 - FIRST DESERTER: Umezu Kazutoki originally on 1995 - Off Note (Japan), ON-7 (CD) was reissued by KFW. 090- THE UNTRACEABLE CIGAR: Roof 1996 - Red Note (Netherlands), red note 4 (CD) with Minton, Ex, and Vatcher is a _very_ good CD a bit like the Ex Cora stuff. Michael Vatcher plays with Zorn on the Spy vs Spy coleman tribute. Roof has been touring mostly after the record was done so I hope ther'll be another one. For people with a feel for crazy DJing , I recommend Otomo's project (I think it's his) 097 - MEMORY & MONEY: Les Sculpteurs de Vinyl 1997 - Stupeur et Trompette (France) (CD) available through Cuneiform or Verge for example. Stephane - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:06:08 UT From: peter_risser@cinfin.com Subject: Cello It seems to me that the first Bang on a Can had something for cello and speaker. Oh, no, that was Failing with Robert Black on Double Bass, which was super excellent anyway. Also, my favorite Kronos record is Winter Was Hard, which, for one thing, has an excellent Zorn piece, also a Piazzolla, Arvo Part and many other excellent tunes. Way better than Short Stories, I thought. Although the Oswald and Sharp pieces on SS are definitely something to write your mom about. - --Peter - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:21:42 -0500 (EST) From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: B.I.G. CD On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Bissonnette wrote: > I found a new, sealed copy of Blind Idiot God's "Cyclotron" CD on Avant at > a local record store. I'm mentionning this because it seems this has > become a rather rare item, so if anybody wants me to buy it for them, or > would like to trade for it, let me know. (But be warned, the disc being a > Japanese import, it is pretty expensive -- around $35 CAN). but what does it sound like? b - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:28:30 +0100 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Re: B.I.G. CD > > I found a new, sealed copy of Blind Idiot God's "Cyclotron" CD on Avant > > > but what does it sound like? It is a guitar/bass/drums -trio. About half of the songs are dub, the others are more rock/noise oriented. Not bad, but I prefer Metatron by Praxis. YVes. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:43:24 -0800 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Triaxium Writings Anyone have a used copy of Anthony Braxton's TRIAXIUM WRITINGS they would like to depart with? (Don't all e-mail me at once, now). s~Z ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ To strengthen what is right in a fool is a holy task. -- I CHING/Hexagram 4/Meng/Youthful Folly __________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:06:55 PST From: "Silent Watcher" Subject: Elixer still available I still have a copy of the Elixer release on ION for sale/trade. I also forgot to mention that it is sealed, although that doesn't mean I won't trade it for a used CD I'm looking for. SW ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:05:53 From: Jesse Simon Subject: Re: more questions about music At 04:42 PM 12/11/97 -0500, ia zha nah er vesen wrote: >Any good recomendations for music invovlving: > >1) solo acoustic guitar + tapes/electronics >2) more generally, anything which has both acoustic instruments and >electronics used in interesting ways? I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but here are some recent releases which I've found interesting. Jim O'Rourke - HAPPY DAYS This album pits Jim O'Rourke's steel string playing against a slowly growing drone which gains in intensity over the course of about forty five minutes. Imagine acoustic guitar being swallowed up by walls of very dark noise. I saw him perform this over the summer and it was quite impressive, although very taxing. It's on the Revenant label. John Fahey - WOMBLIFE Produced by the aforementioned Jim O'Rourke. I really like this album which features John Fahey's incredibly dextrous playing style against these strange soundscapes which were presumably created by Fahey and O'Rourke. I'm not sure how "electronic" the soundscapes are, but it's a good album nonetheless. It's on Table of the Elements. ALSO: Pierre Boulez - ...explosante-fixe... This album was released in 1995 and features some of Boulez's compositions for solo piano. The last piece on the album, titled ...explosante-fixe... is a large composition involving a solo flute and electronics and a chamber ensemble. It is a very complex work and I'm not entirely sure I understand it. While I would not go so far as to call it abstract, I would definitely say that it is following a very hidden logic. On the Deutsche Grammaphon label. Karlheinz Stockhausen has many interesting electroacoustic compositions but they've all been re-released on CD for absolutely ridiculous prices. Hope this helps, Jesse - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:34:46 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Lawrence Schwartz Subject: Re: Triaxium Writings UCLA owns a copy. I read much of it there. It just barely makes sense. I asked Mr. Braxton about it, and he said he'd written it over a long period of time and didn't have an opportunity to revise it, so that much of his terminology is inconsistent. I realize now that he almost surely did not use a computer or word processor, but actually typed its ca. 1200 pages! Point being, you can probably interlibrary loan it if you're connected to a university. I say read Graham Lock and Ron Radano's books on Braxton and the liner notes to as many of the HatArt and Arista albums as you can get. There's an address in Lock's Forces in Motion where you can order the Triaxium Writings, but I recall that they were very expensive. Also mentioned were Braxton's 3 volumes of Composition Notes-I don't know if these ever actually appeared. Anyone? On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Schwitterz wrote: > Anyone have a used copy of Anthony Braxton's TRIAXIUM WRITINGS they would > like to depart with? > > (Don't all e-mail me at once, now). > > s~Z > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > To strengthen what is right in a fool is a holy task. > -- I CHING/Hexagram 4/Meng/Youthful Folly > __________________________________________ > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #192 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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