From: Zorn List Digest Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 8:01 AM To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #193 Zorn List Digest Tuesday, December 16 1997 Volume 02 : Number 193 In this issue: - CD sale Re: CD sale Re: cello music Re: Triaxium Writings Re: more questions about music Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #192 NYC Gig Plug - Amendola/Walrath/Hunter Re: Moondog, alive and well... Re: MRE - crossfire Re: more questions about music Re: Zorn doing Bacharach at KF Re: _Document ..._ on Leo? Kuryokhin/Zorn/Kronos Quartet ties Re: Kuryokhin/Zorn/Kronos Quartet ties Braxton writings Where to get the cello-CDs? Re: Where to get the cello-CDs? Covers Re: Kuryokhin's death Re: Covers Re: Kuryokhin's death Re: Covers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:26:03 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: CD sale Yeah! Another CD sale on the Zorn list!!! I will entertain any trade offers. All the discs are in great condition. The prices include shipping. Here they are: Kazutoki Umezu - First Deserter (KFW) -w/Ribot, Horvitz, etc.- $11 (very new) Parliament - Gloryhallastoopid (Casablanca) $8 Michael Formanek - Extended Animation (Enja) -w/Berne, Feldman, etc.- $10 Jon Rose - Violin Music For Restaurants (ReR) $11 (very new) James Brown - The Original Showman Live! (Streetlife) $6 p53 - p53 (ReR) -A Chris Cutler project with Otomo Yoshihide- $11 Henry Cowell - Piano Music (Smithsonian Folkways) -performed by Cowell- $12 (very new) Joey Baron - Tongue In Groove (JMT) -out of print- $11 First come, first serve. -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:05:16 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: CD sale Tom Pratt wrote: > > Yeah! Another CD sale on the Zorn list!!! I will entertain any trade > offers. All the discs are in great condition. The prices include > shipping. Here they are: > > Kazutoki Umezu - First Deserter (KFW) -w/Ribot, Horvitz, etc.- $11 (very > new) > Parliament - Gloryhallastoopid (Casablanca) $8 > Michael Formanek - Extended Animation (Enja) -w/Berne, Feldman, etc.- > $10 > Jon Rose - Violin Music For Restaurants (ReR) $11 (very new) > James Brown - The Original Showman Live! (Streetlife) $6 > p53 - p53 (ReR) -A Chris Cutler project with Otomo Yoshihide- $11 > Henry Cowell - Piano Music (Smithsonian Folkways) -performed by Cowell- > $12 (very new) > Joey Baron - Tongue In Groove (JMT) -out of print- $11 OH! and one more I forgot!!! FM Einheit/Caspar Brotzmann - Merry Christmas $10 -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:24:35 -500 From: Toshi Makihara Subject: Re: cello music On 1997-12-14 grouy@nordnet.fr said: >Zorn List Digest 12/12/97 16:57 >Tristan was part of the ICP Orchestra (together with Ernst >Reijseger) during ICP's 30th anniversary last november in Amsterdam. >For FMP, he was with Cecil Taylor on a great trio with Evan Parker. I saw his solo at this place called ZU Club in NYC back in 1983 or so.. He was incredible! It was a funny midtown space, and they had Peter Bregvad - John Greaves, and Perry Robinson (clarinet).. Honsinger's solo was just amazing, and I never forget that he started to pick nose, walk forward towards audience and saying something while playing real wildly.. Does he ever come to US? Does he perform in E.Coast? I am a big fan of him and love to see him again.. It's been 15 years! TOSHI MAKIHARA: tosmos@voicenet.com / tosmosj@voicenet.com(Japanese) Net-Tamer V 1.10.1 - Registered - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:49:21 -0800 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: Triaxium Writings Schwartz responded to Schwitterz, Re: Triaxium Writings-- >UCLA owns a copy. Point being, you can probably interlibrary loan it if you're connected to >a university. Thanks for the tip. I will do this. >There's an address in Lock's Forces in Motion where you can order the >Triaxium Writings, but I recall that they were very expensive. Also >mentioned were Braxton's 3 volumes of Composition Notes-I don't know if >these ever actually appeared. Anyone? Frog Peak Music offers all of the above, including FIVE volumes of Composition notes. http://www.sover.net/~frogpeak/fpartists/fpbraxton.html Thanks again, s~Z - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:06:59 -0800 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: more questions about music >At 04:42 PM 12/11/97 -0500, ia zha nah er vesen wrote: >>Any good recomendations for music invovlving: >> >>1) solo acoustic guitar + tapes/electronics >>2) more generally, anything which has both acoustic instruments and >>electronics used in interesting ways? These sites may be of interest: http://comp.music.lsu.edu/seamus/ http://www.emf.org/index.html s~Z - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:37:20 -0500 (EST) From: David Newgarden Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #192 On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Stephane Vuilleumier wrote: > Has Tom Cora already been mentioned? > He's all over the place playing in all kinds > of different settings , but there's not so much > stuff solo available on record. Sorry if this already mentioned -- Cora has an excellent solo cd: GUMPTION IN LIMBO (released by Sound Aspects in 1991). - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:15:54 -0600 (CST) From: Tom Benton Subject: NYC Gig Plug - Amendola/Walrath/Hunter Maybe you did or maybe you didn't catch the 1st installment back in November, but here's the long awaited 2nd in a series of gigs cheerfully brought to you by Bay Area drummer guy Scott Amendola. - -------------- Tuesday, December 23 - The Alterknit Theatre (down in the basement of the Knitting Factory) - 74 Leonard St. in Manhattan - 7PM - $7 The tentative lineup for this gig includes Scott Amendola, ex-Mingus trumpeter and all around wizard of sound Mr. Jack Walrath, and 8-string guitar ace Charlie Hunter (now a NYC resident in case ya didn't know), with the always active possiblity of the appearance of other wild'n'crazy guest stars. Who know what they'll be playing...but it's bound to be fun. So if you're man enough to face the cold, then get your butts out of the house, head downtown, and check these boys out. Later all.. - -Tom - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:58:27 PST From: "John Q Citizen" Subject: Re: Moondog, alive and well... Err; I seem to recall some damn-fool Australian reports Moondog aka Louis Hardin shuffling off his mortal coil a while back. Well, I'm happy to report it ain't necessarily so - for all his years the wonderful Mr Moondog is fully alive, and prospering (still in Germany, so far as I know). Now that's a cause for rejoicing. Happy Yuletide, Hannukah, whatever... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:02:59 PST From: "John Q Citizen" Subject: Re: MRE - crossfire Haven't heard this yet, but apparently Birdland has copies in stock: new Music Revelation Ensemble disc, "Crossfire", with Zorn and Pharoah Sanders both. Should be quite a thing... (Australian listers will be dead-pleased to note: apparently the MRE wings our way in Jan of '98) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:10:41 PST From: "John Q Citizen" Subject: Re: more questions about music >>At 04:42 PM 12/11/97 -0500, ia zha nah er vesen wrote: >>>Any good recomendations for music invovlving: >>>electronics used in interesting ways? > > 2 wonderful (tho', not so new) things I've picked up in the last year: an early LP by Otomo Yoshihide and Hirose Junji, "Silanganan Ingay" (from '89, and still available!), and an LP by a swiss combo called Runzelstock and Gurgelstirn, "Mama". This last ones oop I think, but they've got plenty other stuff that's still available. They tend towards v great and inspired racket of a Mittel-European Dadaist -type persuasion; lotsa yelling, unidentifiable noises sourced from contact mikes, and etc. Also: they boast a keen sense of *dynamics* in constructing this stuff. I mean - its just about the greatest stuff in this vein I've heard in an absolute age. I think the new Bananafish has an interview with them. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:57:22 -1000 From: Dan Kuehn Subject: Re: Zorn doing Bacharach at KF I caught some parts of this, and some rehearsals, on the realaudio broadcast, and would like to know who all was actually in that main band? - Guy Klucevzek opened with an inspired medley, then a band that looked and sounded like piano, cello and maybe a bass, 2 saxes, trumpet, drums, guitar and one guy on trombone and possibly euphonium or french horn. They made the Bacharach book into free standards and unrecognizable hybrids - fantastic! In rehearsals I also heard 2 guys harmonizing "wishin and hopin", sort of hopelessly straight. As usual, about 5pm HI time, 10pm NY, the net clogged and I heard no more, but I now want to check out the album. - -- Dan Kuehn resident manager Kailua Maui Gardens - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 04:38:48 EST From: Dgasque Subject: Re: _Document ..._ on Leo? In a message dated 97-12-13 02:05:20 EST, you (beuchaw@enteract.com (Brian & Sharon Beuchaw)) wrote: (snip) << So if anyone would be so kind as to let me know what _Document_ is like, I'd appreciate it very much.... >> I very well could have had one of the first few of these that went out the door of Cadence mailorder. I prepaid for this one because Cadence wasn't sure how many they were going to get. IMO, this is one of the "events" of the century- 8 CDs, almost 10 hours of previously unreleased then-Soviet avant- garde/jazz from familiar artists of the label and unknowns alike. I wish I knew where to start in my descriptions without getting long-winded. Standouts in the box set are hard to determine, for there are few "low" points, if any. _Dearly Departed_ is a group of folk songs that musically portray life in the then-Soviet Union, a sort of "happy-sadness" for lack of better terms. In contrast, Jazz Group Arkhangelsk give a rousing comical approach to their music and shows that Radio Free Europe had a great deal of influence on this generation of musicians. Valya Goncharova submits a grand piece of musique-concrete with multiple violins and percussions, while Vyacheslav Guyvoronsky and Vladimir Volkov perform two Russian "ragas." Sergey Kuryokhin makes multiple appearances- in a duo with Anatoly Vapirov (mult. reeds) and in a trio with Boris Grebenshchikov (g) and Vladimir Chekasin (as). Two of his early recordings also appear here in a trio setting with Igor Butman (as) and Alexander Pumpyan (g). Other recordings include Valentina Ponomareva, Tri-o, Homo Liber, Ganelin Trio, plus others. If you are at all familiar with Leo Records and enjoy their catalog, this is a *must own*. I cannot praise this collection enough. =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 04:38:50 EST From: Dgasque Subject: Kuryokhin/Zorn/Kronos Quartet ties As I was looking through the liners of Leo's _Document_, there is a mention that "as of this writing" (in 1989), Kuryokhin was making plans for performances with John Zorn and writing scores for the Kronos 4tet. Did any of this come to fruition? Another question- I would be interested in anyone's comments on the Kuryokhin box set. I had heard rumor that this was coming out, but never anything else. If you have a chance to grab anything by this musician whose life ended all to early, I couldn't encourage you enough to do so. =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:12:52 +0100 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Re: Kuryokhin/Zorn/Kronos Quartet ties > If you have a chance to grab anything by this musician whose life > ended all to early, I couldn't encourage you enough to do so. I was not aware of the death of Kuryokhin. The last time I saw him was at a concert in 1995, can somebody please send more details ? Thanks, YVes - - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 07:43:39 -0500 From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com Subject: Braxton writings > ------------------------------ > > From: Jeff Lawrence Schwartz > Subject: Re: Triaxium Writings > I say read Graham Lock and Ron Radano's books on Braxton and the liner > notes to as many of the HatArt and Arista albums as you can get. > There's an address in Lock's Forces in Motion where you can order the > Triaxium Writings, but I recall that they were very expensive. Also > mentioned were Braxton's 3 volumes of Composition Notes-I don't know if > these ever actually appeared. Anyone? They're all available from Frog Peak: http://www.sover.net/~frogpeak/fpartists/fpbraxton.html Even better than the books by Lock and Radano (you're interested in AB's philosophy/metaphysics) is Mike Heffley's "The Music of Anthony Braxton". Heffley teaches at Wesleyen (as does Braxton) and he really seems to understand this stuff and does a fine job of explaining it all (though it's rough going at times). It's in hardback (Greenwood, $65) or paper (Excelsior, $25). Amazon lists both. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:07:26 +0100 From: Friedrich Feger Subject: Where to get the cello-CDs? When I tried to order some of the recommended cello CDs (thanks alot in deed), I experienced difficulties: Erik Friedlaender's Chimera: THE WATCHMAN is on Tzadik, isn't it? Although my local record store (JPC Germany, quite a big mail order catalogue) has a lot from Tzadik, e.g. Zorn's work, they don't have this one. It also wasn't in the Koch Catalogue they showed me. Thud. Which label / distributor is Hank Roberts: 22 YEARS FROM NOW Maya Beiser: GUDAIDULINA AND USVOLSKAYA? They weren't in any of these catalogues too. *nervously looking forward to answers* Fritz. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:45:05 -0500 From: Sean Terwilliger Subject: Re: Where to get the cello-CDs? Friedrich Feger wrote: > Which label / distributor is > Hank Roberts: 22 YEARS FROM NOW That can be ordered from http://www.levelgreen.com Hank also has a new trio CD out which can be ordered there. BTW. Not affiliated. Never used them. - -Sean - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:48:24 UT From: peter_risser@cinfin.com Subject: Covers I believe, if memory serves, you can do live covers of anything you want, for example: Phish, without having to get permission from anyone or pay one red cent. You can also cover anything you want on record, but you need to pay royalties and if the artist doesn't want to work out a royalty deal, then I think the publishing company steps in and has standard, very expensive deals that it offers. I think thems the rules. So, you could cover all the Michael Jackson tunes on stage you want, but if you decide to release a record, you gotta pay for the right. I think that's right. - --Peter - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:10:46 -0600 (CST) From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw Subject: Re: Kuryokhin's death On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Yves Dewulf wrote: > > > If you have a chance to grab anything by this musician whose life > > ended all to early, I couldn't encourage you enough to do so. > > I was not aware of the death of Kuryokhin. > The last time I saw him was at a concert in 1995, > can somebody please send more details ? > > Thanks, > YVes He died in July 96, don't know the cause tho (maybe a heart attack). cya brian - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:18:15 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Covers On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 peter_risser@cinfin.com wrote: > I believe, if memory serves, you can do live covers of anything you want, for > example: Phish, without having to get permission from anyone or pay one red > cent. You can also cover anything you want on record, but you need to pay > royalties and if the artist doesn't want to work out a royalty deal, then I > think the publishing company steps in and has standard, very expensive deals > that it offers. I think thems the rules. So, you could cover all the Michael > Jackson tunes on stage you want, but if you decide to release a record, you > gotta pay for the right. The standard rate is surprisingly low. On Comma's upcoming CD, we're covering John Cage's "Songbooks". We were surprised at how low the rate was. For the real scoop on this, hit yer local bookstore or library and grab the book 'This Business of Music" (I don't recall the author, since my copy of the book has been circling among the ensemble). It's a comprehensive reference on all this kinda stuff. Every musician should have a copy, or at least access to one. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:22:24 -0800 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: Kuryokhin's death >> I was not aware of the death of Kuryokhin. >> The last time I saw him was at a concert in 1995, >> can somebody please send more details ? >> >> Thanks, >> YVes > >He died in July 96, don't know the cause tho (maybe a heart attack). > >cya >brian This webpage http://connexus.apana.org.au/~joeb/kuryokhin.htm reveals the following: Kuryokhin was hospitalized since May 7 and died on July 9, 1996, from cancer of heart. There was not enough money ($200 000) for the operation that could have been performed with the help of Western doctors. It is scary. It is scary that such a person lost his life because nobody cared to pay the money. Sergei Kuryokhin is buried in Komarovo, near St.Petersburg. s~Z - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:45:12 -0600 From: JRZ Subject: Re: Covers At 02:48 PM 12/16/97 UT, peter_risser@cinfin.com wrote: >I believe, if memory serves, you can do live covers of anything you want, for >example: Phish, without having to get permission from anyone or pay one red >cent. You can also cover anything you want on record, but you need to pay >royalties and if the artist doesn't want to work out a royalty deal, then I >think the publishing company steps in and has standard, very expensive deals >that it offers. I think thems the rules. So, you could cover all the Michael >Jackson tunes on stage you want, but if you decide to release a record, you >gotta pay for the right. > >I think that's right. If you're a primarily cover band I think you need to pay royalties for the right to play other people's songs. In most cases the clubs are the ones who take care of the fees. The fees might also come from union dues. I took a music class that covered some legal aspects but that was a long time ago so I could be mistaken. There are fees to be paid but the musicians are rarely the ones who have to deal with it. zube my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm Nyquist was wrong. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #193 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. 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