From: Zorn List Digest Sent: Thursday, December 18, 1997 9:22 AM To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #194 Zorn List Digest Thursday, December 18 1997 Volume 02 : Number 194 In this issue: - david shea's satyricon Re: Kuryokhin's death Re: Kuryokhin's death Re: Covers Re: david shea's satyricon Re: Kuryokhin's death Re: Covers Re: Moondog, alive and well... Re: Where to get the cello-CDs? Re: Moondog, alive and well... Re: more questions about music Recent musician's death Re: Recent musician's death Hi everybody Re: Recent musician's death Re: Recent musician's death Last Exit Re: Last Exit Re: Last Exit Re: Where to get the cello-CDs? Tim Berne Re: Last Exit Re: Tim Berne ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:40:44 -0500 (EST) From: ia zha nah er vesen Subject: david shea's satyricon what is this album like? - -jascha - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:03:38 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Kuryokhin's death On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:22:24 -0800 "Schwitterz" wrote: > > > >> I was not aware of the death of Kuryokhin. > >> The last time I saw him was at a concert in 1995, > >> can somebody please send more details ? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> YVes > > > >He died in July 96, don't know the cause tho (maybe a heart attack). > > > >cya > >brian > > This webpage http://connexus.apana.org.au/~joeb/kuryokhin.htm reveals the > following: > > Kuryokhin was hospitalized since May 7 and died on July 9, 1996, from cancer > of heart. There was not enough money ($200 000) for the operation that could > have been performed with the help of Western doctors. It is scary. It is I would not go so far... Some doctors seem always able to convince you that they can do something, regardless how terminally ill you are... Might help them to get a new BMW. Not sure it really does anything to the patient. Heart cancer? Sounds like serious stuff to me. What these European doctors could have done? Give him an extra couple months of life in a vegetative state? But if you imply that he could have been saved, that's another story and I agree with you. Patrice. > scary that such a person lost his life because nobody cared to pay the > money. Sergei Kuryokhin is buried in Komarovo, near St.Petersburg. > > s~Z > > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:04:14 -0800 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: Kuryokhin's death >But if you imply that he could have been saved, that's another story and I >agree with you. > > Patrice. All of the text regarding Kuryokhin's death were words from the website, not mine. s~Z - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:03:45 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Shepherd Subject: Re: Covers Actually, included in the exclusive rights of copyright is performance rights. You are supposed to get a license to perform any copyrighted work that you do not own the rights to. BUT, it's so easy to get away with it, so most people don't worry about it. I know I don't. - Mike "It's only romantic 'cause it never works." - Harriet the Spy ********************************* Mike Shepherd rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu Middle Tennessee State University (615) 898-3652 ********************************* - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:44:31 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: david shea's satyricon >>>>> "ia" == ia zha nah er vesen writes: ia> what is this album like? I posted a review of this a few months ago, which you can find at ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/zorn-list/archive/zorn-list.9710. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:19:06 EST From: Dgasque Subject: Re: Kuryokhin's death In a message dated 97-12-16 10:29:54 EST, you write: << Kuryokhin was hospitalized since May 7 and died on July 9, 1996, from cancer of heart. There was not enough money ($200 000) for the operation that could have been performed with the help of Western doctors. It is scary. It is scary that such a person lost his life because nobody cared to pay the money. Sergei Kuryokhin is buried in Komarovo, near St.Petersburg. >> I had heard the story, but not the details. It is indeed sad that money kept him from fulfilling a larger dream. It is especially sad that there are "artists" with maybe enough talent to fit under Kuryokhin's fingernail that have millions of dollars. =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:34:09 -0700 From: john shiurba Subject: Re: Covers > Actually, included in the exclusive rights of copyright is performance > rights. You are supposed to get a license to perform any copyrighted work > that you do not own the rights to. BUT, it's so easy to get away with it, > so most people don't worry about it. I know I don't. - Mike this came up recently in the bay area-- basically the clubs are required to pay ASCAP and BMI dues if they have a jukebox, live bands playing covers, or in any way use protected music to bring in paying customers. there was a local club here that had bands playing _almost_ entirely their own music and decided to skip the BMI dues, then they were 'busted' by a BMI scout who heard a band doing a cover in the club. - -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:56:30 -0500 From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: Moondog, alive and well... John Q Citizen wrote: > Err; I seem to recall some damn-fool Australian reports Moondog aka > Louis Hardin shuffling off his mortal coil a while back. Well, I'm > happy > to report it ain't necessarily so - for all his years the wonderful Mr > > Moondog is fully alive, and prospering (still in Germany, so far as I > know). > > Now that's a cause for rejoicing. Happy Yuletide, Hannukah, > whatever... > > This may seem rather strange for the Zorn list, but... Moondog has an excellent new CD on Atlantic. Yes, that's right. Actually is was recorded in 1994. Now the guy is about 80 something years old, but the music is very fresh and creative. The title is Sax Pax for Sax. It's by Moondog and the london saxophonic. I would describe the music as a mix of German theater courtesy of Weill, throw in some saxophone choir, some King Oliver, a bit of accordian that is actually the sax choir, and some delightfully playful vocals. Oh yes, a few suites, some Shakespeare, and Mr. Moondog's earnest bass drum. Then there's the cut "Paris." Once you hear this you'll never be the same. You will have this tune implanted into your brain and find yourself singing it in the shower day after day. "Paree, Paree, da da da da da da." Alan Kayser - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:24:02 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Where to get the cello-CDs? Friedrich Feger wrote: > Erik Friedlaender's Chimera: THE WATCHMAN is on Tzadik, isn't it? Although > my local record store (JPC Germany, quite a big mail order catalogue) has a > lot from Tzadik, e.g. Zorn's work, they don't have this one. It also wasn't > in the Koch Catalogue they showed me. Thud. I don't think Koch distributes Tzadik in Germany... I believe it's actually 99 Distribution or something like that. > Maya Beiser: GUDAIDULINA AND USVOLSKAYA? Koch International Classics, most definitely distributed by Koch in all territories.If you're into online ordering, everything Koch USA distributes is available through CDNow (www.cdnow.com). Nobody anywhere has heard the solo Reijseger I asked about? ;-) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:09:37 -0800 From: Michael Howes Subject: Re: Moondog, alive and well... >Moondog has an excellent new CD on Atlantic. Yes, that's right. >Actually is was recorded in 1994. Now the guy is about 80 something >years old, but the music is very fresh and creative. The title is Sax >Pax for Sax. This is a reissue. It saw the light of day about 1.5 years ago or more on a small label called Kopf. mike mhowes@best.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:50:49 +0100 From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com Subject: Re: more questions about music > 2 wonderful (tho', not so new) things I've picked up in the last year: > an early LP by Otomo Yoshihide and Hirose Junji, "Silanganan Ingay" > (from '89, and still available!), and an LP by a swiss combo called > Runzelstock and Gurgelstirn, "Mama". > This last ones oop I think, but they've got plenty other stuff that's > still available. They tend towards v great and inspired racket of a > Mittel-European Dadaist -type persuasion; lotsa yelling, unidentifiable > noises sourced from contact mikes, and etc. Also: they boast a keen > sense of *dynamics* in constructing this stuff. I mean - its just about > the greatest stuff in this vein I've heard in an absolute age. I think > the new Bananafish has an interview with them. Actually, the 'band' is called Runzelstirn & Gurgelstock. I haven't heard Mama, but I can surely recommend another of their discs, "HO". It has 69 pieces of completely cut-up sounds, sometimes unidentifiable, ranging from high-pitched tones to claps, shouts, screams, slamming of doors, etc. Extremely dadaist in its approach. Also a lot of silence is used in the various pieces. This is probably the album that made me reconsider my opinion about "what is music" more than any other. Runzelstirn mainly releases their (or should I say 'his', because as far as I know Runzelstirn consists of Rudolv Eb.er only) stuff through their own (?) label Schimpfluch. Some of it is released through other labels, for example the German label Selektion. Frankco. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:43:46 -0800 From: Jason Edward Kocol Subject: Recent musician's death Hi, I seem to not receive the digest as regularly as I used to, so if this has already been covered, I apologize. Anyway, 2 nights ago I attended a show for 'Snorkel', which is comprised of Ben Goldberg, John Schott, Trevor Dunn, and Scott Amendola. The show was excellent, yet the exception that night was Amendola was absent due to attending a funeral in Montreal. Apparently a San Francisco bay area saxophonist was killed recently. Does anyone happen to know the name of the musician? The band had said, yet it was rather quietly, so the name eluded me. Any help on this would be appreciated. - -Jason http://users.lanminds.com/~suburban - The s u b u r b a n Homepage http://members.tripod.com/~misterlazy - The Music of Mister Lazy - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:30:55 -0600 From: JRZ Subject: Re: Recent musician's death At 10:43 AM 12/17/97 -0800, Jason Edward Kocol wrote: >Hi, > I seem to not receive the digest as regularly as I used to, so if >this has already been covered, I apologize. > Anyway, 2 nights ago I attended a show for 'Snorkel', which is >comprised of Ben Goldberg, John Schott, Trevor Dunn, and Scott Amendola. >The show was excellent, yet the exception that night was Amendola was >absent due to attending a funeral in Montreal. Apparently a San >Francisco bay area saxophonist was killed recently. Does anyone happen >to know the name of the musician? The band had said, yet it was rather >quietly, so the name eluded me. Any help on this would be appreciated. I don't remember his name but he played in the Charlie Hunter Quartet. That kinda narrows it down, the guy who isn't Dave Ellis. I don't have the Quartet album so I couldn't tell ya. zube my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm Nyquist was wrong. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:33:37 -0400 From: "Simon Thibaudeau" Subject: Hi everybody Hi, I'm new to the list so I figured I should present myself. My name is Simon and I am a Student in Quebec city, Canada. I'm new to the work of Mr. Zorn having just bought Naked City's "Black Box". I am much more familiar to his collaborators in Painkiller, Bill Laswell and Mick Harris, and other "metal" collaborators: Kevin Sharp, Eye,... I had already tried to listen to his more jazz oriented work like Cobra but I didn't quite like it as much as Mr Bungle and Naked City. Thank you for attention and hope to have great discussion with all of you. Simon - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:53:28 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Recent musician's death > > I seem to not receive the digest as regularly as I used to, so if > >this has already been covered, I apologize. > > Anyway, 2 nights ago I attended a show for 'Snorkel', which is > >comprised of Ben Goldberg, John Schott, Trevor Dunn, and Scott Amendola. > >The show was excellent, yet the exception that night was Amendola was > >absent due to attending a funeral in Montreal. Apparently a San > >Francisco bay area saxophonist was killed recently. Does anyone happen > >to know the name of the musician? The band had said, yet it was rather > >quietly, so the name eluded me. Any help on this would be appreciated. > > I don't remember his name but he played in the Charlie Hunter Quartet. That > kinda narrows it down, the guy who isn't Dave Ellis. I don't have the > Quartet album so I couldn't tell ya. Calder Spanier? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:23:54 -0500 From: James Hale Subject: Re: Recent musician's death Jason Edward Kocol wrote: > > The show was excellent, yet the exception that night was Amendola was > absent due to attending a funeral in Montreal. Apparently a San > Francisco bay area saxophonist was killed recently. Does anyone happen > to know the name of the musician? The band had said, yet it was rather > quietly, so the name eluded me. Any help on this would be appreciated. It was Calder Spanier, saxophonist in the Charlie Hunter Quartet. He was killed in a car accident on a bridge in San Francisco. Calder's father is Canadian trumpeter Herbie Spanier, who co-led (with Paul Bley) the band that became the Ornette Coleman Quartet at the Hilltop Club in LA. James Hale - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:44:25 -0500 From: rbisson@courrier.usherb.ca ( =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Bissonnette) Subject: Last Exit I was wondering if anybody here could help me with this: where's the best place to start listening to Last Exit? In other words, which of their recordings is the best, or the most "essential", and would be a good starting point to the rest of their material? B.T.W., I heard excerpts from their Enemy Records releases, all were excellent, especially those from "The Noise of Trouble". Bruno R=E9mi Bissonnette Ph.D. Professeur titulaire =46acult=E9 d'=C9ducation physique et sportive Universit=E9 de Sherbrooke Sherbrooke, Qu=E9bec J1K 2R1 =20 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:27:37 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Last Exit Rémi Bissonnette wrote: > I was wondering if anybody here could help me with this: where's the best > place to start listening to Last Exit? In other words, which of their > recordings is the best, or the most "essential", and would be a good > starting point to the rest of their material? I would argue that there's not a bad place to start except for the studio album "Iron Path" which is so studiobound and effects-laden that it comes off not as a Last Exit album but as a Laswell solo project with really cool sidemen. For what it is, I like it just fine. But if you're really looking for the titanic, sodden Dionysian abandon for which this band was best known, any of the five live albums is a great place to start. My own favorite is probably "Cassette Recordings '87" on Celluloid, also available as "From the Board" on Enemy. This has the grand "Line of Fire," Shannon Jackson's barking cover of Jimmy Reed's "Big Boss Man," and the subtly-titled classics that really show where the band lived, "Sore Titties" and "My Ball / Your Chin." Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:52:18 -0800 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Last Exit At 12:27 AM 12/18/97 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: >any of the five live albums is a great place to start. My own favorite is >probably "Cassette Recordings '87" on Celluloid, also available as "From the >Board" on Enemy. I would also recommend this as a great place to start. Also, it is somewhat available. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:25:45 +0100 From: Friedrich Feger Subject: Re: Where to get the cello-CDs? At 00:24 17.12.97 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: >Nobody anywhere has heard the solo Reijseger I asked about? ;-) This one is available here... I ordered it, so if you could be patient for some few more days ;-) Best wishes and lots of heavy-weight christmas presents to you all! Fritz. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:27:44 -0700 From: Jason Tors Subject: Tim Berne Hello All, Did anyone check out the Tim Berne preformance at the Knit Old Office last night? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:40:45 -0500 From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: Last Exit R=E9mi Bissonnette wrote: >=20 > I was wondering if anybody here could help me with this: where's the be= st > place to start listening to Last Exit? In other words, which of their > recordings is the best, or the most "essential", and would be a good > starting point to the rest of their material? For sheer sonic assault, their first s/t LP, which was recorded live, and then radically salvaged/remixed by Bobby Musso, is a good starting point. Noise of Trouble has the best sound of the bunch, but IMO suffers from the clarity. Koln, Headfirst into The Flames, and Cassette recordings 87 are made up of excerpts from live gigs, my personal fave being CS 87. The studio album Iron Path, gets knocked by free-jazz fans, and by Brotzman himself, but I like it alot. It has more of a prog feel, and wouldnt be out of place next to King Crimson or Mahavishnu. =09 Rich BTW, I'm about half done with my Sharrock Tribute website. Most of the graphics are up, and I'm now scanning in some interview material.I've still got a lot of text and other stuff(soundfiles etc.) to put up, but=20 for a preview, go to: http://pages.cthome.net/richwilliams/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:18:42 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Tim Berne Jason Tors wrote: > Did anyone check out the Tim Berne preformance at the Knit Old > Office last night? Yup. A fine pair of sets, not the best I've seen but certainly nothing bad about them either, and it was the first time they'd played togther in a very long time. "No, Ma'am," "Snow White," "Are We There Yet?" and a particularly strange "Byram's World" were among the highlights. Jim Black was particularly monstrous all night long; listening to him is great, but watching him at the same time will spin your head around. Very small audience for the first set, a few more for the second. The sound really fills this little room. Around 10:30 a thud-rock band started playing really loud in the Alterknit, a serious distraction during the quiet second half of "Mr. Johnson's Blues," a reminder that while it's a cozy new room, it's still the Knit... (During the sets in the Alterknit this time last year, bumps and crashes from the outrageously loud Metheny/Bailey conflagration upstairs could frequently be heard, but last night's noise, though shorter in duration, was considerably more distracting.) Late in the second set Tim had to ask someone to "stop smoking that tree" assuming that someone was puffing away on a big cigar given the volume of smoke coming up to the stage; actually there was only one person smoking plain old cigarettes but it was right next to the stage so this sorta speaks to the air circulation in the room. At another point he told Mike that he "should have remembered to include oxygen in the band's contract rider." I expect they will continue to improve as the week goes on. One thing to expect if you go down, though... originally it was announced that shows in the Old Office would be $5. But then they tacked on a $5 drink minimum and you have to pay it up front since there's no waitstaff to keep track of it downstairs. So you're paying $10 at the door, not $5. But in most ways it's still the best bargain in town, especially given the lineup they've got booked so far. And no, I didn't see any taping going on, though one of our finest practioners of the art ;-) was right next to me all night (he wasn't rolling) ... I'm going again tonight, so if anything unusual or particularly outstanding happens I'll let you know. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #194 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date.