From xmission.com!zorn-list-digest-request Tue Apr 16 13:05:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: from xmission.xmission.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0u98bb-0003wjC; Tue, 16 Apr 96 04:07 PDT Received: (from root@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) id EAA18773; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 04:56:09 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 04:56:09 -0600 (MDT) From: zorn-list-digest-request@xmission.com Message-Id: <199604161056.EAA18773@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: zorn-list-digest Digest V96 #11 X-Loop: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com X-Mailing-List: archive/volume96/11 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Status: RO ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain zorn-list-digest Digest Volume 96 : Issue 11 Today's Topics: masada/frisell [ jk@ritz.mordor.com (jonathan kaye) ] zorn/judaism [ jk@ritz.mordor.com (jonathan kaye) ] Re: masada/frisell [ IOUaLive1@aol.com ] Zorn & Walter Hill [ Wlt4@aol.com ] Two Things [ "Peter Risser" ] Re: masada/frisell [ scott mclemore ] Re: Makigami Koichi [ insulin@slip.net (Marc Kate) ] Knit Taping [ "D.J. Toman" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" i caught wednesday's late set with frisell at the knitting factory. as an aside, i'm really tired of the kf treating the fans like shit. three shows in one evening made it impossible to get up and down the stairs, only one bartender on duty and packed into the performance like sardines - but the knitting factory's always been like that and probably always will be. anyway, what everyone's really concerned with - the performance. i felt that frisell really took a lot away from the vibe the band was trying to give off. face it, the band practices as a quartet and they've been playing as a quartet live recently and frisell's electric guitar just didn't fit in. i used to be a big fan of frisell's but it seems that his style just refuses to change and it's gotten a bit old to me by now. zorn seemed happy to let him solo throughout the night but, except for the last song of the set, his solos really led nowhere. finally during the last song (sorry, it's too tough to match masada titles to the songs) he let go with a really funky solo which was great. also, during the same song (and the encore) anthony coleman played piano and that added a lot to both songs - i'd like to see a full show with coleman on piano. i guess frisell just didn't seem to fit in with the accoustic masada format. eveyone on stage joked around and laughed a lot but some friends i brought to the show, who are totally unfamiliar with zorn/frisell and their ongoing musical relationship thought the band was actually making fun of him during the set. while i'm sure that wasn't what was going on, they were right when they pointed out that frisell looks a lot like steve forbes. jon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:54:29 -0400 From: jk@ritz.mordor.com (jonathan kaye) To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: zorn/judaism Message-Id: <199604130454.AAA16030@ritz.mordor.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" has zorn ever spoken in public about what his feelings on judaism are? i know he's the unofficial leader of the radical jewish culture scene, but, for example, during the september '93 zorn month at the knitting factory i believe he played on both of the high holy days. also, he seem to alway be wearing tsetsin (sp?), the fringe orthodox jews wear around their waist, but he doesn't wear a yarmulke, which is supposed to be worn with tsitsin. i'm not trying to set him up or anything. as an atheist who was raised jewish i certainly consider myself to belong to a jewish culture and don't reject the religion, but was wondering if zorn has spoken on this topic. jon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 03:13:10 -0400 From: IOUaLive1@aol.com To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Re: masada/frisell Message-ID: <960413031309_270852487@emout08.mail.aol.com> I caught the Frisell set and the Masada set on Wednesday. I was a great evening. For anyone who is a Frisell fan, trust me--it was incredible! He fit in and really added to the sound of the band. I've seen Masada 8 or 9 times and they always sound great, that night they sounded like Masada, but with an amazing guitarist who can sit in with anybody. This wasnt the first time Frisell has played with them. Zorn was definitely psyched to have Bill there (as was everyone else in the band). He also let out some great comments throughout the night. "Come on Bill give it to me! Play that motherfucker!!" After the first tune someone told Bill to turn up, then someone said to Bill, "show us your nasty side" then Zorn says "You can suck his nasty side!" They did some tunes that arent usually played by Masada, I've got a setlist, I'm not sure if all the spellings are right, but here it is: 1) Midbar 2) Halom 3) Miktav 4) Baciarach (sp?) 5) Idalah - abal 6) Hafla'ah 7) Kilayum ---- 8) Vehuel 9) Gewrah (encore) ___________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:01:31 -0400 From: Wlt4@aol.com To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Zorn & Walter Hill Message-ID: <960413140131_271045549@emout04.mail.aol.com> I tried to post this a week ago but it apparently never went through. Zorn was thanked in the closing credits to Trespass; does anybody know why? I remembered this when seeing the upcoming release of soundtrack music for an "untitled film." Best, Lang Thompson http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 09:07:33 +500 From: "Peter Risser" To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Two Things Message-ID: <1BC42AC4C93@cci.us.ccl.com> 1) Has anyone heard Makigami Koichi's new solo project on Tzadik? Is it worth listening too, if you like Shelley Hirsch, David Moss, Phil Minton or other vocally experimental musicians? Are the pieces all by Koichi or are there pieces by other composers? 2) At a mail-order site, Take Notes (www.computek.net/tknotes), I saw a listing for Masada IV (along with 1-3,5,6). I assume, if he's listing it, he can get it. I just thought I'd pass this info along for anyone who is lamenting that they missed the freebie send-in opportunity and needs their Masada fix. If anyone has any more info, please post. Thanks, Pete --- Train thy digits in the making of music that you may sing these verses at weddings and banquets, and gaze dumbly at the guest who hisses when you strum these chords. Peter Risser PRisser@us.ccl.com Systems Engineer 1-800-888-1140 x17 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:24:52 -0400 (EDT) From: scott mclemore To: IOUaLive1@aol.com Cc: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Re: masada/frisell Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Wow, what a great show. Zorn really knows how to put a band together. Frisell is always great, but Anthony Coleman I had never checked out. He sounded swell. I had always seen Zorn as more of a conceptualist or an arranger than a composer, but the dude can write. Those tunes were inspiring, and has definitely made me consider buying more Masada CDs. The KF has all six advertised for $18 a pop (If I remember right). That's all. Joy of joy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 19:26:37 -0400 From: Barbichick@aol.com To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: The elusive Masada IV Message-ID: <960415192635_376064645@emout08.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-04-15 09:21:12 EDT, you write: >At a mail-order site, Take Notes (www.computek.net/tknotes), I saw a listing >for Masada IV (along with 1-3,5,6). I assume, if he's listing it, he can get >it. I just thought I'd pass this info along for anyone who is lamenting that >they missed the freebie send-in opportunity and needs their Masada fix. If >anyone has any more info, please post. > > I find this very hard to believe, unless Masada IV has been reissued or bootlegged. My copy says "not for sale" on the back in the lower right. Patrice would probably know if its been reissued, and he would have mentioned it already since I think he's pychic-ly linked to all Zorn's releases! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 19:26:42 -0400 From: Barbichick@aol.com To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Re: masada/frisell Message-ID: <960415192641_376064725@mail04> In a message dated 96-04-15 14:37:58 EDT, you write: >inspiring, and has definitely made me consider buying more Masada CDs. >The KF has all six advertised for $18 a pop (If I remember right). >That's all. Joy of joy. No the Knitting Factory only has 1,2,3,5,6. They do not have 4 (Dalet). I did not see the Frisell show, but I did catch 6 Masada shows last week. They have plenty of material, plus I heard a few tunes that are "new". Zorn mentioned one being a "world premiere", plus last monday's show featured new tunes that they seemed to be working out as they went along. I would assume there will be a Masada 7 in the future.. Also worthy of mention, Zorn will be performing at the Knitting Factory Wednesday of this week with Mike Patton at Midnight. In a few weeks he will also be there performing with his collection of duck calls. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 22:37:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Me To: Zorn Digest Subject: Masada + Coleman Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Wow, just the thought of Anthony Coleman playing with Masada makes my mouth water...don't suppose anyone has a tape of the show (here's hoping). Sounds like another reason why I wish I lived near the Knit (just wait, I keep telling myself, July 3-6 I'll get the chance to be there, just wait...) Out 2 lunch with lunchmeat, Paul wesley@interaccess.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- GROOVE "Real individual self-expression is so rare, so rare, that when the ---------- person uses any kind of stimulant to maintain his emotional energy, one nation it always works against his expression." -Ornette Coleman ----------------------O(+>-Emancipation-1996?---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 22:33:02 -0800 From: insulin@slip.net (Marc Kate) To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Re: Makigami Koichi Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Has anyone heard Makigami Koichi's new solo project on Tzadik? Yes. >Is it >worth listening too, if you like Shelley Hirsch, David Moss, Phil Minton >or other vocally experimental musicians? Yes, absolutely. >Are the pieces all by Koichi >or are there pieces by other composers? All solo improvs. Buy it. Marc Kate 415-826-4012 insulin@slip.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:47:51 GMT From: "D.J. Toman" To: Subject: Knit Taping Message-Id: <199604161847.SAA19067@neptune.pristine.com.tw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Y'all, I just got a DAT machine (well, two to be able to trade) and am eager to begin trading soon. Unfortunately, I've only seen people lurking around the net groveling for and trading Dead, Phish, God St. Wine, and all that stuff, or Medeski, Martin & Wood at best. My interest in this (other than MMW) is zero. I'm wondering if anyone out there is taping Knit shows and such "downtown" type music. I'm far more interested in creative improvised music such as will be featured in the Knit's "What is Jazz?" festival (see the schedule at the Knit's web site -- unbelievable!) than the rock-based aesthetic. I'll have some choice DATs (masters) to trade soon. However, I could accept HQ analogs, too. Post to list or email me with any responses. Thanks, David in Taipei _____________________________________________________________ Taipei, Taiwan ..."we advocate the independence of the Taiwanese nationality." -- Sun Yatsen (1925) "Every damn one of them ought to be in jail. I'd like to live to see the day they are." -- Harry S. Truman on the extended Chiang Kai-shek clan _____________________________________________________________ -------------------------------- End of zorn-list-digest Digest V96 Issue #11 ********************************************