From: owner-abolition-usa-digest@lists.xmission.com (abolition-usa-digest) To: abolition-usa-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: abolition-usa-digest V1 #16 Reply-To: abolition-usa-digest Sender: owner-abolition-usa-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-abolition-usa-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk abolition-usa-digest Sunday, September 13 1998 Volume 01 : Number 016 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 23:10:58 -0400 From: Peace through Reason Subject: (abolition-usa) US Help Needed: Carriers Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:31:03 -0900 (PDT) Reply-To: kristan@unm.edu, prop1@prop1.org Sender: owner-nukenet@envirolink.org From: Kristan Cockerill Subject: Carriers Hello, I'm a grad student in New Mexico and am trying to find out how many carriers there are that are licensed/approved to carry radioactive materials or waste for DOE. Any ideas on where this info might be published?? Kristan Cockerill University of New Mexico Hello, I'm a grad student in New Mexico and am trying to find out how many carriers there are that are licensed/approved to carry radioactive materials or waste for DOE. Any ideas on where this info might be published?? Kristan Cockerill University of New Mexico _______________________________________________________________________ * Peace Through Reason - http://prop1.org - Convert the War Machines! * _______________________________________________________________________ - - To unsubscribe to abolition-usa, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe abolition-usa" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:24:51 -0700 (PDT) From: ilpeace@igc.apc.org Subject: (abolition-usa) travel and lodging tips for Chicago abolition events Oct. 9 & 10 >Dear Friends: Here are some travel and lodging tips for folks coming to Chicago for the October 9 organizing meeting on the new national abolition campaign and the October 10 conference on abolition featuring author Jonathan Schell and former Senator Alan Cranston entitled "Bottling the Genie: Building the Movement to Abolish Nuclear Weapons": > >If you are flying into Chicago, both O'Hare and Midway airports are linked by public transit to downtown Chicago, where our meetings will be held. If you take the train, Union Station is about a $5 taxi ride from the DePaul Center, our meeting site for both days. If you drive, there are parking lots within a few blocks of the DePaul Center. Parking lots and transit stops are marked on the map in the middle panel of the "Bottling the Genie" October 10 conference brochure. (If you didn't get a brochure but want one, call us at 312/939-3316.) > >Lodging: Hotel space in downtown Chicago for October 8,9,and 10 is tight because the Chicago Marathon is Sunday the 11th and there is a big machine industry convention that weekend. So you should make your hotel reservations ASAP. Here are some suggestions: > >Best bet: Travelodge: 312/427-8000 or 800/578-7878, 65 East Harrison St., between Michigan and Wabash Avenues, only 4 blocks from the DePaul Center. Single rooms $79 per night, doubles $89. > >Ramada Congress Hotel: 312/427-3800, 520 S. Michigan Ave., 3 blocks from our meeting site. We're negotiating with them for a group rate, which will probably be between $129 and $165/night for double rooms. > International Conference Center, 4750 N. Sheridan Rd. This is a no-frills but nice conference facility for non-profits that has cheap dormitory-type rooms for between $14 and $24 per night -- can't be beat!! It's two blocks from the elevated ("el") transit stop, and it's about a (very scenic) 25 minute train ride to downtown. The folks there are awfully nice, but they aren't a hotel per se, so they'd like us to take reservations. If you'd like to stay here, and we highly recommend it, call our conference coordinator Debby Reelitz-Bell at 847/266-1525 or Kevin Martin at the Iillinois Peace Action office: 312/939-3316. > International House at the University of Chicago: 773/753-2270, 1414 E. 59th St.-- Single, dormitory-style rooms are $36 per night. This is about a 25-minute bus or train ride from our downtown meeting site. Again, no frills but nice, highly recommended for those on a budget. Bed & Breakfast Chicago: 773/248-0005: a clearinghouse for B & B's, they have rooms close to downtown >from $135 to $185 per night (2 or 3 people per room) >> >If you absolutely cannot afford these reasonably priced (heck, some are downright cheap!) accommodations, call Debby Reelitz-Bell at 847/266-1525 or Kevin Martin at 312/939-3316 and we will arrange a home stay for you with an Illinois Peace Action member. In Peace, Kevin Martin Executive Director Illinois Peace Action Check out our website at http://www.webcom.com/ipa - - To unsubscribe to abolition-usa, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe abolition-usa" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:44:07 -0400 From: War Resisters League Subject: (abolition-usa) Nonviolence Training for Day Without the Pentagon In addition to the update on A Day Without the Pentagon that you should receive in a separate post, nonviolence trainings are being scheduled across the country. For those in the New York area, there will be a training held on Sunday September 13, Noon to 6 pm at Theater for a New City, 155 First Avenue at 10th Street. For more information, to share or learn about organizing activities in your area, reply to this e-mail or call 212-228-0450. If you would like to have your local info included in an upcoming update, please let us know immediately. Peace, Chris Ney ********** War Resisters League 339 Lafayette St. New York, NY 10012 212-228-0450 212-228-6193 (fax) 1-800-975-9688 (YouthPeace and A Day Without the Pentagon) wrl@igc.apc.org web address: http://www.nonviolence.org/wrl - - To unsubscribe to abolition-usa, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe abolition-usa" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:43:01 -0400 From: War Resisters League Subject: (abolition-usa) Day Without the Pentagon Update A D A Y W I T H O U T T H E P E N T A G O N 339 Lafayette Street, New York, NY 10012 800.975.9688 wrl@igc.apc.org www.nonviolence.org/wrl/nopentagon.htm LOCAL ORGANIZING UPDATE September 10, 1998 FIVE WEEKS TO GO! On October 19, 1998, thousands will travel from across the country to Washington, DC. Peace and justice activists will raise their voices to demand that the U.S. government shift funding from smart bombs to schoolbooks from stealth jets to health care from nuclear and chemical weapons to programs to heal the environment from a sexist, racist and homophobic military structure to structures that house and shelter and feed all of the people of this country Activists are now organizing in Boston, New York, Seattle, Philadelphia and over a dozen other cities to bring buses to the Pentagon on October 19. In the coming weeks, national staff for the Day Without the Pentagon Action will send the Update to local organizing committees. This issue includes contact information on local organizing committees, updates on the logistics for the action, and a list of Day Without the Pentagon publications and organizing resources. Let us know about the organizing efforts in your area, and we'll include them in an upcoming issue! - -- Linda M. Thurston and Chris Ney - -- National Organizers, A Day Without the Pentagon ============================== GET ON THE BUS! A bus caravan will travel from Seattle, WA to the Pentagon in the week before A Day Without the Pentagon. The bus will stop in cities and towns along the way, doing outreach and nonviolence training. For more info contact Geov Parrish at the Nonviolent Action Community of Cascadia by phone at 206.547.0952 or email at cmtc@igc.apc.org. New March Route The March to the Pentagon on October 19 will assemble and proceed from the Arlington Cemetery to the Pentagon grounds. Please be sure to note the change. The march route described in early materials, including the Tactical Manual, lists the March route as starting at the Lincoln Memorial. ORGANIZING MATERIALS NEW POSTERS! Artist Lisa Fromartz has designed a new poster for A Day Without the Pentagon. Copies are available free from the national office. Call us at 212.228.0450 for more information. Other materials available: Pentagon Action Tactical Manual ($2 each/$1 for 10 or more) Handbook for Nonviolent Action ($3 each/$1.50 for 10-50) Street Leaflets ($15/100) - - A Day Without the Pentagon brochure - - Where Does Your Income Tax Really Go? - - Five Deadly Myths About the Pentagon - - Battered by the Pentagon - - 15 Ways to Work for Peace - - Violence in Our Communities - - Abolish Corporate Welfare LOCAL ORGANIZING CONTACTS FOR A DAY WITHOUT THE PENTAGON Get involved! Contact these activists for information on local outreach and organizing, nonviolence training, and buses to Washington. Even if you are not able to go to the Pentagon on October 19, we can use your help in getting the word out through leafleting, special events, and other activities. WRL New England Regional Office Joanne Sheehan P.O. Box 1093 Norwich, CT 06360-1093 ph/fax: 860.889.5337; email: wrlne9@mail.idt.net CONNECTICUT Green Party bus from Eastern Connecticut, leaving Willimantic, CT, Monday, October 19th, at 12:01 am, arriving in Arlington at 8 am, leaving Arlington at 7 pm, returning to Willimantic at 3 am on Tuesday. $35. Call Gail at 860.455.1315. MAINE INVERT (WRL Maine-wide local) is coordinating transportation from Maine to both the WRL Conference and the Action at the Pentagon. Contact: Larry Dansiger, PO Box 776, Monroe, ME 04951-9709; ph: 207.525.7776; email: invert@acadia.net MASSACHUSETTS Boston area Sam Diener 126 Massachusetts Avenue, Arlington, MA 02176 ph: 781.646.6049; email: SAMDIENER@USA.NET NEW JERSEY Melissa Jameson and Oliver Hydon Root and Branch Collective 10 E. Ridgewood Avenue #19, Ridgewood, NJ 07450-3819 ph: 201.251.9591 NEW HAMPSHIRE Sean Donahue New Hampshire Peace Action PO Box 771, Concord, NH 03301 ph: 603.228.0559; email: nhpeaceact@igc.apc.org NEW YORK CITY Chris Ney/Linda Thurston WRL National Office 339 Lafayette Street, New York, NY 10012 ph: 212.228.0450 PHILADELPHIA, PA Mario Hardy Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors 1515 Cherry Street, Philadelphia, PA 19102 ph: 215.563.8787 fax: 215.567.2096 RHODE ISLAND Rhode Islanders for A Day Without the Pentagon is a coalition of Rhode Island groups organizing art exhibits and entertainment on October 16 & 17 and a parade (Bread & Puppet Theater are invited) on the 17th during WaterFire festivities in downtown Providence. Contact Greg Gerrit for info on times & places at PO Box 1151, Providence, RI 02901. ph: 401.331.0529, email: gerritt@edgnet.net. Website: www.as220.org/dwp. SYRACUSE, NY Syracuse Peace Council dedicated much of their recent Peace Newsletter to A Day Without the Pentagon, and will hold a community potluck dinner & discussion on 9/18, "From Speaking Out to Getting Locked Up: Every Citizen's Obligation". For info, contact Beth Mosley at 315.472.5478. VERMONT Joe Gainza American Friends Service Committee 73 Main Street, Montpelier, VT 05602 ph/fax: 802.229.2340 (call ahead before faxing) email: afscvt@together.net WASHINGTON, DC John Judge War Resisters League 1247 E Street, SE, Washington, DC 20003 ph: 202.544.9355 WASHINGTON STATE The Nonviolent Action Community of Cascadia is organizing a cross-country bus caravan to the Pentagon (see page 1). Contact Geov Parrish at 206.547.0952 or cmtc@igc.apc.org INDIANA The Indianapolis Peace & Justice Center wrote about A Day Without the Pentagon in their newsletter and sent a mailing to 500 local activists. Contact Kent Moore at 317.955.8121 BETHLEHEM, PA The LEPOCO Disarmament Working Group is coming to the Pentagon with five banners reading A Day Without the Pentagon Saves $1.7 Billion". Contact Nancy Tate at 610.691.8730 ********** War Resisters League 339 Lafayette St. New York, NY 10012 212-228-0450 212-228-6193 (fax) 1-800-975-9688 (YouthPeace and A Day Without the Pentagon) wrl@igc.apc.org web address: http://www.nonviolence.org/wrl - - To unsubscribe to abolition-usa, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe abolition-usa" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:21:41 -0700 From: Shundahai Network Subject: (abolition-usa) "Bagpipe" update 9/11/98 The preparations for subcritical nuclear weapons test "Bagpipe" seemed to have taken a step back. At the beginning of the week they were doing Mandatory dry runs but now have gone back to signal dry runs showing they have had some preliminary problems with the preparations. I guess the general speculation was that the test would take place on Sept 17, but now it seems the likelihood of delaying the test until the 20-24 is very possible. *************************************************************** SHUNDAHAI NETWORK "Peace and Harmony with all Creation" *Breaking the Nuclear Chain* 5007 Elmhurst Ln., Las Vegas, NV 89108-1304 ph(702)647-3095 Fax: (702)647-9385 Email: shundahai@shundahai.org http://www.shundahai.org Shundahai Network is proud to be part of: Healing Global Wounds Alliance, a multi-cultural alliance to foster sustainable living and break the nuclear chain; and Abolition 2000: A Global Network to Eliminate Nuclear Weapons **************************************************************** - - To unsubscribe to abolition-usa, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe abolition-usa" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 07:33:03 -0400 From: Peace through Reason Subject: (abolition-usa) NucNews: First Citizen Inspection Rights law passed in U.S. Citizen Inspection Teams, take note! This is the companion law to initiatives creating nuclear free zones. Ellen Thomas Proposition One Committee prop1@prop1.org - ---------------------------------------------------- http://ens-news.com/ens/sep98/1998-09-11-09.html FIRST LAW EMPOWERS CITIZEN INSPECTIONS FOR HAZARDS The Passaic, New Jersey Board of Chosen Freeholders unanimously enacted the nation's first neighborhood "right to act" law to prevent environmental hazards. The law, passed September 8, allows neighbors and/or employees to petition the county Health Officer for creation of Neighborhood Hazard Prevention Advisory Committees (NHPACs) for specific facilities. NHPACs could include management and employees, neighbors, and a municipal representative. The precedent-setting law gives NHPACs authority to enter facilities for on-site surveys, discuss potential hazards and make recommendations to management. - ------------------------------------------------------------ (See our website for information about initiative campaigns) _______________________________________________________________________ * Peace Through Reason - http://prop1.org - Convert the War Machines! * _______________________________________________________________________ - - To unsubscribe to abolition-usa, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe abolition-usa" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:06:29 EDT From: DavidMcR@aol.com Subject: (abolition-usa) Re: Impeaching Clinton for the Stockpile Stewardship Program Timothy, I understand why you feel Clinton should be impeached on the nuclear issue. I think you weaken that position by not including other valid issues (since your motion is, at best, a "political flag" and not a position Congress would take up) such as the bombing of Sudan, Afghanistan, the Welfare issue, etc. However I would suggest it is best for the Abolition list to stay well away of joining any move to impeach Clinton at this time. It will confuse our message and blur our positions. My guess is that Clinton may have to resign and there are lots of unpleasant aspects to the current attack on him - with which I think we should not be involved. You might better have suggested Starr be indicted for trying to derail the Constitution. Peace, David McReynols In a message dated 9/13/98 2:30:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tsbrueni@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us writes: << Below is a draft of a letter urging that Clinton be impeached for the Stockpile Stewardship Program. I welcome suggestions on how to improve it. What information should I include in it? I favor impeaching Clinton, not for having an extra-marital affair and lying about it, but for continuing to develop nuclear weapons in violation of international law. On July 8, 1996, the World Court ruled that the use or threat to use nuclear weapons generally violates international law, and that nations have a legal obligation to negotiate a treaty to elimination nuclear weapons. The DOE's Stockpile Stewardship Program would continue to develop U.S. nuclear weapons in violation of the World Court ruling, and also in violation of Article Six of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which requires the nuclear weapons states to bring to a conclusion negotiations leading to nuclear disarmament in all its respects. - - To unsubscribe to abolition-usa, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe abolition-usa" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:23:18 EDT From: DavidMcR@aol.com Subject: (abolition-usa) The Ken Starr report On the "Clinton Papers" This goes to several lists, (and some friends). I am disturbed over the release of papers by Ken Starr and, along with many others, need to grapple with the issues, most particularly with the profound implications of "impeachment" on the grounds Starr has given. I logged onto the net to check out the Starr report and read down as far as the encounter with the cigar and stopped. Others can read each and every encounter, I don't want to - put it down to an old fashioned Puritanism or just a revulsion against what Starr did. For the first time in all of this I feel sorry for Bill Clinton, as well as his wife and daughter. Lets go over the issues step by step. First, it is my guess that Bill Clinton will resign. He would probably win a fight on impeachment, but the country will be tied down and Clinton's authority is gone. It is one thing to look at Clinton and "imagine" vague encounters between him and Monica. It is very different to look at him and realize the endless jokes that will now follow him through every official encounter until the end of his term. (And long after). "Anyone like a cigar? Oops - sorry Bill, didn't see you". "Don't worry Madame, I'm sure that stain will come out - Oops, the President is sitting right across the table". What will it be like at any foreign dinner when the cigars and brandy are usually passed around? Bill Clinton has been made to look like a fool. How many of you are in my position, that you would not want the secrets of your sexual life, your phone conversations, your email sex encounters, your private letters, etc., made part of a PUBLIC record so that EVERYONE YOU MET would know the smallest detail? This is humiliation far greater than being impeached for stealing funds. One can live that down. One can retreat to a monastery. But how does one live down the cigar? There are lots of problems with Gore, who will replace Clinton in event of resignation. Clinton is already being urged by Rosenthal in the Times to launch a heavy attack on Iraq, to try to wipe out Saddam. If Rosenthal openly suggests this in the N.Y. Times (where an editorial policy of keeping on people who are senile provides space to Rosenthal - I don't know what folly of editorial policy continues to give space to Maureen Dowd), imagine the pressures on an incoming President to show his "toughness". (The one possible saving force for Bill Clinton is that with the economy very rocky, Wall Street, which I do not think has plotted his overthrow, might demand there be no change in a national leadership in which the rest of the world has reasonable confidence). I do not see how Clinton can recover. I am not a Clinton fan. Am I disgusted by the White House sex scandals? Do I think Monica was too young? That the White House is the wrong place? Well, sure, but the real fact is I don't want to know about those things. We didn't elect a preacher but a President. And even preachers - Martin Luther King Jr. is one of many examples - can be caught with their pants down if you put enough agents on the case. (And who among us is so old we have forgotten the sex scandals that rocked a couple of major TV evangelists off the air, and at least one to prison?). Two of the GOP right-wingers, Dan Burton, and the lady out in Colorado who is perhaps a certifiable nut case, are feeling the heat as their lives become public. And no, I don't want to know about their lives either. And I don't want you to know about mine, beyond what I choose to make public. I think it is possible Ken Starr either has no sex life or one that consists entirely of missionary position encounters. There are people in our world, and some reading this, who may be startled to learn that oral sex is possible or that it doesn't mean talking about sex. But none of this is important. What is important is that Ken Starr brought in a report which had absolutely NOTHING impeachable from the White Water, and ONLY found impeachable offenses in sex cases where almost any of us would have lied under oath, refused to give clear answers, been evasive, called on friends and co-workers to cover for us. In short, the charges against Clinton have nothing to do with what are normally thought of as "impeachable" offenses. I remain stunned that Ken Starr would put his name to a report as lurid, obscene, pornographic, and IRRELEVANT as the one he turned in. For the first time in this whole long, shoddy business I wish Clinton could made a good counterattack. But he can't. The counterattack should have come much earlier and Clinton is a gutless wonder who would never have dreamed of it: "Mr. Starr, you can cite me, and you can try to impeach me, but for the sake of this Republic I will not answer one single question about any aspects of my private sexual life - if I did so, I would open every citizen in America to the kind of State investigation of their private affairs which is contrary to things basic to this nation". Instead we have a range of apologies, increasingly desperate, pathetic, and phoney. I know from a lot of the posts I've read that many liberals have persuaded themselves that Clinton is a greater man than events have demonstrated, and must be defended at all costs. The liberals have hold of one thing which is true, and which has accounted for the support thus far from women's and black groups - within a very narrow range, Bill Clinton has done good things for women and communities of color that would not have come from George Bush. Life is not so plush out there on the outskirts, where most of Black America lives, that Clinton's sexual morality is more important than some marginal benefits. After this is over we are going to have to reevaluate much. We - the collective "politically correct left" - were wrong on the Clarence Thomas issue. Dead wrong. Anita Hill's testimony was not grounds for blocking Thomas. We should have taken on Thomas on the solid grounds his credentials were weak, that better jurists could be found. But the liberals in the Senate didn't have the hearts for that - it might seem an attack on affirmative action. They waited for Anita Hill. We were wrong to have pursued Thomas with that material. We shall, looking back on this period from ten years, wonder, as we look back on the McCarthy period, how it ever happened. Were there real live Communists in the State Department? Probably. I don't know. But McCarthy did vastly more harm to the "State" and its ability to cope with problems than a dozen Communists. Ken Starr has lifted private sexual behavior between consenting adults to the level of a crime against the State. He achieved this by pursuing the lies and evasions that followed his hounding of Clinton into areas of his life that had no relationship to the original purpose of the "White Water" inquiry.. Was Clinton responsible for his own fate? Yes - but again, that is not the issue. The issue is not anything which Clinton did sexually - it is Ken Starr's stunning report, broadcast by every possible aspect of the media, to the world at large, so that even a child can, by checking the web sites (assuming their parents burned the New York Times special section) read precisely what Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky did. There is much that I do not want to know. I don't want to know what Ken Starr's farts smell like, nor the color of his piss or the shape of his turds. I don't want to know what Clinton's crotch smells like from nose level. If I offend you, then you see my point, and why the Starr report astounds and offends me. A private life means that lots of things are really off limits unless revealed by consent. That is old-fashioned on my part, but it has been part of what America has been about. Part of what I hope it continues to be about. Ironically, while I think Bill Clinton will have to resign, Ken Starr's report is the first solid reason I've seen for hoping Clinton beats the rap. Is there no legal recourse that can be had against Ken Starr? No sense of how very far he has gone beyond any reasonable line of legal inquiry? No law which applies to him? For, and I close with this, what impeachment does is to overturn a decision of the people. An election. One which Clinton won. If Starr succeeds in driving Clinton from office on the grounds he has given to Congress, then an election will have been nullified. Starr has conspired not against Clinton, but against the Constitution, and the people as a whole, who wisely or not, elected Bill Clinton. He must not be impeached on grounds of lying about sexual encounters in the White House. I've had reports on the net of a range of other White House sexual encounters by other Presidents - I do not forward those because even if Bill Clinton's offenses were unique, they are not impeachable. I am not excited by Clinton's sexual encounters. But I am deeply, profoundly disgusted by Ken Starr's obsession with them. - - 30 - - - To unsubscribe to abolition-usa, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe abolition-usa" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:46:05 -0400 From: Ish Subject: (abolition-usa) Fwd: Response to Counsel's Rebuttal Unfortunately, the magnitude of Ken Starr's report tends to draw sympathy to the man because of the exposure of his affairs..what of the other women ?? I am sure this is nothing new for either one of them..except to the degree to which his affairs are public knowledge. Hubbel was bought off and still earns 98,000 a year behind bars in the position he was given for his silence. Vern Jordan got him the position, at the same place he got Lewinski a job...hence the connection. Perjury was proven in black and white..and no bait and switch tactics by his defense counsel negates that fact. This is a 5 year felony...and if convicted precludes his tenancy as president. If your son were involved in these kinds of practices, would you not call it a sexual relationship with the woman involved? Get real..Lewinski had sex, but Clinton didn't? What is wrong with this culture when ethics become SO compartmentalized that a lie is okay as long as it is understandable? Unethical behavior is fine, as long as it doesn't rock your boat? Where is honor? Where is morality? What we accept....we teach. Ish >Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:40:53 -0400 >To: PRES >From: Ish >Subject: Response to Counsel's Rebuttal > >To Whom it May Concern; > >Your rebuttal albeit preliminary is an example of bait and switch tactics of which you have accused Starr's in his investigation.. >The oath taken prior to testimony states "I swear to tell the Truth the Whole Truth and Nothing but the Truth." This standard was not met by Mr Clinton in either his testimony in the Paula Jones case nor before the Grand Jury. What he demonstrated was an attempt to deceive, mislead..in short: lie. This deception is an element of perjury. Starr has proved his point. > >The President has not demonstrated characteristics necessary for full faith and confidence in the performance of his duties as a citizen..how can he ever be trusted with the duties of the highest office in this country? I would propose that he cannot. > >History will judge him as the man who failed to address the year 2000 problem in a timely manner in 1996 when approached by Senator Moynihan. His may possibly be the last captaincy of this country as we have known it..one hell of a commentary,eh? > >For ONCE do the honorable thing and resign the office.. > Ishgooda Tewehshon'on > > &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Tsonkwadiyonrat (We are ONE Spirit) Unenh onhwa' Awayaton http://www.tdi.net/ishgooda/ __ (\ .-. .-. /_") \\_//^\\_//^\\_// `"` `"` `"` - - To unsubscribe to abolition-usa, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe abolition-usa" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:23:55 -0400 (EDT) From: da710@freenet.carleton.ca (John Murray Clearwater) Subject: (abolition-usa) Heavy bombers to Asia NEW U.S. BOMBER DEPLOYMENTS TO ASIA by John M. Clearwater da710 at freenet dwot carleton dwot ca (author of "Canadian Nuclear Weapons") 09 September 1998. Ottawa. The United States Air Force (USAF), at the direction of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) and the Secretary of Defence (SoD), ordered a small but significant heavy bomber force to be sent from the USA to Anderson Air Force Base (AFB) on the island of Guam in the Pacific near South- East Asia. On Friday, 04 September 1998, two bomber detachments set out from Whiteman AFB and Barksdale AFB in the USA to Anderson AFB, Guam. Three B-52H heavy bombers from the 2nd Bomb Wing at Barksdale AFB, Bossier City, Louisiana; and three B-2 heavy stealth bombers from the 5th Bomb Wing at Whiteman AFB in Missouri, have been sent for a thirty (30) day deployment to Anderson AFB, Guam. In the past, the 2nd Bomb Wing spent years at Anderson beginning in 1970, having been the USAF "super" wing during the massive bombings of Indo-China. The 509th Bomb Wing also served at Anderson, and in 1968 and 1968 participated in the aerial destruction of Indo-China. The context for the deployments is that a little more than a week ago, just after lunch on Monday 31 August 1998, the DPRK (North Korea) tested a medium range ballistic missile which overflew Japan. Parts of the missile landed in the high seas off the Sanriku coast of Japan. The Japanese Cabinet Secretary, Hiromu Nonaka, stated that it was an extremely dangerous act as the DPRK had issued no warning to the ships or aircraft operating in the target region. There is a growing awareness in the USA that DPRK missile ranges are steadily increasing, and US military and civilian officials are voicing concerns that soon Hawaii will be in range of strikes from the DPRK. It is likely that the USA is preparing to bomb deep and heavily defended targets inside the DPRK, or to engage in more strikes against anti-USA individuals in third countries. It was recently reported that the US satellite intelligence community discovered evidence of a massive underground complex. Although there is no firm evidence, the Pentagon is suggesting that it could house nuclear facilities, missile factories, or a plant for the manufacture of weapons of mass destruction. The official USAF story of the deployments is that the bombers will "demonstrate global power capabilities of U.S. forces and conduct local, Guam-based bomber training in support of global objectives." The USAF also states that the B-52 Stratofortresses and the B-2 Spirits "will carry conventional munitions and partici- pate in bomber training operations in the Pacific region." The greatest irony is that the USAF contends that the bomber force can respond anywhere in the world within 24 hours with tremendous lethality "while placing relatively few people in harm's way". It seems that only USAF crew are people, and the human beings in the drop-zone are only targets and collateral damage. The B-52H bombers are from the 20th and/or 96th Bomb Squadrons of the 2nd Operations Group of the 2nd Bomb Wing. This is one of only two B-52 bomb wings in the USA, utilizing 58 of the 95 B-62s left in service. Barksdale AFB stores some 50 B61-7 and 90 B83 nuclear gravity bombs; and about 300 AGM-86B cruise missiles and 100 AGM-129 A advanced cruise missiles. The base is home to some 540 nuclear warheads for the two bomber squadrons and one training squadron based there. The weapons of choice for the B-52 units are the AGM-86B nuclear air-launched cruise missile; the AGM-86C conventional air-launched cruise missile; and the AGM-129A advanced cruise missile. The conventional AGM-86C was secretly made from cold war-surplus nuclear AGM-86B's in June 1986, and the first 35 missiles were used against targets in Iraq in January 1991. The new missiles, called CALCM, have a high explo- sive blast/fragmentation warhead. They were fired from B-52s of the 2nd Bomb Wing. It is most likely that the B-52s, each of which can carry 12 missiles under the wings and another eight in the bomb bay, took a full war load of 20 AGM-886C CALCM missiles with them. There is no reason to suspect that the unit took nuclear munitions. Each B-52 can carry 31.5 tonnes of munitions, both conventional and nuclear. The B-2 stealth bombers are from the 393 Bomb Squadron of the famous 509th Bomb Wing. The 509th is best known as the unit which dropped the Little Boy atomic bomb on Hiroshima on 06 August 1945. On 09 August 1945, another 509 Composite Group bomber dropped the second atomic bomb on the city of Nagasaki. The Wing was activated on 01 Sept 1991 as the USAF's new stealth bomber unit. However, the first B-2 did not arrive until 17 December 1993. There have been no combat missions flown by the B-2 to date. Each B-2 can carry 18 tonnes of munitions, both conventional and nuclear. Whiteman AFB is home to some 550 nuclear warheads. The base holds about 200 B61-7 nuclear gravity bombs; about 50 of the new B61-11 bunker-buster deep penentrator nuclear gravity bombs; and about 300 of the 1 Mt yield B83 thermonuclear gravity bombs. There are no cruise missiles at Whiteman, as the B-2s are expected to penetrate to the target and drop gravity weapons. The 509th stealth bombers have recently acquired a new nuclear weapon: the B61 Mod 11. The B61 Mod 11 was designed and tested over the past four years as a nuclear bunker-busting explosive. There has been a great deal of controversy surrounding the weapon, as critics charge that US design, testing, and production of this new device violates US arms control commitments. This weapon has been earmarked for use on the supposed and actual command- control-communications-intelligence bunkers of coutries such as Iraq and the DPRK. They are also tagged for use against the National Command Authority sites meant to house the government leaders. During the Cold War, the USA had pledged that their forces would never use nuclear weapons on a country which did not themselves have nuclear weapons of their own or stored on their land. With the end of the Cold War, this policy was abandoned by the Clinton Administration and replaced with one which stated that nuclear weapons could now be used as a response to any use of weapons of mass destruction, even by non-nuclear countries. - - To unsubscribe to abolition-usa, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe abolition-usa" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:36:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Peace Action - National Office Subject: Re: (abolition-usa) Fwd: Response to Counsel's Rebuttal This is the abolition caucus! A friendly reminder to keep to the topic even as loosely defined as it is, at hand - abolition! There are plenty of internet chat rooms and web pages to discuss the Starr report and its legal aspects. - - To unsubscribe to abolition-usa, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe abolition-usa" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:42:44 EDT From: DavidMcR@aol.com Subject: Re: (abolition-usa) Fwd: Response to Counsel's Rebuttal In a message dated 9/13/98 6:39:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, panukes@igc.apc.org writes: << Subj: Re: (abolition-usa) Fwd: Response to Counsel's Rebuttal Date: 9/13/98 6:39:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: panukes@igc.apc.org (Peace Action - National Office) Sender: owner-abolition-usa@lists.xmission.com Reply-to: abolition-usa@lists.xmission.com To: abolition-usa@lists.xmission.com This is the abolition caucus! A friendly reminder to keep to the topic even as loosely defined as it is, at hand - abolition! There are plenty of internet chat rooms and web pages to discuss the Starr report and its legal aspects. >> Sorry but the point is not well taken. Whether we like it or not, (and I am very distressed about it), the issue of foreign policy, Bill Clinton, and the Starr report are news and are linked in ways we can't dodge. Abolition 2000 doesn't live in a gilded cage - it is part of a real world in which events are occuring which do touch on things such as the Starr report. Sincerely, David McReynolds - - To unsubscribe to abolition-usa, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe abolition-usa" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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