From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #29 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Tuesday, May 2 2000 Volume 01 : Number 029 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:35:22 -0400 From: Shawn Ambrose Subject: RE: [AML] Inaugural message Jonathan, welcome to your new job! Is that imaginary Dodge pickup a stick shift, by chance? ;-) Melinda Ambrose [MOD: Not imaginary, but historical. And yes, it was a stick shift.] - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 09:50:53 -0600 From: Thom Duncan Subject: Re: [AML] CARD, _Ender's Game_ <390C1FBF.C1B0F272@wwno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: aml-list "D. Michael Martindale" wrote: > > Larry Jackson: "On the last page in the May 2000 National Geographic, > there is a photograph of a young boy in a small boat reading a book.... > The book is Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game. The photograph is titled, > 'Jake Lloyd reading ENDER'S GAME.' > > "I wonder if the photograph will have any effect on book sales?" > > That would be nice, but I hope the photograph also has an effect on > getting the movie off and rolling, in which Jake Lloyd is supposed to > star. > Please, no, say it isn't so. They couldn't have found a worse actor. Ender's Game will tank big time if this cast this human cardboard (or maybe it's just that Lucas, known as a non-actor's director, couldn't direct him properly.) Thom - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:58:27 -0400 From: debbro@voyager.net Subject: Re: [AML] CARD, _Ender's Game_ My first thought when I read that post, was, "I wonder how much was charged to have _Ender's Game_ in the young boy's hands, and was it an accident that he was in a boat on a lake, as Ender was after the final battle and they sent him back to earth to rest?" I have to also admit that I don't know what all the fuss is over Jake Lloyd. My husband and I finally watched the movie after it came out on video, and I quickly got bored with Lloyd's cute little faces that seem to make up the scope of his acting ability. Give me the kid from _Sixth Sense_ if you're going to make _Ender's Game into a movie. And to tie this into Mormon Lit, yes, I think EG falls under the category of Mormon Lit and Letters, and I have read it six times, but I don't know that I would say it is the most successful as such. If I had to pick one OSC novel that defines Mormon lit for me, it would be _Saints_ (though I prefer the old title and cover). Debbie Brown > Larry Jackson: "On the last page in the May 2000 National Geographic, > there is a photograph of a young boy in a small boat reading a book.... > The book is Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game. The photograph is titled, > 'Jake Lloyd reading ENDER'S GAME.' > "I wonder if the photograph will have any effect on book sales?" > That would be nice, but I hope the photograph also has an effect on > getting the movie off and rolling, in which Jake Lloyd is supposed to > star. > D. Michael Martindale - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:26:49 -0600 From: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: [none] [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA26854; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:16:15 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from hazlitt (ts007d06.per-md.concentric.net [206.173.56.66]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA28000; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000501131350.00aaf100@email.termlimits.org> X-Sender: eric@email.termlimits.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:13:50 -0400 To: aml-list@lists.xmission.com From: "Eric D. Dixon" Subject: Re: [AML] CARD, _Ender's Game_ In-Reply-To: <20000430194720.20720.qmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: aml-list Darlene Young wrote: >Jake Lloyd is, I hear, the first choice of Card to >play the part of Ender in the upcoming _Ender's Game_ >movie. Was this photo part of publicity for the >movie? Was the movie even mentioned? The poster is part of a campaign to promote reading, and it's been around for about a year. There's no mention of the movie (it's not a campaign to promote watching movies, after all), but the combination of Lloyd and that particular book was undoubtedly inspired by his consideration for the role of Ender. But as far as I know, the future if the movie is still speculative. There may not be an _Ender's Game_ movie at all. You can see a poor-quality shot of the poster here: http://www.publishers.org/home/abouta/camp/index.html Eric D. Dixon "The attitude that life owes us something, if not everything, encourages life to thwart our endeavours. This life may not provide justice, but it is fairer than we might like it to be. When we act as we like, we get what we want; but not what we need." -- Robert Fripp - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:29:42 -0600 From: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: [none] <3.0.1.32.20000501100029.006a4d48@pop.pressenter.com> with last message <3.0.1.32.20000501100029.006a4d48@pop.pressenter.com> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: aml-list@lists.xmission.com, aml-list@lists.xmission.com, aml-mag@lists.xmission.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Marilyn & William Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] Inaugural message Date: (No, or invalid, date.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: aml-list Welcome, Jonathan. We appreciate your willingness to moderate! Thank you = so much for coming aboard to keep our discussions going. We are so please= d with the progress made on the list and the resulting IRREANTUM material= - --all offering avenues of expression for Mormon letters. Thanks for your = contribution! Sincerely, Marilyn Brown - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:30:31 -0600 From: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: [none] <"0PjqtNFjnsgyhvXuIJfA9PhGhbT9HAdl3eRacplAU+/onNGebQ3q/A=="> Received: (from bronsonjscott@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id E6ZPGYF7; Mon, 01 May 2000 15:02:07 EDT To: aml-list@lists.xmission.com Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:00:58 -0600 Subject: [AML] ARTE Auditions Message-ID: <20000501.130059.-3923793.0.bronsonjscott@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,11-12,15-21 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "J. Scott Bronson" Sender: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: aml-list Actors Repertory Theatre Ensemble will be having auditions for their 2000 season Saturday, May 13. They will begin at 9:am and go until 12:pm, probably at BYU in the Harris Fine Arts Center (somewhere), or possibly at the Castle Theater at the State Hospital in Provo. The exact location will be forthcoming. This year ARTE will be presenting William Shakespeare's "Merry Wives of Windsor" and Tim Slover's award winning play about Shakespeare, "March Tale." "Merry Wives" will be directed by (Chris)Topher Clark, who played Geoffrey in ARTE's production of "Lion in Winter" last year. "March Tale" will be directed by J. Scott Bronson who played Henry in the same production of "Lion in Winter." All who are interested may audition. You may come with prepared monologues or read cold from the scripts. Please share this information with anyone you think will want to know. Thank you. J. Scott Bronson--The Scotted Line "World peace begins in my home" - -------------------------------------------------------- We are not the acolytes of an abstruse god. We are here to entertain--Keith Lockhart - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:47:08 -0500 From: Jonathan Langford Subject: [AML] glitches List members, Apologies for several posts that have come out without their proper and subject headings. Chalk it up to inexperience of the moderator... I think I know what's causing at least some of this, and will do my best to correct the problem. In the meantime, apologies again for any inconvenience. Jonathan Langford AML-List moderator - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:41:36 -0600 From: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: [none] <"0PjqtNFjnsgyhvXuIJfA9PhGhbT9HAdl4gnIviqTAscZGmjY5tnZ6Q=="> Received: (from bronsonjscott@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id E6ZQ7448; Mon, 01 May 2000 15:32:14 EDT To: aml-list@lists.xmission.com Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:31:02 -0600 Subject: [AML] ARTE Auditions, part 2 Message-ID: <20000501.133104.-3923793.5.bronsonjscott@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "J. Scott Bronson" Sender: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: aml-list [MOD: This is an addendum to one of the earlier posts without authors and subject lines that went out earlier.] If it's not too late, can you slip this into the previous message: The auditions will be in room B201 of the Harris Fine Arts Center at BYU. thanks. scott - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 10:04:36 -0500 From: Jonathan Langford Subject: [AML] ongoing technical difficulties Greetings List members, Ben and I are still working to figure out exactly what's the problem with the post author and subject line issues. Please feel free to keep submitting posts, and don't be surprised if we have to do some experimentation. Jonathan Langford AML-List Moderator (if we can ever get the system working right...) - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:57:13 -0600 From: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: [none] <"vgITK7N3RGS206TB1fme8EVSVyjntKtBYhZ3Bf0KTj/9bP9IkD7l6Q=="> Received: (from lajackson@juno.com) by m9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id E62MW94K; Mon, 01 May 2000 23:54:13 EDT To: aml-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: [AML] CARD, _Ender's Game_ Message-ID: <20000501.225059.7623.1.lajackson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-16 From: Larry Jackson Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 23:54:13 EDT Sender: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: aml-list Darlene Young: [MOD: Does anyone on the List have up-to-date information on this?] Jake Lloyd is, I hear, the first choice of Card to play the part of Ender in the upcoming _Ender's Game_ movie. Was this photo part of publicity for the movie? Was the movie even mentioned? _______________ There was no mention of the movie. It appeared to me to be a plug for reading. Larry Jackson ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:30:47 EDT From: CDoug91957@aol.com Subject: Re: [AML] Comments? (Reading the Scriptures) [MOD: AML-List Guidelines define Mormon letters as including "the literary dimensions of scripture." In this thread, we're straddling the line between the literary status of scriptures (on-topic for the List) and their doctrinal status (off-topic for the List). While I don't feel we've gone over the line in any posts to date, I'd like to encourage future posts to focus on the literary rather than the doctrinal dimensions of the issues that are raised in this thread.] In a message dated 00-04-27 20:23:50 EDT, Richard Hopkins writes: << I quoted one authoritative list of the rules of hermeneutics in a table attached to the first chapter of my book, _Biblical Mormonism_. >> I've been reading your book and wishing I had found it a long time ago, both for the tables of rules and for your treatment of the doctrinal issues. I see that these rules do assume, by implication, mortal authorship of the Bible, not direct divine authorship, and I see considerable overlap with principles of general literary exegesis. There is much that literary exegetes interest themselves in that is not in these tables, the ways by which an author communicates meaning by how a thing is said as well as by what is said, but I know from other reading that there is attention to these things in Bible studies (by such as Robert Alter). There has been comparatively little attention to that dimension by LDS writers, however. Here are a few rules I think I might want to add to the list. The scriptures are to be read: -Under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. -As having the primary purpose of helping return manking to God through Jesus Christ. -Prayerfully. -Expectantly. -Obediently. -Receptively, with a minimum of preconception. -As authored by mortals. (The scriptures are products of the preocesses of symbolization by which the human mind constitutes experience. The writing of scripture is a human process of constituting experience with the divine. The possibility that the scriptures contain human error must always be considered. All scripture reflects the limitations of human understanding. The word of God is given inerrantly but sometimes received errantly. The question of authorship is best answered, to a large extent in the Bible and to a lesser extent in the LDS scriptures, by various documentary hypotheses. A text is to be treated by an individual as the word of God when God confirms to him that it is to be so treated, either indirectly through the process of canonization or directly through personal revelation. It is God's imprimatur on the text, rather than its origin, that makes it scripture. -As possibly containing meanings of which the original authors were not aware. -As meaning at any given moment what God confirms them to mean at that moment. -In the light of personal revelation, apostolic commentary, scholarship, experience, and reason. -In community with the Saints and other believers. -As offering, through fissures in ther unity, passage to higher realms of knowledge. -As being both presentational and discursive (after Langer). (This means that all the principles of "literary" exegesis can be brought to bear.) -In the case of the LDS scriptures, against the background of the Bible, while reading the Bible in the light of the other LDS scriptures (an expansion of the hermeneutical circle). -In the case of the Book of Mormon, as an inspired 19th century expansion of an ancient source document. Colin Douglas cdoug91957@aol.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 23:38:12 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] CARD, _Ender's Game_ I don't have information on the picture of Lloyd reading _Ender's Game_, although it's hard not to believe that the movie was in someone's mind somewhere along the line. As for the movie itself, the latest "Movie Update" at Fresco Pictures' website is dated April 11, and says that the script is being shopped around to directors with clout right now, thanks to Jake Lloyd's interest in doing the film and _Ender's Shadow_'s brisk sales. As for Lloyd being cast as Ender, that argument has been hashed over a bajillion times on Card's Hatrack website and other places I've never visited but heard about through the grapevine. Just about all of Card's fans think Lloyd is a bad choice and wish Haley Joel Osment would be cast instead. When Card made an appearance in Utah to promote _Magic Mirror_, he addressed this. The word is, Jake Lloyd _will_ be Ender, and Osment will definitely _not_ be Ender, end of story. Osment is too old and would probably go through puberty during filming, ruining all the previous takes. He is also too meek-looking to make a good Ender, according to Card. Card is satisfied that Lloyd can do the job, his performance in Star Wars notwithstanding. Card attributes that fiasco to the script and directing. I'm willing to trust Card on this one, even though I thought Lloyd's performance in Star Wars was lame too. Card originally wrote the script with an emphasis on the adult points of view because he lived in dread that the film would be "Culkinized"--a cute but inept actor cast as Ender. He tried to make the script as child-actor-proof as possible. But when Lloyd read the book, heard a film was in the works, and contacted Card about wanting to play Ender, everything changed. Card felt satisfied the film would be in good hands and rewrote the entire script to be from Ender's point of view (as the book is and as the film should be). Whatever you may think of Card, he's no fool. I think he knows what he's doing. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== Read "How I as a crazy high school kid wrote an opera about Joseph Smith" at: http://www.wwno.com/gpjs/howi.htm ================================== - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 04:37:51 -0600 (MDT) From: Ivan Angus Wolfe Subject: Re: [AML] CARD, _Ender's Game_ Thoms said (about Jake Llyod in Ender's game): > > Please, no, say it isn't so. They couldn't have found a worse actor. > Ender's Game will tank big time if this cast this human cardboard (or > maybe it's just that Lucas, known as a non-actor's director, couldn't > direct him properly.) > > Thom That's Card's opinion - that Lucas gave Llyod horrid lines and couldn't direct him properly. (now that Lucas has someone else finishing the script for SW Episode II - perhaps the dialouge will at least improve). - --Ivan - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 06:36:20 -0700 From: "lynn gardner" Subject: RE: [AML] Inaugural message Welcome, Jonathan. And thank you, Benson. As mostly a lurker for the past year, I've enjoyed this forum immensely, even when I return from a trip and have 343 messages to plow through! When my husband suggests I just delete them and start fresh, I can't even consider that a possibility. I love the conversation and the topics. I definitely connect with your private image of heaven, Jonathan. > All of us have our own private images of heaven. One of my favorites is a group of friends sitting around a living room, sharing good food and good conversation. Topics range from the amusing to the profound. Discussion is comfortable, informal, yet thoughtful. Have wanted to contribute to several discussions lately but with finishing final edits and condensing Jade and Jeopardy for book on tape, this is the most I can manage. By time I have time, the discussions will be history. Oh well. Looking forward to great things to come. Lynn Gardner - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 06:36:22 -0700 From: "lynn gardner" Subject: RE: [AML] Julie KIRK (was Tooting my own horn) Julie, I've seen the sidewalk paintings at the Mission at Santa Barbara. They were marvelous. Thanks for the listing of dates. I'll look for you at one of them. Can't wait to see you in action! Lynn Gardner it is definitely an event to be experienced firsthand. Pictures do not even begin to describe what happens in real life, they have no way of truly conveying the monumentality of the work being done, so I definitely recommend seeing a festival in person if you ever have the opportunity. > > Julie - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 06:36:20 -0700 From: "lynn gardner" Subject: RE: [AML] Inaugural message (resend) [MOD: This is a test--this message went out already once.] Welcome, Jonathan. And thank you, Benson. As mostly a lurker for the past year, I've enjoyed this forum immensely, even when I return from a trip and have 343 messages to plow through! When my husband suggests I just delete them and start fresh, I can't even consider that a possibility. I love the conversation and the topics. I definitely connect with your private image of heaven, Jonathan. > All of us have our own private images of heaven. One of my favorites is a group of friends sitting around a living room, sharing good food and good conversation. Topics range from the amusing to the profound. Discussion is comfortable, informal, yet thoughtful. Have wanted to contribute to several discussions lately but with finishing final edits and condensing Jade and Jeopardy for book on tape, this is the most I can manage. By time I have time, the discussions will be history. Oh well. Looking forward to great things to come. Lynn Gardner - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 10:18:33 -0600 From: Thom Duncan Subject: Re: [AML] CARD, _Ender's Game_ <390E69C4.BB7F02FA@wwno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: aml-list "D. Michael Martindale" wrote: > > When Card made an appearance in Utah to promote _Magic Mirror_, he > addressed this. The word is, Jake Lloyd _will_ be Ender, and Osment will > definitely _not_ be Ender, end of story. And end of success in my opinion. Lloyd has the charisma of wet cottage cheese. Were I Card, I would be searching the Internet for information on how I could commit Hari Kari in the most efficient manner. > Card is satisfied that Lloyd can do the job, his performance in > Star Wars notwithstanding. Card attributes that fiasco to the script and > directing. I hope he's right. > But when Lloyd read the book, heard a film was in the works, and > contacted Card about wanting to play Ender, everything changed. Card > felt satisfied the film would be in good hands and rewrote the entire > script to be from Ender's point of view (as the book is and as the film > should be). Whatever you may think of Card, he's no fool. I think he > knows what he's doing. I, for one, am very hesitant. There are so many variables that could upset this apple cart. Anyone who knows Hollywood knows it is a collaborative medium. Card will have to get a director who shares his vision (tough to do), and, unless he's producing the thing entirely out of his own money, he'll have to contend with the money people and what they want. If they get any director with any clout (a good idea), Card will more than likely NOT have veto power of any kind and will have to settle for what the director thinks is appropriate. I hope everything turns out all right, but I'm very skeptical. Thom Duncan - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 10:21:16 -0600 From: Thom Duncan Subject: Re: [AML] CARD, _Ender's Game_ Ivan Angus Wolfe wrote: > > Thoms said (about Jake Llyod in Ender's game): > > > > Please, no, say it isn't so. They couldn't have found a worse actor. > > Ender's Game will tank big time if this cast this human cardboard (or > > maybe it's just that Lucas, known as a non-actor's director, couldn't > > direct him properly.) > > > > Thom > > That's Card's opinion - that Lucas gave Llyod horrid lines and couldn't direct > him properly. (now that Lucas has someone else finishing the script for SW > Episode II - perhaps the dialouge will at least improve). What else has this living piece of cardboard known as Jake Lloyd done that a nervous fan can go and see to assuage his inchoate fears that the whole project is going to tank big-time? Thom Duncan - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 23:54:13 EDT From: Larry Jackson Subject: [AML] CARD, _Ender's Game_ [MOD: This is a second resend for technical purposes of a post that went out earlier today without a subject line.] Darlene Young: [MOD: Does anyone on the List have up-to-date information on this?] Jake Lloyd is, I hear, the first choice of Card to play the part of Ender in the upcoming _Ender's Game_ movie. Was this photo part of publicity for the movie? Was the movie even mentioned? _______________ There was no mention of the movie. It appeared to me to be a plug for reading. Larry Jackson ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: (No, or invalid, date.) From: "Marilyn & William Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] Julie KIRK (was Tooting my own horn) This is great, Julie. Thank you SO MUCH! Exactly what I hoped you'd do. = Now I am so jealous of people in California because I want to be there = to see it happen! Sincerely, Marilyn Brown - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:05:35 -0400 From: "Eric D. Dixon" Subject: Re: [AML] CARD, _Ender's Game_ Thom wrote: >What else has this living piece of cardboard known as Jake Lloyd done >that a nervous fan can go and see to assuage his inchoate fears that the >whole project is going to tank big-time? I thought he did a good job in _Unhook the Stars_ (although Marisa Tomei did not). Eric D. Dixon "The attitude that life owes us something, if not everything, encourages life to thwart our endeavours. This life may not provide justice, but it is fairer than we might like it to be. When we act as we like, we get what we want; but not what we need." -- Robert Fripp - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:24:45 -0400 From: "Eric D. Dixon" Subject: Re: [AML] CARD, _Ender's Game_ Thom wrote: >Please, no, say it isn't so. They couldn't have found a >worse actor. Ender's Game will tank big time if this cast >this human cardboard (or maybe it's just that Lucas, known >as a non-actor's director, couldn't direct him properly.) That's what Card thinks, apparently: http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/summer-movies-99.shtml Casting extraordinary talents like Liam Neeson or Jake Lloyd doesn't mean a thing if they have dialogue that simply cannot be saved. (I've been amused at the number of people who, incapable of distinguishing between performance and script, have written to me saying, "Don't use Jake Lloyd in Ender's Game!" To them I must say: If Liam Neeson couldn't make his character into a believable human, why do you think Jake Lloyd, equally bereft of script and direction, should do better? Indeed, I think Jake did a better job than any of the adults of transcending his lame material.) Eric D. Dixon "The attitude that life owes us something, if not everything, encourages life to thwart our endeavours. This life may not provide justice, but it is fairer than we might like it to be. When we act as we like, we get what we want; but not what we need." -- Robert Fripp - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:46:29 -0500 From: Shawn Ambrose (by way of Jonathan Langford Subject: [none] ) Subject: [AML] RE: _Ender's Game_ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: aml-list I think _Ender's Game_ is a high water mark of literature for the twentieth century (now, OSC, don't get puffed up); it's right up there with _The Spy Who Came In From The Cold_. What a century the twentieth was! I wonder how many people in the general public know that _Ender's Game_ was written by an LDS person. I didn't know it for a couple of years after I read it. Melinda Ambrose - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:45:09 -0400 From: Shawn Ambrose Subject: RE: [AML] Comments? (Reading the Scriptures) When I wrote that "if it is scripture, it can be taken literally in the Lord's time", my point was that, it doesn't matter who wrote the passage of scripture or in what style they wrote it; the truth of it remains. The fulfillment may take place far in the future of when it was recorded, but each prophet writes it as he saw it, in language that fits the Lord's purpose at the time. Isaiah was commanded to write obscurely. I would hate to have to couch the prophecies in language that would be misunderstood and misconstrued for millenia. I'm thinking also of when Joseph Smith told the Saints not to take vengeance on their persecutors in Missouri. In _Plain Speaking_, a biography of Harry S Truman, Harry Truman tells that his grandmother was present in Missouri, the Independence area, during the 1850's. She suffered! The people there on the border of Missouri and Kansas had a strip 60 miles wide that was just devastated. The Lord meant it when he said, "I will repay." [Melinda Ambrose] [MOD: Again, I don't want to cut off discussion on this thread, but simply encourage anyone posting on these issues to focus on the literary dimension of scripture and prophecy, as opposed to doctrinal questions.] - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:01:34 -0600 From: Kathleen Woodbury Subject: Re: [AML] CARD, _Ender's Game_ At 10:57 PM 4/29/00 EDT, Larry Jackson wrote: >On the last page in the May 2000 National Geographic, >there is a photograph of a young boy in a small boat >reading a book. The ad says, "Get caught reading" >and is by The Association of American Publishers. >The photograph is by Gregory Heisler. > >The title of the book is legible in the photograph and is >the thing that first caught my eye. The book is Orson >Scott Card's Ender's Game. The photograph is titled, >"Jake Lloyd reading ENDER'S GAME." > >I wonder if the photograph will have any effect on book sales? And I wonder what universe your May 2000 NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC is in. On the last page of our May 2000 NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC there is a photo of Jane Goodall and a chimpanzee. And I can't find any young boys reading any books in any boats anywhere else in the issue. TWILIGHT ZONE time? Kathleen Dalton-Woodbury workshop@burgoyne.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #29 *****************************