From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #41 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Tuesday, May 16 2000 Volume 01 : Number 041 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:38:57 -0700 From: Barbara@techvoice.com (Barbara R. Hume) Subject: Re:[AML] Women in Scriptures (was: Reading the Scriptures) >>their on-camera father I took the liberty of giving them >>names that I think any prospective authors should >>seriously consider: >>Lemuelette and Lehi-dean. Utah Nephites! barbara hume - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:11:36 -0700 (MST) From: Benson Parkinson Subject: Re: [AML] Fair Use in Copyright | On another list, there was mention of a "fair use copy" | of an entire document. I was wondering from our | experienced copyright folks if there is really such a thing. | Can copying the entire document really be "fair use", | even if it is only for "personal research"? Sounds a | mite excessive to me. I don't think so. According to the Chicago Manual of Style and various other sources, one of the tests of fair use is that you don't copy a substantial portion of the original. There are various rules of thumb--you hear 10% sometimes--but that's left to courts to decide. Benson Parkinson - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:23:55 -0600 From: Kathleen Woodbury Subject: Re: [AML] Favorite Characters in LDS Fiction Steve Perry asked about Gardner's quote and I wasn't going to add my bit to the responses, but then again, what the heck. Because I am a writer, I try to pay attention to how I read; in hopes of understanding how others may read and in hopes of using that understanding to become a better writer. One of the things I noticed quite a while ago (since I began actually selling my stories) is that it gets harder all the time to find books that I want to get back to (much less the proverbial "book you just can't put down!"). I used to pride myself on finishing a book if I started it. No more--too many books, too little time.... What I have noticed more recently is that if I don't care about the characters in the book, I don't care to keep reading. And because there is so little time and so many other books I want to read, a book without characters I care about had better have some other very good reason for me to read it, or I =will= put it down and probably never take it up again. (Example: just finished reading THE BONE HUNTER by Sarah Andrews--murder mystery set in Salt Lake County, with Mormons and non-Mormons, and even a splinter group led by a wild-eyed "prophet" named Brother Nephi. I had a very hard time caring about the first-person-point-of-view amateur sleuth, but I finished the book because I wanted to see how she portrayed Mormons. For what it's worth, I didn't think she did as good a job as she could have, in spite of the LDS member she consulted with--they did things I haven't been aware of Mormons doing. ) So, yes, I agree with Gardner. I may write stories in a genre that is not known for character-driven stories, but I don't read or enjoy very many of the stories in my genre that don't have strong characters. And I hope I write strong characters myself--I care about them, anyway. At 08:55 AM 5/11/00 -0500, Terri Reid wrote: >Do we love these characters because we see ourselves in them? Or because we >wish we could see ourselves in them? And, do all of the characters we create >have a little bit of us in them? I don't know the answers to the first two questions here. I think it depends on the reader. I submit that the answer to the third question is yes, though. In fact, I think that all the characters we create probably have more than a little bit of us in them. Even if all that bit is is the way we perceive those around us. Consider: your perception of a neighbor or a family member is based entirely on what you get from your experiences with them (directly or indirectly). You do not see inside that person's head, you do not live that person's life. Only the inspiration of the Holy Ghost can even begin to give you a feel for what that person is =really= like, and only if you are worthy of that information and that person is part of your stewardship. So the person you call "Mom" or "Brother Smith" is not the real Mom or the real Brother Smith. It is a construct of your own mind. If you base a character on Mom or Brother Smith, you are basing that character on a little bit of yourself, not on the real person. So I submit that every character we create comes from inside our own heads, and every character is some kind of manifestation of ourselves, some aspect of our own personalities. Even the bad guys.... And I also submit that recognizing that can give us the power to make characters that are interesting and believable to our readers. We take a little bit of this and a little bit of that and we can make even the bad guys real. In a way, every story we write is autobiographical, and every character we create is us. (Pardon the grammar.) Kathleen Dalton-Woodbury workshop@burgoyne.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:15:28 -0600 From: "Richard C. Russell" Subject: Re: [AML] Jesus on CBS Do people lose their sense of fun and practical joking at age 30 or something? I especially liked the water fight. ************************************************* Richard C. Russell lderlore@xmission.com SLC UT www.leaderlore.com Ask about Leader Lore, a Leadership Newsletter. "There is never the last word, only the latest." ************************************************* - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:01:13 EDT From: Larry Jackson Subject: [AML] MN LDS Theater Producer's Festival Wins Tony Award: Deseret News From: Kent Larsen To: Mormon News Subject: MN LDS Theater Producer's Festival Wins Tony Award: Deseret News 8May00 P2 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:00:00 -0400 [from Mormon-News] LDS Theater Producer's Festival Wins Tony Award (Tony Award has festival folks walking on cloud 9) Deseret News 8May00 P2 http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1%2C1249%2C165011058%2C00.html By Ivan M. Lincoln: Deseret News theater editor E-mails, bouquets, phone calls pour into Cedar offices CEDAR CITY, UTAH -- LDS theater producer Fred Adams' Utah Shakespearean Festival was awarded a Tony award for the best regional theater in the U.S. for 1999. The award, which will be presented June 4th, validates the 39 years of effort put into making the Festival one of the top Shakespearean festivals worldwide and a major tourist attraction for Southern Utah. The Festival was finally able to announce the award on Monday, May 8th after learning about it the week before. "We received word about the award on Friday afternoon in a telephone call from Edgar Dobie, managing producer of the Tony Awards production, but we couldn't say anything about it until Monday morning, when the Tony nominations were being announced at Sardi's Restaurant in New York City," said a giddy Adams. Officials at the Festival are pleased. R. Scott Phillips, managing director of the festival said, "it's an incredible honor. It's like we've reached the pinnacle of something that's both deeply profound and very rewarding. All those years of struggling have paid off." And the Festival hopes that the award will have a significant positive impact on its bottom line. "I just got a call from the Los Angeles Times," he said. "You can't buy that kind of publicity." The award includes a medallion and a cash award of $25,000, which Phillips says will probably be used for further expansion. Founded in 1961, the Festival has a long-running capital campaign that seeks to create a $55 million Shakespearean Center for the Performing Arts that will cover several blocks just off the campus of Southern Utah University in Cedar City. The Festival has also become a venue for workshopping plays by Mormon playwrights, through its reading and playwright in residence programs. Works by LDS playwrights Eric Samuelsen, Tim Slover and others have been presented there, and LDS playwright Marianne Hales Harding will be the Festival's playwright in residence for 2000. >From Mormon-News: Mormon News and Events Forwarding is permitted as long as this footer is included Mormon News items may not be posted to the World Wide Web sites without permission. Please link to our pages instead. For more information see http://www.MormonsToday.com/ Send join and remove commands to: majordomo@MormonsToday.com Put appropriate commands in body of the message: To join: subscribe mormon-news To leave: unsubscribe mormon-news To join digest: subscribe mormon-news-digest - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:17:31 -0600 From: "Richard C. Russell" Subject: Re: [AML] Jesus on CBS I agree with your assessment and would add that I liked the device of flashbacks to tell of his youth. I liked that John the Baptist and Jesus both got Bar Mitzvahed when they were 12 -- and that that was the reason for going to Jerusalem then. The anxiety of Jesus' parents was well done and I liked Joseph. I liked the empowerment of Mary and how much she was involved in his embarking on his mission especially at the Wedding at Cana which was also well done. I liked how obnoxious Matthew was as a tax collector -- setting up his call and change. The temptations were good in the dialogue, not necessarily the special effects. Jesus was an exuberant young man who showed genuine emotion and even goofed off with his friends. I really liked that. If Jesus is going to understand human life he had to partake of it. The tale was full of geographical contradictions. His early relationship with Lazarus and Mary was shown to be in Nazareth when Lazarus and his sisters lived in Bethany. John the Baptist was raised in the hill country of Judea and he's shown traveling with Mary and Joseph from Nazareth to Jerusalem when the boys were 12. JtheBaptist was trying too hard and ended up coming off weak. The baptism at Jordan was lame. ************************************************* Richard C. Russell lderlore@xmission.com SLC UT www.leaderlore.com Ask about Leader Lore, a Leadership Newsletter. "There is never the last word, only the latest." ************************************************* - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:44:05 JST From: "Andrew Hall" Subject: [AML] ROGERS, _A Call to Russia_ (review) Title: A Call to Russia: Glimpses of Missionary Life Author: Thomas F. Rogers Publisher: BYU Studies 208pp., 1999. $10.95. I've recently had a wonderful time reading Tom Rogers' new book about his recent three year calling as a Mission President in St. Petersburg (1993-1996). I've been looking forward to writing a glowing review, with lots of quotes from the book. Unfortunately I've lost my copy, I think at the camp where we had youth conference a few weeks ago, and most of the specific stories I wanted to share have become too fuzzy in my mind to give them any justice. But I think I can still give a basic description of the book, and my reaction to it. First, who is Tom Rogers? Gideon Burton's Mormon literature web site says he "graduated from the University of Utah before going to Yale and later, Stanford, where he earned his Ph.D. in Russian Literature. After teaching at Howard University he returned to his native Utah were he taught at the University of Utah. He currently teaches at BYU. Besides numerous professional articles and books, Rogers has written several short stories and plays on both Mormon and secular themes. He and his wife Miriam have seven children." He has taught in the BYU Slavic department for many years, specializing in literature and film. I have a warm spot in my heart for Dr. Rogers as my wife, Jenifer, and I first met in a class he taught on Tolstoy. It was one of my favorite classes at BYU, because of the way he could take passages from the 19th century texts and find insights in them which applied so beautifully to 20th century Mormon students. His mind is a fascinating mix of intellectual breadth and Christian compassion, and I hung on every word. Dr. Rogers has also been a key figure in Mormon literature. Although not part of the BYU theater department, he is a theater devotee, and has written, acted in, and directed innumerable plays there over the years. Also, he has led his Russian students in Russian language dramatizations of Tolstoy and Dostoevsky plays annually, a practice he continued with his missionaries while Mission President. His most famous play undoubtedly has been "Huebener", which was performed at BYU sometime in the 1970s. It dramatized the true, but then largely unknown, story of the three teenage German members who banded together to print anti-Nazi materials (using the branch mimeograph machine) during Hitler's reign. They were soon caught, and Huebener, the leader of the group, was executed. He was also excommunicated by the Branch President, largely to protect the rest of the congregation. After the war Huebener's membership was reinstated. (Neal Chandler also wrote a play based on the Huebener story, "An Appeal to a Higher Court," told from the point of view of the Branch President, which appeared in Sunstone.) The play was somewhat controversial for what some saw as a critical view of the Church's actions, and a planned production in California was canceled. Margaret Young was in the cast of the original BYU production, and wrote about the experience in a Dialogue essay "Doing Huebener," (I'm not sure which issue). Rogers' plays have been collected in two books, "God's Fools: Plays of Mitigated Conscience" (Signature, 1983) and "Heubener and Other Plays" (Poor Robert's, 1992), both of which contain "Huebener". There is a transcript of a recent interview with Dr. Rogers on Gideon Burton's site, along with the text of a recent play (http://humanities.byu.edu/MLDB/B-rogert.htm). Rather than a single narrative, or thematic chapters, Dr. Rogers wrote the entire book as a collection of short anecdotes and reflections, roughly in chronological order. The sections are rarely longer than a page, and often there are three to a page. It appears that many of the passages were originally from his own journal. He also uses stories and observations from his wife and daughter, as well as the missionaries themselves. At first I feared that this style wold make the book less consequential than it could be, but I was wrong. In such short spaces he gives amazingly penetrating insights into such things as his own soul, the strengths and failings in Russian society, what makes a good missionary, and the qualities that make Church organizations work. He can be brutally honest about his own failings, especially in the first section covering the beginning of his mission. For someone who saw his own mission presidents as almost god-like figures, it was revealing to see how the early months of a mission are full of many small embarrassments, foolish mistakes, and general lack of comfort for the president as much as it is for the missionary. He doesn't fail to mention the drudgery and disappointments of missionary work, and often mentions the guilt felt by himself and his missionaries because of their inability to help so many people they found drowning in alcoholism. Such discussion makes the joy over the miracles of the work that much more strong. The best part was his discussion of how the basic church units, districts and branches, work. Again, I wish I had it to quote, but his loving descriptions of the wisdom and foolishness of his local leaders are masterfully done, and the lessons he draws from them are completely applicable to a reader in a large, stable ward in the United States. I really can't say enough about this book. I think it is the best non-fiction book on missionary work I have ever read, and is among the best LDS non-fiction/essay books put out in the last decade. It is on the level of Eugene England's best work in almost every way: intellectual depth, writing skill, and spiritual imagination. Many writers have one or two of those qualities, but few have all three. This book is a piece of gold for those of us who hunger for such literature. That isn't to say it will go over the head of those who prefer simpler reading, it is full of enough interesting stories to appeal to readers on a variety of levels. I especially recommend it as a gift for soon-to-be missionaries. I have found one passage I can quote to give you an idea of his writing, which is in both the book and his article "On the Importance of Doing Certain Mundane Things" in the December 1998 Sunstone: "I often think these days of that charge by higher critics of the Church that we are all robots, all sheep. Then I look at what rugged individuals our outstanding members have to be in this environment, how self-denying and committed and discerning our leaders have to be-each at every step required to exercise initiative along with constant inspiration-how mature all must be to work together in team fashion (and by contrast how egotistical and self-centered those are who can or will not). And I have to smile at how, in fundamental, existential ways those higher critics are dead wrong. Of course, common agreement on and full acceptance of certain fundamental principles is presupposed by the Church. But what's so wrong with that if they're also true principles, and the Lord's. That's reason enough to defer to those who are the stewards of the structure that allows the entire dynamic we call the Church to work at all. This leads me to a keener sense of why intellectuals rarely join the Church: In their versatile, resilient minds they can, under any circumstances, too readily distract themselves. Others, less verbally or conceptually disposed, are more vividly aware of our common existential deficiency-for which life's cruder, more obviously escapist distractions clearly do not compensate. The life of the mind and the aesthetic sense are, moreover, such powerful and comprehensive surrogates, such subtle spiritual imitations (and often as not religion's legitimate enhancements) that intellectuals can remain too easily distracted, too comfortable, too self-satisfied." Andrew Hall Nagareyama, Japan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:18:16 -0600 From: "Clark Goble" Subject: [AML] LABUTE: _Nurse Bettry_ Sorry, my email has been acting up, so I've not been reading of late. Has anyone discussed LaBute's latest movie that is showing at Cannes? It is apparently a Tarantinoesque comedy about a soap opera fan who comes to believe she is in the soap after her husband is brutally tortured and murdered by some funny hitmen. (Chris Rock and Morgan Freeman) Here are a few links that deal with it: http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=5927 Over at AICN they give it a fairly good review. "This is the new film from Neil LaBute, who up til now has demonstrated a great skill with misogynism and emotional brutality. Boy, has he taken a backflip here." I've noticed a few others have mentioned it, although not with any degree of detail. Usually it is to make a comment about how good Renee Zelwinger is or how derivative the film is of Tarantino. - -- Clark Goble --- d.c.g@att.net ----------------------------------- - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:39:09 -0700 From: Julie Kirk Subject: Re: [AML] Jesus on CBS >>I was wondering if any of you had similar thoughts and reactions to this >portrayal >>of Him. >> >>Dean I've always thought of Jesus as a real person, and often wondered how the day to day existence thing worked for him. I have to say, though (and I didn't watch the second half of the series as I had to work tonight) that I didn't care too much for this series, or the first part that I did see. I had a hard time shaking previous images of Jeremy Sisto in "The Sixties", and to me, Jesus came off as a rock star, with his mother being his biggest groupie. It kind of left me with a sour taste in my mouth. Interestingly enough, the series came up today in my drawing class, and the other people who saw it had about the same impression. Okay, so I *know* that Jesus was a real person and that this director wanted to portray that feeling, and I would have to think that Jesus had a sense of humor (his father does, just look at him having me raising kids ;o), but I also think there was an underlying reverence to his thoughts and actions that I didn't pick up in the show. And one really big bug factor in the whole thing was having him perform miracles like they were party tricks. julie [Kirk] - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:42:01 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: [AML] Guess who's a Nazi white supremacist? I was settling into bed with the TV on over the weekend, flipping through the channels, when I came across this movie where two young men, Jewish and black, had car trouble and walked to a nearby farm to get some help. Quite unintentionally, they stumbled across a meeting of a bunch of Nazi white supremacists going on in the barn. The Nazis were doing their "Sieg heil" thing, but faltered to a stop when they noticed the intruders. The head Nazi slowly turns around to see what's going on, and into the camera turns the face of--Marvin Payne. I about fell right out onto the floor. Talk about your bizarre casting! The movie itself, called _Pure Race_, left a lot to be desired. Too many irritating cliches: the sheriff deputy who turns out to be a part of the Nazis. The head Nazi who is the town's mayor. Good guys who never do the intelligent thing when the opportunity presents itself. Bad guys who magically appear no matter where the good guys go, but can't hit the side of a barn with their guns. The head bad guy who confronts one of the two good guys, but hesitates to kill him just long enough so the other good guy can come to the rescue. But Marvin Payne did a reasonable job portraying a nasty racist murderer who thinks of himself as fighting for a greater good. Makes you wonder what dark streak inside he was drawing from for his performance that he's kept hidden all these years. I had my wife watch it. Her comment partway through was, "This movie better end good, or I'll be wondering why he took this part." Well, the movie did end good in the sense that it left a moral message. Marvin showed us how you can depict evil in a work of art while having the art still be moral. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== Read "How I as a crazy high school kid wrote an opera about Joseph Smith" at: http://www.wwno.com/gpjs/howi.htm ================================== - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:56:30 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] Jesus on CBS Dean FH Macy: "I was wondering if any of you had similar thoughts and reactions to this portrayal of Him." I'd already thought of Jesus in much the same way as this program portrayed him--minus the obligatory soul-searching and doubt about his calling that all traditional prophets and men of God seem to be put through these days from Hollywood and television. I like how he spoke his sayings in contemporary English instead of King James quotes, because I doubt he preached in archaic, formal Aramaic back then. I like how he took part in life with those around him instead of standing there looking beatific all the times. I must confess seeing him participate in a water fight was a bit much for me, as were some other occasional artistic choices, but you have to expect that. Overall, my biggest complaint would be that I think by the time he was the age at which the program portrayed him, he was clear on what his mission was and didn't need to do the soul-searching they presented. Oh, and I'm also sick to death of the assumption on flimsy evidence that Mary Magdelene was a prostitute. Yes, it's a possible interpretation, but hardly compelling, and that interpretation's been taken almost 100% of the time. I'd like to see something different for once. Personally, I'd like to see someone speculate that Jesus and Mary Magdelene fell in love and got married. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== Read "How I as a crazy high school kid wrote an opera about Joseph Smith" at: http://www.wwno.com/gpjs/howi.htm ================================== - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 01:13:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathleen Meredith Subject: Re:[AML] Women in Scriptures (was: Reading the Scriptures) That's what I was thinking! So, now, are we all going to collaborate and write the story of these women? Although, may I suggest Saraphi as an alternate name for one of the sisters? Additionally would we dare write it in Book of Mormon language? - "And it came to pass, etc." - Or would that really be pushing it? Were women even permitted to learn to read and write at that time??? I can see our research has only just begun if this is going to look and feel authentic! When all is said and done, we may very well return to the original subject of reading the scriptures! - -Kathleen Meredith - --- "Barbara R. Hume" wrote: > > >>their on-camera father I took the liberty of > giving them > >>names that I think any prospective authors should > >>seriously consider: > >>Lemuelette and Lehi-dean. > > Utah Nephites! > > barbara hume - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:55:28 -0600 From: "Darvell" Subject: [AML] Re: Jesus on CBS I'm sorry to say that I missed this on CBS, but with the discussion of the portrayal of Jesus, I'm wondering about other portrayals of Him in other films. Did anyone see Willam Defoe as Jesus? I heard ALOT of negatives about this film and almost didn't see it. I'm glad that I did. (It was broadcast on my satellite dish about a month or so ago. I forget which channel.) There were a few things in the film that I found shocking and seriously didn't like, but the rest of it was good enough to overshadow these things. It portrayed Christ as a less-than-god-like personality, as purely human, but still God. And it was interesting to see that Judas, played by Harvey Kietel, knew what he was doing and possibly understood the atonement more than Peter did. I think Judas was portrayed as a closer friend to Jesus than even Peter was. He knew that the betrayal was essential to the atonement. At the risk of sounding heretical, I would recommend that you see "The Last Temptation of Christ." All that you have heard may not be true (tho some of it may be). What ends up being the last temptation makes Christ seem so personal and human, but yet he remains God. The film may confuse and possibly shock you, but I'd say that it's worth watching. There's also the film "Jesus Christ, Superstar," but I think we've already discussed that here. Darvell Darvell Hunt, Las Vegas, NV _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:39:24 -0500 From: Jonathan Langford Subject: Re: [AML] Fair Use in Copyright In reply to the question: >| Can copying the entire document really be "fair use", >| even if it is only for "personal research"? Sounds a >| mite excessive to me. Ben wrote: > >I don't think so. According to the Chicago Manual of Style and >various other sources, one of the tests of fair use is that you >don't copy a substantial portion of the original. There are >various rules of thumb--you hear 10% sometimes--but that's left >to courts to decide. On looking at the Chicago guidelines, it seems to me that they apply to including selections of someone else's work in your own published work--a very different case from photocopying for research and educational purposes, which it seems to me is what's being talked about in the original post. I know that there are guidelines and limits to photocopying for these cases, but I think they would be very different from including someone's material in your own published work. One of the four general guidelines on fair use quoted by _Chicago_ is "The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work." To me, this suggests that making a copy of a work that is out of print with limited copies (such as a thesis or dissertation) might be viewed more leniently than making a copy of a book that one could otherwise purchase. But I don't know. (I know there are Web sites out there with much more specific guidelines on how fair use applies to educational purposes, though it's been awhile since I've had occasion to consult them. I presume that a Web search would find also find more detailed guidelines on fair use for research--since as I said, I don't think the _Chicago Manual of Style_ discussion is geared toward this type of situation.) Jonathan Langford (speaking for myself, not the List) jlangfor@pressenter.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:36:12 -0400 From: Dean FH Macy Subject: Re: [AML] Favorite Characters in LDS Fiction Kathleen Woodbury wrote: > Steve Perry asked about Gardner's quote and I wasn't going to add my bit to the > responses, but then again, what the heck. Like Kathleen, I was going to remain mute on this, but I wanted to express my agreement with her and the Gardner quote. I believe in strong characters in fiction, LDS or otherwise. I want to be able to read a book and have the characters leap out at me. I may not agree with the character's point of view but I want the right to disagree. If a character is weak and (s)he does not move me I close the book and sell it at the next yard sale. I have had readers contact me and ask if one of my characters was based upon a real person. Others have written and accused me of writing a factual story and hiding behind a fiction classification. I love these letters. They're the greatest praise I can obtain. I have not read much LDS fiction nor do I write LDS slanted stories. But I have to praise the writing of Zenna Henderson's stories of the People. All her characters leap off the pages and I can't help but believe all those she wrote about are alive now or once were. If any of you seek after extremely strong characters I recommend "The People" series by her. - -- Dean FH Macy, Lit.D./Mus.D. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Specializing in Management of exceptionally talented youth in Music" EPI Records - NetWork Films - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Making children do something they don't want to do is the job of the parents. If that doesn't work, there are always juvenile detention centers." - Mike R. - - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:12:13 -0500 From: justpeachy@greenhills.net (dianna gilliam) Subject: [AML] Depictions of Jesus (was: Jesus on CBS) It has been a while since I have seen it but I seem to recall the Jesus of Nazareth mini-series as my favorite Jesus flick thus far. I saw Jesus Christ Superstar years ago and have not seen The Last Temptation of Christ but I would have to agree with Darvell Hunt's statements about both portrayals. It is our right to agree or disagree with the portrayals in different productions but obviously no one knows all things about the Master for a surety. We have only the sketchiest of details: some prophecies foretelling his birth, life, death, and resurrection. We have the nativity story, the presentation of the babe in the temple at eight days old and the pronouncements of Simeon and Anna, the visit of the wise men in the house (not the stable) where they found the young child (not a babe in swaddling clothes lying in a manger; that was the shepherds!) and the trip to Jerusalem at age twelve by which time the child had already grown "and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him." (KJV Luke 3:40). We can figure that the visit of the wisemen must have been when Jesus was about two years old because it took them a while to find him and of course the infamous Herod had all the male children two years and under killed but after that is at least a ten year period of no knowledge and then another eighteen years of no revealed records until just before His ministry began. I would imagine that if indeed the Savior had to bear all things and be tempted as are we that he had some experiences in his youth that are common to us all, the chief difference being, HE never succumbed to tempations as we often do. He was without sin, truly a lamb without blemish. I have no problem thinking of Jesus as showing joy at times although I would also imagine by the time of His ministry, much of his gaiety was possibly put aside. He had so much to do and so much to try to teach in such a short amount of time and such an audience! Gee, they were so much as we are today weren't they? Scoffers, doubters, disbelievers, wanting to show Him instead of allowing themselves to be shown. Professing belief and loyalty and questioning every move. How wearing that in itself must have been. What we all need to remember is that the movies we see and the books we read about our Redeemer are NOT gospel and are therefore not to be taken as such. Hopefully they will be used as catalysts in lives to cause people to examine their relationship with our Heavenly Father and His Son and take whatever steps are necessary to bring their lives to a point of peace and order. So far I think the production is not too bad. The brief waterfight didn't bother me and I don't really have a problem with Mary Magdalene being portrayed as a whore either. I believe the Saviour said that those without sin had no need for a Saviour and that He had come to save the sinners. Whitewash may make things look good on the outside but it doesn't change the composition of what is underneath. One might as well call a spade a spade and be done with it. I agree that since Jesus was already full of the grace of God and had wisdom at age 12 that He probably pretty much knew His course by age 30. I didn't think the soul searching was too overdone though. I have yet to see the baptism correctly protrayed but there again is the poetic license thing I suppose. What is for certain is that each soul must find the Saviour for him/herself. He is the same, yesterday, today, and forever but I doubt that two people see Him exactly the same because we each have such a personal relationship with Him. Dianna Gilliam justpeachy@greenhills.net - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:15:53 MDT From: "Marianne Hales Harding" Subject: Re: [AML] A Bit of Bragging >This is wonderful, Marianne! Is this "78 Miles" thing in Cedar City this >summer? I'd like to see Sharlee Glenn's 14 year old daughter's play in >Cedar City the following summer? How would I go about it? Marilyn Brown It's a midnight reading on July 28th in a place TBA. If anyone is interested in being playwright in residence or being a part of the New Plays in Progress Series it is an invitation-type thing, but you can send a script to Doug Cook at Utah Shakes for consideration (c/o USF 351 W. Center; Cedar City, UT 84720). Be forewarned, though, the competition is stiff. I have worked in varying capacities for USF for several years and it is only now, after 4 years of being on their backs about this, that I'm getting this opportunity. Ah, persistence :-) Marianne Hales Harding ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:47:20 -0600 From: "Mary Jane Jones" Subject: Re: [AML] Jesus on CBS I agree with the opinions expressed so far, that Jesus would have had a = great sense of humor. I too was bothered by the self-doubt Jesus seemed to = struggle with, even into his ministry. In addition, I didn't like how the = disciples were only won over and convinced by His miracles. True faith = isn't built on seeing signs. I would like to think the disciples were = partially chosen because they could sense his divinity, even if they = didn't know at first that he actually was the Messiah. None of them, = except John, seemed to be affected by his presence at all, until he = performed a miracle. Jeremy Sisto just didn't portray that inner = greatness (but who could?).... The party-gag aspect of the miracles was = also a little disturbing. My thought was that Jesus performed miracles to = teach and build, not to prove himself or shock the crowd. That's why he = refused to perform miracles when Satan was tempting him, isn't it?... I = did like how they seemed to set up the politics of the day pretty well. = Were they accurate? Mary Jane Jones mjjones@xelent.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #41 *****************************