From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #119 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Tuesday, August 1 2000 Volume 01 : Number 119 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:06:08 EDT From: "Rex Goode" Subject: [AML] Pornography (was: DUTCHER, _God's Army_) >I don't agree with you on this - I have a friend who comes from a perfectly >functional family (I know his family really well). He has a good marriage >and a >he and his wife get along great. > >Yet - he has a problem with porn. This is becoming a challenge to keep on-topic. The important on-topic portion of this discussion, to me, is whether pornography addiction is born out of pop culture or in the home. Art does not cause pornography addiction. Art is just art, and we've talked about that definition endlessly here. Some have even made a case for soft porn like Playboy being art and not pornography. You have only offered one anecdotal example of someone you believe did not get his pornography addiction from his childhood environment, but could not really state for sure that it was caused by skimpy dresses on Jennifer Lopez. I could offer more anecdotes than anyone on this list has time to read. I run two web resources for LDS pornography addicts and have had conversations with literally hundreds of them. I have done research and collaborated efforts with professionals in this area. I can't say that your anecdote's subject's experience and perception is invalid, but it is far from what most experience. In addition, it doesn't really matter how well you know the family. There could be dysfunction that not even the members of the family would recognize. We call this denial. Dysfunction does not have to be blatant to cause addiction. The family itself would not know it exists, so it is impossible for anyone to say, "There is no dysfunction in that family," and say it convincingly. More than that, it could not be said of any family and be true. Dysfunction in the family comes with the territory of even having a family. By blaming television, visual arts, music, and yes, even literature, for one's addiction to pornography is a way of escaping personal responsibility. Media just sits there. It is inanimate. Why some people pick up certain kinds and consume it is found in the individual, not in the media itself. Would Jennifer bare so much to the world if it didn't increase her popularity? She is not the cause of the fact that such conditions exist. She is merely exploiting those conditions for her own gain. She is not the cause of your friend's condition. His alone is the responsibility for that. [Rex Goode] ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:10:38 GMT From: "Eric D. Snider" Subject: Re: [AML] Eric D. Snider and Pokemon >I get the distinct feeling from Eric D. Snider's recent newspaper column >that he doesn't like Pokemon. Anybody else sense that? > > >(see article date 7/28/2000 at: >http://www.heraldextra.com/dh/dharc2000.nsf/4b499bca6a38efe4852567a2004c781e >/8725683900647b078725692a001f9414!OpenDocument&Highlight=2,pokemon ) > > The column is more easily found at http://www.ericdsnider.com/snide/snide118pokemon.php3 . The Daily Herald's Web site is interesting in that it is actually less convenient than just going through stacks of old newspapers randomly to find what you're looking for. Eric D. Snider ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:14:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Ivan Angus Wolfe Subject: Re: [AML] MERRILL, "God's Purpose for the Artist in the Gospel Plan" > Steve Perry wrote: > > > Love to know what you think about Keith Merrill's article, "God's Purpose > > for the Artist in the Gospel Plan." > > > > http://www.meridianmagazine.com/arts/000629artists.html > > Couldn't find much to disagree with. > > -- > D. Michael Martindale > dmichael@wwno.com I found a little nit... he claims art crossed language barriers. But on my mission, i found myself confronted with art by Laotions that took a good few months before I could begin to comprhend it, and I found that many Laos were confounded by American art. Colors and shapes had totally or slightly different meanings to their Asian mindset. So how does art cross language and culture when so much art depends on a cultural context? - --Ivan Wolfe - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:33:55 EDT From: "Rex Goode" Subject: Re: [AML] DUTCHER, _God's Army_ To answer Merlyn's question: Yes, Ms. Bernhard was speaking at the Evergreen International conference Saturday evening fireside about four years ago. While her topic was addiction, it should not be assumed that she was stating a case for homosexuality to be a matter of addiction. The format of the Evergreen conferences begins on Friday morning and ends on Saturday evening with a fireside that is generally intended to be a break from the overall topic of the conference, which is homosexuality. The Saturday evening speakers address other issues, giving participants a much-needed break. Colleen Bernhard's work is not directed at same-sex attraction at all. Her book is used for addiction recovery of all kinds and it is not the position of Evergreen International that same-sex attraction is an addiction, nor is it the Church's position. See _The Ensign_, October 1995, Elder Dallin H. Oaks, "Same Gender Attraction" for the reference to not using "gay" as a noun to refer to persons struggling with same-sex attraction. He asserted this on a purely doctrinal point that we are not necessarily what we do. As you noted, President Hinckley has not followed this counsel to the letter, but the last time I checked, he wasn't obligated to. His usage may open it up for us to write about the topic without feeling quite so restricted as with Elder Oaks' suggested grammatical inhibitions. This matter of same-sex attraction identity has been the topic of an article I did for AML-List a couple of years ago. I believe it is still available on the archives, but I don't know where. Basically, I am in favor of the thing you suggest, but not as a parallel to addiction per se. Addiction is fueled by shame, and so the antidote to addiction is self-expression, usually done in support groups like Alcoholics Anonymous, but also in art (see my article). While I would not agree that same-sex attraction is an addiction, one only needs to look closely at the behavior of many who are same-sex attracted to see a highly addictive pattern emerge. Explanations for why vary. Some say that the straight world forces us into that behavior by the restrictions placed on us. Others see that the kind of behavior that comes with homosexuality lends to addiction. It is a question far from resolved and not likely on-topic for AML-List. Gay people find great relief in the "coming out" process. I have suggested a different process for homosexuals like myself who opt to remain faithful to the teachings of the Church that I call "coming forward." The main reason I prefer a different term is that "coming out" carries a connotation of more than just announcing to the world that you're gay, but also involves entering the realm of homosexual experience, or in other words, having your first sexual encounter. Coming forward is more like what I have done, which is to stand up and say, "Yes, this is something I feel. I accept the identity without entering into a relationship." Whether I come out or come forward, the process of self-expression is a relief. Whether coming forward is private, as most of us do it, or public, like I have done, the benefits are the same. Whether I follow the way most homosexuals go or blaze my own trail through the perils of heterosexuality, having the freedom to express myself in the written word will make my choice easier to bear, particularly since there is no easy choice I could have made. [Rex Goode] ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:02:12 -0600 From: Mike South Subject: [AML] Aquabats (was: Eric D. Snider and Pokemon) Laurel S. Brady wrote... > On an unrelated note from the music world (which is very distantly related > to literature) I'm told (by a 12 year old, so who knows) that The Aquabats > are all LDS returned missionaries, and that at least one of the N Sync > and/or Backstreet Boys is also LDS. While I don't know about the Backstreet Boys or N Sync (and I say that with some pride), many--but not all--of the Aquabats are indeed LDS. I was a member of a band that played with them fairly often a few years ago and I got to know most of them. The lead singer and several others are returned missionaries and are quite active in the church. The band often makes two or three appearances in Utah when they're touring because they get such a good response. While their music isn't religious by any stretch of the imagination, their show is just good, clean, goofy fun. I don't think they'll be nominated for a Pearl award anytime soon. - --Mike South - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:14:06 PDT From: "Jason Steed" Subject: Re: [AML] Pornography (was: DUTCHER, _God's Army_) Rex wrote: By blaming television, visual arts, music, and yes, even literature, for one's addiction to pornography is a way of escaping personal responsibility. Media just sits there. It is inanimate. Why some people pick up certain kinds and consume it is found in the individual, not in the media itself. Jason questions: I agree with a lot of what you say. But I think this is just a tad extreme. You're suggesting a certain stance goes too far in escaping personal responsibility; but doesn't your stance go a bit too far in removing responsibility from those who produce the material in question? Yes, giving in to temptation is finally the tempted's responsibility. But I'm not sure the tempter is completely blameless. This is why writing scenes of sex or violence (etc.) is such a huge issue for those of us (i.e. Mormons) with a strong sense of moral accountability. To what extent does our stewardship reach? We don't want to say that the writing of a rape scene _causes_ rape. But I'm not sure we want to say that it has no effect whatsoever, either. After all, if we say that, the reverse must be true-- In other words, while the scriptures don't _cause_ one to accept and believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ--but do we want to say they have NO effect, that they're "just sitting there," powerless and without contribution to our thoughts and actions? Jason ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:18:01 PDT From: "Eric D. Snider" Subject: Re: [AML] Aquabats (was: Eric D. Snider and Pokemon) > > > On an unrelated note from the music world (which is very distantly >related > > to literature) I'm told (by a 12 year old, so who knows) that The >Aquabats > > are all LDS returned missionaries, and that at least one of the N Sync > > and/or Backstreet Boys is also LDS. > >While I don't know about the Backstreet Boys or N Sync (and I say that with >some pride), I will say with some degree of shame that I am unable to find any evidence of anyone from NSync or Backstreet Boys being LDS. This includes some Internet searching, as well as some simple logic: As much as both bands have been in the media over the past year, surely some Utah publication would have discovered the fact by now. I'm pretty "up" on pop culture and entertainment, and definitely aware of what's being printed in Utah, and I've seen nothing about it. Put it on the shelf next to the "Steve Martin is Mormon" rumor. And yeah, the "Pokemon" movie is really awful. Eric D. Snider ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:25:37 -0700 From: eedh Subject: [AML] Re: _Real World_ Actress Suspended From BYU The lead story (on the Home page) of the online BYU DAILY UNIVERSE is about Julie Stoffer's suspension. You can find it at - -Beth Hatch - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:26:10 -0400 From: debbro@voyager.net Subject: Re: [AML] Eric D. Snider and Pokemon and with that review, Eric has another fan. Eric, you are now bookmarked. I laughed so hard, that if I had had coke in my mouth, it would have been on my screen and keyboard. I have never seen any pokemon cartoons, movies, or played the games, but I still can't stand the concept. I have to be heavily persuaded to contribute to my step- sons collection of polemon crap, and I usually buy it while wearing a disguise. Debbie Brown The column is more easily found at http://www.ericdsnider.com/snide/snide118pokemon.php3 . The Daily Herald's Web site is interesting in that it is actually less convenient than just going through stacks of old newspapers randomly to find what you're looking for. Eric D. Snider - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:22:18 -0700 From: "Christopher Bigelow" Subject: [AML] Dinner Thursday in SLC During Sunstone later this week, some of us are planning to meet for dinner on Thursday evening, Aug. 3rd, at 6:30. Whether you are attending Sunstone or not, you're invited to join us. The place, which is within easy walking distance of the Marriott: Ginza Japanese Cuisine & Sushi Bar 209 W 200 South Phone: 801-322-2224 We will finish in time to walk back to Sunstone for the 8:00 evening panel on _God's Army_. (Note: If this restaurant is too busy, we will go around the corner to Red Rocks or somewhere else close. In any event, meet at Ginza at 6:30 and we will try there first.) * * * * * * Read my novella about Mormon missionaries at http://www1.mightywords.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=EB00016373. - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:44:12 -0600 From: Steve Perry Subject: Re: [AML] Aquabats (was: Eric D. Snider and Pokemon) > From: Mike South > Subject: [AML] Aquabats (was: Eric D. Snider and Pokemon) > > I don't think they'll be nominated for > a Pearl award anytime soon. Ya just never know.... Steve P. - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:52:54 -0600 From: Scott and Marny Parkin Subject: Re: [AML] Eric D. Snider and Pokemon I may be the only adult in the western United States who actually likes Pokemon. I watch the Saturday morning cartoon, play the card game, happily buy toys, posters, and Pikachu pillows for my kids, and find the fundamental message of the movies to be positive and uplifting. (One could argue that the whole concept of Pokemon training is exploitative, but then one would have to point out that the Iron Giant actually *was* a weapon, and that Saint Disney apparently hated adult women.) I can't argue about the pure quality of the animation, except to say that it's consistent throughout the franchise, and thus deserves no special rant on this particular attention. It looks like Pokemon fills the same ecological niche in Eric's heart that Barney, Cow and Chicken, and Teletubbies fill in mine--to each his own. But I will argue that the alleged poor quality of the animation is a choice of the genre, not an effort to cheap out on production. I'll also suggest that the Japanese (generally) do a *great* deal more with story, theme, and symbol in their animation than Americans do. Anime is not everyone's cup of tea, but there's much to be appreciated (and defended), and I think it's far from the universal evil Eric suggests. Pokemon in particular is certainly no more cynical than those fine American efforts of media exploitation such as X-Men, Star Wars, or Friends. This opposing viewpoint brought to you by the letters YMMV, and the number 3. Scott Parkin - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:30:24 -0000 From: "rexgoode" Subject: Re: [AML] Pornography (was: DUTCHER, _God's Army_) Jason, I appreciate your question. I do not exonerate producers of pornographic material in the least, when it comes to the responsibility for the availability of their material. However, in dealing with one's own personal addiction to pornography, it does not pay in the least to point to its high availability as an excuse for having indulged. If I produce pornography, I will surely reap what I sow. Of that I have no doubt, and my comments aren't offered to excuse. If I consume pornography, I will also reap what I sow. As restrictions have relaxed over the years, and we find now that what used to be an R-rated movie is now a PG-13, and what used to be censored from child-accessible television is readily available, pornography addiction is on the rise. Yet, as the situation worsens, you will still find those who are prone to indulge and those who are not. To think at this point that we can stem the tide of inappropriate material flowing into the nation's homes is considerably naive. I don't want to discourage anyone from trying. Yet, when the inevitable happens, what will make the difference in our children's lives, and whether or not they are swept up, will be the preparation we provide in the home. I believe that what pornography purveyors do is wrong. No consumer, however, can say that it was the photographer's fault he looked. While I'm clearing certain things up, I also want to state that even though I believe pornography addiction is a product of upbringing, that parents should also not be to blame for the actions of their children. How I react to my environment, for good or ill, is my own responsibility. I look at responsibility this way. I am responsible for myself and to others. It is an important distinction. I can only be culpable for that which I do. I am, however, also responsbile to serve others, to lift others, and to not encourage others to sin. No matter what I do to you, your sins are your own. How you deal with what I do is your responsibility alone. If what I do is wrong, I will pay. You will pay for how you react. We all reap what we sow. Rex Goode - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:58:31 -0600 From: "mjames_laurel" Subject: Re: [AML] BYU Children's Writing Conference > 2) What things did gail Carson Levine say about a writer improving > * Keep your eye on the ball. Keep your eye on the overall concept of the > book at all times. > * Exercise writing in detail-write a scene just focusing on detail. > * Listen to others and become sensitive to what works and what doesn't. Take > advice. > *Trust yourself. > *Interview characters on paper. Do a character description. What is in > their room? What's in their pockets? I found this very interesting. I did not hear Gail Carson Levine, but I was curious what she would say. I've never met her, and haven't even read much of her work (had a dreadful time getting through Ella Enchanted), but I am always curious about her since she and I have the same editor. A lot of what you've noted here sounds so much like what the editor says. But sometimes her constant prodding for more detail makes me crazy, since I like to write in a very spare manner. When I get in one of those moods, though, I find myself trying to balance "Take Advice" and "Trust Yourself" very carefully. Thanks for your summary. Laurel S. Brady - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:05:07 -0600 From: "Payne Family" Subject: [AML] Aquabats (was: Eric D. Snider and Pokemon) I think I can confirm that many of the Aquabats (its a big band) are LDS. I had a student who followed them around on tour, and knows their names, favorite desserts, shoe sizes, guitar string brand preferences, etc. - -Sam Payne - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:54:00 -0700 From: jeff.needle@general.com Subject: [AML] HOLZAPFEL & SHUPE, _My Servant Brigham_ (Review) Review ====== Richard Neitzel Holzapfel & R.Q. Shupe, "My Servant Brigham - Portrait of a Prophet" 1997, Bookcraft Hardback, 155 p. + index, $19.95 Review by Jeffrey Needle "My Servant Brigham" is a very brief look at the life of the second President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is presented in two parts -- an initial, theme-based look at the life of a very complex man, followed by a cradle to grave look at his life and service. The book contains a wealth of rare photographs and drawings from the period. The authors want us to see Brigham as the people of his day saw him. Reproductions of editorial cartoons and newspaper stories provide a rich look at Brigham's contemporaries. Here's a scene that I would have loved to witness: Brigham's power to move people through his sermons is discovered in comments found in hundreds of diaries. For the collective body of the Saints, many situations demonstrate Brigham's ability to rally the people. One such time was in October 1856 when news arrived of the late-starting handcart companies' troubles. After listening to Brigham, Lucy Meserve Smith recalled: "Just at the session of our October Conference, news came where [the] hand card companies were. President Young and others were so excited and anxious for fear those companies would be caught in the snow in the mountains, they would not go on with Conference. The President called for men, teams, clothing and provisions, and they were soon on the way to meet the companies with President Young himself till he got into the Canyon. There he took sick and was obliged to turn back. The sisters stripped off their petticoats, stockings, and everything they could spare, right there in the Tabernacle and piled into the wagons to send to the Saints in the mountains..." (p. 25-26) Throughout this small book, the reader can gain a nice view of everyday life for the Prophet. His energy and zeal for the cause were remarkable. And in the end, even his detractors had to admit that he shouldered an enormous burden in his quest for the building of the kingdom. The authors are careful to maintain a balance between the expected laudatory comments, and the sometimes-spicy criticisms of the contemporary press and others. All in all, it makes for a lovely read, and a very good introduction to Young's interesting life. I continue, however, to balk at the high price of such a book. Twenty dollars seems a bit steep for such a small book. However, it is currently remaindered at Deseret Book, and will make a nice addition to your library. ... Jeff Needle/jeff.needle@general.com ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:31:32 -0700 From: "Eric D. Snider" Subject: Re: [AML] Eric D. Snider and Pokemon > Anime is not everyone's cup of tea, but there's much to be appreciated (and defended), and I think it's far from the universal evil Eric suggests. Read it again. I didn't say ALL anime was evil. I said ALL anime was badly animated (a blanket statement, sure, but sometimes we have to do that in satire), and that "Pokemon," specifically, was evil. I have no opinions as to the evilness of other forms of anime besides "Pokemon." Eric D. Snider - -- *************************************************** Eric D. Snider www.ericdsnider.com "Filling all your Eric D. Snider needs since 1974." - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:44:17 EDT From: Larry Jackson Subject: [AML] MN "Between Husband and Wife" Makes National News: San Jose CA Mercury News (AP) From: Kent Larsen To: Mormon News Subject: MN "Between Husband and Wife" Makes National News: San Jose CA Mercury News (AP) 30Jul00 A2 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:30:00 -0400 [From Mormon-News] "Between Husband and Wife" Makes National News SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH -- Covenant Communications reports that its book "Between Husband and Wife: Gospel Perspectives on Marital Intimacy" is flying off the shelves, and even breifly beat out LDS Church President Gordon B. Hinckley's book "Standing for Something," at Church-owned Deseret Book stores. Covenant has had to go back to press twice, and has a total of 46,000 copies in print, just four months after the book was introduced. The book is unique because it addresses intimacy without the elements that sometimes turn-off a conservative audience. Author Dr. Stephen Lamb, a Salt Lake City gynecologist, says, "In the past, when I had patients with problems and they said, 'Where should I turn?' I would suggest the local bookstore. But for those with fairly conservative values, as most Latter-day Saints have, those kinds of texts are often offensive. Where does one draw the line between a sex manual and pornography?" The book was written by BYU professor Douglas E. Brinley and Lamb and covers physical intimacy in a frank, upfront way. The book contains no pictures, but does clear-up issues of sex by confronting sexual intimacy act for act. Both authors have written on the topic before, Brinley, who is a professor of Church History and Doctrine at BYU, has recorded talk tapes on the subject, including "after the Honeymoon ... and Forever" and "Marital Relationships Seminar." Lamb has authored a book on sexual purity and is a popular speaker on the subject. Now the sales have attracted the attention of the Associated Press' Hannah Wolfson, and the story about the book has appeared in newspapers nationwide. The AP article tells about LDS Church member Krystal Pease and her husband who had success using the book to resolve most of the problems they faced in their marriage. "We were able to resolve about 90 percent of problems we were having in about a month's period," Pease said. "In fact the counselor we were seeing saw our progress and told us we didn't need any more help. Then he bought a copy of the book." Source: Mormon sex issues explored San Jose CA Mercury News (AP) 30Jul00 A2 http://www.mercurycenter.com/premium/nation/docs/mormons30.htm By Hannah Wolfson: Associated Press Marital-intimacy book flying off shelves around the West See also: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1577346092/mormonnews More about "Between Husband and Wife: Gospel Perspectives on Marital Intimacy" at Amazon.com >From Mormon-News: Mormon News and Events Forwarding is permitted as long as this footer is included Mormon News items may not be posted to the World Wide Web sites without permission. Please link to our pages instead. For more information see http://www.MormonsToday.com/ Send join and remove commands to: majordomo@MormonsToday.com Put appropriate commands in body of the message: To join: subscribe mormon-news To leave: unsubscribe mormon-news To join digest: subscribe mormon-news-digest - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 01:37:01 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] _Cowbows and Angels_ (Free Screening) Pup7777@aol.com wrote: > For the passed two years my husband has been producing the film COWBOYS AND > ANGELS. He's trying to get it into the movie theaters. Right now he's at > the point he needs fresh critical eyes on the movie. He's putting on a free > screening of the film Monday July 31st at 7:00 Dakota 380 W Suite 200 S in > Salt Lake City. We would love to see anyone who is interested and can make > it on Monday night. Would love to have been there if I'd received more than a few hours notice. As it is, I read this hours after the event happened. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com [MOD: Apologies for this. Due to family and work responsibilities, I chose not to run AML-List on Saturday, and didn't get to the List messages until nearly midday on Monday. Something to keep in mind if you send in messages that are time-sensitive is that (a) turnaround is sometimes longer than at other times, and (b) even if you include a "time-sensitive" or "priority" comment in your subject line, I won't see it, because when the messages come into my in-box, they don't show the original subject lines.] ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:59:33 -0600 From: "Cathy Wilson" Subject: Re: [AML] Pornography (was: DUTCHER, _God's Army_) Rex wrote: > As restrictions have > relaxed over the years, and we find now that what used to be an R-rated > movie is now a PG-13 Case in point: "The Nutty Professor: The Klumps." We thought it was a kid flick and took the kids last night. We didn't walk out but I wish we had. Total sleaze, absolutely disrespectful in every way. I hope nobody falls into the same trap and goes to see it, with or without kids. Cathy (Gileadi) Wilson Editing Etc. 15 East 600 North Price UT 84501 - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: (No, or invalid, date.) From: "Marilyn & William Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] Dinner Thursday in SLC Would you please remind us again what time and where your panel will be = held? Marilyn Brown - ---------- > > During Sunstone later this week, some of us are planning to meet for = dinner on > Thursday evening, > Aug. 3rd, at 6:30. Whether you are attending Sunstone or not, you're = invited > to join us. > > The place, which is within easy walking distance of the Marriott: > Ginza Japanese Cuisine & Sushi Bar > 209 W 200 South > Phone: 801-322-2224 > > We will finish in time to walk back to Sunstone for the 8:00 evening = panel on > _God's Army_. > > (Note: If this restaurant is too busy, we will go around the corner to = Red > Rocks or somewhere else > close. In any event, meet at Ginza at 6:30 and we will try there first.= ) - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:38:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Darlene Young Subject: Re: [AML] MN Pillar of Fire Brings Book of Mormon to Life: Covenant=20Communications Press Release I wonder if people are going to be as righteously indignant about this particular "epic series based on The Book of Mormon" as they were of O. S. Card's Homecoming series. Methinks probably not. What's the difference? Because Card had the effrontery to take the general themes and put them into a science fiction context (blasphemy!) Whereas this book purports to be "as historically accurate as possible." It has gotten me thinking about truth. Does it lie in setting and plot? Or themes? I don't think of Card's work as scripture, but I felt it was an interesting experiment with true themes enmeshed in a good story. Thus it did not offend me at all. Many people thought he was "stealing ideas from the Book of Mormon and then profitting thereby." Will they think the same of this new work? Or will they excuse it because it uses the same setting and some of the same plot as the Book of Mormon (thus it is less "sneaky")? Or do they believe that because of the setting and plot it is more True and thus more praiseworthy? Personally, I hope that Woolley has simply written a darn good yarn that happens to take place during the same historical period as the Book of Mormon--and that people will recognize it as such. What I fear, though, is that people will believe it to be Truth (with a capital T) and revere it as if it were scripture (as many have revered that other series that this one has been compared to, "The Work and the Glory"). ===== Darlene Young __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:48:57 EDT From: "Rex Goode" Subject: Re: [AML] Pornography Cathy, I think you have every right to feel cheated. I was walking through my living room the other day and some show like a "The Making of 'The Nutty Professor 2 - The Klumps'" was showing. What I heard Eddie Murphy say as I passed by was that it was a family show, something you could take your kids to. That didn't jive much with the previews I saw and I figured it was par for the course. What a Hollywood star like Mr. Murphy thinks is acceptable family fare only shows that he is out of touch with what responsible parents want their children to see. The man is undeniably talented, but his talent and success tends to insulate too much from the mainstream of American life. One wonders, though, if maybe he's not smarter than I give him credit for. At one time, I believed that these celebrities, writers, and producers actually know what the rest of us think of as "family entertainment" but are determined to disabuse of our antiquated notions and bring us forward into the impending 21st century. Part of me still holds them in suspicion for such cultural engineering. If getting us to lower our standards is their aim, they're doing a great job. On the other hand, perhaps we only have ourselves to blame. As a matter of responsibility, I believe the latter. Rex Goode ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:43:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathleen Meredith Subject: Re: [AML] SALINGER, _Catcher_ When I moved into Deseret Towers as a > freshman and caught sight of "F & Z" on my unknown > room-mate's bookshelf I knew she would be a kindred > spirit. And she was. But isn't that sort of the point? Don't we all seek those in complicity to our reading tastes? It allows some understanding of how another views the world by which books he/she has read and loved. -a short-hand knowledege of another's perspective. It is why we can sometimes take it very personally when someone, whose opinion is respected, feels a certain work or an author's entire oeuvre is hogwash. We are somewhat legitimized by the authors we read and revere. However, not every personally enjoyable book adds to the great conversation. And yet, I suspect that certain people tend to tote around some pretty esoteric if not pretentious lists of "favorites" to either be veiwed as or to view themselves as something other than what they truly are. - -Kathleen Meredith - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #119 ******************************