From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #148 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Thursday, September 7 2000 Volume 01 : Number 148 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:25:36 -0700 From: "Eric D. Snider" Subject: [AML] Introductions: Eric Snider Hi. I'm another on this list (the venerable and mighty Eric Samuelsen being one, Eric Dixon being another, and possibly more being others), Eric D. Snider. I'm a 1999 BYU graduate with a degree in journalism, and I'm currently Features Editor at The Daily Herald in Provo. In addition to my feature-editing duties, I write theater and film reviews, as well as a weekly humor column called "Snide Remarks." (I also wrote this column for the BYU paper when I was there, and self-published two compilations of columns, the first of which, I'm proud to say, was the BYU Bookstore's number-one bestseller for the year 1998 -- and it didn't even come out until July of that year. And that's all the boasting you'll hear from me.) I also write a movie-humor column called "In the Dark" for list-member Quinn Warnick's White Shoe Irregular ( http://www.whiteshoe.org ) Web site. I founded The Garrens Comedy Troupe, which has performed sketches and improvisations every week at BYU since January 1993, and of which I am currently director and head writer. Let's see, what else. I'm single, I'm originally from Lake Elsinore Calif., and I enjoy music, theater, movies and eating. My connection with Mormon letters is that "Snide Remarks," being written first for BYU and now for Utah County, often addresses Mormon culture. The Garrens Comedy Troupe, too, while not a "literary" endeavor, nonetheless often involves Mormon-related writing in the form of parody and good-natured ribbing. (We recently watched "Johnny Lingo" during a show and heckled it, scripted, "Mystery Science Theater"-style.) I've met several list members, and hope to meet more someday in a non-e-mail setting. Eric D. Snider - -- *************************************************** Eric D. Snider www.ericdsnider.com "Filling all your Eric D. Snider needs since 1974." - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:17:18 EDT From: Paynecabin@aol.com Subject: Re: [AML] History and Fiction Eric wrote << I can't say for an absolute fact that George Washington never knelt in prayer at Valley Forge; it's just not possible to prove that kind of negative. >> Forgive me for intruding on this thread, but Eric's observation reminded me of the beloved story of Benjamin Franklin standing up (with difficulty, he was lame) in a difficult moment at the constitutional convention and imploring his brethren to pray a way out of their difficulties. He observed that during deliberations in that very room, years earlier, about declaring independence, they had prayed often, but not once during this convention had they sought the guidance of "the Father of Light." So far, so good. What's never told is the next part of the story. One delegate was quick to suggest that if the people in the street saw a clergyman hurrying into the convention, rumors would spread that the delegates were in trouble. Another delegate pointed out that there was no need discussing it anyway, because there was nothing provided in the budget wherewith to pay a clergyman. On to other business. Many sober historians, and even many of the delegates themselves, looked back on the success of the convention, which at many points nearly self-destructed (self-destroyed?), as "a miracle." But it's not evident that anyone asked for one. Or knew Whom in particular to thank. Marvin Payne - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 09:32:45 PDT From: "Jason Steed" Subject: Re: [AML] History and Fiction I agree very much with what Eric (via his post mentioning Schiller) is saying. Finally. We agree. :) Jason _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:36:46 -0700 From: "Andrew Piereder" Subject: [AML] Introductions: Andy Piereder I haven't been active on the list recently, but enjoy reading it. I'm Andy Piereder currently living in Lehi, UT, but formerly from Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. I grew up in Montreal, Quebec. I am 41 years old, married to Donna with three children Mickey-12, Leia-15 and Dan-17. I served in the Belgium Brussels mission and am that mission's site owner. I attended Rick's College (where I met bunny) and Brigham Young. I demonstrated interest and talent for writing even as a boy, but my parents being immensely practical people from working class backgrounds in Europe, encouraged a more technical elan. I have worked in various engineering and technical marketing capacities in my own businesses and for others over the course of my career. I currently own my own distribution and systems integration business in East Lehi. Some years ago it began to dawn on me that I was a literary soul trapped in a businessman/engineer. My literary resume is comprised of articles I have written for technical journals, but I am actively experimenting with less prosaic forms. Unlike Thom Duncan though, I am even nastier in person... Andy P. - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:43:19 -0600 From: Thom Duncan Subject: Re: [AML] History and Fiction "Eric R. Samuelsen" wrote: > Get the facts right. And the result, I predict, will be better fiction, more interesting, > because more complex, fiction. I'm going to jump in once again with my disagreement about "getting the facts" right. I just finished re-reading Peter Shaffer's _Amadeus_. The very turning point of the play is an incident that never happened in history. Salieri didn't dress up like Mozart's dream-father and scare him to death, as happens in the play. Salieri DID confess in his old age that he had poisoned Mozart, but no one ever believed him. (And that scene IS in the play). So why didn't Shaffer stick more closely to the facts, especially in the climactic scene? Shaffer wasn't writing a play about Mozart as much as he was writing about the conflict between the banal and the sublime. Salieri prays for God to bless him (a righteous man) with the talent that the crude Mozart has, but he never does get it. So the play is also about what constitutes talent. Is it something you can strive for, or is just something you receive, whether or not you are "worthy" of it. This latter of course, is of great importance to us LDS artists. Can we be better artists the more righteous we are? Or, despite our best efforts, are we destined to be the subjects of Salieri, who self-identifies as the Patron Saint of Mediocrity? Shaffer is also well-known for several other plays based on historical realities but with which he takes considerable license: _Equus_, _The Royal Hunt of the Sun_. Shaffer uses history, but is not wedded to it. He'll invent characters to succeed dramatically; he'll ignore certain well-known events in a subject's life for dramatic purposes. To Shaffer, his characters, real people all, serve a theme greater than reality. Considering the awards and acclaim Peter Shaffer has received, I've got to believe he knows something about the proper relationship between history and drama which, if I understand him correctly, is not slavish adherence to historical fact over dramatic substance. - -- Thom Duncan - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:24:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Darlene Young Subject: [AML] Introductions: Darlene Young My name is Darlene Young. I have a degree in English and Humanities Teaching from BYU, and I am married to the kindest person and best listener I ever met, Roger Young, who just barely graduated from optometry school at UC Berkeley (anyone looking for a new optometrist?). Before moving on to my career in home and child management, I worked for a few years as a technical writer. My connection to Mormon Letters is mostly one of curiosity, which began in high school in Salt Lake City. There, I noticed that while almost all of my teachers were LDS, practically none of my English teachers were active. This fascinated me. Having always loved literature, especially the classics, and suspecting that I might someday teach English myself, I felt an affinity toward my English teachers. But why were most of them so turned off from the church? Is there something about literature that conflicts with the gospel? Or something about the study of literature that breeds the pride that leads to apostasy? Adding to my perplexity was the dearth (I thought) of thoughtful LDS fiction. (At the time, "LDS fiction" meant Jack Weyland and Shirley Sealey to me.) Luckily, in college I discovered Card, Whipple and other LDS writers who didn't fit my previous conception of LDS fiction. "Aah. There are LDS writers who don't dodge painful issues, whose characters wrestle with evil inside themselves, whose writing is filling like wheat bread and not just whipped cream." (Don't get me wrong! I like whipped cream, too!) Anyway, besides eagerly sampling all sorts of LDS and non-LDS fiction, lately I have been trying out myself as a writer and have been published here and there. I'm actually a better writer (or re-writer) of other people's ideas than creator of my own stories. (My dream job: editor at Signature!) And then when I finally do find a story idea that grips me, I have to be careful because I tend to ignore my beautiful little boys, Alex and Benjamin when I am writing. And they will not be ignored! (I still chuckle when I remember the picture of Rachel Nunes that appeared in Irreantum alongside her interview. There's her sweet baby in the baby swing, happily gazing off into space as Rachel works at the computer. Where can I get a baby like that?) Having recently moved back to Utah after spending four years in Berkeley, California, I am so glad to have discovered AML. Imagine, a ready-made group of people who love to discuss literature and ideas as much as I do! I only wish we could meet in person and talk up a storm weekly! ===== Darlene Young __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:52:10 -0600 From: Tom Matkin Subject: Re: [AML] Moral Issues in Art (was: History and Fiction) "Todd Robert Petersen (by way of Jonathan Langford )" wrote: > > > The ideal of consecration requires LDS people to dedicate our time and > talents to the building up of the kingdom. We who are committed to the idea > of Zion should be trembling a little as we write, wondering if we are living > up to it. At any rate, I worry about that all the time. > I agree with the way Todd has put this question. We ought to be aware of our covenants at all times and in respect to everything we do. And especially as it may relate to our talents or gifts. > This is a moral position. > > An hour painting sunflowers or an hour ministering to the sick? What would > Jesus do? Keeping in mind that answering rhetorical questions is foolish behaviour of the highest order. Here's my answer. I would speculate, and no one could probably ever know, but if Jesus had a gift for such things he would spend the hour painting sunflowers and then give the painting to a hospital to bless the sick. Or failing that, supposing that he was an artist by profession, he would use a significant amount of the profits from his sunflower exhibit to assist the sick and the needy. If he didn't paint the sunflowers he might run afoul of his lesson in the parable of the talents. What he would never do is say. "I'll do as I please because my decision is an artistic decision, not a moral decision." Tom - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:59:19 -0600 From: "Eric R. Samuelsen" Subject: [AML] Introductions: Eric Samuelsen Okay, since I'm now being called venerable and mighty by none other than = fellow Eric, that Snider fellow. . . . Eric Samuelsen. I'm a playwright, theatre historian and dramatic = theorist, teaching the same at BYU. Previously I taught at Wright State = University, after finishing a PhD at Indiana. I'm a native Hoosier, an = avid baseball fan, an exceptionally untalented actor, but a pretty fair = country playwright, if I have to say so myself. Married, with four = kidlings. My Dad's an opera singer. I'm an opinionated cuss, and hope = y'all will forgive me. =20 Eric Samuelsen - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 16:00:53 -0600 From: "Eric R. Samuelsen" Subject: Re: [AML] History and Fiction Jason wrote: >I agree very much with what Eric (via his post mentioning >Schiller) = is=20 >saying. >Finally. We agree. :) Hooray! Eric Samuelsen - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:56:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Ivan Angus Wolfe Subject: Re: [AML] History and Fiction Eric said: > Isn't that what we historians are trying to do? We know that our source = > documents are inadequate, and that the past is unknowable, and that our = > interpretations are biased. We know that we'll never know 'what really = > happened.' We just want to get as close as we can. > > So historians spent a lot of time talking about American history, for = > example, by focusing on the deeds of Presidents and politicians, while = > promoting the myth that America was the greatest country ever, a bastion = > of freedom and so on. Later historians chose to include the histories of = > women, slaves and native Americans, and inevitably came up with a picture = > that wasn't anywhere near as rosy. But both are in the same business; = > trying to use a finite number of sources to discover what the truth was. = > All histories are inadequate, of course, and some are also inaccurate. = > But we're still trying to figure out what really happened. We will always = > fail, but that's also okay, because the effort is itself valuable. > I try to think of the process of discovering history as a take on Zeno's paradox. As we open ourselves to more viewpoints (slaves, women AND the formerly used but still valid presidents, plus Indians, congressmen and tourists), we are always getting half the distance to the goal, never quite reaching it, but getting halfway there each step. So we can never discover ultimate causality. That is a rather obvious statement, since half the time my own motives are hidden to myself and when I try to reconstruct myself, I'm too full of self-spin doctoring to ever see what I really did. But by peeling away my layers, I'm fairly sure I can get close enough to my own motives to keep on existing and acting and responding to life. As Zeno's paradox implies, we can never truly reach our goal, but we can get infitesimaly close. When a writer chooses to blatantly ignore or go against anything well documented in history, it's a viable artistic choice, but as has been stated by others on the list, it carries baggage - sometimes a lot of baggage. If I choose to write a story with Joseph Smith as a lecherous, ignorant fool with no real charisma and merely the pawn of his brother Hyrum, I can choose to do that. But when LDS and non-LDS historians decry me and the public at large (LDS or non-) refuses to read the book, I have no recourse to complain. I would have made a bad choice that had too much baggage and flew in the face of any history we have. - --Ivan Wolfe - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: (No, or invalid, date.) From: "Marilyn & William Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] Introductions: John Bennion Yea, John! It was good to hear from you! We are looking forward with grea= t anticipation to FALLING TOWARD HEAVEN. I just want to say in no uncerta= in terms that we did not have "to recover" from John's presidency! Au con= traire! He was wonderful! In fact, he's still in charge of our Annual = Conference in February, so look forward to a great meeting. He was commit= ted, always kind. We called him "The Gentle Giant." We are having a bit = of a trouble now because Carol Ottesen was called to CHINA! (Which certai= nly isn't John's doing!) Also, Henry just had a new grand baby girl! So = he's in Virginia. We have some new help--Brandi Rainey and Michael Martin= dale! If there are any of you listers out there who would like to give = us a hand, please let us know! (We can't listen to papers, conduct writer= s' conferences, and give awards to YOU-ALL if nobody organizes it and put= s it all together.) Sincerely, Marilyn Brown - ---------- - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:50:20 EDT From: Derek1966@aol.com Subject: [AML] Latter-Day Foundation for the Arts Website I am sending out a plea to all my friends to help me launch my new Internet site for LDS Artists. The address is www.ldsartists.org. and it is now the homebase for Latter-day Foundation for the Arts. I've enclosed a news release that will show up in several Internet publications. Here's what I'm asking you to do: 1. Sign up -- it's free! 2. Go to the Members area. Click on Discussions. Add a discussion or reply to one. Then click on Announcements. Maybe you have or know of a new product or an event that should be announced. 3. PLEASE email your friends on your email list and tell them about the site. This is very grassroots and I need you help in getting the word out. This is NOT just for professional artists, but anyone with an art interest. Thanks so much for your help. Please let me know what you think. Some construction is still going on, but we are far enough along to announce the launch. We are making affiliations with several groups to provide them ongoing news about LDS arts. I appreciate your help! Larry Barkdull Here's the news release: New Internet Home Announced for LDS Artists! The Latter-day Foundation for the Arts, which has been in existence since 1990, has just launched its website for LDS arts enthusiasts: www.ldsartists.org. According to Larry Barkdull, foundation president, the website is intended to have a community feeling while allowing like-minded artists to come together and discuss topics of specific interest. Therefore, the site has Discussion areas for both general and community-related subjects. Likewise, members of the foundation can post news on events, product releases, etc. Members can correspond with each other, network, and share ideas. As you browse through the site, make special note of the PROJECTS section. Few people will be aware at just how active the foundation has been over the years in helping to beautify major LDS sites. In ABOUT LDFA, you can read the mission and philosophy statements. Under MANAGEMENT, you can read about the seasoned staff that have put this all together. In COMMUNITIES, a member can become a part of an art area that he loves. In MEMBERS, you can discuss, announce, correspond. Best of all, there are major benefits coming for members! Several major announcements coincide with this website's birth. Members will notice that ALMA (Associated Latter-day Media Artists) is now part of the foundation. ALMA was started in 1977 in Southern California as an association of LDS filmmakers, actors, and media people. Now that ALMA is folded into Latter-day Foundation for the Arts, we should be able to stay much more abreast at what is happening among fellow Latter-day Saints in the media arts. Another major announcement is the foundation's huge initiative in Nauvoo: The Nauvoo Legacy Gardens. Having just completed Phase I on this project, the foundation has begun to solicit donations for the beginning part of Phase II - -- Dee Jay Bawden's exquisite sculpture of the First Vision called, "Face to Face -- 1820." Once completed, the Nauvoo Legacy Gardens, located across the street from the Nauvoo Temple, will be a two-acre testimony in art of the Savior and the Prophet Joseph Smith. Barkdull says, "This is real grassroots. Word-of-mouth is how the foundation membership is growing. We need you help. Membership is free. Join. Send out an email to you list. This site is for anyone with an art interest, not just the professionals. Join in the discussions. Post arts news. Tell us what is happening in your area. The Internet makes the world a little smaller." - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: (No, or invalid, date.) From: "Marilyn & William Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] Moral Issues in Art Tom Matkin: You write about Jesus's sunflower exhibit, and I am cheering!= A more profound statement I can't imagine. Of course the problem is what= if it's not making any money? However, your statement, "He might run afoul of his lesson in the parable= of the talents" is just about the most central statement of the entire = construction! What if you CAN;T HELP IT! You just can't help but develop = your talents. It is your breath and your life? Then I guess "balance" is = the key word. But yes, time to develop talents is vital, life-giving time= . And anyone who doesn't allow themselves some precious time to grow in = these ways (or MAKE time to grow in these ways) may be fighting for breat= h. Marilyn Brown - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:20:15 -0400 From: "Eric D. Dixon" Subject: [AML] Introductions: Eric D. Dixon I may as well complete the series of introductions by the list's "Troika of Erics," this despite that I'm usually not much more than an apparition around here and haven't even had time to read almost any list traffic since early July. (I've been directing all the messages to their own folder, planning to get to them later -- I've stopped kidding myself that I'll ever get around to reading them all, but I still harbor a little hope that I'll figure out which threads are best and make my way through that stuff, at least.) I was born in Salt Lake City, but moved to Portland when I was one. I grew up an avid reader, and loved juvenile fantasy and SF, but have never had much of a taste for them as adult genres, with a few exceptions. Listmember Rex Goode was my scoutmaster for several years, and I first found out about this list from him. I've been on the list for almost five years; I first subscribed on October 6, 1995, if I recall correctly, just a few months after the list was formed. Although I post occasionally, I'm a lurker at heart, at least around here -- this is the first time I've formally introduced myself to the list during my five-year tenure. At the time I subscribed I was working as a lowly Daily Universe reporter at BYU, in the Lifestyles section. My beat included campus music (for some reason my editor had me write about a billion articles about the battle of the bands -- nice way to consistently fill space, I guess), and I went out of my way to write about just about every jazz performance that took place at BYU that semester (no journalistic bias here, I tell you what). A year later I got a job as the Lifestyles section editor (like another Eric D. (Snider, that is) later would), and found that my writing dropped off dramatically. That was, however, the first semester that editors helped maintain their sections on the Daily Universe web site (then newsline.byu.edu, now newsnet.byu.edu), and I learned enough from the experience to make a living out of it (I'm currently the webmaster for U.S. Term Limits in Washington, DC). (Vaguely interesting aside: my first post-BYU full-time job was as the webmaster for the Oregon Newspaper Publishers Association, whose executive director was LeRoy Yorgason, brother of BYU jazz professor & bass player Lars Yorgason, who I had taken an incredibly good jazz history class from, and whose performances I had written about more than a couple of times in the DU. None of us knew about the connection until after I was hired, though. Tenuous Mormon lit. connection: both of them are cousins of Blaine & Brent Yorgason.) I also spent the fall of 1996 as webmaster of the Student Review, during my last few months at BYU (I had spent my freshman year, '90-'91, working on their production staff), before both SR and the web site collapsed almost entirely (they've had a few gaspingly abortive resurrections since, which is hard to watch). Because of my experience on both papers, I felt qualified in some small way to review Bryan Waterman and Brian Kagel's book _The Lord's University_ (the authors were editors at the Student Review and the Daily Universe, respectively), which I did for the libertarian monthly _Liberty_ magazine (available at larger newsstands near you, particularly Borders and Barnes & Noble), where I'm a contributing editor. For the curious, the review is on one of my drastically incomplete websites (www.shrubwalkers.com), in the "Prose" section. I first becamse interested in Mormon literature when I was a kid. I'd read books, see films, and watch TV shows that included Judaism, Catholicism, Protestantism, etc., as ordinary characters in all kinds of genres, and wondered why Mormons weren't ever portrayed that way. I grew up in Portland, OR, outside of Happy Valley, where Mormons were a minority, sure, but we were also just ordinary people living in the world, living lives that had storytelling potential just like everyone else. I decided I wanted to be a writer while I was in high school, and this was always in the back of my mind -- how could I write about Mormon characters without doing Jack Weyland-type stuff? This was uncharted territory as far as I knew. While I was on my mission (Jacksonville, FL, 1/92-12/93), I noticed a copy of _Bright Angels and Familiars: Contemporary Mormon Stories_ (edited by Gene England) in the catalog for some Mormon bookstore in Florida. Fascinated by the description, I ordered a copy, and reading it was a revelation. Who knew that there were Mormons writing experimental fiction a la Donald Barthelme (Darrell Spencer's "I Am Buzz Gaulter, Left-Hander," from _Woman Packing a Pistol_)? Who knew that there was speculative fiction treating a specifically Mormon potential future (Orson Scott Card's "The Fringe," from _Folk of the Fringe_)? Who knew that Mormons were writing solid fiction that dealt with moral choices and ambiguity in a non-cloying way (something by Doug Thayer from _Under the Cottonwoods_). This was all news to me. Another powerful discovery: Brian Evenson's _Altmann's Tongue_, which was published after I had returned to BYU and remains a favorite to this day. I had hoped to arrange my schedule to take a class from him at some point, but he was sadly drummed off campus before I had a chance (better for him in the long run, probably, much worse for BYU). I don't know too many other listmembers personally, but there are a few connections. I took classes from Doug Thayer (creative writing), Susan Howe (fundamentals of literary interpretation), Gideon Burton (I forget the title -- something to do with rhetoric and argument construction), and long-absent former listmember Joe Staubhaar (journalism research methods). Eric Samuelson gave a guest lecture once in Alf Pratte's opinion writing class, with a good perspective on reviewing theatre (and he was sitting just a row ahead and a few seats to the right at my graduation). I have an aunt & uncle who know Gene England from their time working on the first few issues of Dialogue (and I've been to his house a couple of times -- once for a Student Review party hosted by his daughter Jane, once for a poetry reading). Ardis Parshall wrote the tremendously useful Retro-Link Associates style guide that I used when I worked there, and where I met her a few times. I met Morgan Adair once at a dinner gathering in SLC. I also have probably the longest-overdue review in the list's history. Not that I ever meant to set a record or anything. Eric D. Dixon "There is nothing less interesting than a fact unilliminated by a theory." -- Steven E. Landsburg - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #148 ******************************