From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #189 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Wednesday, November 8 2000 Volume 01 : Number 189 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 07:16:14 -0800 From: "lynn gardner" Subject: RE: [AML] Re: AML Writer's Conference Eric Snider wrote: > In other words, if people have been offended by my columns, they should see what I DON'T put it! Have you ever considered putting together a collection of these and publishing them for those of us who DO have a sense of humor? Lynn Gardner - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 07:55:46 -0800 (PST) From: Darlene Young Subject: [AML] Re: AML Writer's Conference D Michael said, "I just say what I'm thinking. Occasionally it's gotten me into trouble, but in almost every case when that happens, it's because the offended person makes no attempt to understand what I meant." It's so easy to say, "You were offended because you made no attempt to understand." But how do you know that they made no attempt? You know what you WANTED to communicate. Why is it necessarily the other person's fault if there was a failure to understand? Maybe you did a poor job of communicating. Or maybe it WAS an offensive thing you said (as if there were some absolute definition of "offensive" out there and everything ever said either IS or ISN'T. I see the ridiculousness of that). I just want to know how you judge when the "fault" of misunderstanding that leads to offense is on the head of the reader and when it is on the head of the speaker. It's not impossible, is it, that a speaker could truly be at fault? ===== Darlene Young __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: (No, or invalid, date.) From: "Marilyn & William Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] Utah Bulwer-Lytton Congratulations, Eric. I laughed alot! And by the way! Thank you SO MUCH for bringing those wonderful student = films to the conference Saturday. It is thrilling to see the talent that = is developing! Marilyn Brown - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: (No, or invalid, date.) From: "Marilyn & William Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] Florence Child BROWN, _I Cannot Tell a Life_ GREAT to read more about the I CANNOT TELL A LIFE book, Harlow! (And fun = to sit next to you at the writer's conference, although we didn't get to = talk. I have decided I am a writer, not a talker, after making wordless = attempts to host this conference--everyone did such a wonderful job that = words seemed unecessary). You will be happy to know that WINE DARK SEA OF GRASS will be a hard back= . Actually, I'm not publishing it. I am now an imprint at Cedar Fort, and= they liked it so well they are charging me nothing. (The purchaser a bun= dle, yes, but me nothing) But thank you so much, anyway, for your comment= s! And I am THRILLED that you have been digging into the material! (With = notes, yet!) This is great! I will be looking forward VERY MUCH to the = long-awaited review! (about the story, etc.). I don't think you should = feel apologetic, however. Take as long as you need. There is time. I stop= ped printing the book at 50 copies. And the next time I do it (if I do = it again) I will get a better binding. Thanks so much for being astute. Marilyn Brown - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:22:01 -0700 From: "Scott Tarbet" Subject: RE: [AML] MN Mormons Oppose "Godspell" It's certainly possible, and that's why I mentioned that we certainly don't know the whole story. There's a lot to it that didn't make the news and probably won't, now that those kids' 15 minutes of fame has passed. > -----Original Message----- > > Scott Tarbet wonders if the teacher, who dismissed the students with BoM's > on their desks, could be considered an offensive liberal zealot. I don't > know the details, but is it possible the kids could have been flaunting > their BoM's, trying to make a statement or trying to get a rise > out of their > teacher? > > Nan McCulloch - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:02:13 -0500 From: "Debra L. Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] MN Mormons Oppose "Godspell" Aren't there those who might argue that the BoM is fiction? But good grief, maybe they were just hoping to finish their Seminary reading assignment for that day. As long as they are reading, what does it matter if its fiction, non-fiction, or a comic book? Debbie Brown - ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Jackson To: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 12:33 AM Subject: [AML] MN Mormons Oppose "Godspell" > The teacher claims (in one article I read) that they were > only supposed to be reading "fiction". > - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:28:33 -0700 From: Deborah Wager Subject: [AML] AML Writers' Conference Here are my notes from the conference. I hope they will be useful to somebody besides myself. My notes are somewhat more sketchy than this in some places, so I filled in from memory. If I misquoted someone or left out a main point, I apologize. I hope others, especially those who attended different sessions, will post their notes too. Debbie Wager _Characterization and Dialog_ with John Bennion and Carol Lynch Williams They started by describing how they each started working on a story. Carol Lynch Williams said she usually uses an intense emotional experience (such as fear of family members dying in a plane crash) as a springboard for a story idea (such as a girl dealing with the death of family members in a plane crash). John Bennion talked about visualizing the relationships at the core of a story. He demonstrated a technique he said is used in theater where two actors hold opposite ends of a stick about a yard long while they move around to show the tension between them (they can't get too close or too far from each other). He also showed different arrangements of characters that might be in a story, such as a circle of men around a lone woman (he used this to represent the story of the woman taken in adultery) or a circle of women around a lone man (he wrote a story of a man whose adultery was found out, showing the townswomens' reaction to that). What different expectations and prejudices do these different configurations bring out? He recommended diagramming the relationships in the stories we write to help see where the tensions are. They then took turns reading passages from stories that showed strong characterization: _A Dance for Three_ by Louise Plummer _The True Colors of Caitlyn Jackson_ by Carol Lynch Williams "Midnight Raid," a short story in a book I didn't catch the title of, by Brady Udall (I think?) _The Burning Questions of Bingo Brown_ We were then asked to diagram the relationships in a story we were working on and to write some dialog between two of the characters (I'll spare you the gory details that follow in my written notes). A question was asked about whether the characters both had to be human. I missed the discussion that followed, but after the writing time was up John Bennion read a delightful passage he wrote just then in which a character sits his dogs in chairs and carries on conversations with people he knows using them as stand-ins. A question was asked about multiple-POV novels which was referred to Richard Hopkins and Shauna Nelson. Richard held up _Singled Out_ by Eric Samuelsen and said that it could be very effective and nice. Shauna said that it was very difficult to do well. ************* _LDS Fiction: What's the Next Phase?_ A panel discussion with Emily Watts (of Deseret Book/Bookcraft), Shauna Nelson (of Covenant), and Richard Hopkins (of Cornerstone) The introducer asked each of the panelists to give an opening statement describing what they saw as the future of LDS publishing and what type of fiction they would like to see. All responded that they saw a future of great growth for LDS fiction. Emily Watts (DB/BC) said she would love to see fiction that mirrors life and shows growth, such as _To Kill a Mockingbird_. She also talked about online fiction as a way of introducing new authors without having to incur a large overhead (at least I think that's what she said; my notes only say "online fiction" so I could be wrong here). Shauna Nelson (Covenant) described several current books from Covenant and summarized that she's looking for "real things [problems] that speak to real people." Richard Hopkins (Cornerstone) described several current books from Cornerstone and said he is looking for positive behavior by the main characters--more like the story of Joseph than stories of repentance. I didn't take notes on the questions from the audience but will recount what I remember. My apologies if I get things wrong. A question was asked regarding the size of niche markets within LDS literature, particularly the youth market. Emily Watts said that the 8-12 market was particularly difficult because children that age like to read what their friends are reading and that mostly that's not too objectionable (Harry Potter and Goosebumps were cited). The YA market is different and they eagerly seek YA novels. Shauna Nelson pointed to Covenants scriptural offerings for children, such as board books. Richard Hopkins waxed enthusiastic about the new LDS Girls series of books/paper dolls/website that is in the works at Cornerstone. A question was asked regarding the acceptability of multiple submissions (i.e., submitting the same manuscript to more than one publisher at the same time). All the editors agreed that courtesy required that an author notify them when a manuscript was also under consideration elsewhere. Emily Watts' reaction was shock that an author would want to do that to themselves, since she would need to evaluate that manuscript much more cursorily in order to make a quick decision. A question was asked regarding why there are no agents in the LDS publishing world. Richard Hopkins' response was, "You'd ask someone to live on ten percent of what *you* make?" Someone asked the panelists if they would differentiate their company from the others so make it easier to know which publisher would be most likely to accept his manuscript, or which he should submit to first. A great deal of time was spent refusing to answer this question, even after the introducer tried to offer the stereotypes of each publisher as a starting point. ******** Plenary Session with Dean Hughes Dean Hughes started by giving a little of his history and tracing his path to writing: He knew from his youth that he wanted to write and got a master's degree in Creative Writing. Then, thinking it would be more practical, he got a Ph.D. in Literature and taught for several years at BYU. After a while he decided that if he was going to write he would need to make a clean break, quit his job, and go for it. At that point, he says, he went from being an artist to being a businessman. He worried that his former colleagues looked down on him because he wrote "popular" fiction, but on the other hand he needed to live off his writing, now. He talked about how much he loves writing, the process, but how much he initially hates to sit down at the computer each day. He gave some advice: - -Start with what you can do, rather than trying to write for a pre-determined audience. Find your natural audience. - -Write the best you can within the parameters of the project. Example: He wrote several children's novels in a baseball series. There are guidelines for the series he needed to write within, such as to include lots of action rather than make it very character-based. But within those guidelines, write the best you can. - -On the topic of how much orthodoxy should be in your writing, he said there is too much preaching going on in fiction. Readers should never lose track of or be bored away from the story; they should always wonder what happens next. If you write from your values they are there. Don't try to use fiction as a missionary tool - -On why there aren't many LDS protagonists in the national market, he asked the question, "Do you look forward to reading the next Jehovah's Witness novel?" No, because you don't *trust* that it will be objective. Over the years he has repeatedly proposed books with LDS protagonists and been turned down, but he's now working on one that he feels was approved based on the trust he's built up over many years with this editor. - -Find the stories you have to tell and tell them. ********** _Plot and Structure_ with Dean Hughes Dean Hughes basically ran this session as a question and answer time. On switching POV: Multiple POVs all you to have multiple main plots (e.g., his Children of the Promise series). The danger is that you can lose readers who aren't interested in the plot you're switching to. Also, be sure when switching, be sure to switch all the way to the new POV and not add it to the old one. He starts plotting a book by brainstorming a character; write for a while about who the character is until you know her or him. Once you know the character ask, "What could happen?" "Then what?" and so on. He uses clustering (diagramming with circles connected by lines to show connections) as he goes. Then he discards some stuff, puts it in order and writes out a basic plot outline. He started using outlines when a new editor asked for one as a project proposal and he found it helped him write the story more easily. Now he uses them all the time. He asked Anita Stansfield to comment on her process and she said she does a lot of character exploration, then just starts writing. She later clarified that as she goes and she finds the plot building up in her brain that she has a file on her computer that she does a "head dump" into so she can keep on with what she's writing and refer to it as needed. More from Dean Hughes: - -Details are important. - -Characters change through the course of the plot. - -Understate emotion (let reader fill it in; it will be more powerful) but describe characters fully (physical description). - -Do general research before the outline, specific stuff after or while writing (e.g., how much did sugar cost in 1943?) to fill in the blanks. Sometimes what works best for the plot actually ends up being right! - -On resolution: Follow your instincts. - -Sometimes you have to cut off excess paragraphs or pages at the end or the beginning. - -Let someone else (spouse?) read it in the middle (3rd draft?) and also when it's almost finished (editor). - -Reading a scene out loud can help you find out if it works. On getting published: Stay after it. You get better if you keep writing. Have a mentor. A Writing group helps. But it's all about practice; find the time to write. If you're going to be a writer you have to write. Tenacity is more important than talent. He said several times during the hour that he doesn't have much talent, he just works hard. ******************* _How to Publish the Next LDS Blockbuster_ with Rachel Ann Nunes and Anita Stansfield Anita Stansfield: Appeal to readers' emotions. _The Christmas Box_ was successful because it touched a strong, common emotion. She gets ideas from listening to common themes she hears what other women say. Deal with real issues. Look at what's selling in big numbers. Appeal to the readers' value system. Write on a level the average reader can enjoy (6th grade level?) so they don't have to work at the book No matter how good the story is, if it's not written well they won't get it; learn the rules. Rachel Nunes: Affirm testimonies at the end of the book. Heros and heroines need to be human, with frailties and weaknesses, but also heroic (a little bigger than life), such as pray a little more than most people or have a little more faith. - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 01:50:17 -0700 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] MN Mormons Oppose "Godspell" David Hansen wrote: > For example, if Ogden High had chosen to perform the musical "Hair" instead of > "Godspell" would it have made a difference? Would the parents who complain be > intolerant for not wanting their children to remove their clothes on stage as > part of their public school's musical? What if they perform a play glorifying > the crucifixion as a justified end to a bad man? Or claiming that Joseph Smith > deserved to die? It should still be a personal choice. And if enough students personally choose not to participate, then the work couldn't be put on, and that might be a good indication that it wasn't such a good idea in the first place. But as far as I can tell, the people who objected to Godspell didn't even bother to consider whether reasonable people held a different opinion from them--they assumed what they thought is what everybody should think. That's intolerable. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: (No, or invalid, date.) From: "Marilyn & William Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] AML Writer's Conference I want to back this up! I agree, Darlene, and thanks for your message. = Michael did a fabulous job. And I wish he would give us a list of those = young people who did so much to help. I met Gordon Laws. He stuck to his = post and did so well! Who were the others I didn't get to meet? Thanks = to all! Marilyn Brown. - ---------- > Thanks, D Michael for a fabulous writer's conference! > I heard so many interesting things that I hope we'll > get to discuss here in the next few days, and I was > rejuvenated as a writer and a participant in this > exciting community. Good job! > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Darlene Young - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: (No, or invalid, date.) From: "Marilyn & William Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] MN Mormons Oppose "Godspell" Gae Lyn, this is a great "deconstruction" post, and I am so glad to see = it. We should have more of this kind of thing. Thank you! Marilyn Brown [snip] > > The term "offensive zealot" was orginally used in support of Eric > Samuelson's heartfelt post. However, if the woman in question was bein= g > directly addressed, I believe different language might be chosen. > > But I think Todd has an excellent point! I think there is a huge diffe= rence > between calling someone an "offensive zealot" and saying, "I disagree = with > you strongly for these reasons." [large snip] > > > Gae Lyn Henderson - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: (No, or invalid, date.) From: "Marilyn & William Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] AML Writer's Conference Darlene, are you going to write up a report? I think that's a great idea.= Unfortunately, our financial report (Brandi was FABULOUS, sticking right= by her post and watching everything for us!) wasn't so great, as I feare= d. We did have a deficit. (Could have been worse). I think Jonathan's rig= ht, that you should write up a little report. It was so good to see you = there! Thanks so much. It was an enjoyable time. Marilyn Brown - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:19:55 -0500 From: "Debra L. Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] AML Writers' Conference Did anyone attend the poetry session? I would love to see notes on that. Debbie Brown - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 21:57:12 -0800 From: "Ruth A. Starkman" Subject: RE: Re: [AML] Introductions: Ruth Starkman Thanks to all those who sent messages regarding Seagull books and tape in Oakland, CA! And thanks to Frank Maxwell who had suggestions for both SF and LA. - --Ruth Starkman - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 01:09:09 -0700 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: [AML] Re: AML Writer's Conference Darlene Young wrote: > It's so easy to say, "You were offended because you > made no attempt to understand." But how do you know > that they made no attempt? Because of an exchange of messages that follows where I try to explain my reasons for what I said, and they don't seem to be listening. If they seem to hear and understand, but still disagree, that's fine with me. But if I get the sense I'm talking to a brick wall, I start believing the brick wall is the problem, not my communication skills. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 08:17:08 -0800 (PST) From: Ruth Starkman Subject: [AML] Re: Introduction: Ruth Starkman Well, I'm glad, but as I said, I'm not quite sure what it means. I was very interested to read Deborah Wagner's report from the AML conference, esp. Dean Hughes remarks. If I learned anything from my efforts to publish fiction on a Mormon topic, it's that the NY publishing establishment while largely secular and uninterested in fiction aimed solely to promote faith among the flock, is not simply inward-looking and concerned with writing that reflects its own urbane circumstances. It is also most curious about other authentic American experiences, and this surely includes the Mormon experience (which could also be urbane if the writer chose so). Does this mean one's fiction has to offer a kind of anthropology of the Mormon experience? IMHO I would think so, but it doesn't have to be cold and thoroughly distant, it can be loving and faith-based, so long as it "rings true" (a phrase I heard a lot from agents and editors) in its assessment. This business of "ringing true," whatever it means in its respective contexts, is certainly open to debate. --Ruth Starkman On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, eedh wrote: > "the idea of a Mormon protagonist faced with challenges both within > himself and the > outside world is a great one. What a fascinating culture! " > > > > Ruth! > WOW!! I don't know if you realize how many of us are sitting and > staring at our screens, our hearts beating wildly. (At least I am.) > We're fascinating! They want us! This has got to be one of the great > inspirational posts on AML-list. Thank you! The race to the keyboards > is on! > > -Beth Hatch - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 12:31:24 -0700 From: Neal Kramer Subject: [AML] Topics for Satire (was: AML Writer's Conference) >Eric Snider wrote: >> In other words, if people have been offended by my columns, they should >see what I DON'T put it! > I wonder if Eric would be so kind as to offer a list of things that a sophisticated ironist, or even facile mocker, would consider serious or sacred enough not to mock? Neal Kramer - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:25:43 -0700 From: "Eric R. Samuelsen" Subject: [AML] "Mormon" in WILSON, _A Massive Swelling_ Hey, ya'll. Wanna read a good rant? Here's one I don't actually = recommend, though I enjoyed it very much. I just finished a new book called: A Massive Swelling: Celebrity Re-Examine= d As a Grotesque, Crippling Disease and Other Cultural Revelations by = Cintra Wilson. It is a diatribe, a rant, a jeremiad, a vitriolic all-out = assault on all contemporary popular culture. It's also brilliantly = written and very funny, and so relentlessly ad hominem I don't recommend = it at all. She's not at all moderate, she's extremely judgmental, and as = hip and funny and liberal and f-bomb-droppingly post-modern as Cintra (I = feel like we're on a first-name basis, so immediate is her prose) is, = she's also, I was astonished to finally suss, in the old-time anti-theatric= alist, Plato-to-Northbrooke-to-Collier-to-Medved tradition. We're = drowning in Hollywood filth. We're all being numbed by an obsessive quest = for celebrity. Celebrities themselves are uniformly self-obsessed, and = worse, untalented moral midgets. In a desperate quest for Celeb status, = women are turning into self-loathing masochists, fawningly agreeing to = their own objectification, even agreeing to invasive surgical techniques = in an effort to facilitate objectification. And men are all becoming = drug-glazed-over porn addicts. All pop culture, with only the rarest of = burned out exceptions, is corporatized and commodified and immoral and = obvious and vile. Yadayadayada.=20 It's just enough true to not be completely dismissable. I hold no brief = for Celine Dion, but I do think calling her 'the world's most repulsive = female,' as Cintra does, is a trifle, uh, harsh. At the same time, I do = think that an absurd quest for celebrity has unbalanced too many young = people, filling their heads with unhealthy dreams and unholy ambitions. I = think the quest for celebrity has destroyed lives; I've even seen it among = my students. Fair enough. Given my well-known objections to morally = (which becomes too easily judgmentally) based criticism, I'm very troubled = by Cintra's book. But it's an entertaining read, and of course, not = necessarily uniformly untrue. Here's what's really interesting, however. Amidst this entire rant, I = found the consistent use of the word 'Mormon' as an adjective. 'Mormon' = is used to imply a certain aesthetic stance which Cintra particularly = loathes. 'Mormon' artists, in Cintra's context, has nothing to do with = artists who happen to be Mormon. David Copperfield, Barry Manilow, Karen = Carpenter and Celine Dion are all referred to as objectionably 'Mormon.' = No, 'Mormon' means white bread, safe, namby-pamby, middle-brow, beige. = 'Mormon' means pop songs about troo luv. 'Mormon' means sit coms chock = full of Family Values. 'Mormon' means mind-numbing, dull, conformist art. = 'Mormon' may not mean Baywatch, but it does mean Touched by An Angel, = both of which are equally corrupt and false and inherently pornographic. = (Pornography, in Cintra's sense of it, means work which causes us to = wallow in untrue and unhealthy emotions, whether violent, sexual or = sentimental.) Okay, like her or not (and I like her very much, while holding her ideas = at arm's length), Cintra is, at the very least, a bright and perceptive = observer of the contemporary scene. She's anything but dumb, and she = knows a lot about a lot. And that's her perception of us. That's = 'Mormon' art, as far as she'd concerned. How far off is she? Not too far off, is my dismayed and distressed response. I mean, this = issue surely something we've raised a time or two on the List. We're not = a very edgy culture. And we don't much support our edgier artists. Look, I'm not going to get into the whole 'why does edgy mean good; isn't = there room for both kinds of art' thing. I agree that life has dark and = lighter shadings, and that art can and must reflect both. I have my likes = and dislikes. I prefer the Who to Barry Manilow. I also don't judge = those who have milder tastes. But can I tremulously suggest that there does not, in fact, exist a single = 'Mormon' aesthetic, and that work that is in fact dark and edgy and cruel = can actually reflect, in the deepest and most spiritual ways, the values = of Mormonism? And that among the many many things Cintra Wilson gets = wrong (and amidst the other things she surely gets right) is her use of = 'Mormon' to reflect a certain aesthetic found, to be sure, in Mormon = culture, but other places as well? Eric Samuelsen - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:08:54 -0500 From: "Debra L. Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] "Mormon" in WILSON, _A Massive Swelling_ uhhm I hate to appear ignorant, but who is Cintra Wilson? And does a dictionary or at least a vocabulary cheat sheet come with this rant? Debbie Brown - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #189 ******************************