From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #212 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Saturday, December 2 2000 Volume 01 : Number 212 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 23:19:27 +0900 From: "Andrew Hall" Subject: Re: [AML] Maureen Whipple

I'm glad to hear the Whipple biography is back on track.  Looking in the back of "Bright Angels and Familiars", I see that you (Veda) and Lavina Anderson were also working on a collection of unpublished stories by Whipple, tentatively called "Maurine Whipple: The Lost Works".  Those were the stories found (by you?) in Whipple's house soon before she passed away, right?  Are there any plans to publish those anytime soon?

Andrew Hall

- - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 23:27:16 +0900 From: "Andrew Hall" Subject: [AML] Re: References to Native Americans in Mormon Lit.
Michael Fillerup is probably the Mormon author who writes about Native Americans the most effectively and consistently.  About half of the stories in his collection "Visions" (Signauture, 1990) are set on the Indian reservations in the Southwest.  Several of his stories that have appeared since then in Dialogue and Sunstone have Native American settings as well, including "The Last Cod Talker" (Dialogue, 1999), which one an AML short-story prize.
- - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:25:41 -0800 (PST) From: Ruth Starkman Subject: Re: [AML] LAAKE, _Secret Ceremonies_ On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Alan Mitchell wrote: > > Thank you for your comments--I thought that may have come through the book. > The question of why the revenge on faith is not a question for those of us > who have read Church History. Why should a Laake surprise us? The best, > real Anti-Mormons are ExMormons and have been since the early days. > > Is this the case with Judaism? I have the impression that the best > Antisemites are northern European Nationists. Are there disgrunted Orthodox > who bite back? Or do they just find a more liberal flock? Yes, I think that's true, former members of the flock usually mount the most hair-raising attacks. Sometimes they demonize their faith, others they pursue it with the vengeance of a spurned lover. Laake did both. There are Jewish examples of demonizers and spurned lovers as well. Some of those Northern European anti-Semitic demonizers, Richard Wagner, for one, were of Jewish descent. Maybe Sigmund Freud counts in the spurned category (Moses and Monotheism??), there's others for sure. In general though, Jewish rebellion usually has more to do with being a minority culture and how Jews feel about their culture in relation to others. Some Jews choose assimilation or conversion, some go othe opposite route andjoin a more conservative sect. Mormons have an assimilation issue too, but that wasn't Laake's problem per se. Patriarchy is an issue for Jewish women, but it's much more ambiguous and confusing because there's a different approach in every sect. An orthodox man won't shake my hand, but in my Conservative synagogue, I'm allowed to become a Rabbi--and had even onced considered that path--though some Conservative members don't like seeing a woman read from the Torah. My Reform husband, who's from the supposedly most liberal sect, will do just about anything not to change a diaper... but this just goes to show that not every male POV has to do with one's religious institution :-) > > Did she have the same trials and tribulations as Jewish women? I'd had the > same questions myself. > > > And the answers? I guess the answer is no, we didn't get a lot answers from Laake, as her book wasn't about finding a place for the self within a religious community. But we were sad for her. In every faith, there's a Deboarh Laake, someone who can't fit in. - --Ruth Starkman - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:11:36 -0800 (PST) From: Ruth Starkman Subject: Re: [AML] LAAKE, _Secret Cermonies_ > > How about whiney? My impression was that she was > blaming all her problems with men/relationships on the > Church instead of accepting responsibility for them > herself. > > A shame that her book was (is still?) used by ASU in a > course exploring different contemporary religions from > the female perspective. > > Valerie Holladay This can actually be interesting and productive for students. Sometimes such texts show up on syllabus because they're the only ones available widely, or the only ones the instructor knows (this case would be a product of Laake's bestsellerdom as opposed to other voices), or perhaps because the instructor hopes it will provoke discussion. It can be good practice for college students to learn how dissect an ad hominem argument like Laake's and not to answer in kind. Laake denounces LDS patriarchy? A student demures? Great! The class will see both perspectives and the student can write a good argument. Though emotions can run high, the point is greater understanding. No one should take a book in class for face value. - --Ruth Starkman - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:11:39 From: "Eric D. Snider" Subject: RE: [AML] _Savior of the World_ (Drama) Scott Tarbet: > >So is SOTW good theatre, by a Broadway definition? Nope. It would close >out of town. Or get ridden out of town on a rail. Or something. Is it >good perfecting the Saints missionary work? Yep. Very. That's what the >patron wanted, and that's what the patron got. > The problem is that the church isn't touting this as a missionary tool or a method of perfecting the saints. They're calling it a theatrical production. I agree that you have to judge a work by what it is ... but what if the artist himself is incorrect about what it is? Do we judge "Savior of the World" by theater standards (which is what the church says it is), or do we judge it by make-the-audience-feel-fuzzy standards (which is what it actually is)? Eric D. Snider _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 12:40:46 -0700 From: Steve Subject: Re: [AML] _Savior of the World_ (Drama) on 11/30/00 4:21 PM, Scott Tarbet at starbet@timp.net wrote: > THE FORM: I think we need a new term for material like SOTW. Maybe > "devotional stage presentation" or something of the sort? Because it's not > really a pageant or a play, and content-wise we can't compare it to > Shakespeare or Broadway-style productions. But that doesn't mean it doesn't > have considerable merit of its own.... Scott, This is an excellent point. An "Oratorio," or "A Choral Celebration of______," or some other yet-to-be-coined term might hit the nail right on the head. I see the ads for the LDS Church's new "Christmas Musical" and have a certain expectation. There is a sort of quasi-cantata/oratorio genre emerging in the church right now. Lots of stake youth choirs and other groups are putting on Kenneth Cope's "Greater Than Us All," and "My Servant Joseph," and my own "From Cumorah's Hill," and others. They are not dramatic works, but musical works with some parts for readers or narrators. So far, we (Prime Recordings) have called these "a musical presentation on the Book of Mormon for soloists, chorus, and readers" or something to that effect. Steve - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:05:25 -0700 From: "Richard R. Hopkins" Subject: Re: [AML] Role of Inspiration in Art This story about the angelic chorus is an invention. Handel borrowed the Hallelujah chorus from an earlier opera. No tear stains on the manuscript either, unfortunately. Though, given his habits, he may have spilled a bit of whiskey there. Sorry, folks, but this is a nifty piece of folklore, on a par with George Washington's cherry tree. > > Eric Samuelsen I'm not so sure. I understand the manuscript has been/is on display in a museum, and that the splotches are clearly visable and that this is the explanation given there. I had this story from a very reliable and scholarly source (which I can't remember at this time :-)). I'll have to check into it. I've been surprised to find that not all such stories really are myths. Richard Hopkins - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:32:11 -0800 (PST) From: Kathleen Meredith Subject: Re: [AML] LAAKE, _Secret Cermonies_ "...then forgot it. . . until this discussion dredged some memories back. Of course I'm a male, but I gave the book to my wife, who read for almost an hour before she threw it the ground in disgust. I asked her what was wrong and she made some comment about swimming in self pity." Richard B. Johnson Don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to imply that I embrace Laake's message, just that the images created were quite vivid. If one is able to get past being defensive in regards to the anti-Mormon slant, she spins a pretty vivid and colorful yarn. The imagery of the clumsy wooing of her first husband. The icky priesthood leader with whom she has that terribly inappropriate interview, and who could forget the scene involving the car and the in-laws? Laake's talents, I feel lie in her ability to tell a story. She is lacking, however, in comprehending reality and the bigger picture. - -Kathleen Meredith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 14:38:04 -0700 From: Jacob Proffitt Subject: Re: [AML] Shaken Faith and Truth On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:55:46 -0700, Scott Tarbet wrote: >I agree with your point as far as it goes, that a story purporting to be >about the faith, the religious aspects of being a Mormon, needs to have = the >Gospel, God, and/or the Spirit in it. But it *is* possible, and I hope >something that we'll begin to see more of, for stories about Mormons to = be >about the way our unique subculture operates and the way it affects our >lives. Stories about Irish Catholics don't have to center on how and = when >they pray, and I don't think there is any reason ours have to either. = We >have a unique and interesting subculture, with tons of wonderful stories= to >be told. A story about Irish Catholics dealing with the death of a friend of their child should very well attempt to represent the faithful response to that death in the context of that story. Particularly if that story claims to represent the faithful Irish Catholic father. Don't get me wrong--I've never asked that the gospel, God, or the Spirit = be central to all our stories. I don't think it is too much to ask for it = to be *present* in those stories about faithful LDS people, though. Jacob Proffitt - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:29:48 EST From: Larry Jackson Subject: [AML] MN LDS Church, Tanners To Settle Lawsuit Over GHI: Salt Lake Tribune Salt Lake Tribune 1Dec00 N1 http://www.sltrib.com/12012000/utah/49481.htm <<<<< ] From: Kent Larsen To: Mormon News Subject: MN LDS Church, Tanners To Settle Lawsuit Over GHI: Salt Lake Tribune 1Dec00 N1 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:00:00 -0500 [From Mormon-News] LDS Church, Tanners To Settle Lawsuit Over GHI SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH -- The LDS Church and its long-time critics, Jerald and Sandra Tanner, are poised to settle the Church's lawsuit over the Tanner's publication of 17 pages of the General Handbook of Instructions (GHI) on their website. The Tanners, who run the Utah-based Utah Lighthouse Ministry, posted the GHI chapter on church discipline to their website in July 1999, to aid those trying to leave the LDS Church, and the Church sued to get the pages, and links to the GHI elsewhere, removed from the website. Now, the parties appear to be ready to settle the lawsuit. Attorneys for the LDS Church have drawn up a settlement agreement which requires the Tanners to destroy all copies of the GHI they have and remove links to and any mention of websites that contain the GHI. Under the agreement the LDS Church would drop the lawsuit and its claim for damages. The Tanners have signed the agreement, but the Church has not yet signed it. The Tanners say they are settling because the lawsuit distracts from their primary purpose. "We have entered into this settlement only to end unnecessary, prolonged and expensive litigation," Jerald Tanner said. His wife, Sandra added, "Our resources are better spent for their intended purpose: to examine the claims of the LDS Church and contrast those teachings with Christianity." They maintain that they did not violate the copyright law, but an LDS Church statement says that the Church maintains "its position -- as recognized by the federal court -- that the Tanners illegally published church copyrighted materials." After the LDS Church obtained an injunction last year forcing the Tanners to take the GHI material off their website, the Tanners then posted a reader's letter detailing other websites where the GHI could be obtained. This led to a new injunction requiring that they take the links off their website, claiming the links were contributing to the infringement of the Church's copyright. This injunction against links caused a controversy on the Internet, as free speech advocates attacked the injunction. The San Francisco-based Electronic Frontier Foundation was just one of many groups to attack the injuction, calling it a threat to the free exchange of ideas and information on the Internet. The Tanner's attorney, Brian Barnard, says he thinks the ruling about links was a mistake, "Judge Campbell's decision we think was a mistake and could have a broad influence on the Internet. Under the proposed agreement, the injunction would be vacated, and replaced by a permanent injunction that would keep the Tanners from posting the GHI or links to it on their website. Source: LDS Suit Nearing Settlement Salt Lake Tribune 1Dec00 N1 http://www.sltrib.com/12012000/utah/49481.htm By Ray Rivera: Special to the Tribune >From Mormon-News: Mormon News and Events Forwarding is permitted as long as this footer is included Mormon News items may not be posted to the World Wide Web sites without permission. Please link to our pages instead. For more information see http://www.MormonsToday.com/ Send join and remove commands to: majordomo@MormonsToday.com Put appropriate commands in body of the message: To join: subscribe mormon-news To leave: unsubscribe mormon-news To join digest: subscribe mormon-news-digest - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:29:48 EST From: Larry Jackson Subject: [AML] MN Railroad History Continues Advance On Bestseller Lists: Kent Larsen From: Kent Larsen To: Mormon News Subject: MN Railroad History Continues Advance On Bestseller Lists: Kent Larsen 30Nov00 A4 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:45:00 -0500 [From Mormon-News] Railroad History Continues Advance On Bestseller Lists NEW YORK, NEW YORK -- Stephen Ambrose's history of the construction of the transcontinental railroad, which tells about the involvement of Mormon pioneers in the project, continues rising on best seller lists in the US, while Richard Paul Evans' Carousel continues to drop. Unfortunately, the new paperback of Martha Beck's "Expecting Adam," which won an award last year from the Association for Mormon Letter's award, has dropped from the lists. Last week's new title, the pop-lit book about the recent season of MTV's "The Real World," which featured a Mormon, former BYU student Julie Stoffer, dropped on the few lists in which it appeared, but added the prestigious New York Times' Advice, How To and Miscellaneous list, probably a reflection of the delay in the Times' publication. The current titles on bestseller lists are: Nothing Like it in the World, by Stephen Ambrose A history of the building of the transcontinental railroad in the US. Ambrose, a highly regarded historian, details the involvement of Mormons in building crucial portions of the road, including the driving of the "golden spike" in the heart of Mormon territory. Currently on the following bestseller lists: This Last List 9 9 Amazon.com Non-Fiction Hardcover 19 23 Amazon.com 100 27 34 Barnes & Noble Top 100 10 11 BooksAMillion Non-Fiction Hardcover 5 3 Booksense (Nov 27) Non-Fiction Hardcover 5 6 Knight Ridder Non-Fiction 4 5 New York Times (Dec 3) Non-Fiction Hardcover 9 10 Publishers Weekly (Dec 4) Non-Fiction Hardcover 42 55 USA Today (Nov 26) 8 8 Wall Street Journal (Nov 24) Non-Fiction Hardcover 5 2 WordsWorth Independent Bookseller (Nov 28) Non-Fiction Hardcover See: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684846098/mormonnews More about Stephen E. Ambrose's "Nothing Like It in the World: The Men Who Built the Transcontinental Railroad" at Amazon.com The Carousel, by Richard Paul Evans LDS author Evans writes about the love between a man and a woman, which is tested by the demands of family and work. Currently on the following bestseller lists: This Last List 17 14 BooksAMillion Fiction Hardcover 14 11 Knight Ridder Fiction 15 14 New York Times (Dec 3) Fiction Hardcover 75 73 USA Today (Nov 26) See: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684868911/mormonnews More about Richard Paul Evans' "The Carousel" at Amazon.com The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, by Stephen R. Covey This ten-year-old personal management classic is still selling strongly. Currently on the following bestseller lists: This Last List 15 15 Amazon.com Non-Fiction Paperback 93 - Amazon.com 100 74 61 Barnes & Noble Top 100 141 125 USA Today (Nov 26) 5 ? Wall Street Journal (Nov 24) Business See: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671708635/mormonnews More about Stephen R. Covey's "Seven Habits of Highly Effective People" at Amazon.com MTV's The Real World: New Orleans Unmasked, by Alison Pollet Inside story of Mormon Julie Stoffer and the rest of the New Orleans cast. Currently on the following bestseller lists: This Last List 5 5 Amazon.com Non-Fiction Paperback 10 - New York Times (Dec 3) Advice, How To & Misc. 109 95 USA Today (Nov 26) See: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0743411277/mormonnews More about Alison Pollet's "MTV's The Real World: New Orleans Unmasked" at Amazon.com >From Mormon-News: Mormon News and Events Forwarding is permitted as long as this footer is included Mormon News items may not be posted to the World Wide Web sites without permission. Please link to our pages instead. For more information see http://www.MormonsToday.com/ Send join and remove commands to: majordomo@MormonsToday.com Put appropriate commands in body of the message: To join: subscribe mormon-news To leave: unsubscribe mormon-news To join digest: subscribe mormon-news-digest - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 19:46:20 -0700 From: LuAnnStaheli Subject: Re: [AML] _Savior of the World_ (Drama) - --------------D9E443579C994A3967950385 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also know the committee is pretty careful about what they approve. They= looked at a Seminary Film script that I wrote and rejected it because I = let the boy in modern times fall asleep during seminary and have a dream = which brought him to a testimony of Joseph Smith. Their response--no one = can be depicted as falling asleep in seminary (as if that doesn't happen,= just like no one every falls asleep on the stand during sacrement meetin= g.) Oh, well. I respect their direction in these matters. - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #212 ******************************