From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #230 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Friday, January 12 2001 Volume 01 : Number 230 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:05:01 -0700 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] Telepathy and Magic Your comment, Eric, reminds me of the three or four years the RS got the opportunity to study LITERATURE, (of all things) in their cultural lessons! Cracroft wrote the books--and I think Lambert helped. Anyway, that was one of my favorite times! Marilyn Brown - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:42:51 -0800 From: "Ruth A. Starkman" Subject: Re: [AML] Alan MITCHELL, _Angel of the Danube_ (Review) Glad to hear _Angel_ is selling well. I'm not surprised. It's a good, fun book. As for the missionary journal genre, it's definitely interesting to the non-member not only as an amalgam of coming-of-age story, spiritual journey and travel novel, but for the mission itself--something non-members can hardly imagine having done at 19 and 20, and are very curious about. Andrew Hall's comments also made me think that _Angel's_ depiction of the comraderie of the mission would be a big attraction for returned missionaries. - --Ruth Starkman - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:52:40 -0700 From: "Christopher Bigelow" Subject: Re: [AML] SODERBERGH, _Traffic_ (Movie) I saw "Traffic" over the weekend too. It's a phenomenal movie, quite = thought-provoking and stylistically mesmerizing, with terrific performances= . Some of the plot strands strain credulity a little at times, but the = strengths far outweigh the weaknesses. To me the U.S. war on drugs is a prime example of relying on the arm of = flesh, something that even religious people do all too often when trying = to resist sin and change behavior. Watching the film from that Mormon = point of view was quite interesting. The war on drugs seems to be = emphasizing all the wrong things. This movie made me think and feel much more than any I've seen in awhile. = Although it ends on a slightly up note, it is most definitely not = redemptive. Chris Bigelow - -------- For a sample copy of IRREANTUM, a Mormon literary quarterly, send $4 to = the Association for Mormon Letters, 262 S. Main St., Springville, UT = 84663. - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:30:26 GMT From: cgileadi@emerytelcom.net Subject: RE: [AML] Telepathy and Magic Nan asked, > Cathy, in your work as a healer, do you see the *sub-conscious mind* at > work? Yes, in fact, that's probably where most of the pertinent information for healing comes from. In the protocols I learned (from the Upledger Institute in Florida, founded by Dr. John Upledger, an osteopath that created the modern form of CranioSacral Therapy), there are specific techniques for accessing that information. It's serious and playful at the same time and if the person is ready and willing, it can be wonderful to see how it works. I don't know how the subconscious mind is specifically related to the spirit, but I do feel that our spirits know pretty much everything; we just need to find a way to access that info (sometimes dreams, sometimes other ways). Cathy Cathy Gileadi Wilson - --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:59:38 -0700 From: Jacob Proffitt Subject: Re: [AML] SODERBERGH, _Traffic_ (Movie) On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:15:57 -0800 (PST), R.W. Rasband wrote: >Just saw Steven Soderbergh's epic new film "Traffic", >which is about the war on drugs. In Utah Sen. Orrin >Hatch, a church member, has received criticism for his >cameo in the R-rated film; in fact, he has issued a >statement regretting his participation. He did? The quote I saw from him is that he was happy to be in it and doesn't regret it. Jacob Proffitt - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:48:16 -0800 (PST) From: "R.W. Rasband" Subject: Re: [AML] SODERBERGH, _Traffic_ (Movie) Also, if there was ever a movie about "secret combinations" whose object is "to murder and get gain", _Traffic_ is it. A chilling examination of human selfishness and the propensity of some to make a good living off the terrible suffering of others. - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:36:12 -0500 From: Richard Johnson Subject: [AML] Literature in Relief Society (was: Telepathy and Magic) At 09:05 AM 1/10/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Your comment, Eric, reminds me of the three or four years the RS got the >opportunity to study LITERATURE, (of all things) in their cultural lessons! >Cracroft wrote the books--and I think Lambert helped. Anyway, that was one >of my favorite times! Marilyn Brown > > >- >AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature >http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm Actually it was that way for many years, almost until the consolodated schedule began. When I was growing up, one of my favorite magazines was the _Relief Society Magazine_ becuase it contained a lot of neat stuff about literature. Richard B. Johnson Husband, Father, Grandfather, Puppeteer, Playwright, Writer, Director, Actor, Thingmaker, Mormon, Person, Fool I sometimes think that the last persona is the most important http://www2.gasou.edu/commarts/puppet/ Georgia Southern University Puppet Theatre - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:24:07 -0700 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] Telepathy and Magic mcnandon wrote: > After reading the book I > became convinced that Heavenly Father uses our sub-conscious mind as well as > WE use our own sub-conscious. Our subconscious mind seems to act like a data processing device (but with highly intuitive processing abilities that computers lack). It has no volition whatsoever, nor can it seem to make any value judgments on the relevance of one piece of data or another. All of those traits seem to reside in the conscious portion of our minds. From our point of view, it's as if we dump data into the subsconscious mind, which then works on that data in as mysterious a fashion as computers do to most people, then spits out results. I have wondered if the veil that is drawn over our minds actually divides our minds. After all, the knowledge and memories we have from the pre-existence must have gone somewhere. The entirety of our volition and value judgments resides on the mortal side of our minds, along with something like a _tabula rasa_ that we can write our earthly experiences on. Meanwhile, the rest of our eternal minds, the part where no conscious volition or ability to make value judgments resides, contains all the information from our former lives as well as amazing skills at data processing that we don't understand, all hidden from us behind the veil. Yet we seem to have some sort of connection between the two. We seem to be able to interact with that subconscious mind like a black box, not understanding it but being able to utilize its abilities in a way where we have very little control. If my speculation is correct, perhaps this conduit between our conscious and subconscious minds is the means of communication we have with the celestial realm and with God. God interacts with the subconscious portion of our minds remaining in his presence behind the veil, and that in turn passes the interaction along to our conscious minds in mortality. This would certainly explain why the state of mind called "being in tune with the Spirit" is so vital to communication with God: our minds themselves are the conduit to heaven. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:17:16 -0600 From: "Todd Robert Petersen" Subject: Re: [AML] Mormon Characters (was: CARD, _Lost Boys_) Regarding Terry Jeffress's comments on unity and authorial control of a story, Jonathan Langford wrote: > This theory of the story that Terry propounds is a common one--the notion > that every element of a story should be carefully crafted and meaningful, > under the author's control, contributing to the overall effect of the > story--but it's not the only possible theory of storytelling, nor do I > think it is the most persuasive theory. Then he discusses the ideas of Mikhail Bahktin to really good effect. An author is in "complete control" in the same way that a parent is in "complete control" of their children. Control in this sense is an illusion we often present to ourselves in order to believe that complete madness is NOT, in fact, ruling our lives. - -- Todd - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:19:34 -0700 From: "Eric R. Samuelsen" Subject: Re: [AML] BYU May Ban 'R' From Classes >On the heels of a vote by the Provo School Board to ban all >R-rated movies from schools, Brigham Young University is >considering adopting a similar policy for its classrooms.=20 >The timing of the two policies is purely coincidental, said >university spokeswoman Carri Jenkins. Now in draft form and >under review by department heads, BYU's policy has been in the >works for more than two years.=20 Thought some of you might be interested in an insider's perspective on = this one. Plus, I really really want to rant to good friends about this. = Forgive me in advance. We got a draft of the memo mentioned in this Trib article. The university = is trying to formulate a 'visual materials policy' which presumably would = involve any use of any visual materials in any class. Except that the = draft doesn't do that; it's about 90 percent aimed at film clips shown in = class. It's important to note that the draft of the policy we saw does = NOT ban R rated movies from classes. In fact, it says that we CAN show = clips from R-rated movies if we absolutely have to, while hedging that = permission with some truly astonishingly Pharasaic qualifications and = amendations. The draft of the proposed policy that we saw is an amazing document. I = mean, the 'visual materials policy' for BYU should be stated in two = sentences: "Professors can show anything they want to in class. Students = who disagree with a professor's choice of materials should follow = established university grievance procedures." That's what the policy = should be, and it's the de facto policy currently in place. It's also = what the de facto policy will be, no matter what document comes out of = that committee. But what we saw was this ten page monstrosity, full of misapplied = scripture and anecdotal material suggesting that anyone who would even = think of disturbing students by showing 'inappropriate' material in class = ought to be really really ashamed of themselves. My favorite was a story = from some professor in which he said that when he was in graduate school = he was asked to read a novel (unspecified) which he felt uncomfortable = with, and that he'd chosen not to read it, and although he'd failed the = class, he felt great about himself and glad he hadn't read it. =20 Well, bushwa. How about an anecdote from someone who was asked to read = something that really disturbed him, and who went ahead and read it, and = had a life-changing positive experience? Like what happened to me the = first time I was asked to read Nietzsche's Birth of Tragedy. Or how about = a testimony from someone who saw a film full of sexual and violent = imagery, who nonetheless had a deeply spiritual, life-and-faith affirming = experience? =20 Besides, the whole idea of such a policy document offends me. Does the = administration seriously imagine that we don't think carefully and = responsibly about the choices of material we show in the class? My film = colleagues are some of the most careful, conscientious, spiritual, = responsible people I know. Under no circumstances whatsoever would any = member of the faculty at BYU ever show a film intended to damage students = spiritually or hurt anyone's testimony or connection to the Holy Ghost. I = say that unequivocally. =20 Anyway, we all marked the thing up, and sent it back, and we'll have to = see what happens to it. One of two things will happen. First of all, the = document might come back saying, in essence, 'show anything you think is = appropriate or necessary.' If so, we're all fine. Second, the document may say 'you shouldn't show R-rated films.' We'll = ignore it, of course, because we have to; you cannot teach film responsibly= without showing at least clips from the most important and valuable films = that have been made. (And for the eight millionth time, I repeat: the = motion picture rating system is completely without value of any kind) You = cannot, for example, teach documentary filmmaking without showing = documentary films, and most of the best of them (and the ones that best = exemplify the principles of documentary filmmaking) have been rated R. = And then someday, some student will complain, not to the department but to = some General Authority his parents know or something. And a faculty = member will lose his/her job. And we'll have another big mess. In other words, we're going to continue to do our jobs. This document can = either give us some cover, or not. And all we can hope for is that it = does. =20 Eric Samuelsen =20 - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:40:22 -0700 From: "Thom Duncan" Subject: RE: [AML] SODERBERGH, _Traffic_ (Movie) > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:15:57 -0800 (PST), R.W. Rasband wrote: > > >Just saw Steven Soderbergh's epic new film "Traffic", > >which is about the war on drugs. In Utah Sen. Orrin > >Hatch, a church member, has received criticism for his > >cameo in the R-rated film; in fact, he has issued a > >statement regretting his participation. > > He did? The quote I saw from him is that he was happy to be in it and > doesn't regret it. > > Jacob Proffitt He claims he was told the movie would be no worse than a PG-13 and that's why he particpated. [Thom Duncan] - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #230 ******************************