From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #231 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Monday, January 15 2001 Volume 01 : Number 231 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:48:33 -0700 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] Telepathy and Magic Where was it that I read that Freud said it was the UNCONSCIOUS? Is there some way to tell the difference? Marilyn Brown - ----- Original Message ----- > Cathy, in your work as a healer, do you see the *sub-conscious mind* at > work? [snip] > > Nan McCulloch - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:56:23 -0700 From: "Thom Duncan" Subject: RE: [AML] BYU May Ban 'R' From Classes > Besides, the whole idea of such a policy document offends me. > Does the administration seriously imagine that we don't > think carefully and responsibly about the choices of material > we show in the class? My film colleagues are some of the > most careful, conscientious, spiritual, responsible people I > know. Under no circumstances whatsoever would any member of > the faculty at BYU ever show a film intended to damage > students spiritually or hurt anyone's testimony or connection > to the Holy Ghost. I say that unequivocally. Not only that, the "shocking" effect of certain movies can be greatly mitigated by the instructor. When you know why a filmmaker does something, and also how it is done, the shock of certain scenes can be lessened. I entered junior college at the age of 17, an art major. My first class, the year I turned 18, was life drawing. I remember thinking, How can I survive this? Drawing real live naked people. How can I concentrate? The day came. The model (and she was gorgeous) came out, dropped her robe. She was as naked as the day she was born. Instead of going into an extreme state of lust (as I had supposed), I found myself concentrating on how to draw her as well as I could. IOW, the possible erotic effect seeing her alone may have had was erased by, first being in a room where everyone else was fully clothed and we were concetrating on our incipient drawing skills. I remember being amazed. I had previously seen pictures of naked women in magazines and was certain I would react the same way in art class. It didn't happen. Seeing segments of R-rated films, even the "naughty" parts would be similarly de-activated with a skillful teacher. Pre- and post-film discussions would let students know what would be happening, why, and they would be looking at the film with critical eyes, instead of audience eyes. When you know, for instance, how the special effects guys make a head explode, you are never shocked thereafter (at least I'm not). You may be amazed (how DID they do that?) but never shocked. This idea that literature shouldn't disturb you is nonsense. Aren't the scriptures disturbing (at the same time that they are comforting) to sinners? Being disturbed can be a good thing, if it leads to the changing of a life. And don't get me started on what this proposed policy has to say about what BYU *really* thinks about the adulthood and spiritural maturity of its students. Thom - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:02:14 -0700 From: Jacob Proffitt Subject: Re: [AML] BYU May Ban 'R' From Classes On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:19:34 -0700, Eric R. Samuelsen wrote: >Well, bushwa. How about an anecdote from someone who was asked to read = something that really disturbed him, and who went ahead and read it, and = had a life-changing positive experience? This happened to me in my American Lit class. We read Leslie Silko's _Ceremony_. The professor warned us ahead of time that it would likely offend us and he offered an alternative if we wanted to--which I thought = was a perfect way to handle the issue (something probably not possible in a = film class, but it worked in Am Lit). Anyway, I read _Ceremony_. It wasn't = all that offensive, frankly, but I could see how it might have been to others (harsh language and really harsh situations). It was dark and tough to = get through. But I was rewarded with a very good and life-changing = definition of good and evil. One I am still working into my theology. It joins = _One Hundred Years of Solitude_ as a book I really need to re-read since I've graduated. Jacob Proffitt - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:05:48 -0700 From: Jacob Proffitt Subject: Re: [AML] Literature in Relief Society On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:36:12 -0500, Richard Johnson wrote: >Actually it was that way for many years, almost until the consolodated >schedule began. When I was growing up, one of my favorite magazines was >the _Relief Society Magazine_ becuase it contained a lot of neat stuff >about literature. >Richard B. Johnson I have begun collecting these. They are a gold mine of wonderful information about our past. They combine some really fine original work = by women with some interesting philosophical and literary analysis. They = look to me like they could constitute a kind of graduate degree for women. = I'm sad such quality material isn't available to LDS women today. Since I'm = by nature a computer geek, I've been toying with cataloging the ones I have. It's yet another task on my already impossible list of things I should do= if I get the time... Jacob Proffitt - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:28:28 -0700 From: "Eric D. Snider" Subject: Re: [AML] SODERBERGH, _Traffic_ (Movie) >On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:15:57 -0800 (PST), R.W. Rasband wrote: > >>Just saw Steven Soderbergh's epic new film "Traffic", >>which is about the war on drugs. In Utah Sen. Orrin >>Hatch, a church member, has received criticism for his >>cameo in the R-rated film; in fact, he has issued a >>statement regretting his participation. > >He did? The quote I saw from him is that he was happy to be in it and >doesn't regret it. > Yeah, he made several statements to the effect that he thought it was a good movie with some thought-provoking ideas. If he issued a statement regretting his participation, I have yet to see a newspaper report that fact. Eric D. Snider - -- *************************************************** Eric D. Snider www.ericdsnider.com "Filling all your Eric D. Snider needs since 1974." - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 00:28:07 -0700 From: "mcnandon" Subject: RE: [AML] Telepathy and Magic Michael, I liked your comments. I have read that the subconscious has no *conscience.* Because of this, I have wondered why we feel uncomfortable or guilty when we misbehave in our dreams. Nan McCulloch - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:04:57 -0700 From: "Gae Lyn Henderson" Subject: RE: [AML] Editorial: Micro-Politics and Power Structures Eric: > I judge the success or failure of my GD lessons on how many women > participate. Maybe this is sexist of me, but my experience is > that women are interested in a discussion of how the scriptures > help us with our everyday lives; in how this passage of scripture > helps me become more charitable or forgiving, or how I can > improve my family relationships through applying this scripture. > And men are often more interested in some sort of esoteric > discussion, like how such and such proves the truthfulness of the > Book of Mormon or something. I prefer the comments of the > sisters in the class, and prefer to call on women if I have a > choice in the matter. And I've reached a point where > participation is about 60-40 female to male, and my class tends > to be SRO; they've had to move us to a bigger room, and now it's > packed too. I don't know that I'm anything special as a teacher, > but we do have some lively and wonderful discussions in there, > and it's sort of the highlight of my week. Are there any houses for sale in your ward? I need addresses. Gae Lyn Henderson - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:21:11 -0700 From: "Thom Duncan" Subject: RE: [AML] Telepathy and Magic Jung was the proponent of the unconcious. Thom > -----Original Message----- > > Where was it that I read that Freud said it was the > UNCONSCIOUS? Is there > some way to tell the difference? Marilyn Brown > - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:34:00 -0700 (MST) From: Ivan Angus Wolfe Subject: RE: [AML] BYU May Ban 'R' From Classes > > And don't get me started on what this proposed policy has to say about what > BYU *really* thinks about the adulthood and spiritural maturity of its > students. > > Thom Duncan I just talked with a member of the comittie, and if the majority (all but one person) of the comittie had had there way - the policy would be very open-ended and liberal. But the chair (now retired - so changes will most likely come) inisted on preparing a statement that was more of a sermon on the evils of media rather than a statement on media usage. The committie was forced to integrate that into their more "liberal" policy, so the document comes across as something of a disjointed hybrid. The person I talked to was responsible for actually writing the final draft and she tried to make it as seamless as possible, but when you have two very different documents that must be melded, it is going to come out ambiguous and open to interpretation by whoever wants to be the most offended. Give them more credit - the media committie is made up of real people making real decisions - we shouldn't treat them like some monolithic entity that can be easily discarded because they aren't real people. - --Ivan Wolfe - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:39:41 -0700 From: Melissa Proffitt Subject: Re: [AML] Literature in Relief Society On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:05:48 -0700, Jacob Proffitt wrote: >I have begun collecting these [RS Magazine]. They are a gold mine of = wonderful >information about our past. They combine some really fine original work= by >women with some interesting philosophical and literary analysis. They = look >to me like they could constitute a kind of graduate degree for women. = I'm >sad such quality material isn't available to LDS women today. Speaking of which, can anyone tell me a) how long the magazine was in publication and/or b) how many issues in total we're looking at? We inherited a bundle of them from my great-grandmother, and got more when = our church library cleaned out its shelves. But I don't know how complete a collection it is. > Since I'm by >nature a computer geek, I've been toying with cataloging the ones I = have. >It's yet another task on my already impossible list of things I should = do if >I get the time... Don't get me started on *that*. If it's true that the shoemaker's = children go barefoot, it's even more true that the database programmer's wife has = no book database.... :) Melissa Proffitt - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:17:42 -0700 From: Jacob Proffitt Subject: Re: [AML] Telepathy and Magic On Thu, 2 Jan 1997 00:28:07 -0700, mcnandon wrote: >Michael, I liked your comments. I have read that the subconscious has = no >*conscience.* Because of this, I have wondered why we feel = uncomfortable or >guilty when we misbehave in our dreams. Training. Jacob Proffitt - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #231 ******************************