From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #310 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Monday, April 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 310 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:57:20 -0600 From: Steve Subject: [AML] Favorite Moments in LDS Lit. Hi All, If I left you in a room with your three favorite pieces of LDS Lit. and gave you 5-10 min with each title, which scene(s) would you choose to reread? A favorite line? Favorite character? Or is it a descriptive passage? Dialogue? A pivotal plot moment? Best recipe for funeral potatos used allegorically for the plan of salvation? So share already. C'mon, enquiring minds want to know! Give us a short quote if possible, or a short description of the scene/moment/whatever, and WHY you like it enough to choose to reread it. I know it would be polite for me to go first, but I this just occured to me and I need to think a bit. Thanks in advance to all you good sports who play along. Steve ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Steven Kapp Perry, songwriter and playwright http://www.stevenkappperry.com http://www.playwrightscircle.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:20:31 -0600 From: "Sharlee Glenn" Subject: [AML] Re: THAYER, _In the Mind's Eye_ Thank you, Donlu, for taking the time to respond to our questions. And thanks, Margaret, for forwarding her response to the list. I was surprised to learn that Donlu regrets having published _In the Mind's Eye_. I thought it was quite wonderful. I'm delighted to hear that there is another Minnetonka novel in the works. Law school!? Why are we losing all our best women writers to law school? First Tessa and now Donlu. Hmmmm . . . . Margaret and Marilyn, please tell me that you don't have plans to take the LSAT anytime soon! Sharlee Glenn glennsj@inet-1.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:16:58 -0700 From: "Frank Maxwell" Subject: Re: [AML] Books to Read Tracie wrote: > I went to our local church bookstore today to get gifts for my seminary > teachers. And, surprise, it is either going out of business or changing > ownership-still not sure which. So, they have everything on sale 50% off. > I was able to get a lot more books than I would have at full price. (Sorry, > I know the authors don't benefit from sales like these.) In what city do you live, Tracie, and what is the name of the bookstore in question? This might be relevant to the other thread of Mormon book marketing. Frank Maxwell - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:16:47 -0600 From: Scott and Marny Parkin Subject: Re: [AML] BECK, _Expecting Adam_ (Review) Thom Duncan wrote: >Perhaps you over-estimate the power of the "one" person. Dozens of >Joseph's contemporary nay-sayers have harmed his reputation very little. They've harmed his reputation very little within the circles that you tread, but I suspect there are other circles where their words are held with the same esteem that his supporters' words are held within faithful Mormon circles. That's part of why I think it's not only okay to respond (politely, not with a diatribe) with the intent of offering a different view of events. Unrefuted claims will tend to be taken as true unless challenged by other, authoritative voices. Besides, it does our own souls good to testify even to small truths--whether anyone accepts or believes that little testament. Scott Parkin - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:01:10 -0500 From: Larry Jackson Subject: [AML] DUTCHER, _Brigham City_ I have Rob's permission to forward this post from another list to the AML List. Larry Jackson _____ Begin message _____ From: Rob Williams Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:49:59 -0700 Subject: Impressions of "Brigham City" While in Portland, Oregon this last weekend I took the chance to go see the murder mystery film "Brigham City" by LDS writer/director/actor Richard Dutcher. I must admit I was extremely impressed by what I saw. So much in cinema nowadays you have extremely tense drama that leaves you with a hopeless feeling--almost as if they were saying there is no God. Not so with Brigham City. The film deserves it's PG-13 rating, as the action and suspicion are racheted ever higher. But nowhere do you hear a cuss word, or see graphic scenes. In those instances where the bodies of victims must be shown, they are displayed at a comfortable distance. The movie is liberally spiced with common LDS scenes such as a sacrament meeting, bishopric's meeting, Gospel Doctrine class, personal prayers and even a baptismal service. These serve to balance the movie and let the viewer know that no matter how bad things become, God is still there. Dutcher plays Sheriff Wes Clayton, and is also bishop of one of the local wards in the town. As sheriff, he must consider everyone a suspect in the serial killings sweeping the town. As bishop, he has to be their spiritual support. The two jobs don't always mix well, and the human drama of how he realistically deals with this conflict makes for good theater. I think the closing scene in the movie is worth two or three times the price of admission alone. Nowhere have I seen such a profoundly moving scene filmed on the healing power of the atonement. Be sure and keep some kleenex handy for this last shot; it's been a long time since I freely cried like a baby in a theater because of pure empathy. It rose majestically to noble heights. And for a picture intended for a mass market audience, this scene alone will be sure to generate quite a number of inquiries amongst the honest in heart. I HIGHLY recommend seeing this film when it comes to your area. And if it never does, buy a copy of it on video. Based on everything I've seen here, Dutcher's next project on the life of Joseph Smith will probably become one of the greatest religious films since Fiddler on the Roof. Rob Williams Ashland, Oregon _____ End message _____ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:39:34 -0400 From: "Debra L. Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] THAYER, _In the Mind's Eye_ Maybe its because some of the most creative writing takes place in a closing argument? And on top of it, you're well paid and there is no editor looking over your shoulder! Debbie Brown > Law school!? Why are we losing all our best women writers to law school? > First Tessa and now Donlu. Hmmmm . . . . > Margaret and Marilyn, please tell me that you don't have plans to take the > LSAT anytime soon! > Sharlee Glenn - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:36:29 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] THAYER, _In the Mind's Eye_ You lost me, Sharlee. Is the LSAT one of those chair things you take to the football game? Love, The Mind in the Past Century, Marilyn Brown - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:30:49 -0400 From: "Tracie Laulusa" Subject: RE: [AML] Books to Read Columbus, Ohio. Abinidi Books. I just tried calling to see what happened and no one answered. But their answering machine said they were going through the legalities of an ownership change, would be closed for a time, but then back up and running. Tracie - -----Original Message----- In what city do you live, Tracie, and what is the name of the bookstore in question? This might be relevant to the other thread of Mormon book marketing. Frank Maxwell - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:08:45 -0600 From: Margaret Young Subject: [AML] Church Problems in Lit (was: BECK, _Expecting Adam_) Serious question in this vein: One of my good friends is struggling with the fact that Joseph Smith gave different versions of the First Vision. Since my first husband was deeply into anti-Mormonism, I am very familiar with all of that--and much, much more. I have been hesitant to enter into debate with her. I've seen LDS historians' responses to the different versions, and I can easily give them to her, but I know anti-Mormon literature well enough to understand that one question leads to the next. I believe that the debate can be endless. I've mentioned this friend on the list before, and my sense is that she wants to leave the church for other reasons, and is finding reasons for leaving via anti-Mormon literature. As of now, I have mostly expressed my love for her and not entered into the fray. I believe the Spirit is the answer, and many questions become pretty irrelevant when one is firmly grounded in faith (which is not an oxymoron). To make this relevant to the list, I'll add that the Black pioneers Darius and I write about had to swallow some REALLY big pills to stay Mormon--and much of what they were told about their race and eternal lineage/destiny were the philosophies of men which had nothing to do with the truth. Nonetheless, they remained faithful Latter-day Saints. Remarkable. Their descendants, however, did not. A testimony is not something you can bequeath like money. As my brother says, "There's no such thing as a GOOD recycled religion." So the question is, how do y'all deal with struggling friends? Have you found LITERATURE for or against Joseph Smith to be valuable, or merely a continuation of a long, maybe endless dialogue? Has anyone been HELPED by an explanation someone has of a Church problem? (And be careful on this one. Darius and I did a fireside recently wherein an older sister announced that a black man had explained to her that blacks hadn't EARNED the priesthood before 1978. She believed it. It's a frightening thing when someone gets satisfaction and comfort in believing a lie.) [Margaret Young] Scott and Marny Parkin wrote: > Thom Duncan wrote: > > >Perhaps you over-estimate the power of the "one" person. Dozens of > >Joseph's contemporary nay-sayers have harmed his reputation very little. > > They've harmed his reputation very little within the circles that you > tread, but I suspect there are other circles where their words are > held with the same esteem that his supporters' words are held within > faithful Mormon circles. > > That's part of why I think it's not only okay to respond (politely, > not with a diatribe) with the intent of offering a different view of > events. Unrefuted claims will tend to be taken as true unless > challenged by other, authoritative voices. > > Besides, it does our own souls good to testify even to small > truths--whether anyone accepts or believes that little testament. > > Scott Parkin - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 07:58:17 +1000 From: Helena Chester Subject: Re: [AML] Church Problems in Lit (was: BECK, _Expecting Adam_) Margaret Young wrote: > > So the question is, how do y'all deal with struggling friends? Have you found LITERATURE for or > against Joseph Smith to be valuable, or merely a continuation of a long, > maybe endless dialogue? Has anyone been HELPED by an explanation someone has > of a Church problem? (And be careful on this one. Darius and I did a > fireside recently wherein an older sister announced that a black man had > explained to her that blacks hadn't EARNED the priesthood before 1978. She > believed it. It's a frightening thing when someone gets satisfaction and > comfort in believing a lie.) > > [Margaret Young] > > I have a new convert friend who is on the verge of leaving, and I don't think any arguments or apologetics would help. I think if people do not find the church intrinsically motivating or the fellowship satisfying, apologetics are not much use. (especially if they do not believe this church to be the "only true church on the face of the earth.) My approach is to tell her how much I love the church and why, but to assure her that her choice will in no way affect our friendship. I don't feel a burden to keep her in the church- I believe in free agency, even though I feel sad that she hasn't come to appreciate the good things about the church that I have experienced. Helena - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #310 ******************************