From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #407 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Friday, July 27 2001 Volume 01 : Number 407 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:30:39 -0600 From: "Gae Lyn Henderson" Subject: RE: [AML] Mission of Mormon Letters? I have to agree Alan. I admire writers that risk doing cultural critique, that feel a mission to change the world, that write because they feel compelled to try and make a difference. In response to your words below, I want to share one anectdote. I was talking to a student at BYU who was in an advanced degree program in counseling. He told me that Levi Peterson's stories helped him in working with his Mormon clients more than any of the theory he was studying in school. His comment was one reason I decided to do my master's degree in English rather than in psychology or sociology. As the mother of six sons, ages 14-26, I find Peterson's work to also be revelatory in exposing the intenstity of the sexual feelings that young (and old) males (and females) go through, and the (somtimes tortured) internal conflict that can create in a rigorously strict religious belief system and culture. Gae Lyn Henderson (who tries to fit her 6 sons into every post if possible) > > Disturbing the Perfect Saints. Although I don't relate to much of Levi > Peterson's writing, I think the short story, "The Christening of Cobern > Heights," is a beautiful example of this point. The difficulty > comes because > the perfect saints are not likely to read Levi. The question becomes: How > can Gerald Lund do this in a nice (correlated) way? > > Disclaimer: by "Perfect Saints" I mean those of us striving for perfection > and need the occasional kick upside the head. > > Alan Mitchell - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:31:41 -0600 From: "Gae Lyn Henderson" Subject: RE: [AML] Sex in Literature > I must disagree strenuously. First of all, that wasn't just > "explicit," it > was practically pornography. It was so incredibly graphic that I was > completely shocked to see it in mainstream movie. Who saw > Jerry's face in > that shocking flash of flesh? There were plenty of other things > that serve > as a baseline for Jerry's character and even if you really really > wanted to > show his great resignation during sex there was no real need to get that > graphic. It took me out of the story completely. > > Marianne Hales Harding I saw the Utah County "Clean Flicks" version. No sex at all in the movie. Quite a number of bleeped words. A great story about materistic versus personal values. I suspect that many AML listers might feel such external cutting defiles the sacred realm of authorship and artistic vision. Maybe I ought to argue that myself, after all I'm an English teacher and I just posted something about the sexuality in Levi Peterson's work being morally valuable. BUT, because it is Wednesday, and as the mother of six sons, I sometimes put on my conservative Mormon mother persona and go for the edited version. In fact I wouldn't have seen it otherwise. Now why do I do that? Training and lots of church talks? Am I more afraid of visual representations of sex than written ones? Do I really think I can protect my kids in this age of computer-available everything? Do I have a split personality because of my culture? I love to read Eric Samuelson's liberatory vision of see no evil in art. Why am I such a wimp about it myself? Or am I just not (completely) corrupted yet? Gae Lyn Henderson - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:22:43 -0600 From: "Marianne Hales Harding" Subject: Re: [AML] Harding Play Staged Reading >I am looking forward to it. Her play is "Next Rest Stop 78 Miles" > >Eileen Stringer >eileens99@bigplanet.com I'm working on it even as we speak :-) I hope you'll get to see my work often at Utah Shakes--and I look forward to meeting an AML-er there. I'll be at the readings on Aug 16th and 17th and I would love it if any of the AML-listers in the area would come out. It's not an overtly Mormon play, but it had the good fortune to have an overtly Mormon playwright :-) Marianne Hales Harding _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:44:39 -0700 (PDT) From: William Morris Subject: Re: [AML] Mission of Mormon Letters? - --- Terry L Jeffress wrote: > I don't think any of these "Should we?" questions > really help us > define the true and correct directions of Mormon > literature, mainly > because Mormon literature doesn't really have a true > and correct > direction as a whole, on a true and correct > direction for individual > authors and readers. > This sentiment--that nobody should be saying what authors should be writing--seems to be fairly widespread among Mormon writers and critics. I agree that no one person can command the direction of Mormon literature, and that the laissez faire approach makes sense, especially in a culture that has very discriminating tastes in art (in both the negative and positive sense), but I think raising the 'should' kind of questions are important for Mormon artists to consider on a personal creative level. I'm not convinced that letting the muse runs its course is always the best idea---which leads me to the next section below: > Although this sounds like the broken record > (skipping CD?) of writing > advice, you write what feels right to you for the > story you want to > tell. I don't think that we should set out to write > stories that have > real Mormons as characters unless that character > makes sense in your > story. I think I understand this idea. I've certainly heard it from fiction writers of all colors and persuasions. In almost every author interview I've ever read/heard, the author says something like: "This character sat down and spoke to me. She even surprised me in places, taking me to places I hadn't anticipated, even resisting some of the directions I was trying to take her in." I've been in the flow. I know that when you start over-thinking things, it doesn't work. I've felt those details, those words, those actions well up from someplace deep in my mind (not that my mind is the marianis trench or anything). I understand that trying to force an ideological-based slant breaks up the flow, kills the narrative, turns the writing from elegant to stilted. And yet I still don't like the idea that this all justifies the final narrative---that somehow there isn't choice involved. Now I'm not saying that authors give themselves over to some evil muse that subverts their moral center. I don't believe that writers channel evil (or at least most don't). And I understand that one can write about evil, depict sin, and still be a moral person. And I agree that readers need to focus on the complete story and not obssess over 'distasteful' details. So where does this leave me? I'm not sure. I think what I'm struggling with is this idea about being true to the story. Terry says above that "you have to write what feels right to you for the story you want to tell." Don't we, to some extent, choose what feels right to us? That said, I'm not sure how we make those choices---it's probably not something we can completely control because it's the amalgam of our physical, spiritual, and reading experiences (which often overlap), but don't we still make choices about what influences we absorb and what projects we decide to pursue? Now this is not fair to Terry because I'm using his quote in a way he probably didn't mean. Judging from the rest of his post, he's simply making the point that you can't force Mormon-ness on a story that resists it i.e. his historical fiction example. Plus he makes the point that Mormon literature can express the Mormon point of view without employing Mormon characters. But still I ask, do we not choose our muse? Has anyone actually said, wait a minute, I'm not sure that the form/content/plot/voice of this story is taking me in a direction I'm comfortable (comfort on a moral not aesthetic level) with? Can one choose to temper the demands of high-brow aesthetics or genre expectations and still write something that's not horribly didactic? Actually, all literature is didactic in my book. 'L'iterature teaches us that ambiguity and form are paramount. I don't necessarily dispute that agenda, just like I don't dispute the agendas (the demands) of genre fiction. I enjoy reading both. And I like good writing. But I sometimes ask myself what I'm giving up by giving into the demands of a certain form, a certain story, and I wonder if there are alternatives. That's probably why I'm still a weak writer of fiction. Well this post is way too abstract and self-indulgent, but I still think we should ask ourselves "should we?" sometimes. I like the idea of a diverse Mormon literature, but I also would like to see a Mormon literature that resists more often the dominant ways of writing. Yes, many attempts by 'minor' literatures to do just that have failed, but the possibilities still intrigue me. ~~William Morris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:31:25 -0400 From: "Debra L. Brown" Subject: [AML] MN New Products: Classic Books Reissued, Edgar Mint Gets Critical Praise: Kent Larsen 25Jul01 US NY NYC A4 Classic Books Reissued, Edgar Mint Gets Critical Praise NEW YORK, NEW YORK -- This week's new books include two classics that have been reissued, and a new novel that is winning national critical praise. Dean Jessee's "Personal Writings of Joseph Smith" and B. H. Roberts' "Mormon Battalion" have both been reissued in new editions from LDS publishers, while two new books, Lewis B. Horne's collection of short stories and Brady Udall's novel, "The Miracle Life of Edgar Mint" are likely to gain crtical praise, already seen in the case of Udall's "Edgar Mint." New and recent products: Personal Writings of Joseph Smith, edited by Dean C. Jessee Deseret Book Book; LDS Publisher; Non-fiction; Mormon Author $27.95 New (second) edition of this compilation of Joseph Smith's diaries and journals. Mormon Battalion by B. H. Roberts Maasai Publishing Book; LDS Publisher; Non-Fiction; Mormon Author and Subject $11.95 New edition of B. H. Robert's classic account of the trek of the Mormon Battalion's 2,000-mile march from Winter Quarters through Colorado and Arizona to California and the Pacific. Out of print since the original edition was published in 1919. The House of James and Other Stories by Lewis B. Horne Signature Books Book; LDS Publisher; Fiction; Mormon Author and Subject $14.95 Horne writes stories about common people who are finding their way through life. In one, James, a new convert to Mormonism, is asked by his bishop to rent a room to an ex-covict. In another, Fred watches helplessly as his high school sweetheart chooses between him and a new life back east. But while the author doesn't give all the answers to life's questions, he captures the mood and psychological pressures on ordinary people trying to choose between conflicting values, between irreconcilable options, who encounter unwanted circumstances which can ironically sometimes prove to be blessings in disguise. The Miracle Life of Edgar Mint: A Novel by Brady Udall W.W. Norton & Company Book; National Publisher; Fiction; Mormon Author and Subject $24.95 "A witty, wise and heart-wrenching tale of a naive orphan's struggle to survive an often unforgiving world," this novel tells the story of an indian youth as he moves through an Arizona reservation into an LDS foster family and into adulthood. Edgar Mint is the bastard son of a rebellious Apache girl who is severely injured when a mailman's jeep runs over his head at age 7. Revived by a doctor at a local hospital, he is discovered by two LDS missionaries who find him an LDS foster home in Utah. But Edgar has a difficult life with his foster Mormon family, discovering that the family also has it problems, from marital infidelity to a sexually curious teenage daughter, and is himself troubled, lying, stealing and even committing a murder. Early reviews of the novel have given it critical praise, including from novelist Tony Earley who said, "If Dickens had been born in Arizona, he might have written a book like this." See also: Brady Udall's New Novel Looks at an Indian in Mormondom http://www.mormonstoday.com/010622/A2BUdall01.shtml >From Mormon-News: Mormon News and Events Forwarding is permitted as long as this footer is included Mormon News items may not be posted to the World Wide Web sites without permission. Please link to our pages instead. For more information see http://www.MormonsToday.com/ - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:34:21 -0400 From: Tony Markham Subject: Re: [AML] Mormon Graphic Novels Many moons ago, while we were students at BYU, a couple of my friends were producing a comic strip based on the Book of Mormon. If memory serves (steady, steady) their names were Pepper Power and Leo Paur. Both of them had drawings published in The Leading Edge, and I've seen Leo's name as director (or maybe producer) of the current Batman cartoon series. Anybody have updates on these guys, their projects? Tony Markham - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:36:47 -0400 From: "Debra L. Brown" Subject: [AML] Fw: MN "City of Joseph" Pageant Starts; Expects to Draw 50,000: Burlington IA The Hawk Eye 23Jul01 US IL Nauv A1 "City of Joseph" Pageant Starts; Expects to Draw 50,000 NAUVOO, ILLINOIS -- Nearly 1,000 cast and crew members gathered in Navoo, Illinois this week, as preparation for this year's "City of Joseph" pageant got underway. It is estimated that 50,000 people will attend the two week pageant that will tell the story of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint's prophet Joseph Smith and the founding of the city of Nauvoo in 1839. For the McGraw family, and eight of their ten children, it will be their fourth year the family has participated. For the Clinton family of ten, it will be a two week summer vacation that no one wants to miss. "It's just the most wonderful thing to do with family," said Ellen McGraw of Roanoke, VA. "There is so much bonding that goes on." After the first year, the kids just won't let us not come," she added. Last year, Matt Clinton, now 17, saw the musical, "City of Joseph" for the first time. "I thought it was really cool and I could do the stuff that they did so I knew I wanted to be in it," he said. But the best way for Matt to join in was to convince the Clinton family that they should try it too. "We were told the best way for Matt to be in was if our whole family was in it, because they only take whole families," Yvonne said. "And I said, 'Oh, can you imagine our whole family?'" "When we got that letter of acceptance, there were shouts of joy around here," Yvonne said, surprised that all of the family shared Matt's desire to participate. "They were so excited. In fact, we've had complete unity." The family will stay in a cabin and eat their meals in a mess hall. Yvonne compared the costs of staying home and buying groceries and they were the same. The opportunity to be in close proximity to other cast members allows them to have more interaction with people from all over the country. Brik Eyre of Libertyville, Illinois will play Joseph Smith and is practicing with the cast for the first time. He and his wife, along with their five children, are all in the show. Their 2 and 1/2 month old baby will be carried on the outdoor stage in a family scene. Eyre said he knew the story of Nauvoo and Joseph Smith, but really began to understand Smith and the times he lived in while researching the role. "That's been actually a very humbling experience," he said. "City of Joseph" was written in the 1970's by R. Don Oscarson and co-author Maughan W. McMurdie. Oscarson will be returning to Nauvoo this year to play the part of narrator Walt. Lynn Bodily, a choreographer with the Schubert and Ariac Crown theaters in Chicago, will director the current production. She said the Church has spent some $13,000 on new costumes for this year's pageant along with a new Nauvoo Temple prop showing the structure from a somewhat different angle. "They thought it could be more authentic," Bodily said. Like the town of Nauvoo, the musical captures the feel of the 1840's through the authentic costumes, some made by cast members, and the sets. "Brent has had to grow a beard, all the boys had to grow their hair out because boys wore their hair longer then and the dresses are very period dated," Yvonne Clinton said. "I'm past the itch part, so it's been OK, but I'm looking forward to shaving it off," Brent Clinton said. "People wonder why I'm growing a beard in the middle of summer. Well, this is why." Vigorous rehearsal schedules, 15-hour days and the sweltering midday sun are all taken in stride in preparation for Friday night's first performance at 8:30 p.m. at the outdoor amphitheater across Parley Street from the Nauvoo Restoration Inc.Visitors Center. Performances are scheduled for Friday and Saturday with the show resuming July31 and running through August 4. Some seating is available but lawn chairs and blankets are welcome. "City of Joseph" is second in attendance only to the "Hill Cumorah" pageant held in Palmyra, N.Y. Source: Nauvoo readies for annual pageant Burlington IA The Hawk Eye 23Jul01 A1 http://www.thehawkeye.com/daily/stories/ln23071.html By Stephen A. Martin: The Hawk Eye Cast and crew of 1,000 gather for retelling of Mormon story. Clinton family to take part in 'City of Joseph' play Clinton IA Herald 24Jul01 P2 http://www.zwire.com/news/newsstory.cfm?newsid=2125677&title=Clinton%20famil y%20to%20take%20part%20in%20%27City%20of%20Joseph%27%20play&BRD=1408&PAG=461 &CATNAME=Top%20Stories&CATEGORYID=410 By Don Berger Herald Staff Writer >From Mormon-News: Mormon News and Events Forwarding is permitted as long as this footer is included Mormon News items may not be posted to the World Wide Web sites without permission. Please link to our pages instead. For more information see http://www.MormonsToday.com/ - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:39:52 -0700 From: Thom Duncan Subject: Re: [AML] KSL and the Church Chris Grant wrote: > Thom Duncan writes: > > [...] > >KSL has in the past exercised editorial control over its > >shows. > > Right. But did Spielberg's hard line regarding editing--recall > the brouhaha involving _Schindler's List_ and BYU--and time > constraints--Spielberg's TV cut of _Schindler's List_ was not > made available to affiliates until the night it was aired--give > KSL the option to edit out nude scenes? KSL didn't edit out the nude scenes. The ones in the camps they kept as are. The nude scenes of naked women in bed were skillfully shadowed. > And then showed equally racy SNL material in prime time during > the Thursday Night Live broadcasts. Yeah, I can't figure that one out. > >I think D. Mike is right. If it shows on KSL, the Church must > >at least tacitly approve. > > When columnists at Church-owned _Deseret News_ condemn the same > shows KSL is airing, do we then conclude that the Church both > tacitly approves *and* tacitly disapproves of these shows? Columnists don't represent the paper as a whole, and therefore not the Church, but rather their own opinions. Thom - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:51:13 -0700 From: Thom Duncan Subject: Re: [AML] Harding Play Staged Reading Marianne Hales Harding wrote: > >I am looking forward to it. Her play is "Next Rest Stop 78 Miles" > > > >Eileen Stringer > >eileens99@bigplanet.com > > I'm working on it even as we speak :-) I hope you'll get to see my work > often at Utah Shakes--and I look forward to meeting an AML-er there. I'll > be at the readings on Aug 16th and 17th and I would love it if any of the > AML-listers in the area would come out. It's not an overtly Mormon play, > but it had the good fortune to have an overtly Mormon playwright :-) And a very good reading at Playwrights Circle, when Marianne was local and could meet with us regularly. Congrats from your fellow Playwrights Circle members. Thom Duncan - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:17:21 -0600 From: Melissa Proffitt Subject: Re: [AML] Mission of Mormon Letters? On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:44:39 -0700 (PDT), William Morris wrote: >I'm not sure. I think what I'm struggling with is >this idea about being true to the story. Terry says >above that "you have to write what feels right to you >for the story you want to tell." Don't we, to some >extent, choose what feels right to us? >Has anyone actually said, wait a minute, I'm not sure >that the form/content/plot/voice of this story is >taking me in a direction I'm comfortable (comfort on a >moral not aesthetic level) with? Yes. I had developed a story that I thought was very strong, about a subject I cared about, in a genre I love. I discovered that the combination of all those things created a story that was beyond my ability--beyond my = comfort level--to tell. To do so would have meant immersing myself in a world I didn't want to be in, without any guarantee that I could eventually pull = it off. It was, in short, a story I decided I didn't want to tell. My solution was to set it aside. Understand that I did not do this lightly. I do not come up with plots easily and I almost never come up with plots that mean something. I = worked at this for three years before I stopped. Also, it's not the only = solution. Another writer might have found a better way to tell the story; others = might not have worried about the kind of story it was going to be. But as far = as I could tell, it had to be a bloody, dark, twisted tale about some really evil things, and sanitizing that vision would have meant sacrificing something really powerful. And I decided I would rather not write it at = all than write something wishy-washy. >Well this post is way too abstract and self-indulgent, >but I still think we should ask ourselves "should we?" >sometimes. I like the idea of a diverse Mormon >literature, but I also would like to see a Mormon >literature that resists more often the dominant ways >of writing. To me it depends on what "we" means. I don't like the idea of "should = we?" that restricts the ability of each artist to represent his or her own = vision of Mormon literature. I *would* like it to mean that Mormon artists = don't need to feel constrained to tell only stories that will be acceptable to = the world, or only stories that look like everyone else's stories. The best thing about writing is that nobody is given just one perfect story to tell--you get lots and lots of chances. Forgoing one of them is more = like waiting for the next elevator than missing the last lifeboat off the Titanic. Melissa Proffitt - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:43:52 -0600 From: "Jacob Proffitt" Subject: RE: [AML] Sex in Literature - ---Original Message From: Gae Lyn Henderson > I saw the Utah County "Clean Flicks" version. No sex at all > in the movie. Quite a number of bleeped words. A great story > about materistic versus personal values. > > Now why do I do that? Training and lots of church talks? Am > I more afraid of visual representations of sex than written > ones? Do I really think I can protect my kids in this age of > computer-available everything? Do I have a split personality > because of my culture? I love to read Eric Samuelson's > liberatory vision of see no evil in art. Why am I such a > wimp about it myself? Or am I just not (completely) corrupted yet? I wouldn't have seen an unedited version of Jerry McGuire if I were in your situation, either. At least, not at home. I think there is a huge difference in situations that can change things from appropriate to inappropriate. We watch a number of movies after the kids go to bed that we'd never, ever, watch with them anywhere around. Some of those are rated PG. Many of them are movies other families let their kids watch. Individual situations, tastes, tolerance, and weaknesses vary. It isn't about deciding which of us is corrupt. It's about recognizing what each of us uses to make the value judgments that we do. Jacob Proffitt - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:24:57 -0600 From: "Alan Rex Mitchell" Subject: Re: [AML] Mission of Mormon Letters? Gae Lyn, (Good to hear from you---when are you bringing the horses out and herding cows?) You wrote: I was > talking to a student at BYU who was in an advanced degree program in > counseling. He told me that Levi Peterson's stories helped him in working > with his Mormon clients more than any of the theory he was studying in > school. His comment was one reason I decided to do my master's degree in > English rather than in psychology or sociology. I have no doubt Peterson's stories have the effect of sorting out such feelings. But when readers like me revolt at the world view contained therein, we are likely to throw the book across the room and pull out the Discourses of Brig. Young for some balance/adult supervision. > As the mother of six sons, ages 14-26, I find Peterson's work to also be > revelatory in exposing the intenstity of the sexual feelings that young (and > old) males (and females) go through, and the (somtimes tortured) internal > conflict that can create in a rigorously strict religious belief system and > culture. Interestingly, I think it is the wallowing in permissive-ness that causes the most tortured internal conflicts. Yes, the young (and old) feel guilt and conflict in regards to said feelings, but if you consider those souls that feel no guilt with regard to their sexual actions, then according to the venerable Harold Bloom, that is much worse. Because then they can feel no love. And by the way, do you feel Barry Monroe words convey the negotiating of the conflicted feelings? > Gae Lyn Henderson (who tries to fit her 6 sons into every post if possible) Alan Rex Mitchell (who tries to fit Barry Monroe into every post if possible) - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:10:09 -0600 From: rwilliams Subject: RE: [AML] Sex in Literature >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From aml-list@lists.xmission.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> I must disagree strenuously. First of all, that wasn't just >> "explicit," it >> was practically pornography. It was so incredibly graphic that I was >> completely shocked to see it in mainstream movie. Who saw >> Jerry's face in >> that shocking flash of flesh? There were plenty of other things >> that serve >> as a baseline for Jerry's character and even if you really really >> wanted to >> show his great resignation during sex there was no real need to get that >> graphic. It took me out of the story completely. >> >> Marianne Hales Harding > > >I saw the Utah County "Clean Flicks" version. No sex at all in the movie. >Quite a number of bleeped words. A great story about materistic versus >personal values. > >I suspect that many AML listers might feel such external cutting defiles the >sacred realm of authorship and artistic vision. Maybe I ought to argue that >myself, after all I'm an English teacher and I just posted something about >the sexuality in Levi Peterson's work being morally valuable. BUT, because >it is Wednesday, and as the mother of six sons, I sometimes put on my >conservative Mormon mother persona and go for the edited version. In fact I >wouldn't have seen it otherwise. > >Now why do I do that? Training and lots of church talks? Am I more afraid >of visual representations of sex than written ones? Do I really think I can >protect my kids in this age of computer-available everything? Do I have a >split personality because of my culture? I love to read Eric Samuelson's >liberatory vision of see no evil in art. Why am I such a wimp about it >myself? Or am I just not (completely) corrupted yet? > > >Gae Lyn Henderson > This is my first post, though I=92ve been following several threads, at least, cursorily. And before I respond, perhaps I should introduce myself. My name is John Williams, and I was educated at BYU, then USU (where I just finished my thesis, hence the lack of time for posting), and will be starting a Ph.D. in Comparative Literature at UC Irvine this fall. So that=92s me anyway. To be honest, I didn=92t read exactly what Gae Lyn said earlier about =93the sexuality in Levi Peterson=92s work being morally valuable,=94 but I=92d like to make two points about her post. First of all, I think the sexuality in Levi Peterson=92s work IS morally valuable. In fact, I think Levi illustrates, particularly in _The Backslider_, that Mormons should actually WELCOME =93Sex in Literature=94 as portrayed by other Mormons. Why leave the portrayal of sex to those who are bound to misinterpret its sacred power? Secondly, in answer to Gae Lyn=92s question =93Am I more afraid of visual representations of sex than written ones?=94 I would answer YES, or at least, you should be. I don=92t buy the argument that sex portrayed vividly on a screen is equal to sex portrayed vividly in literature. As this discussion has gone on, I have noticed a rather disturbing conflation of the two. I would argue, however, that literature might be the only really safe place to portray sex, or violence, or whatever. Of course, I recognize that the human mind has a wonderfully creative ability to conjure up images, and that some literature, designed to titillate, also counts as pornography, because it =93does dirt=94 on sex. Fine. We won=92t waste our time with that. But whereas a photograph of two people having sex violates my sense of modesty and morality, a literary portrayal seems much more innocuous. As evidence, just try recalling the EXACT wording of some sex scene you=92ve ever read in a book. I=92ve read several. I can remember reading dozens of sex scenes in Gabriele Garcia Marquez=92s _Love in the Time of Cholera_, but the precise details escape me. I may be able to recall a few disparate images, but they certainly don=92t stick in my mind the way that dirty magazine from 8th grade does. Photographs of people having sex, even more than drawings of the same, breach the shield of aesthetic distance that literature can provide. They thrust the viewer into an immediate, and disturbingly intimate relationship with the actors. Literature doesn=92t do this. And, as a Graduate Instructor at USU having graded several papers on the subject of =93external cutting defil[ing] the sacred realm of authorship and artistic vision,=94 I have to say that logically there isn=92t any substance to this argument. Take, for example, the brouhaha about editing Titanic or any of the R rated movies in Utah County. The =93artistic integrity=94 argument goes something like this: The director created the film with a specific logical sequence in mind, and to interrupt or skip over these scenes, thus catering to the =93less mature=94 audience, would be to disrupt the artistic wholeness of the film. Okay, great. But the same logic implies two very overlooked arguments: (1) If we shouldn=92t ever interrupt the artistic continuity of a film then, naturally, there shouldn=92t be ANY films on TV, unless they can show them without commercials. (=93Don=92t cut out the sex or violence, but go ahead and interrupt with Purina Cat Chow and Walmart commercials every five minutes, it shouldn=92t affect the director=92s =93original=94 intention.) (2) And speaking of the director=92s original intention, has anyone else noticed that at the beginning of every video there is a small disclaimer stating =93this film has been modified and formatted to fit your screen blah blah blah=94? I used to think this was a hilarious announcement since, if they hadn=92t formatted it to fit my screen, and had merely cut out nineteen inches of the huge movie screen, then all I=92d ever see is an occasional ankle. Of course, what they really mean is that they have scrunched the wider movie screen to fit my square-shaped TV screen. But doesn=92t viewing =93Saving Private Ryan=94 on my wimpy little nineteen inch screen contradict the director=92s =93original=94 intention anyway? I=92m not a cinematographer but I assume that the effect is VERY different, even=97do we dare say it?=97altered? Most people who get upset with movie editing are rather hypocritical in their selective allegiance to the director=92s artistic intentions. My feeling is that different people have different levels of sensitivity, and that we shouldn=92t be so condescending as to say =93you NEED to see this sex or violence or else you can=92t see the movie at all.=94 If we had a =93effected by sex=94 meter, and showed the same movie to two different people, then certainly the results would be different. I might score a =935,=94 but my teenage brother might be up around =938.=94 Isn=92t that the entire reason for the rating system? Well, it=92s late, and I=92m beginning to see why some members of the list spend so much time here; one gets into the argument and then can=92t leave. But it is rather fun. Perhaps I=92ll contribute more often. John - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 07:36:00 -0600 From: Chris Grant Subject: Re: [AML] KSL and the Church Thom Duncan writes: [...] >KSL didn't edit out the nude scenes. Right, and I was arguing that KSL didn't have the freedom and/or ability to edit out the nude scenes. Does anyone have evidence to the contrary (i.e., evidence that they did have both the freedom and the ability to do so)? If not, inferences based on KSL's failure to exercise freedom and/or ability that they did not have seem unwarranted to me. [...] >Columnists don't represent the paper as a whole, and >therefore not the Church, but rather their own opinions. KSL and the _Deseret News_ are each only a part of the Church's holdings. Is it really that much more significant when the whole of a part does something than when a part of a part does? If so, how about BYU's actions in regard to _Schindler's List_? Were those actions less reflective of the Church's position than KSL's? If so, why? Chris Grant - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:40:21 -0600 From: "Marianne Hales Harding" Subject: RE: [AML] Sex in Literature >I saw the Utah County "Clean Flicks" version. No sex at all in the movie. >Quite a number of bleeped words. A great story about materistic versus >personal values. You didn't miss anything by missing the sex scene. And I don't think it's a matter of being more sensitive to visual images than literary images. I would have been just as offended at a book that was as graphic as that movie was. Marianne Hales Harding _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:01:07 -0700 From: Terri Reid Subject: RE: [AML] Mission of Mormon Letters? For the past eight months or so, my sister and I have been co-writing a novel. It started out as a suspense story about some women in Southern Illinois who run an Underground Railroad that "moves" abused women from one area of the country to another. The suspense part was that someone in the Underground was killing some of the women. We sent the first hundred pages to our agent in New York and she was pretty excited about it. And we proceeded to tell the story - but as we continued, we really didn't like the direction of the novel. The characters, the motivation, the plot was taking us to a real seamy side of life and we felt that we would be exploiting abused women even more if we continued. So - we stopped. Now we get to explain to our agent that we'll be working on something else and getting it to her real soon.:) My sister is not LDS. She has written excellent suspense novels with strong female characters. I've always been her editor - but this time we wanted to see what we could do together. And actually, the writing was great, the scenes were realistic and as we read what we created, we became more and more uncomfortable. Which then lead me to my original question - about the Mission of Mormon Letters. Just because we can - should we? (A twist on Terry's response.) And perhaps it goes back to Shakespeare's Hamlet - Polonius, "To thine own self be true." Terri Terri Reid Executive Producer - Midwest Region PIXELight www.itpnow.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:14:26 -0400 From: "Debra L. Brown" Subject: [AML] Fw: MN Upcoming Mormon Events: Kent Larsen 26Jul01 E4 [MOD: This is a rather long post, and some of the items are clearly not within AML-List's purview--but others clearly are. What do you all think? Is it worth making long events-postings like this to AML-List (space permitting), or should we try to limit our space to more arts-oriented announcements? Do you feel you get value out of this?] Upcoming Mormon Events Events during the next two weeks involving Mormons, Mormonism or the LDS Church [Regions given are nearest metropolitan area. Time zones include hours from GMT] Church Lectures, Symposia and Workshops Music - Classical BYU Touring Groups Music - Popular Books Museums and Art Theater and Film LDS Singles and Youth Miscellaneous Date Region Description and Details CHURCH 25Jul US CA SanF Oakland Temple Pageant thru 28Jul Oakland CA 800pm PDT(-0700) Oakland Temple Visitors Center 26Jul US UT CDal Castle Valley Pageant thru 28Jul Castle Dale UT 830pm PDT(-0700) Oakland Temple Visitors Center 27Jul US IL Nauv City of Joseph Pageant thru 28Jul Nauvoo IL 31Jul US UT Prov BYU Devotional -- E. 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