From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #427 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Monday, August 20 2001 Volume 01 : Number 427 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:02:25 -0600 From: Lee Allred Subject: Re: [AML] Fw: MN Deseret News' Dean Photo Editing Makes Worldwide News: Editor & >>and asked the staff to do something about it, thinking they would find a tobacco-free photo Will no one rid me of this troublesome photo! Lee Lee Allred www.leeallred.com leea@sff.net - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:50:30 -0600 From: "Jacob Proffitt" Subject: [AML] Cross-Medium Comparisons (was: _Titan AE_) - ---Original Message From: Ivan Angus Wolfe > Jacob Proffitt wrote: >=20 > > SF as a genre is barely large enough to have clich=E9s at all, > > > let alone enough to put together a whole movie. >=20 > I'd have to take you up on that - SF as a genre is so large that=20 > much of it is composed of cliches. The worst writers use the=20 > same tropes over and over - make use of the same ideas, etc. =20 > Even the best of writers fall into it - With Arthur C. Clarke (one of=20 > the greats), his last solo written works (Such as Songs of Distant=20 > Earth and Hammer of God) began to descend into cliches about=20 > Religion. Clarke feels there is a God, but that current Earths=20 > religions are dangerous - and over and over and over again=20 > mentions how much better society would be without it (he goes=20 > so far as to advocate censorship of anything related to religion if=20 > Songs of Distant Earth). For his later works (his earlier ones=20 > were much more ambiguous about it) religion is bad became a=20 > cliche. This is interesting. You're the third person to take me up on this statement and then bring in books as your source of clich=E9s. I'll = admit that I was perhaps unclear in my statement, but there is an interesting reason for that I'd like to explore. How many of you watch SF movies and apply SF literature as a basis for analysis? The thing I find interesting is that I don't. An underlying assumption of my statement is that there is no cross-art comparisons. When I watch movies, I compare them to other movies. When I read books, I compare them to other books. There is something of a wall between the two that prevents me from easy comparisons. Books and movies are sufficiently removed from each other that I tend to find any comparisons as interpretations rather than extensions. Let's take an example to show what I mean, here. Jane Austen's "Emma" is one of my all-time favorite books. I've read it, well, a dozen times or so and enjoy it immensely. A little while back, two movies were released that were essentially "Emma" remakes. One was, well, "Emma" and starred Gwyneth Paltrow. The other was "Clueless" and starred Alicia Silverstone. A lot of my friends and family who are also fans of Jane Austen's "Emma" hated (or at least expressed extreme dislike for) one or both of those movies. All of their objections come down to "Jane Austen did it better." I loved both movies and both have found a home in my private VHS collection (this was before I became a DVD snob). You see, it comes as something of a shock to me that you should compare either movie to the book. If I compare a movie to a book, I tend to hold something of a gulf between them because both mediums tell stories in very different ways. I'm far more likely to compare "Emma" the movie to "Clueless" than to "Emma" the book (which is *very* interesting, BTW). I think that both "Emma" the movie and "Clueless" did great jobs of capturing the spirit and/or essence of "Emma" even though they both cut or altered a great deal of the things I love about the book. Were they as good as the book? Not a comparison I can really make except to say that the book is still one of my all time favorites and both movies are good enough to be in my video library and viewed occasionally, but don't immediately spring to mind as favorite movies. So when I say that SF as a genre doesn't have many clich=E9s, I'm unconsciously excluding all the books and short stories I've read from that analysis. Based on the responses so far, I seem to be in the minority of people who do that. The question is, is this solely a personal quirk, or something that others do as well? And an interesting question to me is if cross-platform comparisons are valid and how to cross platforms elegantly. I ask this in the broader context because as I think about it, I do the same thing with plays as well, and even, to a certain extent between written plays and actual productions. To make it a really broad comparison: for me, it is a little like comparing a painting to a short story. Jacob Proffitt - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:10:39 -0600 From: Melissa Proffitt Subject: Re: [AML] Unusual Names On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:54:41 -0600 (MDT), katie@aros.net wrote: >We had a pair of sister missionaries in Oklahoma, early '90's, named = Sister=20 >White and Sister Brown. >Sister Brown was African-American and Sister White was caucasian. I'd think it would be even funnier if it were the other way around. Melissa Proffitt - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:43:26 -0500 From: Ronn Blankenship Subject: [AML] re: Cliches in Science Fiction At 02:34 AM 8/15/01, D. Michael Martindale wrote: >Jacob Proffitt wrote: > > > SF as a genre is barely large enough to have clich=E9s at all, let alone > > enough to put together a whole movie. > >I'm surprised at you, Jacob. I thought you and Melissa were SF fans. >Science fiction is riddled with cliches. There's a whole website with a >long, detailed list of science fiction cliches >(http://enphilistor.users4.50megs.com/cliche.htm). FWIW, I can think of numerous stories that are generally considered good=20 (if not great) that are built around one or more of the clich=E9s on that=20 list*, showing that it can be what you do with it rather than how many=20 times its been used. However, it generally helps to be the _first_: e.g.,= =20 the 1954 film _Them!_ is considered a classic, though "giant mutant=20 s caused by atomic radiation" became a clich=E9 well=20 before the New Year's bells rang in the Sixties. It's always good to=20 remember the advice Heinlein's human protagonist gives to the=20 practical-joking AI in _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_ when it comes up with= =20 what it thinks will be a wonderful new prank: Man: "Use it once, you're a wit. Use it twice, you're a half-wit." AI: "Geometric progression?" Man: "Or worse." - ----- *There is also a long list of (in)famous clich=E9s to avoid in writing. I= =20 suspect, however, that many on this list have at some time have read the=20 well-known, award-winning book that starts with the ultimate in clich=E9=20 openings: "It was a dark and stormy night." - ----- ******************************************** * * NOTE TO JONATHAN--PLEASE REMOVE BEFORE FORWARDING TO THE LIST: * Please don't insert the title--if anyone doesn't recognize it from that= clue, * let them look it up . . . ;-) * ******************************************** [snip of other good comments] >If there was anything about the movie that bothered me, it was that the >male protagonist's bare butt was shown, but when an equally plausible >opportunity came along to show the female protagonist's bare butt, she >was kept conveniently covered. Whatever happened to equality in the >sexes? Why is a man's bare butt a joke, but a woman's bare butt would be >a scandal, even if both circumstances are equally innocent? Could that have been meant as an intentional reversal of the usual=20 situation in film: gratuitous female nudity is common while male nudity is= =20 rare? (One reason that has been suggested for that imbalance is that historically= =20 most writers, producers, and directors have been male.) - --Ronn! :) - --------------------------------------------------------- I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle - --------------------------------------------------------- - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 05:46:18 +0000 From: "Tami Miller" Subject: Re: [AML] Irreantum fiction contest winners I can definitely relate to this, Darlene. A common reply is "Ah, isn't that niiiiiice." I'm surprised I haven't been patted (indulgently) on the head, like a two-year-old who finally learned to color in the lines! - -Tami >From: Darlene Young > >Actually, the contest has made me so very grateful to >be a part of this online community. I was so excited >to read the announcement yesterday and I've been >telling everyone (bragging shamelessly) but, alas, the >people around me are not readers and writers and, when >I'm looking for congratulations, they smile >indulgently and say they are glad I'm enjoying my >"little hobby." I appreciate so much the chance to >turn on the computer and feel like I'm among friends >who understand me. Thanks, AML! > > >===== >Darlene Young > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > >- >AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature >http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:38:51 -0700 From: harlowclark@juno.com Subject: Re: [AML] Mission of Mormon Letters? On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 02:03:51PM -0600, Scott Parkin wrote: > > I'd just like to see more Mormons consider Mormon stories as a > > legitimate outlet for their creative energies. Not a demand, but a > > desire. Because I believe that the talent exists right now to tell > > the most powerful stories of Mormonness and humanity that the > > world has ever seen--if only our talented people will consider > > telling stories of Mormons as well as stories of others. Amen! Bro. Parkin. Terry L Jeffress , 30 Jul 2001, replies: > A worthy desire, but I think our culture makes the fulfilling of that > desire more difficult than in other cultures. We go to a lot of > effort to appear sinless. Any literature that peeks into the dark > reality of Mormonness must ultimately take on sin and imperfection. I don't like that phrase "dark reality of Mormonness." Sometimes people just want to write "stories about people who happen to be Mormons" (Bela Petsco's phrase), and sometimes people write about dark things to show the Gospel's power to dispel darkness. This is a major theme in horror fiction. I remember a review of William Peter Blatty's sequel to The Exorcist, Legion, where the reviewer said Blatty's purpose was to "justify God's ways to man," but Stephen King and Peter Straub did it a lot better (and of course there's Malt Whitman, who "does more than Milton Cahn to justify God's ways to Mann"). But it's also a theme in other kinds of fiction, or ought to be. I've written before of my admiration for how Levi Peterson stands literary convention on its head in "The Gift," where it's the believing missionary who shakes the atheist's faith in the void. That's an interesting thread running through Eugene England's anthology _Converted to Christ Through the Book of Mormon_, people talking about the angst, sorrow and existential darkness they lived in before coming to Christ through the Book of Mormon. That's also the main image in Lehi's dream--the Savior's power to bring us through horrifying darkness, an image repeated when the prophecy of that dream is fulfilled as the Savior delivers those still alive from the horrible darkness after his crucifixion. (Sidelight here. My sister has Friberg's picture of the Savior's appearance in Zarahemla over her mantle. I had assumed, because her husband had a very troubled relationship with the Church, that she put it there, but I think it was his picture. At his funeral their home teacher of 20 years told a story Bruce had told him. He was a psychologist and one day had gone to a colleague to talk over a problem and the colleague said, "Imagine yourself in the worst situation you can. Who could rescue you?" Now, hearing this story I thought, 'A good lawyer,' but Bruce said, "The Savior.") So some people might write dark stories because they want to show how the Light of the World dispels darkness, and how much. > Most people don't want to face the fact that these problems exist. Or it may simply be a legacy of the past half century of literary criticism and theory. I spent a long, dreamlike (and I hope lucid) essay wondering at how 50 years' of high school and college teachers approaching literature and art as something that challenges or subverts society (like a howitzer challenges a town--to use Lionel Trilling's image), that is, as something anti-social, affects people's attitudes towards art and literature. Given that most people don't venture much further into lit. crit. than what they learn in Freshperson comp and those that do end up teaching that literature challenges and subverts society, artists perhaps ought not be surprised when people choose to interpret stories about painful dark things as attacks on them, in much the same way audiences might interpret that slicing the eyeball in Bunuel's Un Chien Andalou as an attack on them. (If I ran that last sentence through Grammatik it would tell me that long sentences can be confusing, and that I have two in a row. "Consider varying your sentence length.") > We also must face the fact that our church owns the major book > distribution system for our literature. I don't believe that the > editorial content of Deseret Book titles could shift very far from its > present course. Covenant could probably publish more interesting > material, but Covenant has such a strict profit motive, that they > probably wouldn't take the chance. That leaves Signature, which > has published some challenging titles, but these always seem to > have an anti-Mormon theme. Could you give some examples, please, Terry, of Signature Books with anti-Mormon themes? I've heard this charge several times and it always reminds me of the Jews who claim Phillip Roth is anti-Semitic when I found "Eli the Fanatic" a moving celebration of a group of Holocaust survivors trying to survive the post-war in a secular environment. > We may have the talented people who could tell these stories, but I > don't believe that we have a broad-minded enough culture willing and > ready to receive these stories. I think we should tell the stories > anyway, and allow history to filter out the stories that get retold. I think we also need to create a body of criticism that teaches us that interpretation is always a choice and that we are responsible for how we interpret works of art--that is, we have the ability to respond to works of art, and explore our response, even change it. Harlow S. Clark ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:12:26 -0600 From: "Ethan Skarstedt" Subject: RE: [AML] Cliches in Science Fiction >At 01:13 AM 8/14/01, Jacob Proffitt wrote: >>SF as a genre is barely large enough to have clich=E9s at all, >No? How about: >(1) Two space travelers crash-land on a deserted planet, and in the very=20 last paragraph, we learn that their names are . . . . . . Adam=20 and Eve. >(2) The brave, handsome spaceship captain who flies around the Galaxy=20 righting wrongs (and romancing females of any species). >(3) The time traveler who goes back in time to kill his own grandfather. >(4) The time traveler who goes back in time to save President Kennedy from=20 >being assassinated. (Forty years ago, the exact same story, but with=20 >President Lincoln.) >(5) "The last man on Earth sat in a room alone. There was a knock at the=20 >door . . . " >Anyone have any others to add? Sure. 1 Powerful alien race manipulates early humans and turns out to be (gasp) God. 2 The time traveler who meets himself and is confused and out of sorts for no other reason than he is meeting himself. 3 Aliens with complicated foreheads. Note: I must be calling the wrong thing Science Fiction if it's not considered a large genre. What thread did Mr. Proffitt say that in? I'd like to read it. [Ethan Skarstedt] - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:06:23 -0400 From: Richard Johnson Subject: Re: [AML] Medved's Arguments Jacob Proffitt wrote: > > Yes. My point exactly. The people in Hollywood are motivated by a > lot > of different things and I think that serving Satan (or even a war > against decency as claimed by Medved) is probably one of the least > common. skip > Interestingly, I think the (more accurate) perception that Hollywood > is > in blind pursuit of money is at the heart of much of our cultural > conflict with regards to artists and affects LDS artists more than any > hidden Hollywood agenda could. > Jacob Proffitt > My only adventures in film were about forty years ago, but I have a number of former students, former classmates etc. who have gone about making films for years and years, and this leads to discussion of the process when we get together for whatever purpose. I haven't read Medved, though I have heard him on the talk-show, news-show format. I thought he had some trenchant things to say, but the contention that someone would set out consciously with a war against decency is, IMHO, silly. What I know from personal experience is that many filmmakers don't have a G rated sense of morality. Most of them that I know, try to be pretty moral people, but even in that group are many who think it perfectly logical and not all that immoral to fall in love with and have an affair with a co-star. I have even heard it stated with some emphasis that if it doesn't happen the film is likely not to have "electricity". I know others who use cocaine as a crutch just to keep going in their lives. The movies that they make are likely to fall into what they personally identify as moral and/or necessary. (One of those who "fell in love with a co-star, but returned to his own true love after the film was made had been actively involved with "spiking" old growth trees to make it dangerous to cut them. The sexual morality that might concern me is not in force, but he would risk arrest and even killing someone else to save a redwood). I think what we see is a variety of moral codes and a variety of artistic visions. Many of these visions are also affected by whatever one feels will draw in the dollars. As a Director of Theatre at a college in South Baptist Georgia, I discovered early that we had to be very selective in the presentation of "edgy" material because we were/are somewhat dependent on the box office, and the more edgy the performance the smaller the audience. I remember a performance of Vonnegut's _Happy Birthday Wanda June_ that played, in arena, to an average audience of about six. Fortunately it was playing in rep (same actors in both shows) with a production of _Godspell_ that was sold out to the walls every night. I think Hollywood is at least as selective in melding the artistic vision to the morality of the makers to the potential audience involved. I think sometimes they do a pretty dumb job-- but then I aint one of them I am one of "us". Richard Johnson - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:15:49 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] _Titan AE_ Ivan Angus Wolfe wrote: > Even the best of writers fall into it - With Arthur C. Clarke (one of > the greats), his last solo written works (Such as Songs of Distant > Earth and Hammer of God) began to descend into cliches about > Religion. Clarke feels there is a God, but that current Earths > religions are dangerous That's news to me. I could have sworn Clarke was an avowed atheist. Seems like I've heard direct quotes from him about that. I definitely remember Stanley Kubrick talking about it in regards to a scene from "2001: A Space Odyssey." A woman claimed to see the sign of the cross in the film (probably when the moons of Jupiter and the monolith came into alignment). Kubrick was bemused by that because, as he said, he's a Jew and Clarke's an atheist. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:37:20 EDT From: Turk325@aol.com Subject: Re: [AML] Home Schooling (was: Mormon Monasticism) In a message dated 8/15/01 2:07:38 PM, iaw2@email.byu.edu writes: << However - there were two other families in our ward who home -schooled their children and would routinely get up in testimony meeting to talk about how more spiritual their kids were than the rest of us who were being tutored by the Satan-run Public education system. If I ever talked about what was going on at school with one of their kids who was my age - they would shake their heads and tell me I was in the devil's camp. >> The Flanders family. They live in Springfield. Next to the Simpsons. Kurt Weiland - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:44:46 -0700 (PDT) From: William Morris Subject: RE: [AML] Medved's Arguments - --- Jacob Proffitt wrote: > Interestingly, I think the (more accurate) > perception that Hollywood is > in blind pursuit of money is at the heart of much of > our cultural > conflict with regards to artists and affects LDS > artists more than any > hidden Hollywood agenda could. Since we disdain > Hollywood and we know > that blind pursuit of profit is immoral and wrong, > we want assurance > that our artists aren't, well, tainted. Since > pursuit of money leads to > Hollywood's excesses, we want to make sure that > those forces won't taint > our LDS literature. At least, this might be an > explanation for why we > hold our artists to higher standards than we hold > the rest of our > entertainment. > So what you're saying is that Mormons are just as bad as those hipsters who obssess over indie-cred. Man, the Flaming Lips totally sold out when they appeared on 90210. Except for the Mormon audience the standard of credibility is both a) untainted by filthy lucre and b) untainted by sex, violence, and bad language. What's interesting is that the rabid indie-cred guys and culturally-sensitive Mormons (i.e. Mormons for whom the culture of Mormondon is paramount) both seem to have the same goal--to maintain a certain purity of cultural expression and identity in the face of heavily-marketed, profit-driven, corporate-created culture. ~~William Morris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:41:42 -0600 From: Gerald G Enos Subject: Re: [AML] Unusual Names Ok now we are on sisters. In my mission there was Sister Ball who was (like me) round and jolly and Sister Stout who didn't match her name at all. Then of course I wonder what people would have said about my husband on his mission. (Elder Enos) Konnie Enos ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:16:15 -0600 From: Gerald G Enos Subject: Re: [AML] Writing About "Good" Mormons Ronn, Maybe stories with the member girl converting the non-member guy aren't used that often because they are so full of problems. The only ladies I know of that fell in love with a non-member either married and raised their kids in a part-member home or he converted only to leave the church latter on and the marriage ended in divorce. In fact of all the marriages like this I can think of I only know of one that has not split up. In that one she is less active and he might has well be baptized and probably would if his mother wasn't so anti-mormon. On the other hand I know stories that have happy endings that are boy converts girl so I can believe that kind of story. Well what I am trying to say is that maybe girl converts boy and marries him are harder stories to make beleiveable because they don't happen very often. (Less often then the other way around.) Konnie Enos ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:28:47 -0500 From: "REWIGHT" Subject: Re: [AML] J. Scott BRONSON, _The Whipping Boy_ (Unpublished) Well Scott, You've certainly piqued my interest in this book. I'd like to read it. Anna - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:37:18 -0500 From: "Darvell Hunt" Subject: [AML] Re: Unusual Names Two examples from my own mission (Late 80's in the Massachusetts Boston Mission): Elder Flake and Elder Flake, two cousins from Snowflake, Arizona. This companionship got split up when one of them went home. I got the other one immediately after. I had a hard time getting him to wear his nametag because he had gotten out of practice. Imagine the confusion: "Hello. I'm Elder Flake and this is my companion, Elder Flake." (Yes, they both were from the Flake family who joined the Snow family in settling Snowflake, Arizona.) Second example: Sister Elder (who ended up marrying one of my companions, Elder Wilde) Another example from my home ward where I grew up: Elder Elder. Darvell Hunt Saratoga Springs, Utah _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:08:37 -0600 From: "Marianne Hales Harding" Subject: Re: [AML] Irreantum fiction contest winners Oh, isn't that the truth!!! I still have people who come up to me and ask if I'm still doing "that little playwriting thing." Yeah, and I call it a...career...thank you very much. Survey: how many of the women writers on this list get the proverbial indulgent pat on the head when it comes to matters career? And I know that the men will cry foul because they get it too but somehow I have to say that we women seem to get it more. I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong... Marianne Hales Harding (who is in Cedar City now and loving being the playwright-of-the-week here at the Utah Shakespearean Festival) >I can definitely relate to this, Darlene. A common reply is "Ah, isn't >that >niiiiiice." I'm surprised I haven't been patted (indulgently) on the head, >like a two-year-old who finally learned to color in the lines! > >-Tami > >>From: Darlene Young >> >>Actually, the contest has made me so very grateful to >>be a part of this online community. I was so excited >>to read the announcement yesterday and I've been >>telling everyone (bragging shamelessly) but, alas, the >>people around me are not readers and writers and, when >>I'm looking for congratulations, they smile >>indulgently and say they are glad I'm enjoying my >>"little hobby." I appreciate so much the chance to >>turn on the computer and feel like I'm among friends >>who understand me. Thanks, AML! >> >> >>===== >>Darlene Young >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >>http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ >> >> >> >> >>- >>AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature >>http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >- >AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature >http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #427 ******************************