From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #447 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Tuesday, September 11 2001 Volume 01 : Number 447 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:54:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "R.W. Rasband" Subject: [AML] re: Eugene England Eugene England's family used the word "naive" in his obituary to describe him. That's "le mot just" in describing many liberal Mormons. Like England, they expect that people's actions will match their rhetoric and are shocked and hurt (but maybe not really surprised) when things don't work out that way. Another good word would be "guileless" (I'm sure some would say "clueless." But as England once wrote about Mormons and Watergate, it's good to be too unworldly to participate in some things.) It's almost like he was preparing for his departure over the last couple of years without realizing it. Certainly the work he did and the speeches he made at UVSC are a summing-up, a testament to his life's work that we can draw on in the years to come. I only met the guy once and didn't know him at all. Except through his writings, which are usually the first thing I go to (after the scriptures) when I have a question about the gospel. My own feelings are inconsequential, of course, besides those of his family and friends. But it's been a tough year for me, health-wise, and in the economy of adversity, his death has been a sad event in a time when they have been too common. ===== R.W. Rasband Heber City, UT rrasband@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 18:06:04 -0600 From: "ROY SCHMIDT" Subject: RE: [AML] Polygamy [MOD: I'm allowing this through as a direct, informational reply to something that has already arisen in this discussion, but we're pretty clearly over the line here in terms of the list guideline that we should avoid "establishing just what [the] doctrines and opinions [of the Church] are" and "whether [we] think they're justified"--though in this case I acknowledge that it's hard to talk about how to handle polygamy literarily without talking about what we understand the doctrine/practice to be, as we have been doing here. Still, please let's remember to keep the discussion literary in its focus.] They policy has been (I don't know if it still is) that if a woman has not been sealed to a man during her lifetime, she may be sealed to all her former husbands. She will then be able to exercise her agency in the next life, and will decide which husband with whom she will spend eternity. I suppose she could choose "none of the above." Roy Schmidt - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 18:17:38 -0600 From: Barbara Hume Subject: RE: [AML] An Iconography of Our Own At 04:50 PM 9/5/01 -0600, you wrote: >. For example, for some reason the church has adopted the costumes of >commerce as the costumes of spirituality. Would you elaborate on this remark, please? I don't get it. barbara hume - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 18:23:07 -0600 From: Barbara Hume Subject: RE: [AML] An Iconography of Our Own ut 05:32 PM 9/5/01 -0600, you wrote: >Covers generally pretty accurately reflect what's inside them: No pictures >of hot women on the front of math textbooks, plenty of cleavage and >strapping men on romance novels, and so on. If you only knew how many romance writers moan about the fact that the covers the publishers give them do not come close to exemplifying what's in the books. . . . We don't want the clinch covers, readers are embarrassed about the clinch covers, but the publishers are thinking inside the box: "We've always done it that way." (I do like the trend toward the hero-only cover; cleavage does not entice me to buy a book.) barbara hume - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 21:53:34 -0400 From: "Tom Johnson" Subject: Re: [AML] Polygamy There is a polygamy listserv, did you know. I once ran across it listed beside a number of other listservs (though I'm sorry I can't remember the specific url from which to subscribe), and after reading about two dozen polygamist messages I became quite astonished to see that the arguments they made were justified by almost the same doctrine and rhetoric that normal lds churchmembers make (e.g., b/c one is persecuted beyond all others (like Christ, maybe) points to the idea that that person is in the right). anyway, if someone is out to write a big polygamy story, I'd recommend subscribing to the listserv just to get a gist of the mindset. (for the most part, they seem like people stuck in a bad social situation they can't get out of, so they try to justify their position). Tom - --my wife, by the way, goes absolutely crazy whenever the topic comes up. We almost didn't get married in the temple b/c she feared that one day she would I would be commanded to take another wife. The topic of polygamy, in my opinion, is the absolute most difficult doctrine to accept, ever, as being godly. - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 21:57:05 -0600 From: "Mom's Hotmail" Subject: [AML] re: Polygamy When I wrote my personal history I touched on polygamy, because my = mother lived *the principal*, since her father had four wives. I regret = that my interest in family history and writing came *after* her death. = My mother was very honest and forthcoming and she would have answered = any question with frankness had I just asked. She was the poster child = for a positive spin on polygamy. I never remember her saying anything = negative about it. My friend grew up in the same area and had just the = opposite experience. Her mother could say NOTHING positive about it and = the negative effect poisoned four generations. My grandmother was the = only sibling in a family of 36 who lived polygamy and while she felt it = was difficult, she received comfort in the hope that she would be = blessed. She said she had a dream wherein her father, an apostle, was = sitting on the stand in the Tabernacle. There was an empty seat beside = him and he beckoned her to sit beside him. When my mother wrote about = her father, an early doctor in Cache Valley, she told about him driving = his horse and buggy to make house calls to patients on his way to the = office. She said that the horse was so accustomed to this routine that = one day when the doctor was delayed, the horse (having waited the = prescribed amount of time) proceeded to the next house on his own. I = have often thought that it would have been hilarious if he was making = calls on his wives instead of his patients. :) Most women would not be = able to live polygamy in this life, and some refuse to live it in the = next life as well. My mother's sister refused to be sealed to her = husband, whom she loved, because he had been sealed to his first wife. = This concept is not foreign to me, since my husband and soul mate has = also been sealed to his first wife. These are some of the far-reaching = implications that polygamy presents. The possibilities in literature = are endless.=20 Nan McCulloch =20 - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 23:36:07 -0600 From: "Jacob Proffitt" Subject: RE: [AML] Suspicion of Art - ---Original Message From: Thom Duncan > > While I agree with the goal of what you're saying (not > turning off our > good judgement just because something claims to be art) I personally > prefer to start from a neutral viewpoint, without any preconceptions, > and let the work tell me what it wants to. I find if I approach art > from a suspicious POV, it's harder for me to set aside my > suspicions and > appreciate the art as the artist may have intended. That would be nice if art couldn't have any negative effects on me. Art can help, it can build, it can teach, but it can also harm (or even just waste my time and/or money). I think that staying neutral only works for things you have no relationship with. Once you know something, anything, about a work, it's time to begin the judgment process. I didn't have to get past the title of the second Austin Powers movie to know that I wasn't going to be seeing it, for example. Titles, venues, who acts in it, who directs it, what reviewers said what about it, all these things carry important registers that help us to understand the work we expect to find. For most movies, I read a review and look at the trailer and decide if I'm going to see it. So far, I've never had to walk out of a movie. I've been disappointed because my expectations were too high, and I've been impressed when my expectations were too low, and I try to form a coherent opinion that is as generous as I can make it whenever I'm asked about it later. But I've given up on neutrality. John Cusack in a movie will almost guarantee that I'll like it and no amount of jollying me into being neutral is going to work. And the opposite is true with any song sung by Bette Midler. Jacob Proffitt - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 00:09:02 -0600 From: "Jacob Proffitt" Subject: RE: [AML] Polygamy - ---Original Message From: Richard Johnson > I think that speculative fiction could deal with the premise > that the Supreme Court could rule that polygamy in one, > many, or all forms is legal in a much closer time frame. > Criminal litigation now in place > could serve as a precursor to such a ruling. I have long > pondered the > potential effects. Ah, I think that the legal ramifications of polygamous marriage are much more interesting than the gospel ones. Heinlein has some interesting ideas along that vein. What do you do, for example, when a marriage can technically have no end? It kind of shoots the heck out of inheritance laws and the, erm, death tax. No fault divorce becomes kind of impossible as well. Who determines who can enter the marriage (one partner or all partners or a quorum)? Could you use a marriage to another to shield assets from government, divorce, or liability? Jacob Proffitt - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:58:27 -0400 From: "Debra L. Brown" Subject: [AML] Fw: MN Websites: Kent Larsen Newly Listed Mormon Websites: Desert Saints http://www.desertsaintsonline.com/ New monthly magazine aimed at members of the LDS Church in the Las Vegas area. Site contains subscription information, advertising information, pickup locations and contact information for the magazine, which will premiere in October 2001. Inspiring Artworks http://inspiringartworks.com/ Sculpture by LDS artist Dee Jay Bawden. Site includes images of his sculptures of Christ, which can be ordered online. >From Mormon-News: Mormon News and Events Forwarding is permitted as long as this footer is included Mormon News items may not be posted to the World Wide Web sites without permission. Please link to our pages instead. For more information see http://www.MormonsToday.com/ - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 08:17:21 -0600 From: Steve Subject: Re: [AML] An Iconography of Our Own on 9/5/01 4:50 PM, Todd Petersen at petersent@suu.edu wrote: > I'm not that sure that many people are doing it, really. I've met a few, > but they're not well-published. An LDS composer named Christian Asplund and > Brian Evenson did an avant-garde opera of the martyrdom of Joseph and Hyrum > that really freaked people out--Phillip Glass and F.W. Murnau meets church > history. Some years ago Eric Samuelsen and Murray Boren did an opera called--I think--"Emma." I wonder if you have a few minutes, Eric, to tell us about the philosophy and writing of the piece, and it's reception. If I remember correctly it premiered at BYU? Steve P. == skperry@mac.com - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 09:26:29 -0600 From: "Eric R. Samuelsen" Subject: Re: [AML] Material for Eric S. I should point out that Steve only posted this after privately sending me = material on the McDonald's scam and asking me what I thought of it. What = I think of it is that it's probably the greatest material for a play I've = ever seen in my entire life and I was up till two in the morning sketching = out an outline. I've got to figure out how to do it without getting sued: = any suggestions? But wow. Ever notice how the last three letters in = McDonalds are LDS? Eric Samuelsen >>> skperry@mac.com 09/05/01 03:47PM >>> Hi folks, Sure would love to read a play by Eric Samuelsen on the following: > Mormon Couple Arrested in McDonald's Scam >=20 > A Mormon real estate developer and his wife are among the eight people > arrested in a scam to defraud fast food restaurant chain McDonald's of = the > winning game pieces in its popular "Monopoly" and similar promotions. = Noah D. > "Dwight" Baker and his wife Linda Baker are charged with recruiting = friends > and relatives to cash in the winning game pieces, in a fraud that so far > totals $13.8 million. :-) Steve - -- skperry@mac.com=20 - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 09:48:27 -0600 From: "Benson Parkinson" Subject: Re: [AML] Polygamy Karen Tippets wrote: <<<<<< For someone to write a story of polygamy that exemplifies it without = ignoring=20 the warts--or without exagerating the warts & ignoring the values could be = a=20 real challenge. =20 >>>>>> I've been taking a break from fiction to work on family histories and have = had occasion to think often about plural marriage as I get into the = nitty-gritty with various ancestors. One thing that impresses me about my = grandfather's grandfather, Samuel Rose Parkinson, is how hard he worked to = make it go. For example he wouldn't tolerate his kids referring to each = other as "half" brother or sister. One of the great jokes was when Vivian, = his youngest child, was asked whether she were related to a Samuel C. = Parkinson (my grandfather's father). She said, Yes, distantly. He was my = father's first child and I'm the 32nd." Samuel R. was not amused, and he = told her that was why. In fact Vivian said the adult kids were always as = tickled to see their half-brothers and sisters at our annual reunions as = they were the full brothers and sisters. Another thing Samuel R. did was = hold family nights forty years before the Church did--meeting with one of = the three families once a week and all of them together once a month. = They'd solve problems, he'd teach them, and they'd have recitals, songs, = and treats. Susanna, another daughter, remembers that even when Samuel was = staying with another wife he'd slip over to Susanna's house at bedtime for = prayers and goodnights. There were 21 polygamist families in Franklin, = Idaho, where they lived, and Vivian says Samuel told her mother one day, = "I'd say there were 7 who lived it right, and we were one of the families = that did." Have a look at http://www.parkinsonfamily.org if you're interested. Ben Parkinson - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 10:31:40 -0600 From: margaret young Subject: Re: [AML] Fw: MN Newsweek Cover Takes Flawed,Skeptical Look at LDS Church: Kent Larsen 3Sep01 US NY NYC N1 If I read Debra Brown's forward accurately, it's from "Mormon News", right? Interesting response to an article that truly seemed (to me) to be fair. Oswald Balfour, one of the counsellors of the Genesis Group (LDS organization to support African American saints) told us at our last Genesis meeting that if we could swallow hard during the first paragraphs, the article is quite good. (His picture is on the cover--which in and of itself is significant. The cover paints us as a DIVERSE group, which is not how we're largely perceived.) It's clear that the article is written from an outsider's perspective, and that he (along with most outsiders) views us as rather odd, though his basic thesis is that we're getting less odd. He does not spend much time on the two aspects of our history the press usually addresses at length--polygamy and racism. He does not even seem to be condescending in referring to the revelation (and he uses that word) President Kimball received in 1978. I found the article to be interesting though not probing, and I felt none of my defensive juices coming to the surface. The truth is, NO outsider will ever write a story about Mormonism the way an insider would write it. No outsider has the context an insider has. Outsiders see our missionaries exactly as Woodward describes them--as uniformed, cookie-cutter, grinning kids passing out pamphlets which (as Richard Dutcher depicts so well in _God's Army_) most folks toss. Insiders understand what has happened in each missionary's life: He has gone from high school to the temple, and has made covenants which will bind him to his faith and his future. He has gone shopping with his teary, thrilled mom to find the most durable suits. He has had his family gather to hear him bear the testimony he will be bearing elsewhere for two years--even if it's just one weak, quivery sentence. He has had his stake president's hands on his head and heard personal instructions and blessings as he was set apart--not just for a calling, but from the world. He has put his white shirt over his brand new temple garments, told his girlfriend and his family goodbye, and placed his missionary ID on the jacket his mom helped him select. He has not ceased to be a boy, but is moving into the world surrounded by other new missionaries who will all attempt to actually make a difference. They will try to consecrate their time and their lives to God. They will do much more than the quick service projects they did in "Young Men's", but will be entirely devoted to service--and in some cases, may end up spending weeks cleaning up and rebuilding after a flood or a tornado or an earthquake. Each missionary will get letters from home and will miss even his bratty little sister. Many will get "Dear John's". Each will return to the family that saw them off, will report on his mission to the same man who set him apart, and then will be released back into "normal" life. As a Mormon mother of a difficult but brilliant 15 year old son, I am grateful for what awaits my boy. I know he will be perceived exactly as Woodward reports. I suspect that we "insiders" approach missionaries in foreign places with questions the "outsiders" would never think to ask: "Where are you from? What are your plans after your mission? How's the work going?" Others will see thousands of kids called "Elder" and shake their heads in a way that says not only, "No thank you" but "Do you realize how dumb you look?" You know what? It doesn't bother me. I know what I know and I understand that those without my context can't be expected to present the picture as I would. I think Woodward was admirably fair. His suggestion that we're becoming more "mainstream" is probably a predictable response to the Church's wide-ranging Public Relations campaign. Looks to me like it's working! My real question is, why do we get so uptight about our image? Is anyone really surprised that we're not readily understood and appreciated? I know at least one person who got truly angry over the article. That, to me, is sad. [Margaret Young] - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:05:07 -0600 From: "J. Scott Bronson" Subject: Re: [AML] An Iconography of Our Own On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:00:41 -0400 "Tracie Laulusa" writes: > if you are designing cover art for an LDS youth tape how do you > convey light vs dark, good and bad choices ... Dark clothes > could be very symbolic of spiritual darkness or wordly evil > without the artist trying toconvey any statement about judging > by outward appearances. The artist has this one picture to > convey a thought or idea that is often abstract. Well, it's circular logic at best. The photographer may not want the "audience" (so to speak) to judge the darkly clad individual in our daily lives as someone evil, but for "this" particular project (whatever it is) he certainly does want us to make that judgement. You know we spend a lot of breath (and cyber-space and time) complaining about how the images in the wordly media are assaulting us and our families with deplorable icons (heck, I was one of those who sent a letter to JC Penney complaining about one of their TV ads), so it seems to me that we should be just as vigilant in examing the images sent out by "our own" media. I think it's very possible to convey these polarizations without resorting to the simple way. For a project of my own which may some day come to fruition I needed a face for the cover. I hired a dear friend/fabulous actress (who refused payment but let me buy her some diapers for her baby) to come into a studio and take a few photos. She wore black so that only her face would show so every thing that I wanted to say with this cover had to come from her eyes essentially. I sort of directed the shoot by reminding her of some of the elements of the story. Not every shot is great, of course, but many of them are stunning. If this little book ever does get published I will be glad to have the audience make judgements about what they see, because what they will see is coming from what's inside and has nothing to do with the outward appearance. J. Scott Bronson -- Member of Playwrights Circle - ------------------------------------------------------------------ "The sun, with all those planets revolving around it and dependent upon it, can still ripen a bunch of grapes as if it had nothing else in the universe to do." Galileo - - AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature http://www.xmission.com/~aml/aml-list.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:27:29 -0500 From: Jonathan Langford Subject: [AML] AML-List Guidelines Folks, It's been a while since we've sent these out, so it seemed like a good idea to do so once again. This is pretty similar to what they've been before, with a few mostly minor updates. Jonathan Langford AML-List Moderator AML-List An Internet mailing list devoted to the discussion of Mormon letters Guidelines version 5.1, 8 September 2001 By Mormon Letters We Mean ... ... literature by, for, and about Mormons and criticism of same. We mean essay, family history, autobiography, children's literature, sermon, and the literary dimensions of scripture. Or join the conversation and come up with your own definition. 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