From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #470 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Monday, October 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 470 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:17:37 -0700 From: Jerry Tyner Subject: [AML] LDS Killed (was: The List and the WTC) Here are the names of two LDS members known to have lost their lives in the attack on the Pentagon: Brady Howell Rhonda Rasmussen Here is the link to the story on Meridian Magazine: http://www.meridianmagazine.com/journey/010921mourn.html We greave for our brothers and sisters in the Church effected by this tragedy but we must always remember it was a Nation that God established as free for the restoration of the Gospel and it is that freedom that needs to be defended. Jerry Tyner - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:41:59 -0600 From: Barbara Hume Subject: Re: [AML] Juanita Brooks Query At 10:56 AM 9/28/01 -0600, you wrote: >I really do wonder how she >managed to confront so much controversy and overt lying by Church leaders and >yet keep her faith and devotedly raise her children up in the faith. I suppose she has based her testimony on personal revelation and not on imperfect human beings. barbara hume - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:12:58 -0600 From: "bob/bernice hughes" Subject: [AML] Re: Southern Baptists and Disaster Relief >>I feel a need to save Southern Baptists from their wrong-headed >>Christianity, > >Hey! Wait a minute! >> >barbara hume > The Southern Baptists provide tremendous support in times of disaster to displaced families. They have developed a specialty for providing mass care in the form of food preparation. They have mobile trucks that are dispatched and manned by volunteers immediately after a disaster strikes; the trucks are equipped to provide meals to families who have lost their homes to hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, or just about any other disaster. They have one huge truck that can prepare 21,000 meals a day. The American Red Cross occasionally sets up emergency shelters (e.g. at WTC) in times of disaster. The American Red Cross will often engage the Southern Baptist Convention to prepare the food for the American Red Cross shelters. Who knows, you may see some of their trucks in Utah during the Olympics. You can see which other organizations are equipped to help in national emergencies at http://www.nvoad.org/members.htm regards, Bob Hughes (I'm the chairman of the disaster committee of the Salt Lake Chapter of the American Red Cross) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:26:04 -0400 From: "Debra L. Brown" Subject: [AML] Fw: MN Deseret News Accused of Forum Shopping in Tribune Lawsuit: Salt Lake Tribune 28Sep01 US UT SLC B3 Deseret News Accused of Forum Shopping in Tribune Lawsuit SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH -- One day after the Utah Supreme Court ruled that a Deseret News lawsuit against the Salt Lake Tribune Publishing Company must be heard in Salt Lake County, the News asked a Davis County Judged to dismiss the case, saying that the News would now file its claim in U.S. Federal Court. The move led the Tribune Publishing Company, which has a contract to manage the newspaper, to accuse the News of 'forum shopping' in its effort to move to morning publication and establish its right to veto any sale of the Tribune. The moves are part of the continuing war between the two newspapers, which are locked together under a 1950s-era joint operating agreement under which the two newspapers share printing, distribution and advertising sales functions, but not their editorial offices. Under the agreement, the larger paper, the Salt Lake Tribune, has control over the joint functions, and the News claims that the Tribune has used this control to prevent it from switching from afternoon publication to morning publication. But, now that the lawsuit will be heard in Salt Lake County, the Deseret News wants to move it to Federal court. "We filed in Davis County because we believed it offered the most neutral jury pool." said Deseret News publisher and president Jim Wall. "At the same time, we asked the federal court to let all issues involving the Deseret News be heard in state court," Deseret News publisher and president Jim Wall said. "The federal court has now decided that the Deseret News must be a party in the federal case and the Utah Supreme Court has held that we can't stay in Davis County. In light of these developments, it makes sense to have the issues heard in one place in federal court," Wall said. The newspapers' long disputes exploded into public last Fall when the Tribune's owner, AT&T, agreed to sell the newspaper to Denver-based MediaNews Group, the publisher of the Denver Post and many small newspapers around the U.S. The Tribune then sued MediaNews and AT&T, trying to overturn the sale and validate an agreement that gave the Publishing company, the newspaper's current manager, an option to purchase the newspaper in June of 2002. The publishing company sold the Tribune to Telecommunications, Inc., in 1997, about the same time that the Deseret News wanted to move to morning publication, as part of a tax-favored move to rid the Tribune of cable systems it owned. Part of the agreement included an arrangement that named the Salt Lake Tribune Publishing Company manager of the newspaper and gave the company an option to re-purchase the Tribune. But Telecommunications later merged into AT&T, which sold the newspaper to Denver-based MediaNews Group earlier this year. While the Tribune's lawsuit against MediaNews and AT&T originally involved the Deseret News, it removed itself from the lawsuit, agreeing to "not take any action" to prevent MediaNews from following a judge's orders if it weren't named in the lawsuit. But subsequently, the Tribune added issues to its lawsuit against MediaNews and AT&T that are important to the News, leading it to file the lawsuit in Davis County. The current Deseret News move makes it possible that the two lawsuits will eventually be combined. >From Mormon-News: Mormon News and Events Forwarding is permitted as long as this footer is included Mormon News items may not be posted to the World Wide Web sites without permission. Please link to our pages instead. For more information see http://www.MormonsToday.com/ - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:27:51 -0400 From: "Debra L. Brown" Subject: [AML] Fw: MN Utah Shakespearean Festival Box Office Declines; But Wins Expansion: St George UT Spectrum 27Sep01 US UT StG A4 Utah Shakespearean Festival Box Office Declines; But Wins Expansion CEDAR CITY, UTAH -- In the wake of the September 11th terrorist attacks, the Utah Shakespearean Festival has seen a 25-30 percent drop in ticket sales for its Fall season. But, in spite of the drop, the Festival, founded and run by LDS Church member Fred Adams, won an important ruling Wednesday that will allow it to proceed with a planed expansion. The Cedar City council voted 4-1 Wednesday to close a block of 200 West so that the Festival could use the block to create a two-block center for its programs. Festival goers have seen models of the planned center for several years which include closing the street, and relocating the USF's Adams Theater, a replica of London's Globe Theater of the time, to a location on the combined block that is now part of the street. The council's action makes these plans possible. However, the council action didn't come without opposition. Many in this predominantly-Mormon community attended the council meeting and spoke against the proposal. Former councilman Neil Carter said that closing the street would be an imposition to residents, "They (festival representatives) painted a pretty picture, but you can't get people to work, you can't get people to school and you can't get people to church if the street is closed." And Cindy Wright challenged the festival's claims that the change would boost property values, "I can't imagine parents buying homes right next to the festival. This will only make it worse." But Del Drummond spoke in favor of the change, "It really bothers me to hear these people say 'I'm a citizen and I pay taxes. Well, I pay taxes too. We're talking about an inconvenience for a few people. The Utah Shakespearean Festival makes this town. What other business gets the recognition the festival gives us? The benefits the festival brings to our city are far greater than the inconvenience of a few people." Meanwhile, the festival's sales this season have dropped as a result of the terrorist attacks. Just one week into the Fall season, a relatively recent addition to the festival's program, Managing Director Scott Phillips said that attendance at the plays is off by 25 to 30 percent, "Some nights actors are going out there to do a production before 100 people in a house that seats 750 people." He also expressed surprise at the drop, "Our phones have absolutely stopped ringing. I'm a little surprised because 98 percent of our people come by car, they don't fly. And Cedar City is a relatively safe place, all things considered. Still, we've had several callers from Las Vegas and the Wasatch Front who said they were fearful to travel here. I cannot fathom it." Fortunately, none of the acting company, several of whom have at least lived in New York City, lost family or friends in the attacks. But hotel operators in the city have noticed a decline in bookings. Still, with four weeks left in the Fall schedule, Phillips says the festival can still recover the Fall season, [Performing after the terrorist attacks is] "like a double-edged sword. We feel for all of those families in the East, but, on the other side, we want to provide a venue where people can laugh and enjoy themselves. That's great medicine." >From Mormon-News: Mormon News and Events Forwarding is permitted as long as this footer is included Mormon News items may not be posted to the World Wide Web sites without permission. Please link to our pages instead. For more information see http://www.MormonsToday.com/ - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 03:03:16 +0000 From: "Andrew Hall" Subject: [AML] Mormon Web Magazines Deseret Book this week introduced its new web page (deseretbook.com), which includes a pretty large web magazine called Mormon Life, with lots of articles and fiction by Mormon authors (http://deseretbook.com/mormon-life/). Before, Meridian Magazine was the only web site with a significant amount of new content every week (the Mormon page of Beliefnet.com continues to have a new article or two every month, and Harvest Magazine claims that it will be reopening soon). There is a lot of content on the new Deseret Book page, but it remains to be seen how much new content they continue to put on it each week. The magazine has sections on Mormon News, Gospel Study, Gospel Living, People and Places, Heritage, LDS Entertainment, Today's Woman, Marriage & Parenting, and Youth, with more than 25 total articles, including ones by Tom Plummer, Steve Covey, Jack Weyland, Patricia Holland, Gerald Lund, and Robert F. Smith (who promises to be a weekly humor columnist). The LDS Entertainment section includes several exclusive serial novels, a classic movie review column, and a monthly column by Michael McLean. I've only read a few of the essays, the best of which was one by Louise Plummer about her mother's Alzheimer's Disease. Speaking of Meridian Magazine, there are two new articles which appeared recently that I liked. One is by Marvin Payne, about going on with the show in the face of tragedy, and another by Dean Hughes, in which he uses his understanding of the World War II era to make comparisons with the nation’s situation today (www.meridianmagazine.com/). Andrew Hall Wenatchee, WA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:48:19 -0600 From: "Jacob Proffitt" Subject: RE: [AML] The List and the WTC - ---Original Message From: Gerald G Enos > I had to respond to the contention that no Mormons were=20 > killed in the attacks. I have heard no official comments on=20 > this but I do know of at least one member that was killed by=20 > the terrorists. I can't remember his first name but his last=20 > name is Howell and he was born in Sugar City, Idaho. He was=20 > killed at the Pentagon. He is also the little brother of one=20 > of my classmates at Sugar-Salem High and since Reagan is a=20 > member I would have to assume that his brother was at least=20 > raised a member. But I don't see why that would make a=20 > difference in our responce to this violent act. We are=20 > Americans and Americans were killed. The official announcement I read said that all Mormons in New York were = accounted for. That got translated by some miracle-seekers as no = Mormons died in the tragedies. > Who's right? In my=20 > opinion the person that is right is the one who didn't strike=20 > first. In this case Bin Laden would defend himself by=20 > claming the attack was in retaliation for wrongs done to his=20 > people by Americans. So who is justified in their responce=20 > and where does it all end? Afganastan has already promiced=20 > to fight back if attacked. Would they be wrong if they did? =20 > They are not all followers of Bin Laden. Are we justified in=20 > killing inocent people just because they did? Which side are=20 > we The Hatfields or the MaCoys? The Hatfields and MaCoys is a bad analogy because we aren't involved in = some feud that has gone on forever between two more or less equal foes. = We have not been the aggressors in the Middle East. We help to defend = our allies from time to time. Our foreign policy has no unifying = ideology, which is certainly disturbing. But that doesn't mean that we = aren't right to take on those who have decided to kill us unless we = capitulate to their demands. Jacob Proffitt - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:48:47 -0700 From: Jerry Tyner Subject: RE: [AML] Reasons for Evil (was: Religious Fundamentalism) I liked what Paris wrote. Sometimes Evil does cause amazing change. Think about the reaction of America since 9/11. Many people immeditely began to go back to Church and/or began to pray. The National Day of Prayer and the Sunday memorial services the weekend after were better attended than even Christmas or Easter some ministers said. Another thing which I heard about and experienced was how nice people began to be. A few people reacted with evil intents but the majority have changed for the better (except from some politians who will remain nameless). Think about when the Gadianton Robber attack the Nephites when they (the Nephites and Lamanites) had banded together and forced the Robber to come out of the hills. When the Robbers came they (the Nephites) all fell to their knees and prayed for strength. The Robbers thought they had fallen in fear - it was fear of God. The robbers were routed after a long battle. I'm not a strategist but it would be interesting to adapt the BofM strategy used against the Gadiantons against the modern terrorists. - -----Original Message----- From: Paris ANDERSON To: aml-list@lists.xmission.com Sent: 9/26/01 12:18 PM Subject: [AML] Reasons for Evil (was: Religious Fundamentalism) Eric Samuelsson wrote: I find this all very troubling. I certainly don't want to criticize = President Faust. But theologically, don't we have to believe that God = permits evil for reasons of His own,=20 I may be right about this (I usually am) but I believe evil exists so = that good can exist. Awful, terrible, bad things happen so that = wonderful, charming, very good things can follow. Awful, terrible, bad = things happened to the Jews in WWII, but they were given a homeland soon = afterward. A terrible thing happened on September 11, but something = good will come out of it. Maybe the good will be that all human beings = will stop ignoring some things that are important, (I've ignored them = so long I've forgotten what they were.) [Paris Anderson] - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 02:09:13 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] Fw: MN LDS Stress Expert's E-Book Free After Terrorist Attacks: Business Wire 27Sep01 US NY NYC A2 > NEW YORK, NEW YORK -- Stress management expert Dr. Glenn R. > Schiraldi's book, "The Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder Sourcebook: A > Guide to Healing, Recovery and Growth," will be available free on the > Internet starting tomorrow, courtesy of the book's publisher, > McGraw-Hill. > According to McGraw-Hill's press release, "The Post-Traumatic Stress > Disorder Sourcebook" will be available starting tomorrow at: > > Amazon http://www.amazon.com Well, if you can get this book free through Amazon.com, they're not talking about it. Nowhere on the webpage for that book is there any hint that you can get it free. But I did notice that the _average_ rating for the book from all customer reviews is 5 out of 5 stars. Sounds like a book worth getting free! - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 23:33:20 -0700 From: jltyner@postoffice.pacbell.net Subject: [AML] Re: LDS Killed (was: The List and the WTC) I replyed to this earlier at work but I just picked up this weeks Church News (for week ending September 22). I'm replying from home tonight. Here is what the Church is listing. Killed in the Pentagon: Rhonda Sue Ridge Rasmussen, 44 Brady Howell, 26 Missing at World Trade Center Ivan Carpio, 24, a resently baptized member of the Richmond Hill New York District who was working on the 107th floor of one of the World Trade Center towers. We weep for our brothers and sister from the Church lost in this tragedy but there is a larger story here. The members of the Church constitute 3 out of oround 7000 who lost their lives due to this heinous act of terrorism. A quote from Zion: The Long Road to Sanctification by Larry Barkdull, Lance Richardson, and Ron McMillan, when the army of Nod had been swallowed by the earth when they had been pursuing the people of Enoch to distroy them: "How can you rejoice, he cried, when so many of God's children have fallen?" The reaction of the Middle East disturbed me but we should truly mourn those who died without a knowledge of the truth. I think I cried harder at my father-in-laws funeral (and when I dedicated his grave for my wife) than I did for my own mother who was a long time and faithful member. He had absolutely refused to learn about the Church (my wife says afraid to learn about the Church - probably more accurate). He lived his full life of about 70+ years. Many of these people were young and for whatever reason had not received the gospel. I wonder if we will ever know if any of them were investigating when their lives were snuffed out. There were somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 members who worked in the towers. Some of them had to be doing their missionary work (one would hope). Okay, I feel better now that I have vented. Jonathan, feel free to edit this however you think it needs to be. Even if this doesn't get posted it made me feel better. Jerry Tyner [MOD: Thanks for sharing this information. I also see this as another personal response to the tragedy...] - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:45:05 -0700 From: jltyner@postoffice.pacbell.net Subject: Re: [AML] Fantasy Canon I'm sure by now Annette feels like "way too many titles", but I'll put my two cents in-These are a few titles that were around when I was in late elementary/early middle school years: Several titles by Edgar Eager including, "Seven-day Magic and "Half-Magic. Other books that border on Sci-fi/Fantasy genre: "Escape to Witch Mountain, (On which the Disney movie is based), and "The Forgotten Door". The unique thing about these particular titles is that they mostly take place in everyday life, not largely in fantasy worlds and address things like boredom, poverty, being different and dealing with narrow-mindedness yet they keep the story simple-unlike my posting! Good reading to you! Kathy Tyner - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:52:14 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] Juanita Brooks Query Thank you for the recommendation, Margaret. It's entirely possible that some of Brooks's scrap paper was burned. Check out Anna Jean Backus, WITNESS at Mountain Meadows. I discovered material AFTER PUBLICATION (which is now included in the second printing) that Brooks might have known but did not write. When the book came out, Leon Matheson came to me at a Cedar City signing and wanted me to talk to his 97-year-old father Alva. I sat down with him in his kitchen while he haltingly told me he had been a boy of eight years old playing on the steps of the mill when he heard with his own ears John Lee's working partner JOHN HIGBEE, tell some things that were not in Juanita's book. I added them as best I could (perhaps to the detriment of the point of my story). However, I still think my story came through as Michael Martindale so generously dealt with it in his review (as opposed to the ungenerous and inaccurate one in IRREANTUM). Michael said, "I felt Brown gave us some good insight into how it happened." He didn't always agree with my style, etc., but he didn't accuse me of inaccurate research for rumors I had only portrayed from the SETTLERS' point of view. Thank you. Marilyn Brown - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:49:56 -0700 From: harlowclark@juno.com Subject: Re: [AML] An Iconography of Our Own On Thu, 06 Sep 2001 16:43:52 -0400 Tony Markham writes: >=20 > When I heard him tell the story, he added one little detail that is worth > mentioning. Card said that the artist subtly positioned the man=20 > between two mirrors so that his pipe was caught in one of those=20 > endless reflections. >=20 > I'd love to know the publication date for this illustration. =20 > Anybody? >=20 > Tony Markham Searching for Card's name in the LDS Church Magazines CD I find him listed in the editorial staff ca. 1978-1981. When I looked in the Ensigns in our ward lieberry 9/23 I found his name on the masthead starting in 1977 and not listed after a few months of '78 though he continued to contribute. I looked through the TOCs for all of '77-'78 and didn't find anything that looked like it dealt with inactive men. I decided I'd have to look at each article in each issue, but by then Sunny Schoodle was over (or nearly so), so I went back yesterday (that's the day I believe in--It's easy if you try, Dick) and started with January 1977.=20 I didn't think it would be in that issue because that's the one about many different ways of preserving family histories, including the suggestion to get as much on audiotape as you can, interviewing older family members. But, viola! (Isn't she Donna's aunt?) there it was on p. 61 (I wrote down 81, but it was 61) of Jan. 1977 Ensign, Jed Clark's photo illustrating Jay A Perry's "The Best Day of Their Lives," about couples being sealed after years with an inactive or non-member spouse, who became active or joined the Church: "For 5,000 couples last year, married but not yet sealed, the temple was =85 the best day of their lives." The photo shows man reading the article we're reading. We're looking over his shoulder at a picture of him reading the article. His pipe is off to the side on a pipe stand. The man in the picture of the article he's reading is also reading the article, but in that third picture we see his face looking back at us, a bit distorted as though by a mirror. Interesting article. Starts with 5 quotes like, =93The day we were sealed in the temple was the day I really fell in love with my husband,=94 then tells about five couples, each account ending with one of the opening statements.=20 I didn't check later issues for letters to the editor, so I don't know if they actually published the letter. Harlow S. Clark ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:29:42 -0700 From: Jerry Tyner Subject: [AML] RE: _Left Behind_ (was: Religious Fundamentalism) I've seen the movie and listened to the book on tape. They were interesting but took a lot of license. Part of the movie had some doctrinal correctness (remember I said "some") but there was a lot that was interpreted by the beliefs of the film makers. Warning - some plot revelations. They portrayed a Rapture where all the "good" people are taken up to be with God and those who are not "believers" are left behind. The interesting part to me was how those "non-believer" became believer and the associate minister was also left behind with a video from the pastor talking about what happened. The thing I found problematic was the calamities this Rapture caused (car wrecks, plane crashes, train colisions, etc.). I like the person who became the BEAST. I didn't agree with it! I wonder how this movie would be made now after the events of "September 11th". As far a doctrinal commentary Bruce R. McConkie wrote a series of books called "Doctrinal New Testament Commentary" and from past study it has some good things (I'm going to start studying this again now). Babara - I feel like you. I'm not sufficiently spiritual to understand the Book of Revelations or Isaiah or the others (even though Joseph Smith said it was the easiest to understand along with Isaiah - nuff said). I see things happening that make me feel as if I'm seeing the signs of the times and the fig tree is rippening fast. I want to see a series of books that are LDS point of view of the last days. It might not be popular around the evangilical world but neither was God's Army. Jerry Tyner - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 05:39:40 -0700 From: "althlevip" Subject: Re: [AML] Juanita Brooks Query - ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.W. Rasband" To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 2:46 PM Subject: [AML] Juanita Brooks Query The October 2001 issue of "American Heritage" magazine contains a long article by Sally Denton titled "What Happened at Mountain Meadows?" It is a review of the controversy from its beginnings until the 1999 discovery of human remains at the site. Denton is described as "working on a book about the massacre, to be published by Knopf in 2002." The article is harshly critical in tone, and one allegation the author makes caught my eye. On page 84 she writes about Juanita Brooks, author of the seminal history of the massacre: "But only last year was it revealed that Brooks, herself a descendant of one of the participants, had admitted to burning crucial historical documents because 'they were just too incriminating' of the church." No source for this is given. Is this really true? I hesitate to believe it. The destruction of evidence is one of the worst sins a scholar can commit. Does list member Levi Peterson, the author of an excellent biography of Brooks, have any comments about this? ===== R.W. Rasband Heber City, UT rrasband@yahoo.com In an extensive research of Juanita Brooks' writing, correspondence, and manuscripts, I found no shred of evidence suggesting Juanita ever said or even might have said that she destroyed incriminating evidence about the Mountain Meadows Massacre. She made many attempts to get David O. McKay to give her access to documents about the massacre in the church's possession and reserved a greater condemnation of him and others among the apostles of her time for their refusal to grant her access to this suppressed evidence than she did of Brigham Young for having assented to the scapegoating of John D. Lee. This scarcely sounds like a person who would destroy evidence. The evidence that the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve suppressed, and continue to suppress, consisted of accounts of the massacre. The desire not to stir the matter of the massacre further is a sufficient explanation of this suppression on their part. Right or wrong, the general authorities have always favored protecting the image of the church by not discussing the massacre. It is highly doubtful that the suppressed evidence would incriminate Brigham Young or other general authorities. It is possible that it would have clarified further who among the local authorities authorized the final stage of the terrible event, the extraction of the immigrants from their fortifications through deceit. At least, this is what Juanita hoped. Levi Peterson althlevip@msn.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 08:09:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Veda Hale Subject: Re: [AML] Juanita Brooks Query Juanita Brooks is not a descendant of John D. Lee, so would have no reason to hide information for that reason. If anyone read Levi's book or looked into the work of Juanita I would think they would never assume she hid or distroyed documents. She was a close associate of Dale Morgan, a trusted historian and not inner circle Mormon. In all the correspondence with him as her advisor, she never mentioned anything like information that troubled her enough to want to destroy it. If anyone knows this author, I would hope they would reason with him. There has been enough grief over the affair without having a new batch of falsehoods printed in which an honest searcher of truth would have to wade through. Veda Hale - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 09:50:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Veda Hale Subject: [AML] WHIPPLE, _The Giant Joshua_ (was: Homogeneity in Art) Jacob Proffit "hated" THE GIANT JOSHUA. I'm searching to try to see his view point. But something he wrote at the end of his post of 9/28/2001 brought me a valuable insight. He wrote: ". We all make decisions about what hills are worth dying on and what battles we are willing to lose in order to preserve ourselves for the coming day. Perhaps our homogeneity can be seen as a form of preserving our strength for matters we consider more important." Whipple has Erastus Snow say on page 132: "But togetherness -- you couldn't whip the desert without togetherness. The Group Faith -- the ability to live outside oneself for something greater than oneself, to sacrifice oneself for the Common Good. Someday they would be strong enough to afford dissenters -- now salvation lay only in complete and disciplined togetherness. Except you be one, ye are not mine." ". . . . You have to be ruthless to colonize." And Orson Pratt Jr. who couldn't express a testimony in the standard way was excommunicated and left. My struggle to understand where Jacob is coming from in relation to THE GIANT JOSHUA was helped with this. Maybe the reason he "hated' the book so much was that he senses we need to "preserve ourselves for the coming day," and he feels paying attention to negative facts only decreases our homogeneity, which is our strength. Erastus Snow knew this. "You have to be ruthless to colonize" Maybe those in charge of our homogeneity have to chose their battles and some of the issues artists want to deal with are a threat "to the coming day," therefore artists who rub our noses in some facts of the past have to be ignored, even ridiculed in order to "preserve our homogeneity and thus our strength." Whipple seemed to know this. To me the message in the book is just that. So. polygamy was hard. So. Clory lived an unfulfilled life. So. a good man who didn't have an orthodox testimony was excommunicated. So. John D. Lee had to be sacrificed. So a lot of other unfair situations we don't like to know happened. The big battle was won. It was represented in the book as the people finally building a dam that conquered the river and saved the mission. Whipple didn't use the word "homogeneity" she used "togetherness" "The Grand Idea." It is interesting that the book came out in 1941 and that it was picked up by the armed forces and even many foreign countries as one to have in libraries because it inspired the value of "homogeneity" in purpose, which was so important for the struggle against Hitler and evil. I'm still struggling and rereading to find just where in the book Jacob sees that it "violates ...core doctrine..." is "faithless and misrepresentative of my faith because of the godless barrenness presented as truth." If anyone can help me, I'd appreciate it. I have spent 12 years writing Maurine Whipple's biography and Lavina is ready to help bring it to completion. It tells of a true talent who perhaps chose the wrong battle to fight. What do you AML writers think? If Whipple did chose the wrong battle to fight, what about the advice so often heard "to write what you know." That's just what she did. Veda Hale - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 09:50:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Veda Hale Subject: [AML] WHIPPLE, _The Giant Joshua_ (was: Homogeneity in Art) Jacob Proffit "hated" THE GIANT JOSHUA. I'm searching to try to see his view point. But something he wrote at the end of his post of 9/28/2001 brought me a valuable insight. He wrote: ". We all make decisions about what hills are worth dying on and what battles we are willing to lose in order to preserve ourselves for the coming day. Perhaps our homogeneity can be seen as a form of preserving our strength for matters we consider more important." Whipple has Erastus Snow say on page 132: "But togetherness -- you couldn't whip the desert without togetherness. The Group Faith -- the ability to live outside oneself for something greater than oneself, to sacrifice oneself for the Common Good. Someday they would be strong enough to afford dissenters -- now salvation lay only in complete and disciplined togetherness. Except you be one, ye are not mine." ". . . . You have to be ruthless to colonize." And Orson Pratt Jr. who couldn't express a testimony in the standard way was excommunicated and left. My struggle to understand where Jacob is coming from in relation to THE GIANT JOSHUA was helped with this. Maybe the reason he "hated' the book so much was that he senses we need to "preserve ourselves for the coming day," and he feels paying attention to negative facts only decreases our homogeneity, which is our strength. Erastus Snow knew this. "You have to be ruthless to colonize" Maybe those in charge of our homogeneity have to chose their battles and some of the issues artists want to deal with are a threat "to the coming day," therefore artists who rub our noses in some facts of the past have to be ignored, even ridiculed in order to "preserve our homogeneity and thus our strength." Whipple seemed to know this. To me the message in the book is just that. So. polygamy was hard. So. Clory lived an unfulfilled life. So. a good man who didn't have an orthodox testimony was excommunicated. So. John D. Lee had to be sacrificed. So a lot of other unfair situations we don't like to know happened. The big battle was won. It was represented in the book as the people finally building a dam that conquered the river and saved the mission. Whipple didn't use the word "homogeneity" she used "togetherness" "The Grand Idea." It is interesting that the book came out in 1941 and that it was picked up by the armed forces and even many foreign countries as one to have in libraries because it inspired the value of "homogeneity" in purpose, which was so important for the struggle against Hitler and evil. I'm still struggling and rereading to find just where in the book Jacob sees that it "violates ...core doctrine..." is "faithless and misrepresentative of my faith because of the godless barrenness presented as truth." If anyone can help me, I'd appreciate it. I have spent 12 years writing Maurine Whipple's biography and Lavina is ready to help bring it to completion. It tells of a true talent who perhaps chose the wrong battle to fight. What do you AML writers think? If Whipple did chose the wrong battle to fight, what about the advice so often heard "to write what you know." That's just what she did. Veda Hale - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #470 ******************************