From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #658 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Tuesday, March 26 2002 Volume 01 : Number 658 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:42:11 -0800 (PST) From: William Morris Subject: [AML] Re: News Story: White Supremacists in Utah?=20 Links to the news stories in the Salt Lake Tribune and Deseret News (may expire, but still valid as of the time I sent the e-mail out): http://www.sltrib.com/2002/mar/03212002/utah/721351.htm http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,380007396,00.html? Source of links: LDS Today -- http://www.ldstoday.com/ ~~William Morris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards=AE http://movies.yahoo.com/ - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:33:54 EST From: OmahaMom@aol.com Subject: [AML] re: YOUNG & GRAY, _Bound for Canaan_ So why can't we get it in Omaha? The owner of our local LDS bookstore said he had ordered it before it came out and still hasn't gotten any copies. One of the problems I see with LDS literature of ANY kind, is the difficulty that people outside of the mountain corridor have getting any of the materials unless they order directly from Deseret Book (or whatever publisher) themselves. It's as if they're jealous of anyone else who might want to sell books, but I'd think that the sale of books would be just as important as who sells them. And recently I actually saw our local Barnes and Nobles had half a dozen LDS titles. Karen [Tippets] - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 23:14:27 EST From: Paynecabin@aol.com Subject: Re: [AML] Not in Sunday School Debbie writes: << In the same lesson Kari Heber referred, to, you can't say Eve may not have had enough perspective to know whether it was better to have eaten the fruit or not. >> And it's interesting that (apparently) the only counsel Eve received in the matter was from the least reliable source imaginable. Yet most of us believe him as easily as she did! (C.S. Lewis explores another option in "Perelandra.") I certainly don't know if Eve's was the only way. What I do know is that God can take nearly any choice and turn it into a blessing, if we invite and allow Him to. Her righteousness in that regard is something you might even be able to mention in Sunday School. Marvin Payne - ---------------------------- Visit marvinpayne.com! "...Come unto Christ, and lay hold upon every good gift..." (from the last page of the Book of Mormon) - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:48:46 -0700 From: "Nan McCulloch" Subject: Re: [AML] News Story: White Supremacists in Utah? Sounds like the Klan is making noise all over the place. Do you just want Klan information wherein it relates to the church and in Utah or are you interested in the Klan per se? My daughter is working on a Masters Degree and doing a paper on the Klan. She is planning to attend a rally in Kentucky this week to try to get some information. She said that the NAACP will not dignify the activity by planning a counter-rally, but if one ensues, she will join in. If you want her e-mail address you can contact me. Nan McCulloch - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:12:54 -0700 From: "Nan McCulloch" Subject: Re: [AML] Neil Labute Interview I would love to ask Neil Labute about Renee Zellweger and her feelings about Mormons. When we lived in Katy, TX she lived just through the block from us. She and my son were good friends. One night he took her to a stake dance and they turned her away, because she had on a dress with small straps. My son said that she cried. He thought that she was a very nice girl. They remained friends for several years, although he hasn't heard from her since she did _Nurse Betty_. I would like to know how she connected up with Neil Labute. Nan McCulloch - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:47:24 -0700 From: "Paris Anderson" Subject: Re: [AML] _We Were Soldiers_ Someone wrote: I admit to vast curiosity. I have long looked at well done literature as an opportunity to vicariously experience and therefore gain further understanding of things that I have not or will not have the opportunity to actually experience. I don't know who first wrote that. I don't think it true. I've had some horrifying experience in my life. I've written about some of them. Some people who read those pieces said they felt dizzy and and wanted to throw-up after reading them. They assume that's how I felt when those experiences happened. They figure they have vicariously experienced and have come to understand. The truth is my only thought--my only feeling--when those experiences happened was: Where is it safe? Where can I go where it is safe? That's exactly how anyone who has those experiences would react. Unless they have spent the last few years training their bodies and their minds to react differently. Another man's pain is a sacred thing. I will never understand another man's pain, just as he will never understand mine. The best we can do is assure each other that LIFE is inevitable. One of the most meaningful things to ever happened to me was when I got fired from a summer job at a national park. A Viet Nam vet came up to me afterwards and said, "When I first saw you getting off that bus it was just like seeing myself when I first got back from Nam. Just hang on. It's gonna be OK." There's no way you can understand a horrible experience by watching a 20 reenactment of that experience. You'll probably even forget about it a year from now. Those 20 minutes don't include things like headlights with a blue tint that remind you of some other headlights you saw 25 years ago. And that night you take careful inventory of the room and notice what things are different from how they were twentyfive years ago. And that night you hold your wife's hand all night and you focus completely on her hand--because no one held your hand 25 years ago, and so her hand PROVES it isn't 25 years ago. A twenty minutes reenactment doesn't include being afraid to leave the room or go upstairs or leave the house or walk all the way to the other side of the block, because it might be Argentina out there (or Normandy, in Private Ryan's case).. (I mean no disrespect to vets out there. I don't mean to trivialize what you went through and probably continue to go through on occasion. I am not assuming that I understand. Please forgive me if I offened you.) Paris Anderson - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 00:41:50 -0500 From: Richard Johnson Subject: Re: [AML] Re-Introduction (Rex Goode) At 01:44 PM 3/21/2002 -0800, you wrote: >I found you!!!! > >I don't know how it happened. A few months ago, the messages from this = >list went down to a trickle and then stopped altogether. That was right = >after 9/11 and I wondered if people were just so upset by it that they = >weren't thinking about Mormon literature anymore. > Great to have you back. I thought you had just become shy for awhile. Richard B. Johnson Husband, Father, Grandfather, Puppeteer, Playwright, Writer, Teacher, Director, Actor, Thingmaker, Mormon, Person, Fool I sometimes think that the last persona is the most important http://www.PuppenRich.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 01:19:41 -0500 From: "Eric D. Dixon" Subject: Re: [AML] Re-Introduction (Rex Goode) Rex wrote: >Any questions? It's nice to see yer back. Especially after seeing yer face... Eric - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:13:03 -0800 From: "Levi Peterson" Subject: Re: [AML] Update On Our Son Thanks, Kathy, for letting us know that your son is doing well. The spate of discussion about missionaries coming home early that followed your first message on this topic interested me greatly. I think we should get up a panel on the topic for the Sunstone symposium in Salt Lake. Levi Peterson althlevip@msn.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:47:12 EST From: BroHam000@aol.com Subject: Re: [AML] _We Were Soldiers_ The article in Meridian Magazine about C.S. Lewis and Osama Bin Laden is relevant to this discussion. Linda Hyde - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:46:38 -0800 (PST) From: "R.W. Rasband" Subject: Re: [AML] LABUTE, _The Wicker Man_ >=20 > LaBute (IN THE COMPANY OF MEN, NURSE BETTY) will pen the script and has > decided to set his remake in contemporary America. No word on when > shooting stars. >=20 Holy cow! If this does happens, it could turn out to be really something.=20 The original is a cult classic, a very creepy horror film. Edward Woodward (of TV's "The Equalizer") plays a policeman sent to investigate the disappearance of a young girl from a community of pagans (lead by Christopher Lee.) It was written by Anthony Shaffer (author of "Sleuth" and brother of Peter) and is one of the most intelligent movies about religion I have ever seen. It satirizes both orthodox Christianity and paganism (although the Christian is treated not unsympatetically, and the pagans turn out to be more evil than you imagine.) You can see how LaBute could use this to comment on both fundamentalism and New Age spirituality. Although it's hard to picture Nicholas Cage as a virgin (a crucial plot point in the original:-) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D R.W. Rasband Heber City, UT rrasband@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards=AE http://movies.yahoo.com/ - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:54:43 -0800 (PST) From: "R.W. Rasband" Subject: RE: [AML] Neil Labute Interview - --- Clark Goble wrote: > ___ R.W. ___ > | Mormons can be said to have two sides to their character: an > | optimistic, can-do, almost-Transcedentalist side; and a very > | conservative, censorious, almost-Puritan streak. You have a > | very pronounced sense of sin in your work. How do you see > | yourself fitting in? > ___ >=20 > Doesn't _Nurse Betty_ embody both those aspects? When I first saw it I > saw > it as some unholy merging of Quenton Tarantino and Frank Capra. I think that is exactly right. Although some would argue that Tarantino is a moralist with a romantic streak (see the essay by Ron Rosenbaum in "The Secret Parts of Fortune", on Tarantino and Oliver Stone as the Fitgerald and Hemingway of the '90's--no kidding.) LaBute could make a real contribution to movies if he will bring a genuine religious sensibility that is not crippled by the narrowness of our evangelical Protestant friends. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D R.W. Rasband Heber City, UT rrasband@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards=AE http://movies.yahoo.com/ - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:28:51 -0700 From: "Gae Lyn Henderson" Subject: RE: [AML] Update On Our Son Kathy, You are very forthright in sharing this information. As I frequently mention on the list I have six sons. Three of them have served missions. Each time when they have returned home I've been shocked at some of the stories that they tell me--things that they didn't write home about. However, my sons would not be pleased to have me share any of their stories on a public e-mail list. So I can't discuss any of the problems they have faced, overcome, or struggled with in a similar forthright manner. Nor can I discuss the problems that some of my sons face at home in trying to negotiate with the church expectations and the culture. Nor do I want to broadcast my own stories and struggles. But if I were in a small group setting and I knew I could trust everyone involved and that there was no possibility of private information being forwarded to people who have no need to know, it would be very therapeutic and helpful to discuss many things! Gae Lyn > - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:31:52 -0700 From: "Cathy Wilson" Subject: Re: [AML] News Story: White Supremacists in Utah? I have not heard this story. But, on a very side tack, a few months back I saw _Sins of the Father_, a special on the real story of that movie, and a long movie biography of Woodie Guthrie. All of a sudden many of the questions I've had about the 1930's and 40's, and about some of our Mormon behavior and POV, crystallized into place. In all of the TV stuff, I saw the themes of patriarchy without question; blind obedience and swift, angry, violent punishment for perceived disobedience and disloyalty; the universal acceptance of inherent superiority (racial and gender); hierarchy and the powerful societal support of such hierarchy; and disempowerment all round. Up till the 50's the KKK was EVERYwhere in the United States, with membership in the millions. To me that means that we as a society received and embraced many of the notions underlying the KKK even though we may not have joined up. It was woven into our belief system and in some ways, we still carry many of these attitudes. There's no way to understand Woody Guthrie or Martin Luther King if you don't understand the huge pervasiveness of the above attitudes. If you've ever been in on a so-called "court of love," you may have had a first-row seat into how these attitudes may still prevail. I know a very faithful brother who has refused callings to be a bishop because he says he cannot participate in an excommunication. In many cases, the person being tried needs help! right away! and not punishment. Of course that is not universal, but even in cases where the offender has the potential to hurt others, the last thing he or she may need is to be punished. And in most cases, excommunication or disfellowshipment and similar outcomes are experienced by the person to be a punishment. Perhaps we think that the person receives support and an outpouring of love aftewards. . .but our leftover KKK attitudes make that not very real. You're in or you're out; you're good or you're bad; you're one of us, or brother you're not. I guess I'm on the rampage on this topic because in my freshman English class (comprised of 3/4 men, for some odd and unknown reason, and half of them returned missionaries) we had a discussion on these topics last Friday. It was very strange. In their heads, intellectually, they were all for equality, gentleness, acceptance. But in their hearts, when it came down to not getting their way or to dealing with someone who was perceived as disobedient to the "rules," they were very judgmental and intolerant indeed. And you could see them fighting themselves over it! It was very fragmented indeed. I can only imagine that this is because we still embrace, in many ways, those pervasive attitudes of earlier times. Cathy (Gileadi) Wilson Editing Etc. 1400 West 2060 North Helper UT 84526 - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:14:04 -0500 From: "Debra Brown" Subject: [AML] Fw: MN News Briefs: Kent Larsen 19Mar02 US NY NYC X1 LDS Author Tours US SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH -- LDS historic mystery writer Anne Perry is currently on a tour of the US, including two stops in Utah. Perry is promoting her most recent book, "Southampton Row," the latest of her mysteries Victorian-era mysteries featuring Thomas and Charlotte Pitt. Perry was last in the US last September, and expressed her thoughts about September 11th, "If you were British, you would have felt differently. We have been subjected to this for quite some time . . . The idea that terrorism can explode in front of you when you are doing your grocery shopping is not new to us. For people who would do this, the soft targets are the easy ones." Source: Perry Exits Victorian England, Prepares to Do Battle With World War I Salt Lake Tribune 10Mar02 US UT SLC A2 http://www.sltrib.com/2002/mar/03102002/arts/717817.htm By Melinda Miller: Salt Lake Tribune LDS Researcher Refutes Harper's Article on Biblical Archaeology PROVO, UTAH -- Michael D. Rhodes, an Associate Professor in the department of Ancient Scripture at BYU, says that archaeologists who claim that the Old Testament is a "false testament" are the minority, "There are, in fact, almost as many interpretations about the Old Testament as there are archeologists," said Rhodes in response to an article in the March issue of Harper's Magazine, "False Testament: Archeology Refutes the Bible's Claim to History." Rhodes says that in dealing with scriptures from any religion it is important to keep the limitations of archeological evidence in mind. Source: BYU researcher responds to criticism of Old Testament Utah co UT Journal 19Mar02 US UT Prov D2 http://www.ucjournal.com/ucjournal/pagespeed/url/News/story/489116 By Alf Pratte: Special to Journal Publications LDS Musician Finds Success, Love Through New Era Music Contest MESA, ARIZONA -- LDS musician Margo Edgeworth's passion for music has led her to study music at Arizona State University, and to win the New Era's music contest for six years in succession. And that contest even led to her marriage. Her husband heard her music performed while serving an LDS mission in Puerto Rico. Impressed with the music and discovering that she was from his home town, Elder Trevin Edgeworth determined to return and find the composer. They started dating and married in 1998. Now Margo Edgeworth has released her debut CD, and she performs regularly at LDS firesides and events. Source: New Era Music Contest Winner's CD is Sure To Be a Hit Mahonri.org 13Mar02 US NY NYC A2 http://www.mahonri.org/story/2002/3/13/94612/3402 Mormon Singers Seek to Sing Anthem for Stingers SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH -- At least one Mormon singer was among those who auditioned to sing the national anthem at one of the 72 home baseball games of the AAA Salt Lake Stingers. LDS Church member Aaron Karr, 13, of Salt Lake City, made a big impression with his sweet, high voice that echoed through the stadium. Karr has performed in several LDS Church productions and has been singing since he was just 3 years old. Source: Stingers Seek Anthem Voices Salt Lake Tribune 17Mar02 US UT SLC P2 http://www.sltrib.com/2002/mar/03172002/utah/720052.htm By Elizabeth Neff: Salt Lake Tribune >From Mormon-News: Mormon News and Events Forwarding is permitted as long as this footer is included Mormon News items may not be posted to the World Wide Web sites without permission. Please link to our pages instead. For more information see http://www.MormonsToday.com/ - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:14:23 -0500 From: "Debra Brown" Subject: [AML] Fw: MN Call for Papers: 2002 Salt Lake Sunstone Symposium: Sunstone News Release 16Mar02 US UT SLC A4 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Sunstone News Release To: Mormon News Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: MN Call for Papers: 2002 Salt Lake Sunstone Symposium: Sunstone News Release 16Mar02 US UT SLC A4 >From Mormon-News: See footer for instructions on joining and leaving this list. Call for Papers: 2002 Salt Lake Sunstone Symposium 7-10 AUGUST 2002 SHERATON CITY CENTRE HOTEL 150 WEST 500 SOUTH, SALT LAKE CITY SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH -- The Salt Lake Sunstone Symposium is an annual gathering of Latter-day Saints, scholars, and others interested in the diversity and richness of Mormon thought and experience and who enjoy pondering the past, present, and future of the unfolding Restoration. The symposium hosts discussions from all disciplines and presentations of all kinds. The symposium is based upon the principles of an open forum and the trust that both the cause of truth and the society of the Saints are best served by free and frank exploration and discussion. Sunstone welcomes proposals for this year's event, expecting all who participate will approach every issue, no matter how difficult, with intelligence and good will. TOPICS AND FORMATS. Symposium topics should relate to Mormonism, general religion, spirituality, or ethical living. Sessions may be scholarly papers, panel discussions, interviews, personal essays, sermons, dramatic performances, literary readings, debates, comic routines, short films, art displays, or musical presentations. SUBMITTING PROPOSALS. Those interested in being a part of the program this year should submit a proposal which includes a session title, 100-word abstract, a summary of the topic's relevance and importance to Mormon studies, and the name and a brief vita for all proposed presenters. PROPOSALS SHOULD BE RECEIVED BY 30 APRIL 2002 (to receive first-round consideration) and will be accepted according to standards of excellence in scholarship, thought, and expression. All subjects, ideas, and persons must be treated with respect, regard, and intelligent discourse; proposals with a belittling tone will be rejected. ART EXHIBIT AND AUCTION. High-quality art by Mormon and regional artists will be exhibited and sold at affordable prices. Donated works are needed! 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Third West, Salt Lake City, UT 84103 phone: (801) 355-5926 fax: (801) 355-4043 email: SunstoneSY@aol.com Source: Call for Papers: 2002 Salt Lake Sunstone Symposium Sunstone News Release 16Mar02 A4 >From Mormon-News: Mormon News and Events Forwarding is permitted as long as this footer is included Mormon News items may not be posted to the World Wide Web sites without permission. Please link to our pages instead. For more information see http://www.MormonsToday.com/ Send join and remove commands to: majordomo@MormonsToday.com Put one of the following commands in body of the message: To join: subscribe mormon-news To leave: unsubscribe mormon-news To join digest: subscribe mormon-news-digest - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:12:00 -0700 From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [AML] New Sugar Beet The latest uncorrelated Mormon news awaits you at www.thesugarbeet.com: Richard Dutcher and Wilford Brimley Duke It Out Star Wars and Gospel Connections Coincidental Dinner Party Guests Eschew Club Soda Log Flume Ride Announced for Nauvoo Mission Field Signs to Be Erected Starbucks to Open at BYU Rob Zombie Gets Inspiration from Scriptures Church Announces New Oversight Department Ward Clerk Reads Entire Priesthood Lesson in Advance Seminary Teacher Unveils "New Doctrine" Ask A Beehive Views from the Street: What Miracles Do You Expect from the Nauvoo Temple Dedication? Statgraph: What Are We Naming Our Children? - ---- If you were forwarded this message and want to join the Sugar Beet update list, please send your request with ADD in the subject line to chris.bigelow@unicitynetwork.com. If you want to stop receiving Sugar Beet updates, send your request with REMOVE in the subject line to chris.bigelow@unicitynetwork.com. - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:39:09 -0700 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] _Death of a Salesman_ Thom, there's always another chance! You still have MANY years until you're 60! (and 63.) I have to admit Willy Loman in DEATH OF A SALESMAN would be a good part for you! And you're right, the verbal duking it out on stage is absolutely fascinating. Cheers! Marilyn Brown - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:10:56 GMT From: "pdhunter" Subject: [AML] LDS at the Academy Awards Although Latter-day Saints have been nominated for and won many Oscars in past years, there weren't any nominated for Academy Awards this year. But there were some notable Mormon moments at this year's BIG event (24 March 2002). For example, Denzel Washington took home the Best Actor Academy Award for his villianous turn in "Training Day." In this movie Denzel calls his rookie partner (Ethan Hawke) a "Mormon" for refusing to use illegal drugs. During a tribute to documentary films, one of the clips shown was from the Academy Award-nominated film "Waco: Rules of Engagement" (1997). That film was written and produced by Michael McNulty, a convert to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (I don't recall seeing any footage from Norval MacGregor's 1913 film "One Hundred Years of Mormonism", which was the first feature length documentary ever made in the United States.) DreamWorks' CGI blockbuster "Shrek" took home the first-ever Academy Award given for Best Animated Feature. The film's first producer was John Garbett, the Latter-day Saint producer well known for making "The Other Side of Heaven." Garbett was producing the project when the late Chris Farley was still slated for Michael Myers' role, and there were major revisions after he left. So the final film is certainly not a "Garbett film" and he was not a recipient of the Academy Award. But it's interesting to mention and I'm sure Garbett is pleased with the film's success. (I'm sure that Bluth, Rich and Swan are glad to see feature length animated films finally receive their own category, although it would have been nice if it started fifteen years ago.) Cirque du Soleil performed an incredible live acrobatic tribute to special effects artists. The performance triggered an enthusiastic standing ovation from the celebrity audience. Regular readers of the LDS Box Office reports are fimiliar with Cirque du Soleil because they are the focus of Latter-day Saint cinematographer Reed Smoot's very successful IMAX film, "Cirque du Soleil: Journey of Man" (which has made over $13 million at the domestic box office). Salt Lake City joined in the Oscar fun as the pre-Oscar coverage show featured a live feed from an Oscar party in Salt Lake City, where Utah crowd answered Nicole Kidman for "Moulin Rouge" when asked who they wanted to see win the Best Actress Academy Award. Finally, there was a Lifetime Achievement Award given to the very deserving Robert Redford. Redford was never a member of the Church, but he is certainly a Utah resident, and he was married to a Latter-day Saint, Lola Van Wagenen, for 27 years. Redford and his in-law, Latter-day Saint filmmaker and film professor Sterling Van Wagenen, founded the Sundance Film Festival, which was mentioned during 's introduction of Redford, during the short retrospective film shown about his career, and during Redford's speech. - - Preston Hunter - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:04:51 -0500 From: "robert lauer" Subject: Re: [AML] News Story: White Supremacists in Utah? >From March 2000-September 2001 I was employed by MGA Films in Fort Collins, Colorado as a researcher and writer for a documentary film they were producing on the Oklahoma City bombing and TIm McVeigh's ties to various white supremist groups. I found out that, contrary to the belief that most groups are in the South, the majority are now in the Rocky Mountain states and in the Pacific Northwest. There are some in places like Arkansas. One in particular is called "Eloheim City." Though they have never had any association with the LDS Church or Mormon Fundamentalists, these white supremists have an entire race-centered theology built around the the tribe of Ephriam references in the Bible. They are also polygamists. Other such groups are found in Colorado, Idaho, Wyoming and Utah. (In fact one group had their church located just across the street from our studio. Talk about weird!) I would assume that many of the Mormon Fundamentalist sects and cults in Utah (rejecting the 1977 revelation on blacks and the Priesthood) would be considered racists. Since some also believe in Blood Atonement and are also suspicious of the Federal Government, I would assume they would appear on any list of potentially dangerous hate groups. ROB. LAUER - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:56:40 -0500 From: Tony Markham Subject: [AML] BYU International Cinema Reading the Winter 2002 issue of _BYU Today_ my attention was drawn to an article on the International Cinema. While a student there, back in 79-82, IC was one of the greatest programs going. So I was intrigued as to how it was faring and what was new. I read on p. 10, (attributed to Travis T. Anderson, assistant professor of philosophy and director of the program) the following: "The hot place right now for quality film is Iran. Not only are Iranian films artistically interesting, but because the Islamic code of behavior is so much like our own, they're perfectly suited to our audience." [Insert a series of inarticulate grunts and gurgles while my mouth tries to form words, but my brain is simply reeling*] Shall we make a list? 1) Bearded men with plural wives. No, wait...that was the old BYU. Maybe showing Iranian films are a way of preparing us for a loosening of dress and grooming* standards. 2) No, this is too easy...shooting fish in a barrel. I'll let the Sugar Beet take it from here. *Terrible pun alert Tony Markham - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:57:33 -0800 From: "Susan Malmrose" Subject: Re: [AML] _We Were Soldiers_ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ethan Skarstedt" > I admit to vast curiosity. I have long looked at well done literature > as an opportunity to vicariously experience and therefore gain further > understanding of things that I have not or will not have the opportunity > to actually experience. > Susan, you say that you have an understanding of what the young men > Michael mentioned went through and what they sacrificed for us, and that > you gained it without experiencing it yourself and without vicariously > experiencing it either. What's the secret? How did you do it? I didn't say that at all. I said I don't need to sit through *a movie* to gain an understanding. What I was reacting to (and it's a pet peeve of mine, I don't know if the original post even really meant to portray this attitude) was the attitude that I have to watch movies like Saving Private Ryan or We Were Soldiers in order to understand that war is horrible, and that people have made incredible sacrifices. Susan - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:09:36 -0800 From: JLTyner Subject: RE: [AML] Update On Our Son I feel I now know what the phrase "damning with faint praise" means. Lovely backhanded compliment that. And perhaps that explains why the Ensign uses "the name withheld" moniker. It saves the way some will view their fellow saints for sharing such intensely personal information and experiences. I imagine some people are very uncomfortable with feeling they are unpaid therapists for others problems and angst. There are certain topics even if shared anonymously that cause squeamishness. That being said, I would never share my son's experiences against his express wishes. I showed him the post I sent and this one and he's fine with them. Yes, writing about all this is cathartic for me. But I have also hoped to bring this subject up in order to generate thought and discussion. The perhaps selfish part of me feeling that a burden shared is a burden eased. We have had many people stop us at Church or e-mail us privately with their experiences and in some cases feeling better that we and they weren't the only ones going through or having gone through this or something similar. Levi has mentioned an interest in the topic and having a panel discussion of it at the Sunstone Symposium, which I assume by the AML announcement is in August. I am also aware that Chris Bigelow has finished a manuscript about his particlular mission experiences. So I am supposing there is an interest in this topic and related topics about Missionary life and experiences. I hope I have not offended the people on this list whose opinions I value and respect, forgive me if I have. Kathy Tyner Orange County, CA - -------- Original Message -------- From: Gae Lyn Henderson Kathy, You are very forthright in sharing this information. As I frequently mention on the list I have six sons. Three of them have served missions. Each time when they have returned home I've been shocked at some of the stories that they tell me--things that they didn't write home about. [snip] - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:34:52 -0800 From: "Jeff Needle" Subject: Re: [AML] YOUNG & GRAY, _Bound for Canaan_ Yes, we're lucky down here in San Diego. We have a Deseret Book store, and the local Borders Bookstore has a fairly good collection of LDS books. And, of course, there's always good old DI, where *everything* comes through sooner or later . On 22 Mar 2002 at 21:33, OmahaMom@aol.com wrote: > So why can't we get it in Omaha? The owner of our local LDS bookstore > said he had ordered it before it came out and still hasn't gotten any > copies. - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:11:37 -0800 (PST) From: William Morris Subject: [AML] Vicarious Experiences (was: _We Were Soldiers_) - --- Paris Anderson wrote: > Someone wrote: >=20 > I admit to vast curiosity. I have long looked at well done literature > as an opportunity to vicariously experience and therefore gain further > understanding of things that I have not or will not have the opportunity > to actually experience. >=20 >=20 > I don't know who first wrote that. I don't think it true. I've had > some > horrifying experience in my life. I've written about some of them.=20 > Some > people who read those pieces said they felt dizzy and and wanted to > throw-up > after reading them. They assume that's how I felt when those > experiences > happened. They figure they have vicariously experienced and have come > to > understand. >=20 I think that Paris has hit on something here. At first it depressed me.=20 If we can't have vicarious experiences through literature, then what good is it? And for me, the good of literature, its' effects and influences, is an important question. But then walking up to the bus stop this evening (walking jostles my brain which is a good thing in my case), I thought more about this idea. =20 Of course we can't truly understand. Our experiences aren't exactly vicarious because they are mediated through language. And language is slippery. The way we process certain images, words, situations, dialogue, sensory details is going to be different because we all have different experiences. The word vicarious suggests that we can share someones experiences. It suggests empathy and ability to feel what someone else feels. But feelings are proprietary things. Once translated into language they are changed, filtered, their clarity darkened, streaked with the failure of words. But words, and sounds and pictures (images) are all we have for the moment. The beauty and frustration of our communication with God is that he can speak to us in feeling through the power of the Holy Ghost (he speaks through language us well, but even that is changed to our own understanding, the weakness of our language). Stuck in this temporal existence with bodies of clay, our spirits can commune with God, but we're limited in how we approach each other. Our only recourse is to share sensory information. =20 So true empathy is impossible. It is always imagined. It is always assumed. And in that sense it is vicarious. For vicarious means sharing another's experience through imagination. But to truly feel? As Paris notes, there's always a feeling of safety involved in vicarious experience---you can always disengage. Whereas in the moment the only thought is to survive. But I think that this life is supposed to be that way. I don't think our spirits can totally handle true empathy---empathy that verges on omniscience, to know the inner man. This is our training ground and our five senses, and especially language, are our equipment. The power of literature, of all communication is that we try to understand each other, that we try to convey our experience anyway. All of us trying desperately to feel what others feel. All of us filled with creative energy, pouring it into work, family, art (or channeling it into to darker, destructive places). The amazing thing is that it works. Relationships are formed.=20 Communities gather. God is found. And sometimes the heavens are opened and our spirits are filled with intelligence. And none of it without the sensual experiences that we have, mediated through our language-bound minds and temporal bodies. Our spirits must be powerful, energy-filled things that we continue to reach out. To share. Even though, for now, our empathy must remain imagined. ~~William Morris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards=AE http://movies.yahoo.com/ - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #658 ******************************