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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:23:21 -0600 
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:13:08 -0600
From: "Clark Goble" <clark@lextek.com>
Subject: RE: [AML] Satan Figures

 ___ Annette ___
| From what we know, it looks like Lucifer didn't really "get"
| the plan at all. If he had, he wouldn't have bothered to
| tempt Adam and Eve, and instead would have let them sit in
| the garden forever,
 ___

Well he may not have "gotten" the plan.  But he at least knew what the plan
was.  So he knew how he could foil it.  So that is why his actions in the
garden and with Christ are so interesting.  They fit Satan's role as a
literary plot device.  However as a real person, his motivations must have
been much more complex.

Further our belief that this is but one of an infinite number of creations
suggests that Satan must have had "precedence" in what he did.  Perhaps we
don't know about it because it would seem to persuasive to us?  <Grin>

There's a great urban legend along these lines that is a mix of the Mormon
view of Satan with the more Faustus legend.  I heard it several times on my
mission and its such a great story I'll share it.

Basically this AP is pondering the very issues we're asking.  "What the heck
was Satan thinking?"  So unable to curtail his curiosity any more, the AP
foolishly prays to Satan to ask him about his side of the story.  Satan
shows up and has a long discussion going on into the night.  The next
morning the AP leaves the mission, goes out drinking and partying, having
been so persuaded by exactly what Satan's critique of God was.  The moral of
the story is, "don't try to understand Satan too much - he might convince
you!"  <Grin>

What is even more interesting isn't the question about whether Satan was
lying or not.  (If he was, it presumably was a lie that he may have believed
himself)  It was how believable Satan's position is.  It reminds me of that
quote by Neitzsche.

   Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the
   process he does not become a monster and when you
   look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you.

Which ties us back into our discussion of the Harris novels about Hannibal
Lecter.  The first book, _Red Dragon_, was about how a FBI profiler did just
that and went a little crazy.  In a sense _Hannibal_ (the book, not the
film) was about how Hannibal tried to do that to Starling.  I'd have to
reread the book, but I wonder if there was a sense in which it had happened
to Hannibal himself.  Ideas as a virus?  We see it with forms of abuse.  And
isn't the madness of a sexual predator a kind of evil we all fear?  Yet it
is an evil which reproduces itself.


 ___ Scott ___
| Which is the flip side of the widespread belief that Man is
| just another kind of animal. Our reactions may be complex, but
| we are just animals after all and don't have true agency; we're
| biological machines that must act according to our programming.
 ___

Of course this view has long been dealt with in the history of ethics.  It
was, for instance, a major issue for the Greeks.  The general response is
that we are limited by the various kinds of nature we are in.  (The nature
of our body, the nature of our circumstance, etc)  However despite this
nature we can *within* this nature exercise great choice.

For instance your cat doesn't *always* play with mice.  I've seen cats let
mice go - although I'm sure it wasn't for any sense of ethics or altruism.
Likewise we have many instincts, circumstances and so forth within which we
act.  Yet we still are free to a degree.

I think you'll find that "absolute freedom" makes no sense at all, even
though we tend towards that view in our literature at times.  It's always a
relative freedom from within the structures that define our existence.  The
fact is that some humans have more freedom than others.  How much freedom
does someone with a mental disability have, for instance?  (To return us
back to our notion of Satan figures - how about psychopaths)

Traditionally we like make this separation between humans and animals.
However I think what we have is a kind of gradation.


 ___ Scott ___
| (who is very, very interested in having private discussions
| about different people's ideas of an idealized Mormon society
| and how it would compare/interact with the rest of the world)
 ___

What's interesting is that our desire to understand evil and conspiracy
theories is really the attempt to understand their utopia.  In a sense the
quest for utopia is paralleled in terms of both good and evil.

Given that, I don't think we can speak of a Utopia without asking about a
utopia for whom and in what circumstance.  That seems a little beside the
point, but if the histories of utopias shows anything, it is that membership
is everything.  Just look at the various experiments in Utah with the United
Order.  And we have our own "golden calf" in our history.  We were promised
Missouri but failed to make our utopia.  While historians quibble over the
prophecies, the point often is that we failed because *we* weren't ready.

As for a utopia interacting with the rest of the world - well Enoch doesn't
give much hope.  Their interactions consisted mainly of war until the city
was removed.

For a real practical utopia, excuse my quoting of Pascal.  But this does
seem the best of all possible worlds to me here in America.  We still have
enough problems to keep life interesting yet we have enough righteousness to
keep life happy.  We even have what the utopias of previous centuries never
had: toilet paper, air conditioning and indoor plumbing!  Three necessities
for any utopia I can imagine.

You can have Orderville.  It didn't sound like any utopia I'd want to have
lived in.




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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:17:21 -0600
From: "Scott Parkin" <scottparkin@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [AML] Satan Figures

Annette Lyon wrote:

> From what we know, it
> looks like Lucifer didn't really "get" the plan at all. If he had, he
> wouldn't have bothered to tempt Adam and Eve, and instead would have let
> them sit in the garden forever, much like Scott is proposing Lucifer would
> have wanted us to. *That* would have messed up the plan. But somehow he
> thought that getting rid of their garden paradise would fit into his own
> purposes. I tend to side with D. Michael and others who believe that the
> force concept was real, for many of the reasons already posted.

It's a question that's at least partially irrelevant--whatever the original
natures of the two plans the fact is that Satan's plan wasn't implemented.
To try to extrapolate what Satan's plan was by looking at how he's trying to
mess up God's plan is sort of like trying to guess what a forger's original
artwork looks like by examining his fakes. We just don't have enough
information.

But it is fun to speculate.

My thought process works somthing like this--Satan doesn't particularly care
whether we progress or not, his only interest is in his own progression. But
to become as God he needs followers, and to get followers he has to create
an earth where they can dwell. So he tries to come up with a plan that will
ensure his own godhood without requiring any of the work (or pain) that
would be required to enable others to progress toward theirs. But he has to
spin it so he can get it past God so he adds the bit about ensuring that not
one soul will be lost--that's what God wants, after all.

But as you said, Satan just didn't get it. In his mind the easiest way to
ensure correct decision-making is to give people only one choice; you can't
go through the wrong door if there's only one door to go through, and you
can't fall off the path if it's bordered by sheer cliffs and no other paths
exist. Giving people choices, then forcing them to only select one requires
much more effort than only giving them one choice. Why create work for
yourself when you can just skip that whole nasty choice-thingy in the first
place and end up with the same outcome? Since his concern is his own
progress, not ours, there's no need to make the effort. In the end, what we
choose is essentially irrelevant.

When his plan is rejected (along with his entire methodology, assumptions,
and special place of honor) he gets more than a little peeved. He doesn't
just disagree and commit, he leads a revolution against God. At this point
one of two conditions seems reasonable:

1) He believes in his own moral correctness and is going to show God what a
stupid idea it was to choose Christ's plan, so he's going to do everything
he can to expose its flaws. But he doesn't really understand the foundations
of it so he thinks he can derail it early by interfering with Eve in the
garden--that's how he'd mess up his own plan, after all. Of course it turns
out he was wrong and all he did was progress Christ's plan, which ticks him
off even more. Now it's personal and he wants to mess it up as much as
possible--whether he gets personal benefit from it or not.

2) He knows that he's messed up and lost his chance to truly become like
God. But he knows that if he can get some people to deny God he can get the
castoffs from heaven and set up at least a shadow kingdom. Not as good as
becoming like God, but the best he can manage under the circumstances. To
get castoffs he has to lead people away from a true knowledge of God and get
them cast into outer darkness where he has control over them throughout
eternity and can function as a bad photocopy of God. To do that, there have
to be people with the ability to choose. For there to be people, there has
to be a Fall so he willingly does his part to progress the plan--not because
it helps God, but because it creates his only opportunity to gain followers.
That his goals temporarily coincide with God's is not a surprise because
Satan's revised backup plan requires that Christ's plan be in full force.

In either case, Satan's original plan was completely scrapped and messing
with Eve in the garden makes sense. On the rest of it...what does Satan gain
by trying to re-implement his plan by overlaying it on top of Christ's plan?
None that I can see. Now his whole effort is either in subverting Christ's
plan to prove a point or in subverting it to salvage whatever kingdom he can
(or both). Satan isn't trying to create his utopia any more, he's just
trying to destroy God's version.

The fundamental difference between the common view and my alternate is that
in the common view choice exists on this earth and is then taken away; in my
alternate the choice never existed--or at least not on this side of the
veil.

Again, we just don't have enough information to know anything for sure
except that Satan wanted to deny us agency. How he intended to do that is
anyone's guess; I certainly have no special insight into Satan's thought
processes. But I tend to mistrust discussions where only one option is
offered because it means that we may have stopped looking carefully at the
issue. So I offer a different view primarily to spur discussion and invite
contrast. If the opposition doesn't already exist, I sometimes try to create
it so that we can choose our beliefs by thought and consideration, not by
default--a viewpoint that really annoys some of my quorum and sunday school
teachers.

I've had a hard time with most of the Mormon apocalyptic literature I've
read because it tends to rely so heavily on this police-action idea. All the
futures looks pretty much the same--powerful governments oppressing the
faithful and no one else. Without denying that such a future is either
likely or correct, I'd still like to see versions that question the common
assumption and offer alternate possibilities. If enough different
possibilities are offered, we have a better chance of preparing ourselves
against any eventuality.

I'm about 160 pages into Linda Adams' apocalyptic novel and quite enjoying
it (book one of her Prodigal Journey series). She has many of the trappings
of a traditional oppressive future but she also has a sense of expanded
choice as well, and that's made the story far more interesting for me as an
individual reader. I make no general comments on the novel yet; there are
still over 350 pages to read and she may yet go south on me. But I'm
enjoying it so far as a more complex picture of the end days than I've seen
yet. I'll post my take on it in a review on this List when I finish it. I
will say this, though: Linda writes a much better sentence and tells a far
more interesting scene than most LDS writers I've read in the genre; she
already gets high marks for writing a book that I find hard to put down.

(Sorry, Linda, for taking so long to read it. Frankly, it's a combination of
size--well over five hundred pages--and the fact that I've been so
disappointed by past efforts from other authors. It sat on my nightstand for
a year before I read every other book in the pile. Now I wish I had read it
earlier. Remember--Mormons believe in repentence and forgiveness. <grin>)

Anyway, this post is long and I can't think of a clever way to end it so
I'll just stop.

Scott Parkin





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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:39:18 -0600
From: "Jacob Proffitt" <Jacob@Proffitt.com>
Subject: RE: [AML] Satan Figures

- ---Original Message From: Annette Lyon
>
> From what
> we know, it looks like Lucifer didn't really "get" the plan
> at all. If he had, he wouldn't have bothered to tempt Adam
> and Eve, and instead would have let them sit in the garden
> forever, much like Scott is proposing Lucifer would have
> wanted us to. *That* would have messed up the plan.

Not necessarily.  From what I can tell, Adam and Eve had a decision to
make--a choice between "don't eat the fruit" and "multiply and
replenish" (live forever or have children).  Temptation by Satan isn't
the only way that can happen--all it really takes is agency and a
decision.  I sometimes wonder (deep speculation mode) if other worlds
don't have more of an advisor than a Satan--someone who explains things
rather than advocating actions.  Assuming that Satan is aware of how
things could go (if, for example, it had already been done on other
worlds), then his goal isn't to keep them from eating the fruit (a
purely defensive action that could fall apart at literally any time).
I'd guess that he'd much rather do as much damage as he can in the
process, instead.  Like by making sure he approached Adam and Eve
separately and getting them to act unilaterally instead of jointly.  Get
a rift going between the sexes early.  That'd be *much* more attractive
to him, I'd imagine.

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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:55:29 -0700
From: "R Seagle" <res0v536@verizon.net>
Subject: Re [AML] Satan figures

Eric Samuelsen wrote:

Here's how I think the Council in Heaven worked. (My model requires that =
we accept pre-Adamic death.)  Lucifer said, 'look at all the other =
species we've created.  They live by instinct.  They fulfill the measure =
of their being by killing and being killed, and by eating and being =
eaten.  They are all intelligences, and they all have spirits, the world =
is a marvelous place.  Man is another creature, as they are.  Let him =
live as all creatures live.'  And Elohim said, "it won't work.  The =
intelligences we are about to form into the spirits of men and women =
can't live like that.  They are intelligent in different ways.  They =
must have agency.  They must be capable of making choices, moral =
choices, as we are.  Some will be lost, to be sure.  But their future =
growth depends on it.' =20


Here's another thought.  If Satan was a liar from the beginning, then =
isn't his promise that not one soul would be lost a lie?  Did he really =
even have a plan?  Or was it so much propaganda aimed at helping him =
supplant God?  That was his ultimate goal, right?  I don't think he =
wanted to share the crown.

This is my idea of the Council in Heaven.  Lucifer wanted God's throne, =
and being the politician that he is, he told the people what they wanted =
to hear.  Elect me and I'll make sure not one soul is lost.  He gives no =
detail for his plan, how he will accomplish it or what the personal cost =
will be because it is a lie.  There was no plan.  (Sound familiar?)

In another thread on this subject, and I'm going to have to paraphrase =
here,  someone wrote that a third of God's children elected to follow =
Lucifer because they were afraid.  They wanted to return to God, and so =
great was their fear of failure, they were willing to suffer the lash or =
force in order to guarantee their success.

I have a hard time believing their motivation was fear of not being able =
to return to God.  In fact, they came out in open rebellion to him and =
his plan.  By choosing Satan, they, in effect said, "We don't want you =
for our God.  We now chose Lucifer for our God."  Ironically, that's =
exactly what they got. =20

I think this is why, for my money, the best villain/ demon/ antagonists =
are the intimate enemies.  Your protagonist never even sees the knife =
until it's sticking out of his/her back.

I've been lurking in the background since I joined the AML list a few =
months ago, but this thread really pulled me in. =20

Rebecca Seagle


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Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 10:31:17 -0500
From: "Preston" <pdhunter@wt.net>
Subject: [AML] _Handcart_ (Film) Premiere

Kels Goodman has confirmed his previous announcement that
the release of his historical epic film "Handcart" will be
pushed back from the previously announced date of July 24th.
The film will probably be released in August, possibly
August 30th.

The editing has been completed, and the only thing the
filmmakers are working on now is the sound mix, but that
should be done by July 24th. The only reason the release was
delayed beyond July 24th is that the calender of big studio
releases was so busy this year, the theaters have asked the
"smaller", independent films to wait until after the busy
summer season.

Kels has stated there WILL still be a screening of
"Handcart" on July 23rd, as part of what will essentially be
a wrap party -- complete with entertainment, refreshments,
etc.

Preston Hunter, ldsfilm.com




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Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 16:09:07 -0500
From: Linda Adams <adamszoo@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AML] Satan Figures

Thank you, Scott! I'm glad to hear you're finally reading it, *and* that 
you're sorry you waited. I understand your hesitation and forgive the 
delay. If I were you, I'd be leery of struggling through a 500-page LDS 
apocalyptic novel, too. (But--voila!--it is not a struggle after all? I'm 
glad to hear that.) There *is* an unfortunate precedent that such books 
are  often poorly written, sensational, and illogical (not to mention 
frequently self-published and in sore need of editing and proofreading...). 
But that's a major reason I wrote the thing in the first place: to fix that 
problem and write something actually interesting and realistic. (And, I 
hope, well-written.) I look forward to your review, good or bad. You've 
gotten through more of these apocalyptic books than I myself can stomach (I 
could barely stand flipping through _Ephraim's Seed_ in the bookstore, 
which you reviewed on AML-List), so I can trust your judgment on how mine 
compares to the rest.

I did try to steer clear of torture-the-righteous scenarios that have zero 
foundation in logic.  There are, I believe, some "cheesy" parts in there 
anyway, perhaps including my own Satan figure, but where there is 
oppression it has a logical, human reason.

Scott is at the part my "tender" LDS readers call the "hard" part. I took 
them places they didn't want to go.

[There is a sadistic part of me that enjoys that. I also enjoy knowing I've 
caused people to lose incredible amounts of sleep. I lost enough myself, 
writing it. Payback!]

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:50:58 -0500 (EST)
From: bwoodwor <bwoodwor@indiana.edu>
Subject: [AML] Seeking B. Udall Panel Participants

Hi,

If anyone on this list might be interested in forming with me a panel on
Brady Udall's writing for the 2002 AML conference, please email me.

Thanks,

Brad Woodworth
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Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:48:48 -0500
From: Ronn Blankenship <ronn.blankenship@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Subject: [AML] Doc Smith Final Days

[MOD: For those who do not know, Marion K. "Doc" Smith (a nickname given 
after the legendary E.E. "Doc" Smith, of science fiction fame) was a 
professor of 
English at BYU, and was a longtime advisor and mentor to the science fiction 
and fantasy community at BYU, including _The Leading Edge_ magazine and 
Life, the Universe, and Everything, BYU's ongoing science fiction and 
fantasy symposium. Like many others, I owe him a great personal debt for the 
extensive time and attention he showed me, as well as for the community he 
helped to foster.]

Forwarded by request from Steve and Lee Ann Setzer <setzer@backfence.net>:



It is with heavy heart that I relate to you the news that Marion "Doc" 
Smith, our long time advisor and mentor, is in the final days of his life. 
He is at home receiving hospice care. He was somewhat sedated, and the 
doctors feel there is nothing more they can do.

Those of you who have worked with Doc for years know more wonderful things 
about him than I can possibly put in this email. We loved him because he 
loved us and trusted us with responsibility for the sf community at BYU.

Doc has been quite ill for several years now. Two years back my wife Lee 
Ann and I asked folks for some personal essays, thank you notes, etc. about 
Doc. I'm sorry we never finished up that project and delivered it. I have 
several essays, and I will be delivering those to his home today (Doc lives 
a mile or so from my house).

If you have thoughts or words you wish to share at this time, I would be 
happy to print them off and take them over this week. I am also willing to 
consider putting together a TLE/LTUE "Book of Doc" from these things.

Please let folks at The Leading Edge and on the various LDS-related sf and 
literary mailing lists know.

Steve Setzer





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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:12:34 -0600
From: "Cherry Silver" <cherry.silver@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: [AML] re: Call for Papers: Annual AML Conference 2003

I sent out a message inviting topic for papers and panelists for next =
years AML Annual Conference on "Directions in Mormon Letters."  Please =
correct the date.  That AML Conference will take place on Saturday, =
February 22, 2003.

I am pleased already to be hearing from some who have topics to explore.

Cherry Silver


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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:10:04 -0600 
From: Christopher Bigelow <Chris.Bigelow@UnicityNetwork.com>
Subject: [AML] New Issue of Irreantum

Now available, the AML's spring 2002 Irreantum contains the following. =
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Interview: Robert Smith, novelist=20
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Serpents in Our Midst: What Brigham City Tells Us about Ourselves,
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Memoir: Dutcher and Me, A. R. Mitchell

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Room for Solomon, Lisa Torcasso Downing
First, Linda Paulson Adams
The Salvation of Audrey Johnson, Edward Hogan
Harden Times, Susan J. Kroupa

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Relief Society Lesson in a Singles Ward, Kevin Peel
Metaphors, Leah Bowen

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