From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #790 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Friday, August 2 2002 Volume 01 : Number 790 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:31:40 -0500 From: "Preston" Subject: [AML] Kirtland, Nauvoo Documentary Videos Videos you may have never heard of yet: Kirtland and Nauvoo videos available from Steve Lemmons' "The Studio" (based in Hurricane, Utah). http://www.historickirtland.com/ "Kirtland Temple: The House of the Lord" documentary, plus a CD-ROM available. http://www.historicnauvoo.com/ "The Rebuilding of the Nauvoo Temple", VHS documentary, plus associated tapes, CD-ROMs. http://www.themountainmeadowsmassacre.com/ "The Mountain Meadows Massacre" documentary video webmaster, ldsfilm.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:30:27 -0700 From: "Jerry Tyner" Subject: RE: [AML] Millennial Economics "Richard R. Hopkins" wrote: >> 6. The law of tithing was given to the Church to replace the United = Order. >> There is some scriptural indication that a tithe (10%) represents the >> average amount that we would give back to the community (the excess = over our >> needs) if we were in the United Order. D. Michael Martindale wrote: >The law of tithing has been an eternal principle from the beginning. = The >United Order was an economic experiment Brigham Young performed, and in >each city it looked different. The experiment also failed. Tithing, in >fact, was still paid during the time of the United Order, but it was >paid by the various orders. I agree with D. Michael here. The United Order was not meant to replace = the Law of Tithing. But I want to add a part here. My feeling is the Law = of Tithing is a lesser law just like the 10 Commandments is the lesser = law as compared to what the Savior brought to the World when He = fulfilled the Law. What will replace the Law of Tithing is the Law of = Consecration. This (The law of Consecration) is not nor ever will be the = United Order! How this will happen and where will it start I do not want = to speculate. I'm not at the level yet to be able to be told or even = care right now. Can I live that Law? I believe I can and many others = will be able to as well. My guess is it will hit some people in a very = funny way because they will have preconceived notions of how it will = work and will not even be close. When my wife and I were struggling back = in the early to mid-1990s we swore if the Law of Consecration came then = we would have no problems living it because our debts would be washed = away because we were so poor. I don't think that will be part of the = plan but I still have no problem visualizing myself living this "Higher = Law". Just as an ending part - Everything we have and are living today is = prepatory for what is to come. What are we doing every day to prepare = for that day when the preparation is ended and the Higher Law is given? = Will we be like the Jews in Christ's time or the Nephites (at least for = a couple of hundred years after Christ's visit anyway)? I would hope and = pray I would receive those coming revelations with just as much wonder = and awe as I have those which were given over the most recent previous = 30 years of my life. Jerry Tyner Orange County, CA - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:53:36 -0600 From: "Nan McCulloch" Subject: [AML] Recycling Songs (was: Choose the Rock) Since I have been thinking about writing a piece about my life and = including songs that were important to me, I was interested in an Aug. = 5, '02 Time article _They Will Rock You_ written by Richard Zoglin. = Zoglin cited Paul Simon's struggle to write new music for his musical = _The Capeman_, "only to see it bomb with the critics and at the box = office." Then Abba let other artists take their hit songs, "graft them = onto a flimsy story about a girl looking for her real dad on her wedding = day and turned _Mamma Mia!_ into a smash hit on Broadway--and just about = everywhere else in the Western world." Apparently theater goers have = "fallen in love with rock--so long as it's retro." Other successful = examples are given. Years ago many of us did this with Roadshows--we = grafted appropriated songs onto our otherwise flimsy stories with great = results. There was also an excellent show on PBS where this idea was = successfully used. I believe the name of the show was _Pennies >From Heaven_. Have any of you playwrights used this idea successfully?=20 Nan McCulloch - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:17:39 -0600 From: "Thom Duncan" Subject: Re: [AML] English Departments Etc. > But I also recognize that postmodernism has some serious weaknesses that > make it harmfully non-LDS as well--like the absence of even potential > absolutes or standards. You do not refer, of course, to Joseph's words to Nancy Rigdon in his attempt to get her to accept his proposal for plural marriage (paraphrased): "What is wrong under one situation can be, and often is, right under another situation." What is less absolutist than that, a saying that suggests that marrying a married man may under certain conditions be wrong but may be correct if God commands it? Thom - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:51:51 -0700 From: "Bill Willson" Subject: Re: [AML] "Choose the Rock" Tony Keep the faith! I'm from the "MISSION FIELD" also. I now live in Utah. My oldest daughter studied classical guitar under a master, who had studied under Segovia. The first two pieces she learned to play were "The Day The Music Died" and "Mr. Bo Jangles." She went on to learn many of the more traditional classical pieces, and she even won some awards and one grand Championship in the annual California armature music festival. She had been used to being asked to play for Mutual, Sunday School Relief Society, and occasionally Sacrament meetings. While we were living in the very last ward we lived in before she got married and left home, the ward music director asked her to perform in a Sacrament meeting in which a friend of my daughter was having his missionary farewell. She accepted. Then the Bishop who had been born and raised in Utah and had a very musical family, singers, pianists, and organists, called and told my daughter she could not play her guitar in the chapel. She was crushed, but she got over it, and so did we. We're all still active, the gospel is true. I think these kinds of biases need to be explored in our writing and some basis or significance needs to be attached, so that there is a better understanding of what is doctrine and what is ingrained personal dogma. It's kind of like the withholding of recommends for facial hair, or for drinking Coca-Cola or Pepsi. Regards, Bill Willson - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:52:43 -0600 From: "Eileen Stringer" Subject: Re: [AML] Harry Potter Question - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Slaven" >I suspect Ms. Rowling either knew a smattering of Latin, knew enough about >English origins to be aware of Latin roots, and/or had a Latin dictionary to >hand when she made up the words for these spells. (She was a teacher, >apparently, so this should be no huge surprise.) But they have absolutely >nothing to do with runes or with Wicca. Ms. Rowling was educated at Exeter College and did have a basic classical education. Eileen Stringer - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:20:38 -0600 From: "Clark Goble" Subject: RE: [AML] English Departments Etc. ___ Jacob ___ | And since postmodernism is the tool they are using to | formulate their evaluations, postmodernism is, not | surprisingly, itself under attack. Since postmodernism | cannot be used adequately against itself and lends | itself better to liberal than conservative arguments, | it leaves conservatives who wish to pursue the liberal | arts with a frustrating dilemma--compromise their | integrity or find other work. ___ As I mentioned, postmodernism *has* been used against a lot of what Americans would call liberalism. Christopher Norris has written a lot on what happened to Marxism and what happened to Freudianism is well known. Now there are now new versions of those movements, but they have been radically changed in important ways by postmodern attacks. Further postmodernism has brought Christianity and God back into academic thought which, from an American point of view, is a clear move *away* from liberalism. (I keep saying American because the terms conservative and liberal aren't always that helpful. For instance libertarianism, which most Americans would call conservative, is actually classic liberalism. But I digress.) If I'd make a point, it is that postmodernism is neither conservative nor liberal. Now it is the case that many in academics are liberal. But that was true before the rise of postmodernism in America during the 80's and early 90's. It's just that postmodernism is the latest "fad" in the social sciences and humanities. To suggest, however, that postmodernism "lends itself better to liberal than conservative arguments" doesn't seem right. For instance postmodernism probably provides a stronger set of arguments against "PC Speech" than most arguments conservatives were making. (i.e. the arbitrariness of the sign and the ability to open up to readings of lines of power any sign and not just terms like "history" or even "mailman") Remember that the core of postmodern attack is to use the structures and assumptions of a text against itself. The problem with traditional liberal technique, especially in academia, is that it assumes a kind of priviledged meta-text that conservatives are not permitted to question. (i.e. in environmentalism the "value" of nature, in feminism the supposed reading of male domination, etc.) Because political liberalism (and political conservativism) rests upon priviledged meta-text I think that postmodernism is a very adept method of criticism. Further the "compromise their integrity" seems to suggest that one is compromising ones integrity if one adopts postmodern arguments. Yet it seems to me that the problem isn't postmodernism but that some conservatives wish to attack liberalism in terms of a particular approach to texts. Yet since postmodernism has rendered such attacks difficult the conservatives become frustrated. We see in the Sokal incident when the "conservatives" try to move beyond the "bad scholarship" issue. Of course the Sokal incident also illustrated the problem of making this a conservative vs. liberal issue. Sokal and most of his sympathizers are traditional liberals and *not* conservatives at all. They want a return to the more Marxist like liberalism of the 60's and 70's. ___ Jacob ___ | But I also recognize that postmodernism has some serious | weaknesses that make it harmfully non-LDS as well--like the | absence of even potential absolutes or standards. ___ It's important to realize that postmodernism does *not* make this claim. Social relativism arose in anthropology and became mainstream in the more traditional liberalism of the 50's, 60's and 70's. Probably the best known example of this was Margaret Mead whose critique of marriage and sexual mores in America is what most religious people mean when they attack relativism. I'd add that poststructuralism which critiques the underlying approach of anthropology does undermine such relativism by representing in western thought the notion of the transcendent. For instance the transcendence of the Other, such as found in Levinas' phenomenology, is a return to the absolute. It was a return to the absolute that liberalism's ground of "man is the measure of all things" was doomed to lose once it set upon that direction during the Renaissance. One could well argue that Nietzsche's cry of "God is dead" was a recognition of how liberalism's loss of transcendence entailed relativism and (to Nietzsche) nihilism. In a very real way postmodernism is the latest attempt to avoid this nihilism inherent in many forms of liberalism (whether they appear in political liberalism or political conservativism). The way in which this is done varies. It can be a return to a kind of religious transendence, as found in French postmodernism or it can be a return to a kind of pragmatism ala William James as we find in Richard Rorty. ___ Jacob ___ | Particularly when those abuses violate core postmodernist | principles by setting up an unofficial standard based on a | particular political philosophy. ___ Then isn't your criticism really that those claiming to be postmodernists really aren't? That they are traditional liberals who've simply wrapped themselves in the robe of postmodernists? It would seem that the obvious way to attack such movements is by making postmodern arguments. Yet it is that line of thinking which you seem to view as compromising ones integrity. The problem isn't "political postmodernism" but rather the fact that conservatives have basically decided to ignore the debate and decry the rhetoric. - -- Clark Goble --- clark@lextek.com ----------------------------- - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:59:52 -0700 From: "Bill Willson" Subject: Re: [AML] Unsavory Etymologies I'm not sure where I heard that reference about the acronym for unlawful carnal knowledge, but I was quite certain it was true, because it sounded so logical. I saw the Van Halen album and thought they were just copying the reference to the English police blotter. After briefly researching this, I haven't come up with a source as yet. I'll work on it a bit more. I know I heard it from a reliable source. Could someone please tell me what in the world, >innocuous beginnings, such as t**t, g*****j***v**m >and sw****7**st. translates to? or at least put in a few strategic vowels so I can decipher it??? I guess I'm not as smart as Barbara Hume's e-mail server. ;-) [MOD: Not to be a party-pooper here, but please make any such replies private to Bill, unless they are AML-List appropriate...] Regards, Bill Willson - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:07:29 -0600 From: "Annette Lyon" Subject: [AML] Article about Annette Lyon Thanks for posting this, Harlow! It's been a fun ride so far. I feel lucky that Sharon Gholdston put me in her column. Annette - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 01:14:31 -0500 From: Jonathan Langford Subject: [AML] Possible AML-List Oddities Folks, I'm experimenting with getting Andrew Hall (our assistant moderator) online to help with moderating duties as needed. From time to time over the next few days, some email messages will be coming from him, rather than from me. There may be some bugs as we try to work it out. Your patience is appreciated. Jonathan Langford AML-List moderator - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #790 ******************************