From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #804 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Friday, August 16 2002 Volume 01 : Number 804 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:47:44 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] Postmodernism Clark Goble wrote: > I should also add that I think the postmodern movement has a lot to offer > Mormonism. You academic types love to bandy this word "postmodern" about as if the whole world knows what you're talking about. Well, it may come as a shock to you, but I've no idea what postmodernism is. How about, once and for all, someone providing us a definition of what postmodernism is? - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:31:44 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] Unsavory Etymologies [MOD: No chance, Michael...] I absolutely love that I'm associating with a group of Mormons who, with no qualms and a straight face, discuss the etymology of the word "f---." (Next step: get same group to feel okay about spelling the word out without hyphens.) - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:05:15 -0600 From: "Eileen Stringer" Subject: Re: [AML] Sunstone Panel on Missionaries Returning Early Chris Bigelow wrote: > Meanwhile, we got much fuller-bodied Sunstone coverage over at the "new" > Tribune, with all the controversial stuff on leaving the Church, dealing > with ecclesiastical abuse, and continuing to figure out what Brigham Young's > role was in the MMM. Is it possible to post the Tribune article here as well since we received the Deseret News article here, for those of us who do not subscribe to either paper? Eileen Stringer - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:35:09 -0600 From: "Eric R. Samuelsen" Subject: Re: [AML] High School Literature Curriculum I'm just amazed that no one yet has mentioned Catcher in the Rye, which is = the book that saved me when I was a kid, or the Vonnegut books, esp Cat's = Cradle, Sirens of Titen or Slaughterhouse Five. Or am I dating myself?=20 Eric Samuelsen - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:19:24 -0500 From: "Preston" Subject: Re: [AML] High School Literature Curriculum Let me second the motion for Kristen Randle's _The Only Alien on the Planet_ , an EXCELLENT and enthralling book! And you can not go wrong with Zenna Henderson. Everybody who reads her People stories, especially any disaffected youth or people who don't feel they completely fit in, knows that Zenna was writing about THEM pesonally. Magical stuff, and nary an offensive word. And they're bite-sized. You can get the "People" experience with just one or two 20-page short stories. Preston Hunter - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:37:45 -0600 From: "Marianne Hales Harding" Subject: Re: [AML] Brigham's Theater >Brigham Young actively discouraged playwriting by the Saints, and the >Salt >Lake Theatre did very few new plays by LDS playwrights; less than >five, as >I recall, none of them very successful or popular. Eric-- Could you elaborate on this? It hardly seems right to be pro-theatre and not pro-playwriting! Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:48:38 -0600 (MDT) From: Ivan Angus Wolfe Subject: Re: [AML] Revelation and Style > I am struck by the irony of the exact same thing happening @ 2,000 years earlier > when Saul was on the road to Damascus and got his revelation. > > Acts 9:7: "And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a > voice, but seeing no man." > > But then later on in a different version of the same revelation we read in Acts > 22: 9: "And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid: but > they heard not the voice of him that spake to me." > > So which is it? Did they hear the voice or didn't they? > > Luckily the discrepancy in Acts was reconciled by the JST when JS emended Acts > 9:7 and finally set the record straight. > > Tony Markham The JST didn't need to fix it, really. This shows the ineadequacy of an English translation. The greek terms in both passages are different. In acts 9:7 it means "to hear (sound)" and Acts 22:9 it means "to hear (and understand)." - --ivan wolfe - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:01:39 -0600 From: David Hansen Subject: Re: [AML] Chaim Potok Dies > > > But let's not forget one salient fact: Potok was outcast from the > > orthodox Jewish community because of what he wrote. That was the > > price he paid, and it was for him a deeply painful one. I certainly > > hope that a Mormon Chaim Potok would not be excommunicated. But > > Potok, essentially, was excommunicated. A very sobering thought. > > > > Eric Samuelsen > > Eric, Could you document this? Potok was an editor for the Jewish > Publication League(Society?), his name appears in their translation of > the Hebrew Bible, and he spoke about the translation in one of his > sessions at BYU, which suggests that he was very much a part of his > religious community. He did suggest that he became a rabbi more for > intellectual reasons than spiritual, but I haven't heard anything about > Potok being as controversial as Phillip Roth or Noam Chomsky, who was > excommunicated by his synagogue when he spoke out (in the NY Times?) > against an Israeli massacre in a Palestinian refugee camp in the early > 80's. If he was as controversial as either of these authors I'd like to > read about it. I have a particular interest in authors who are cast out > or off by their culture. I don't know if this is stealing Eric's thunder, but I've been reading some of Potok's interviews on line lately. Here is one quote from the Seattle-Pacific interview posted here previously. http://www.spu.edu/depts/uc/response/Aut97/features/potok.html#1 Response: I think of Asher Lev's choice to paint the crucifixion as a metaphor for the pain experienced by his parents. As a Jewish writer, what kind of response did you receive within your own culture about this choice? Potok: It was not received well at all. The echoes of it continue to this day. I paid a high price for that book. But that's the job of a writer. You pay the price, but you have to be honest. If you're not, no one's going to pay any attention to you. And I made that decision when I was 16, 17 years old: that I would do it to the best of my ability. And I've been paying the price ever since. I mean I've paid other prices since the Asher Lev book, but that was a particularly steep price. Dave Hansen - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:05:02 -0600 From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [AML] Sunstone Panel on Missionaries Returning Early The Trib ran several articles, none on our missionary panel (sorry if it sounded like they had done our panel). You could try www.sltrib.com, but the search feature hasn't been working for me. Chris Bigelow - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:19:00 -0600 From: "Clark Goble" Subject: RE: [AML] Revelation and Style ___ Paris ___ | This really doesn't matter, but there is a metaphysical | counterpart to each of the senses, such as second sight, second | touch, second hearing . . .. Each of these is considered a gift. ___ !!! I don't think most accept that notion. Certainly there is the issue of distinguishing between a "virtual presentation" and a direct experience. This has been discussed in the literature and many philosophers actually argue that experience entails a repetition of our encounter. i.e. when I see I have the encounter of seeing and then I have a representation of this seeing in my mind. (Peirce argues along those lines, for instance) If we have a representation in addition to the presentation though, one can ask why once can't just have the representation. This then gets us into all those virtual reality questions that have of late become popular in Hollywood. (i.e. the holodeck in Star Trek or the _Matrix_) This obviously makes a tie between spiritual events and memory. Dennis Potter actually gave a very interesting paper on this at Sunstone. He was defending the notion of spiritual experience as a way of knowing. His argument is that if memory is somewhat untrustworthy but we rely on that, why should we treat revelation differently? If you "second sense" is really just this representation of a sense, then I'd probably agree with you. The gift in this case would be consciousness itself. I *think*, however, that you're adopting more of a New Age like discussion of the terms, which I find a little more problematic in LDS theology. That rhetoric is, of course, popular even among Mormons. (Especially in the 19th century) However I think our understanding of the phenomena is very at odds with second sight as a psychic ability. ___ Tony ___ | McConkie certainly implies that words were spoken and a voice | was heard. Hinckley certainly implies that no words were | spoken and a voice was not heard. ___ I learned very quickly on my mission that not everyone receives revelation the same way, even when it is obvious that the spirit is being experienced by all in the room. For instance I remember one company who recognized the spirit by a chill going up his spine while for me is was a general warmth and "excitement" that went through my entire body and was focused at my heart. Likewise not everyone carefully distinguishes between what are direct and indirect effects of the spirit. While giving a blessing for instance, thoughts enter ones mind but the thoughts aren't necessarily verbal even if they are expressed as such. Yet at other times I unconsciously convert such impulses into words in my mind, especially while praying at my bed. Perhaps this is what McConkie was doing and both actually were experiencing the same phenomena but simply relating how they related to that phenomena. ___ Tony ___ | Oh, if only we had a text, and then the prophet could set the | record straight with the stroke of a pen. ___ Like you, this is a pet peeve of mine. I think it tends to assume a na=EFve approach to the texts we do have. i.e. that they are something like the absolute univocal dictated word of God. When all the evidence points against that. I dislike this for two reasons. For one I think it limits how we approach the scriptures and how we let them work within our lives. Secondly I think it sets us up for anti-Mormon attacks which also tend to rely on just such a na=EFve hermeneutics. (Although more sophisticated Protestant critics note that such a view doesn't even fit the Bible) At the core is, I think, a desire to see all revelation in a manner akin to laws which lawyers encounter. The religious texts, unlike mortal texts, are the relatively univocal expression of natural law. While there is some truth to that approach to religious texts, the fact is that there are *very* different natures to legal texts and religious texts. Even in relatively legalistic portions, such as D&C 42 or the Torah. I sometimes wonder if Elder McConkie's legal background affected how he viewed scripture. And, less we forget, even within legal interpretation there are many kinds of hermeneutics -- including postmodern ones. - -- Clark Goble --- clark@lextek.com ----------------------------- - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:57:52 -0600 From: Russ Asplund Subject: RE: [AML] Institutional Repentance > >Perhaps that > > revelation had to wait for a time when people's hearts were in place, > both > > within and without the church, that it could be implemented without > > endangering the greater mission of getting the church established. > > > > I have a tough time understanding this explanation. All other churches had > addressed the race issue for at least a decade before we did. We were in > fact the last church to fully integrate. The rest of the religious > world's > hearts seemed to have been "in place" well before ours was. > I think we may have been slow to catch on -- but I was talking about the how the policy came to be. At the time of Joseph and Brigham, I don't think you could say the rest of the world's religions had dealt with the race issue. This was pre-Civil war, and the US. As a matter of fact, I'm not sure you could say that is true now. In South Carolina and Georgia, at least, churches are highly segregated. Yes, two churches in town may both call themselves Baptist churches--but one is black and on is white and neither gets along particularly well or does anything together. Bob Jone's University, near where I served my mission, made BYU look like the height of ethnic diversity. That's not integrated--that's segregated. Perhaps if the revelation had come earlier that' s what we would have gotten--segregation instead of integration. That is much harder to overcome, in a way. You would never have known it at the time. Some high-level Church leaders were teaching that the Civil Rights movement was a Communist plot. Political division among church leaders is nothing new. The founding of the League of Nations was seen by some as opening the door for the spread of the gospel, and others as the chance for the Anti-Christ to rule us all. In my mind, that is because we too often "build a fence around the law," substituting our own thinking to justify God's ways, and embellishing them--instead of just accepting them for what they are. And I dare say there were plenty in the rank-and-file of the church who thought it was a plot as well. Also a lot in the mainstream of White America. Which argues against your point that everyone was ready except the leaders of the church. It is my opinion that the rank and file of the church was ready for the priesthood change at least fifteen years before it was introduced. When I was on my mission in the early eighties, there were saints in the south who still could not accept it. You may have been ready. Many of us may have been. But trust me, even when it came it was difficult for those whose culture was steeped in racial division--which is true in more of the US than you seem to believe. Russell Asplund - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:57:10 -0700 From: "Bill Willson" Subject: Re: [AML] Institutional Repentance Thom wrote: >Snip >I have a tough time understanding this explanation. All >other churches had addressed the race issue for at least >a decade before we did. We were in fact the last >church to fully integrate. The rest of the religious world's > hearts seemed to have been "in place" well before ours >was. >Snip You must surely be joking. Most of the rest of the world's religions still has its black membership in entirely separate congregations. And in some parts of the United States, the white congregations have even burned down the meeting houses of their black counterparts. I have been in many wards and also in temples, and have sat next to my black brothers and sisters, I never have had a problem with this and I never will. >Snip >In most societal changes that most of us now accept, the > Church was at least a decade (and in some cases, two >decades) behind society >Snip IMHO it is good that we are a little reluctant to follow after the rest of the sheep, and accept societal changes that most of us [the world) now accept(s). Just looking at corporate ethics, our educational system, our entertainment industry, and the evolution of the family, for starters, I'd say we should direct our members in another direction. I think President Hinckley is wise to keep directing us in the paths of righteousness he has always aimed for. Regards, Bill Willson - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:19:57 -0600 From: Russ Asplund Subject: RE: [AML] Programs for Poverty > Or maybe Satan would say that. I caught snatches of the Satan Figures > thread, and it occurred to me that Satan, being very subtile would not > want to make a stark comparison between his way and Jesus's and would > probably present his as a way that preserves more freedom than Jesus's. > Under Jesus's plan we have to choose to be saved, but that means we don't > have the freedom to choose not to be saved. Satan would say that his plan > preserves freedom because we don't have to give up our freedom to choose > B when we choose A instead. > Odd connection to the music thread. One of my favorite singers, Robyn Hitchcock, has a song called "Judas Sings (Jesus and Me)" that addresses exactly that theme. Chorus: "Nobody loves you/But Jesus and Me/I have my reasons/So does he/I want your money, but he wants your soul." It is a good example of the type of song that is often misinterpreted by Mormon's--because you are not necessarily supposed to believe what the narrator of the song is saying. Since the narrator is saying the greed is more predictable, and therefore better than love--and I don't think Robyn himself would agree with that. Neil Conan (the non-barbarian) Oh, great, you just made me spill my Diet Coke. ;-) No throwing in bad puns without a warning. Russell Asplund - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:17:22 -0600 From: "Mary Jane Jones" Subject: Re: [AML] High School Literature Curriculum As a teen I loved A Tree Grows in Brooklyn by Betty Smith. Catcher in the = Rye didn't mean as much to me as did Franny and Zooey, also by JD = Salinger. One of my HS lit teachers introduced us to a lot of Russian and = African lit - I especially enjoyed Fathers and Sons by Turgenev and Things = Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe. =20 Mary Jane Ungrangsee - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:47:37 -0600 From: "Marianne Hales Harding" Subject: Re: [AML] Institutional Repentance >For example, when the rest of the world was accepting the working >woman, the Church was still preaching stay at home mothers. Working >mothers >as being acceptable has only recently become acceptable in this decade >under >President Hinkeley. Thom, the church is *still* preaching stay at home mothers (I refer you to the Proclamation on the Family). Perhaps people are more sympathetic to those who *must* work outside of the home, but I don't think you can say that then they preached stay at home mothers and now they don't. Marianne Hales Harding _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:57:15 -0600 From: "Clark Goble" Subject: RE: [AML] Postmodernism Jim Faulconer has a great introduction on his web page too that is more relevant to LDS people. I think I posted this last week, but will give it once again as it really is a great paper. http://www.nd.edu/~rpotter/pomo.html Here's an other set of definitions: http://www.colorado.edu/English/ENGL2012Klages/pomo.html This tends to adopt more the artistic sense of postmodernism, although the artistic sense is related to the philosophical sense. It is the conflating of these two approaches that sometimes causes all the debate which we saw last week. The following is an other good link, although I tend to agree with much less on this page. It comes from more of a religious vantage. http://www.geocities.com/athens/pantheon/3675/whatis.html One paragraph I like from the above is the following: The modern question, "Prove to me that God exists. I won't believe it until you prove it" has been replaced by the postmodern question: "I'm not sure if God exists or not. And if he does, the only way I can know that is if I experience him. How does one experience God?" Not only are these two different questions but even "how" we answer the questions are different. - -- Clark Goble --- clark@lextek.com ----------------------------- - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:03:45 -0600 From: "Eric R. Samuelsen" Subject: Re: [AML] Brigham's Theater >>Brigham Young actively discouraged playwriting by the Saints, and the = >Salt=20 >>Lake Theatre did very few new plays by LDS playwrights; less than >five, = as=20 >>I recall, none of them very successful or popular. Eric-- >Could you elaborate on this? It hardly seems right to be pro-theatre = and=20 >not pro-playwriting! Well, again, I made an assertion without evidence, because that's I wasn't = in the library when I asserted. I know it's true, though; there was = something of a battle over this issue in, I believe, the '70's. It's not at all incongruous. Playwriting is, by it's very nature, = subversive. Brigham Young was not interested in subversive literature. = He wanted 'safe' mainstream entertainment, not works written from, for, or = about the culture. =20 Eric Samuelsen - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:28:24 -0600 From: "Paris Anderson" Subject: Re: [AML] High School Literature Curriculum "Hatchet" by Gary Paulsen is a really good one. It's the story of a boy who survives a plane wreak, then has to survive a year of solitude in the wilderness. At least for me (a troubled teen who is going gray) when it was over I felt like a surviver too. Paris Anderson - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:31:33 -0500 From: Linda Adams Subject: RE: [AML] Revelation and Style At 02:33 PM 8/13/02, you wrote: > It isn't God dictating. >(At least it never has been for me) > >Most often what happens is that we study something out and get guidance in >our study and the a kind of confirmation of the final product. Um, at great risk of being called puffed up or holier-than-thou or some other epithet, I _have_ heard God dictate quite clearly on occasion, actually. But most of the time it is a feeling or confirmation or what-have-you, accompanied by the witness of the Spirit. Therefore I believe it could go either way, whichever is appropriate for the occasion. Linda =============== Linda Adams adamszoo@sprintmail.com http://home.sprintmail.com/~adamszoo - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:48:00 -0500 From: "Preston" Subject: [AML] Blair TREU, _Little Secrets_ Tom Baggaley: RAVES ALL AROUND for Little Secrets. Excellent film!!!!! In my opinion, Blair Treu is the best LDS director out there among directors only making family-friendly features films. A special rave for film editor Jerry Stayner. Wow!!! He was able to take the performance of a girl who didn't know how to play violin and was able to make even a musician like myself be able to believe that she was a child prodigy, a virtuoso. I don't know if it would have convinced an actual string player, but he did an excellent job nonetheless. The film is receiving a limited nationwide release =96 meaning it may or may not be released in your city. However, based on how it does in its first run theaters, that will determine a lot about the film' future as far as releases in other cities, video/DVD release and potential television broadcasts of the film. Inside joke - Emily, the character who is the focus of the film, supposedly has a crush on composer Kurt Bestor, who actually appears in the film on a televised orchestra performance she watches. In this performance, he is supposedly collaborating with Samuel Cardon, who Emily also thinks is the best =96 although not as dreamy as Kurt Bestor. The funny thing is that Sam Cardon actually scored the film =96 not Kurt Bestor. Okay, they poke a little fun and Kurt's picture appears in all kinds of places throughout the film =96 complete with lipstick marks =96 but really... Kurt Bestor? I knew teenage girls had strange tastes. Later in the film, another character refers to Bestor as a "middle-aged composer" -- a line actually written in fun by the director, Blair Treu. Salt Lake City and Provo locals will also recognize several of the locations where the film was shot =96 although the film does not specifically mention being set in Utah. One point Treu made at the preview last night is that if we want to see more and better-funded family-friendly films come out of Hollywood, these films must be supported in the theaters =96 specifically in the first-run theaters, not the dollar movies =96 and he wasn't talking about just his film, but all family-oriented films. Unfortunately, most families are fiscally responsible enough to be patient for the films to reach the dollar movies or the video release. However, the studios don't make as much money off of dollar-theater releases or video and base their decisions on how films do in first-run theaters, so it's important that good films with a moral are supported in this first run. So those concerned with such issues might reevaluate which movies they are willing to pay first-run prices for. [Tom Baggaley] - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:07:38 -0500 From: Linda Adams Subject: Re: [AML] High School Literature Curriculum At 03:42 PM 8/14/02, you wrote: >"The Outsiders" was a book that just blew me away as a teen but when I >recomended it to my own teen children they didn't have any sort of >connection with it. Has anyone else experienced recomending it to teens >(plain as well as deliquent) and what were their reactions? It was really >the "in" book among my very undeliquent teen group a million years ago. I >wonder if it doesn't wear well. > >Cathryn Lane I recently re-read it. It is very 60's with 60's slang and issues, and--though I recommended it first & still do--it might be too dated, now that I think about it. She also sidesteps around sexual issues that would be more directly confronted in more current books (one of the brothers probably got a girl pregnant, but it's sure veiled in the text), and uses no actual bad language (substituting "Glory" for the other capital-G word, for example, which I didn't mind.). Maybe it's too tame now, though it certainly wasn't when it was printed. It was controversial as all get-out when it first came out. If the kids can get past laughing over the descriptions of what was the grooviest car back then--or if you read it aloud and automatically update the cool clothing and hairstyle descriptions(and slang) to fit our decade--they might get into it. After all, it's a story about three brothers living dirt-poor after their parents die, with the oldest trying really hard not to lose his siblings to foster homes. Issues some of them could relate to. <<>> As for _Ender's Game,_ I'm scratching my head at what was wrong with it, there? I just read it a couple of months ago and am still amazed by it. (I keep meaning to write a review for the List and haven't.) What about it, exactly, bothered you? Do you mind me asking? I ask meaning that I honestly want to understand, that's all, not to judge anyone's taste. I've read many of Card's books and _Ender's Game_ was one of the most tame blood & gore-wise, language & sex-wise (aside from the Alvin Maker series, which still has its moments) of those I've read, but I've had to concede it was also the most incredible and amazing, and (I felt) deserving of the awards it received. And thinking on this thread more, reading the other responses, I second the motion to read Harry Potter aloud, and keep the lists oriented more toward genre books than "classics," and allowing them to pick from a large list rather than assigning specific books. I was never a delinquent myself, and even I rebelled at anything I was assigned to read or TOLD I ought to read--I still do. [Side tangent: That's why it took me so many years to read _Ender's Game_ in the first place, because everyone said it was wonderful and don't miss it. Now I'm sorry I waited, and I have four more books to read to catch up! Regretfully, grudgingly, I offer that it was his best book after all. Although, I have yet to read all of his works. Some simply don't interest me (Lost Boys, the Homebound Series).] Anyway, rare was the book I "had to read" in high school, OR college, that I actually liked. "A Tale of Two Cities" stands out as my exception to that rule. Linda ============================ Linda Adams adamszoo@sprintmail.com http://home.sprintmail.com/~adamszoo - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:14:20 -0400 From: lwilkins@fas.harvard.edu Subject: [AML] Orem Center Street Theatre: production schedule Quoting Thom Duncan : > Will you be coming back? Because we'll have a complete season running > through August of next year. > > Thom > There's a good chance I'll be back in Utah before next August. Perhaps if I knew more about the 'complete season' I'd be even more incentivized...? You have other productions in the works, I presume? - --Laraine - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:53:34 -0500 From: "Preston" Subject: [AML] Salt Lake Children's Film Festival Article in Salt Lake Tribune: http://www.sltrib.com/08162002/friday/762260.htm Excerpt from SLTrib article: "All five films feature children in lead roles; all are rated G or PG and are suitable for kids of all ages. None of them have big-name stars. But all carry subtle - -- or not-so-subtle -- positive messages advocating honesty, loyalty and decency in the face of temptation. And almost all were made in Utah by Utah filmmakers." Mentioned are: "Little Secrets" directed by Blair Treu "Princess and the Pea" directed by Mark Swan "No More Baths" directed by Timothy J. Nelson "The Penny Promise" directed by T.C. Christensen and Timothy J. Nelson "Children on Their Birthdays" directed by Mark Medoff. All of these directors are Latter-day Saints, except Medoff. (Medoff was nominated for an Academy Award for writing "Children of a Lesser God." Medoff was born in Illinois. I don't know his religious affiliation/background is.) Film descriptions "Princess and the Pea" (World Premiere) Feature Films for Families In this spectacular animated feature, stopping the King's scheming brother Laird, from gaining control of the ancient kingdom of Corazion can only be done with the power of a pure heart. Rated G. "Children on their Birthdays" (World Premiere) Crusader Entertainment Based on master American story-teller Truman Capote's 1947 short story of two boys' friendship and a couple of strangers who would change their lives forever. Rated PG. "Little Secrets" (World Premiere) Samuel Goldwyn/Tristar A heart-warming story of a girl who, for a small fee, keeps secrets and offers advice to guilt-stricken neighborhood kids. But what happens when she has secrets of her own? A poignant examination of growing up. Rated PG. "The Penny Promise" New Movie Corp. In this comedy with a conscience, Will Duncan, a science teacher with a heart for the truth (and the Judge's daughter), demonstrates why honesty should be everybody's policy even if he has to go to jail to honor a promise. Rated G. "No More Baths" Movies 99, Inc. When they come to the aid of a friend in need, Keagan McPhie, and the Glenwood Springs Kids Corp. remind their parents of the importance of being their brother's keeper by standing up for what they believe is right. Rated G. "Real Stories" Spy Hop/Sundance Institute Nine short films by young filmmakers participating in Sundance Institute's Youth Documentary Workshop at Spy Hop Productions. Rated PG. More info and schedule: http://www.ksl.com/TV/zads/slcff/ - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:44:22 EDT From: KGrant100@aol.com Subject: [AML] Church History Recommendations? Hi all, Yesterday a friend at work asked me to recommend to her some books (fiction or nonfiction) on the restoration and growth of the early LDS church. She's a wonderful, intelligent lady who converted from Christianity to Judaism some years ago. (I was a little surprised at her specific request, but I'd also been praying for opportunities to share the gospel, so this is interesting :) ) The Work and the Glory came to mind, but I haven't read it, and I've heard both positive and negative comments about it. I also wondered about Margaret Young's books (Standing on the Promises) and Winds of War. I'd be interested in any comments on these books, as well as suggestions for other books. I'd like to choose books that would make it more likely that she'd gain a testimony, rather than less likely :) ) Thanks! Kathy Grant - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:51:25 -0800 From: Stephen Carter Subject: RE: [AML] Revelation and Style >===== Original Message From "Clark Goble" ===== Indeed many of the significant sections >of the D&C with respect to doctrine are taken from notes of Joseph's sermons >which are very fragmentary in nature. Most of what we take to be so unique >about Mormons are primarily what we call the Navuoo doctrines. But the >Nauvoo doctrines are themselves doctrines that appear to have evolved >somewhat and which never appear in anything like a primary revelation. >Rather it seems that Joseph studied a lot out in his mind and then got >confirmation. Being ignorant, I was pleased as punch to read this. I have been bothered for some time by the seeming washing out of Christ's character in the Doctrine and Covenants. The witty, trenchant, mystical yet practical man I like so much in the New Testament, seems to have donned a three piece suit, strapped on a Rolex and taken up accounting in the Doctrine and Covenants (no offense to accounters, whose dilligence and patience is light years beyond mine). He is pretty windy in the Book of Mormon too, but not as bad as he seems to be in the Doctrine and Covenants. Before this very pleasant moment, I had wondered if people really do lose their personality once they get ressurrected. At the bottom of my heart I believed that they didn't, but most portrayls of heavenly beings leave a lot to be desired in the character department. When I meet God, I hope he makes fun of the knot I used to tie my heavenly robe closed. Stephen Carter Fairbanks, Alaska - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:24:53 -0600 From: "Rachel Ann Nunes" Subject: [AML] Stansfield Writer's Workshop Thought some of you might be interested in this workshop offered by Anita Stansfield, who is a very popular, best-selling author in the LDS market. Rachel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Key to the Kingdom Productions presents-- A day with award-winning, best-selling author, Anita Stansfield If you've always had a story inside of you, nagging to come forward, this is your opportunity to unlock your own creative powers and learn to express your thoughts effectively. Saturday, August 24th, 2002 Provo Library at Academy Square 550 North University Avenue, Provo Registration 8:30 a.m. Workshops from 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Handouts provided $99.00 at the door or $89.00 with preregistration. Student discounts available. For more information call 229-1650 - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #804 ******************************