From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #873 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Friday, October 25 2002 Volume 01 : Number 873 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:36:28 GMT From: dhunt_aml@juno.com Subject: [AML] Getting Started with LDS Screenwriting I've been writing LDS genre novels off and on for the last fifteen years, and inspirational poetry before that, but am considering a move into LDS screenwriting. I watch ten times more movies than I read books, so I think it makes for me to make this change, but its into uncharted waters for me. A few years ago, I took a writing course from Dave Trottier, the author of "The Screenwriter's Bible," and I bought his book, but that's about it for my exposure to screenwriting, aside from reading scripts from a few movies that I've seen. I also have a cousin (wife's cousin, actually) who is an actor and likes to make his own amateur movies. He's been in a couple of Disney Channel movies and stars as Joseph Smith in a new church video. I think he also starred as Joseph Smith in the production that the church put on with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir during the Olympics. Anyway, he and I have gotten together and decided to pool our talents. I want to write a simple script for him to produce. Nothing fancy, just something to get our feet wet and have fun. Hopefully I can gain a little experience with scripts so that maybe I can actually produce something that might be marketable later on. I'm not new to writing by any means, but I do want to try my hand at something new and possibly shift my writing focus, given the current advances in LDS filmmaking lately. Is there anyone who can give me any advice on how to get started into screenwriting? Or possibly more specifically, into LDS genre screenwriting? I would LOVE to get any help from anyone who's been doing this. Also, I'm looking forward to the writers conference and meeting you all again. See you there! Darvell Hunt Saratoga Springs, Utah ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:12:33 -0600 From: "Eric R. Samuelsen" Subject: Re: [AML] Teaching at BYU Fred Pinnegar wrote: >First, people who complain about teaching at BYU have not taught long = >enough >elsewhere.=20 >Having taught at three major institutions and a dozen smaller schools, I = >love >BYU. =20 I agree with Fred on this point. I've taught at two other schools, and I = also love BYU. I plan to stay here for life. I love the kids, and I = enjoy my colleagues, and the bureaucratic nonsense that exists here, and = the limitations on academic freedom, while galling at times, are no worse = than those that prevail at other institutions. Having said that, we = should acknowledge that there are limitations on academic freedom, and = there is a certain amount of bureaucratic nonsense. To say 'well, it's = bad other places too,' while true, does not also mean that we shouldn't = acknowledge genuine problems here, and work to overcome them. Eric Samuelsen - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:22:09 -0600 From: "Annette Lyon" Subject: [AML] Re: Single Bishops Eric Samuelson said: What's the difference between an active, devout, caring, spiritual single man and a married one? He's got a wife. Maybe we women make a bigger difference than we know . . . When my father was called to preside over a mission and my parents were in training, they were told how mission presidents were called. Something along the lines of--they look for someone deeply spiritual, committed, hard working, good looking, and so forth . . . and then call her husband. : ) Seriously, there are probably lots of reasons, but I think one might be the fact that a bishop would be able to help his flock better if he understood what most of them are living. A married bishop has been single, but a single bishop (not divorced or widowed) wouldn't know first-hand what marriage is like. Just a thought. I'll have to pass on some of these single bishop posts to my husband, to defend Brigham City. One of his complaints about both it and GA were that they had circumstances that could never happen, the single bishop in BC and a missionary dying of cancer in the field in GA. At least I can vindicate the former complaint--although I must agree that no mission president would be allowed to keep an elder with a terminal illness. Not that the fact kept me from enjoy the film. Annette Lyon - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:08:44 -0600 From: Cathy Wilson Subject: Re: [AML] Johnny Lingo > Alan Rex Mitchell wrote: Just remember, its Ugly Duckling storyline and > message of kindness to homely women have made it a powerful cultural symbol. Arrgh! I know that Alan didn't intend unkindness, but that term "homely women" is exactly what pains us. So many of us doubt our beauty and no "message of kindness to homely women" (ouch! ouch!) is going to change that. What we NEED is a message that we are loved outside of the realm of our looks. Seriously, I never believed I was beautiful till I remarried (almost 50) and now I'm almost sort of perhaps starting to believe it. The media messages of what our culture (at the moment) decrees is beautiful are too overwhelming. What if Mahanna was truly plain and Johnny Lingo, the gorgeous great catch of the universe (another dilemma--is ending up with a handsome hunk necessary to the happy ending? Are any of the men in the audience cringing because they know that they aren't really such a handsome hunk as Johnny?) still adored her. Now that would be an encouraging story. Cathy Wilson - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:33:54 -0600 From: Melissa Proffitt Subject: Re: [AML] SAMUELSEN, _Peculiarities_ (Review) On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:54:19 -0700 (PDT), R.W. Rasband wrote: > The most dangerous segment of the play is "NCMO" (somebody should ask >Samuelsen what this title means; it's probably an abbreviation the hip >people already know.) It stands for Non-Committal Make Out and is pronounced "nic-mo". = Meaning, when two people get all passionate and kissy and don't want anything else from the relationship, but stop short of physical intercourse (or = sometimes it's just one person who sees it as a NCMO, which seems a lot sadder to = me). And no, I don't know this from personal experience. It was a common term when I was at BYU. Melissa Proffitt - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:41:30 -0600 From: Melissa Proffitt Subject: Re: [AML] Single Bishops On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:29:37 -0600, Eric R. Samuelsen wrote: >As far as single bishops go, though, here's my question. What's the = difference between an active, devout, caring, spiritual single man and a = married one? The single one, presumably, has never had sex. So am I = missing something, or is it the official position of the Church that sex = confers wisdom, or spiritual insight, or some other bishoply attributes?=20 But the married one doesn't go out and have sex with just anyone; he has = it with his WIFE. From what I hear from bishops, a wife's support is = essential to success in their calling. But I suppose your theory could be tested, = if you could convince a married bishop to go celibate for a few months.... Melissa Proffitt - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:01:03 -0700 From: "Richard R. Hopkins" Subject: Re: [AML] Starship Mormons Jim Wilson wrote: > I don't think the > current band of Gadianton robbers sometimes called Al Qaeda would be > impressed by an Anti-Nephi-Lehi kind of demonstration. They wouldn't stop > at a mere 2 or 3 thousand dead. For those who might consider putting the Anti-Nephi-Lehi scenario in a fictional setting, you should know that the trick used there wherein more joined the Church than were killed is par for the course. It was the same during the Roman persecutions of the Christians. Far more people joined the Church than were put to death by the Romans until the Romans wised up and stopped trying to kill them. Later persecutions were aimed exclusively at notable leaders, scripture burning, and the taking of Church property. Whenever one of the later Emperors forgot and started killing Christians willy-nilly he was always reminded of the facts of life by a huge increase in the ranks of the Christians. Richard Hopkins - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:24:26 -0600 From: Barbara Hume Subject: [AML] Re: _Brigham City_ At 05:34 PM 10/22/02 -0400, you wrote: >You'd be surprised how many negative criticisms I've received as a result of >including events, characters, props, wardrobe, etc., based on my own life >experiences. I bought Brigham City the other day and showed it to my family. They all thought it was great. They tried in vain to guess who the killer was ("It's him! No, it's him! No, it's her! No, it's gotta be him! No, he's too obvious!") and they all understood what Wes was going through about denial. My daughter has a friend whose uncle was bopping all the little girls in the family, but nobody would believe it and he kept right on sitting up on the stand every Sunday. Her sister married at 15 to escape from that--the first guy who asked her. She's the young woman who was recently murdered in Spanish Fork by that very guy she hoped would provide her safety from the pedophile at home. My daughter's friend told on her uncle and he lost his job as a teacher. The friend was scolded for washing the family laundry in public, and the perp had his lawn mowed by the Boy Scouts in the ward while he was awaiting trial. Wes did not want to admit that there are black sheep in the fold, but he had the intelligence and integrity to face up to it when it was right in front of him. Some among us still refuse to admit it. barbara hume - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:41:12 -0600 From: "Scott Parkin" Subject: Re: [AML] Starship Mormons Nan McCulloch asked: > When we were in India we came across a religion or sect that sweeps before > they walk or sit, because they don't want to kill even the most > insignificant insect. I have read about them, but can't remember all the > details. Does anyone remember the name of this group? I don't have time to > look it up. I believe those are the Jaina. Depending on who you talk to, Jainaism is viewed as either an early form of Hinduism or as a separate religion that predates Hinduism. They have a similar philosophy of reincarnation to the Hindu, though without the caste system. They believe that the works of your previous life determine what kind of creature you are in this life, but have a much more liberal view of how one begins the path toward enlightenment. Basically, any animal of five senses (pretty much any mammal) has the ability to reach the fourth level of enlightenment and set their feet irrevocably on the path toward enlightenment (a concept not entirely unlike our own concept of "calling and election made sure"), at which point all carma will drop away from the soul and it can rise to the top of the universe to unite with the divine. Since all animals (I'm not sure what their take on plants is) contain a spirit with equal potential to all other animals (humans included), all animals (including insects, spiders, and arguably bacteria) are viewed as equivalent in worth. So the orthodox Jaina go to extraordinary efforts to preserve animal life, including using a peacock feather to brush small insects from their path so they don't inadvertantly step on them, and wearing a cheesecloth mesh across their mouths to ensure they don't accidentally inhale a gnat or other flying insect. They tend to be strict vegetarians, and to intentionally eat as little as possible to maintain their own health. One of the fundamental paradoxes of Jaina philosophy is that to live one must eat, and to eat one must kill. They can't simply stop eating because then they would be guilty of the inten tional death of an animal--themselves--with the result that they would regress in the cycle of lives and doom themselves to another turn of the wheel. Since plants are viewed as the lowest of all forms of life, they are consumed as sparingly as possible and with profound respect (I recall a statistic that devout Jaina eat a starvation diet of about 40% less than would be considered necessary for minimal health; I can't confirm the validity of the statistic, though). I once wrote a fantasy short story about a Bengal tiger that reached the fourth stage of enlightenment (out of twenty four total stages) while literally in mid-chew of our POV character. Jaina philosophy founded the basis of my world creation and I did a fair amount of reading on it ten years ago. Their deep respect for life changed my own approach. While I won't sweep the ground of bugs before I sit and I still eat plenty of animals, I've at least taken to shooing most bugs and spiders out of my house rather than simply squashing them like I used to. FWIW. Scott Parkin - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:38:09 -0700 From: "BJ Rowley" Subject: Re: [AML] Sealings of Children > > >(I >don't think you can break a sealing with a dead spouse, since they have to >give their consent, but presumably the sealing could be broken in the >afterlife, if all parties agree.) > I'm sure it's extremely rare, but it has been done. My sister was temple-married to a returned missionary, and they had had three children born in the covenant when her husband died in an accident. At that point, he had been inactive for some time. I don't know all the details, or the exact justifications or processes involved, but I DO know that several months after his death, their sealing was anulled or broken (or whatever the correct term), and she re-married in the temple, for time AND eternity, and was sealed, along with the three kids, to her new husband. They have had three more since then, and all six are theirs. - -BJ Rowley - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:54:17 -0600 From: Cathy Wilson Subject: Re: [AML] Reading in Church I took courage from your posts and took along a book last Sunday--_Bonds that Make Us Free_ by Terry Warner, which, by the way, is hitting my top ten list, a book that I, the last of the cheapskates, would by buy the box and give for gifts. It is an extremely important book. When I'm all done reading it, I will definitely review it for the list. However, I think my family was less embarrassed by my reading this book than my usual Sunday behavior, which is drawing sketches of people in my sketchbook :). Reading the book and sharing passages with my 16-year-old as I went along, I assure you that I had a much much better time in Sacrament Meeting than I've had in a long time. Thank you for emboldening me :). Cathy Wilson - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:03:37 -0600 From: Cathy Wilson Subject: Re: [AML] Sealings Barbara Hume wrote: > At 10:21 PM 10/16/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Being widowed doesn't make Mormons single. (And > >technically, neither does divorce.) > > Ewww! Then I'm glad I got divorced before I joined the church! > You know, of course, that when two previously temple-married and then civilly divorced people want to be sealed, the wife's former sealing is cancelled while the husband's remains intact and he is given a clearance for the subsequent sealing. I guess there are good reasons for that, and definitely there will always be free agency. Still it makes me think that despite our protestations we Mormons remain ambiguous about polygamy. Cathy Wilson - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:15:08 -0600 From: "Scott Parkin" Subject: Re: [AML] Starship Mormons D. Michael Martindale wrote: > I think somewhere in the middle of writing it, [Stranger > In a Strange Land] the real Heinlein was devoured and > replicated by an extraterrestial pod creature, because his writing was > never the same after that. Actually, while writing _Stranger In A Strange Land_ Heinlein had a stroke, and it's been argued that his altered brain physiology did in fact change the way he both viewed the world and how he communicated that viewpoint from that point on. In many ways he literally became a different person after the stroke. Which raises an entirely different set of issues about how physiology affects both perception and our ability to choose, and what that means in terms of agency. But that's a completely different topic... Scott Parkin - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:26:39 -0600 From: "Gae Lyn Henderson" Subject: RE: [AML] Johnny Lingo > Jim Wilson said: > I haven't heard of a culture yet that values women any better. Beauty is > always valued, and there is nothing that will change that. If a woman doesn't happen to be beautiful, then where will she find her value? I believe that in Mormon culture where it is preached from birth to death that a woman's highest glory is in marriage and motherhood that an unattractive woman has an especially difficult time. Yes I agree that one's smile, energy, intelligence and personality can make a big difference. Physical beauty is not everything! However, women that are significantly overweight or that have severe complexion problems, may have a difficult time dating, much less being proposed to. Yes, they can tell themselves that in the next life they will have a chance at marriage, but again that is a long time to wait! Like is unfair as you say. But if our culture did not place constant emphasis on the MOST important role being that of wife and mother, it might be easier for women to feel equal and validated in terms of work. Yes, an unattractive man may have the same struggle. But truly I believe men are often valued more for their work, their achievement, their financial success. I think these methods of judging are sexist and not to be encouraged, but still a reality in our culture today. I think this unwarranted > denigration > of Johnny Lingo (the character, not the film), and Mahanna is silly. I > admire his character. I don't see any reason to think he's lying when he > says he loved her from boyhood. I don't think he is lying and I'm not judging Johnny negatively. I just think that he is, as you say, responding to a beautiful woman in a way that is time-honored. It is just too bad that life is unfair and that every woman can't have a fairytale wedding like my new daughter-in-law had a couple of weeks ago. She's a lovely petite young woman, my son is a large handsome young man. One girl at their wedding luncheon said, "I'm so jealous!!" I feel empathy, that's all. There's no reason to judge so harshly, > particularly out of the context of the presented culture. > Cripes, who would > want to be held to such a standard? Just because I'm critiquing the sexist equation--that values women for beauty and men for money--does not mean I'm criticizing Johnny or men in general! Gae Lyn Henderson. > - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:22:48 -0600 From: "Ben Christensen" Subject: Re: [AML] Starship Mormons > When we were in India we came across a religion or sect that sweeps before > they walk or sit, because they don't want to kill even the most > insignificant insect. I have read about them, but can't remember all the > details. Does anyone remember the name of this group? I don't have time to > look it up. This is a belief in Jainism-most monks only own a broom with which they sweep away insects and a bowl to collect food from people Jessie Christensen - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:19:04 -0600 From: "Jim/Laurel Brady" Subject: RE: [AML] Types of Bishops Laraine wrote: "She said she saw Brigham City and could not take it seriously from the very beginning because a sheriff would never be called to be a bishop. Church policy, according to her, says there's a conflict of interest. I tend to trust her since she knows all sorts of secret things as a church employee." And Fred wrote: "By the way, Lt Edwards of the Orem Police Dept, doesn't seem to feel any conflict of interest in his stake presidency calling. In fact, his high calling often helps perps "come to Jesus" in the interrogation room." So now I'm writing: I happen to work at the Orem PD with Fred's friend, Doug Edwards. Doug doesn't do much interrogating these days as he's serving in the administration end of things right now. But he and I were chatting today when I mentioned this thread on the list and the whole "can cops be Bishops" question. Interestingly, Doug said there apparently HAS been a policy change in just the past year or so and cops really are no longer supposed to be called as Bishops. He said there is not (to his knowledge) any restriction on them serving as counselors or in stake callings, but they aren't supposed to be Bishops anymore. And this is not just chiefs or department heads, but ANY police officer. It was his understanding the new policy is intended as a protection for the officers who frequently find themselves in uncomfortable situations where they have to arrest ward members and neighbors. It has always been a sort of unwritten policy in the police departments where I've worked that whenever possible, officers are not assigned to cases that involve family, friends, neighbors, and frequently, ward members, since it invites difficulties and emotional turmoil and bad feelings and all that. If this actually is a new church policy, it's interesting to see the church thinking the same way. So I guess some of us might owe that poor church employee an apology. Maybe she DOES know all kinds of secret stuff. Laurel Brady - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:50:45 -0600 From: "Jim/Laurel Brady" Subject: RE: [AML] Sealings of Children [MOD: I'm letting this through, but let me remind one and all that determining what Church policies are is not technically part of AML-List's brief. At a time of heavy volume, I'd like to not get too wound up in such relatively peripheral (for our list) questions. On the other hand, the later part of Laurel's post is completely appropriate to AML-List, dealing as it does with conceptions of how the LDS version of heaven would be and how it can be depicted in Mormon literature.] Chris wrote: Now, I have heard that sometimes women can be sealed to two or more men I believe the actual wording of this policy (which if memory serves was new sometime in the late 80's) is to the effect that a woman can be sealed to any man that she has been married to in this life, even if it's more than one. It's one of those things that will get straightened out in the next life, whatever that turns out to mean. And in the sealing of children, it's my understanding that what's important is the ordinance itself, not the "who". Again, one of those things that will work itself out in the next life when we're all a little less worried about some of the picky details because we'll finally "get" a lot of stuff that we are currently a little too temporal minded to accept and understand. I sometimes envision the Celestial Kingdom as kind of like a really big ward where we (gee, I hope I'm part of the "we") all somehow are grouped in family units, but also bonded closely to our whole "ward family." Of course, we each have our own idea of how all this will work and I wish we'd explore the next life a little more in our literature - there's hours and hours of fun to be had. If we were a little more able to laugh at ourselves, I think there's tons of good sitcom material there, and about a million fun novels. I might add, I'm looking forward to getting to the next life for several reasons, not the least of which is because half of my kids have courageous and loving birth mothers they will probably never meet in this life. Those kids were sealed to my husband and I, but I am certain they will have a deep and eternal bond with the birthmoms that loved them so deeply long before I did. I like to think these good women will somehow be a part of our family in some beautiful eternal way. Laurel Brady - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:10:09 -0600 From: "Nan McCulloch" Subject: Re: [AML] Authenticity in UDALL, _Edgar Mint_ Andrew, I agree totally with your take on this review. Edgar Mint had no memory of his life before the accident. He had no conscious cultural identity. How could he have absorbed culture from his hospital stay and his brief time at the Indian school. I think that is unrealistic. This is a very good book. The only criticism I have is that from start to finish the book is so well written and it is such exciting reading that the ending seems somewhat disappointing. Nan McCulloch - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:42:22 -0600 From: "Jacob Proffitt" Subject: RE: [AML] Single Bishops Marriage doesn't just confer sex. Marriage carries with it a unique and intimate relationship that takes you out of your own head better than any other. As such, it confers a chance for wisdom that is impossible in a single person. Not that a single person can't be as wise, just that the married person has a wider opportunity to challenge pre-conceived notions--is forced into uncomfortable consideration and self-examination that can be avoided by non-married people. A married person confronts a truly alien perspective as a matter of course. Jacob Proffitt - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:48:03 -0700 From: John Dewey Remy Subject: RE: [AML] Generalizing from Experience Richard Dutcher said: "even those of us on this list tend to universalize our personal LDS experience. As experts on Mormonism, as all of us would surely claim to be (on some level), we dismiss the representation of anything outside our own limited experience as implausible, unrealistic or simply wrong. We may reject or mock someone's work because of our own, and not the author's, ignorance." [snip!] I think that this issue is a complex one. Consider the following: I wrote a semi-autobiographical story about a young Mormon who attends his grandfather's funeral in Japan while serving a full-time mission (shameless self-promotion: it will appear in the next issue of Sunstone Magazine). In real life, I received permission from the Mission and Area Presidents to cross six missions, travelling alone, to attend the funeral. When I crafted the story, I felt it necessary to create a companion to accompany the main character to make the situation more believable to my Mormon au dience. I stopped reading Tom Clancy because I had a hard time accepting some of the out of the ordinary events he included in his books. He made terrorists nuke a SuperBowl Stadium in Denver and had a Japanese pilot fly an otherwise empty jumbo jet kamikaze-style into the U.S. Capitol building (I think that most of the Democrats die in this attack...perhaps this is the real reason I stopped reading Clancy? ;^) Years later, real-life terrorists fly jumbo jets full of men, women and children into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. If Clancy, or anyone else, had inserted this horrible scenario into a story or a movie before September 2001, would the readers have accepted the event as plausible within the confines of the world the author created? I think that we can all point to bizarre experiences that support Mark Twain's observation that "the truth is stranger than fiction." Writers still have to consider their audience, however. While Richard states that we shouldn't limit our presentation to the plain and ordinary, I caution that just because we can point to examples of the out of the ordinary in our own experience doesn't mean that we can safely include them in our works. We can't lose our audiences by inserting things which is beyond belief. The writer has to carefully convince the audience to suspend their disbelief. Writers have the tricky task of keeping the audience in a delicate bubble of virtuality for the duration of their experience. This means that they can't burst that bubble by subjecting the audience to events that they can't accept. This may have been part of Stephen Spielberg's motivation when he chose not to display some of the Nazi's most hideous acts in _Schindler's List_ (he specifically gives the example of SS troops throwing Jewish babies into the air for target practice). That said, _God's Army_ and _Brigham City_ were two of the most realistic and believeable Mormon movies I have experienced. By contrast, the more mundane presentations are too ordinary to reflect acceptable reality. John Remy UC Irvine - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 00:29:48 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] Book of Mormon Movie Casting Call > CASTING SESSION > All actors must be ATTRACTIVE, in excellent physical > condition The very first requirement. This ought to be some inspirational adaptation of the Book of Mormon. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:51:24 -0600 From: "Jennifer Ellsworth" Subject: Re: [AML] Training for Bishops I doubt this experience generalizes to the training of all bishops, but when my husband was the 2nd councilor in a BYU student ward he was invited to attend a seminar put on a by local therapists in private practice. The meeting was for bishopric members and addressed both basic counseling skills (e.g. empathic listening) and when to consider making a referral to a mental health professional. Although he's no longer in the bishopric, my husband still occasionally receives announcements through the mail from the same group offering similar seminars. - -Jennifer Ellsworth - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:42:13 -0500 From: Ronn Blankenship Subject: Re: [AML] Reading in Church At 10:57 PM 10/21/02, Roberto Gomez wrote: >If you really want to get away with reading in church, try doing it on your >Palm Pilot. There's a good selection of free Palm-format texts at: > >http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/ebooks/ebooklist.html > >They've got the Bible, too, so you can always claim you're just looking up >the scriptures! Not necessarily: <> - --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:03:53 -0500 From: Ronn Blankenship Subject: Re: [AML] Starship Mormons At 09:59 AM 10/19/02, Marilyn Brown wrote: >Tony Markham wrote: A one-armed veteran of the bug > > wars taught the class and explained to these peace-loving Mormons that >sometimes you just had to kill bugs. > >Interesting! We don't talk about killers much in Mormon lit, do we? I just >want to know if when anyone else pinches bugs they feel they are getting the >experience of being a killer? I do. When I find a bug (Earth type, not giant SF monster) in the house, if possible, I frequently try to catch it and then release it outside. Unfortunately, since I have not learned the language necessary to communicate my intentions to insects, all too often they try to get away from me and they end up getting mortally injured in the process . . . (For some reason even my cats just sit there watching a bug crawl/fly around and wait for me to attempt to round it up rather than "playing" with it . . . ) - --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:56:19 -0500 From: Ronn Blankenship Subject: Re: [AML] Book of Mormon Movie Casting Call At 02:41 PM 10/21/02, Preston wrote: >http://www.bookofmormonmovie.com/cast/index.html > >CASTING SESSION > >An open casting session will be held on November 2, 2002 at >the Salt Lake Hilton Hotel, 255 South West Temple, from >9:a.m. to 5:p.m. > >All actors must be ATTRACTIVE, in excellent physical >condition, IOW, unless you look exactly like the Friberg illustrations, you need not apply? - --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:00:44 -0600 From: "Annette Lyon" Subject: [AML] re: Generalizing from Experience "The character of Elder Dalton, in fact, was based on a real missionary from the L. A. mission whose cancer returned and who served in the field until the day he died. Incredible, but true." Richard, I stand corrected. New motto: never say never. :) Annette Lyon - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:47:23 -0600 From: "Janelle Higbee" Subject: [AML] Re: Starship Mormons - -----Original Message----- "When we were in India we came across a religion or sect that sweeps before= they walk or sit, because they don't want to kill even the most insignif= icant insect." My favorite stories about American folk hero Johnny Appleseed say he would = douse his campfire at night for fear a mosquito would inadvertently fly i= nto it and be killed. And he would sing hymns to the rattlesnakes he met= along his path. =20 By all reports, Johnny Appleseed (John Chapman) was a very religious man, a= zealous follower of the Christian gospel as preached by Emmanuel Swedenb= org, and along with his apple seeds used to distribute pages of Swedenbor= gian texts while crying, "Good news! Good news fresh from heaven!" (Whet= her he learned his love of animals from Swedenborg, I couldn't say. Chap= man was also kicked in the head by a horse at a young age. That may expla= in some of his eccentric behavior later in life.) I always wanted to grow up to be Johnny Appleseed. I still invoke his examp= le every time I carefully step over a line of ants marching along the sid= ewalk, or release a spider from the confines of my bathtub. - -Janelle Higbee - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #873 ******************************