From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V2 #69 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Monday, June 2 2003 Volume 02 : Number 069 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:15:21 -0700 From: robertslaven@shaw.ca Subject: Re: [AML] Mormon Horror From: "Scott Parkin" >Are conspiracy theories the same thing as horror? Horrible, yes; but horrifying? >Where's the slime and the ooze and the undead Cthulu zombie children with the >mark of the beast tattooed under their left armpit? Where's the specifically >Mormon-flavored, consistent, and generally accepted interaction with >inhuman/unhuman creatures? IMHO, the all-time star Mormon monster in literature is Sister LeSueur in Orson Scott Card's _Lost Boys_ (the novel, not the short story). She's a champ. Bonus points for anyone who knows (no peeking in French-English dictionaries, now, and all you who went on Francophone missions give the other kids a chance) what 'sueur' means in French. Hint: It's pronounced almost exactly like the English word 'sewer' (where your effluent goes, not 'one who sews'), but with the accent on the second syllable. Robert (avec beaucoup de sueur maintenant, parce qu'il a fini l'arbitrage de deux jeux de hockey avec patins roulees) - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:48:22 -0600 From: "Scott Duvall" Subject: [AML] RE: R.S. Magazine (was: 20th Century Mormon Women) The Relief Society Magazine was published from 1914 to 1970. A complete run is found in Special Collections in the Harold B. Lee Library at BYU. A database index of the Relief Society Magazine has been completed by Connie Lamb of the Harold B. Library and can be found at: http://web.lib.byu.edu/rsmag Scott Duvall Assistant Director, Harold B. Lee Library for Special Collections - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:50:58 -0700 From: "Rex Goode" Subject: Re: [AML] SSA in Mormon Lit Jonathan, Comparing different approaches to SSA is a tall order and I promise I'll make the attempt on Friday afternoon. As for my misgivings about Byrd's approach, I should first state that he is not the author of that approach. He is just considered the foremost LDS authority on that approach. It was originally called, "Reparative Therapy" by a Josephi Nicolosi. Today, the common terminology is Gender Affirmative Therapy. The changing terminology is part of why I have misgivings. It's a work in progress, I guess. I used to be amused every year at the Evergreen conference in Salt Lake City as I saw the theory of the year being presented. The theories were all similar, but someone was always finding a new spin to put on it. My main nit to pick is in not as much in how the theory is portrayed by professionals as in the way same-sex attracted men who are looking for a solution focus on the parts that they like and ignore some of the other parts. For example, Nicolosi, who literally wrote the book on the subject, said that men should not expect that his approach would completely rid them of same-sex feelings. He said it would empower them to work toward experiencing opposite-sex attractions but that most would never have a complete reversal. Despite that, the men who go into that therapy go into it with the hope and expectation for a complete cure. Unfortunately, the therapists who practice that kind of therapy don't do much to brace their clients for reality. Nicolosi doesn't promise a cure, but the therapists who practice his methods and the clients who rely on them expect a cure. Briefly, for now, the idea behind this therapy is that by fostering healthy male relationships, clients can begin to feel part of the world of masculinity, which will decrease same-sex attracted feelings and enhance whatever opposite-sex attracted feelings are there. Even with this brief and inadequate description of the model, I have some problems, but I'll save that for a future attempt at writing about it. I will say that I know many, many men who have gone through this therapy with therapists who are more realistic in their approach and have seen some wonderful strides in men who are trying to manage their same-sex attraction in a way that lets them be married, father children, and have happy lives. Sadly, I've seen those with the greater expectations be sorely disappointed. More about how I approach my own SSA later. My story explores much of this, or it will if I ever get the time to write it. Rex Goode - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:39:01 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] Dan BROWN, _The Da Vinci Code_ Isn't it a very common Mormon belief that indeed M. Magdalene was the > Savior's earthly wife--in fact, one of several? Bruce McConkie's sister Margaret Pope is our Sunday School teacher and happened to mention that very "common Mormon belief" in our Sunday school class last Sunday. And sisters Mary and Martha were also his wives! YES! But does anyone know the story that after his resurrection he ended up in France with a huge family of kids and that's why the "cloth" ended up in Turin? Marilyn Brown (having returned to the list for a time!). - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:48:11 -0600 From: Melissa Proffitt Subject: Re: [AML] 20th Century Mormon Women: An Inquiry On Wed, 28 May 2003 09:25:16 -0500, Lisa Tait wrote: >What makes me really sick is that my grandma had a huge stash of old RS >Magazines at one time. She threw them out not more than ten years ago, = which >was about three years before I realized what a treasure they would have >been. We inherited our first stash from my great-grandmother, who never threw anything away--fortunately for us. Jacob was mistaken about the extent = of our collection: we have a solid 25-year run, but our earliest is 1941. I would love to see the ones from World War I. >I am coming to Utah next week for a quick research trip. I'll be staying= in >American Fork. Where are the best places to look for old RS Magazines = etc? >Besides DI--and which DI? How about very old Mormon books? I want to = find a >copy of Representative Women of Deseret and of Susa Young Gates's = biography >of Brigham Young. DI is a good source for the RS magazine, but it depends on where you = look, because they don't seem to come in very often. We have three or four = that we haunt, and the last big haul came from Kearns in Salt Lake. American =46ork has a good DI, but not necessarily for church materials. = Basically, DI isn't a reliable source; we only started seriously looking about two = months ago, and had only one large payoff. If you're lucky, you might be able to find the bound editions...I think = it was a service subscribers could take advantage of, to have a year's run bound in a very nice cover with the issue and year stamped on the front. These might be available from antiquarian dealers too. =46or very old Mormon books, it's a good idea to call some of the local antiquarian dealers. I know there are several around here, but it's not really my line, so I can't recommend any in particular. Benchmark Books = is good for the more recent stuff and occasionally has older works as well. Good luck in your search! Melissa Proffitt - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:36:48 -0600 From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [AML] (S.L. Trib) Mormon TV Writer Dies TV Writer, Former Utahn, Dies By Vince Horiuchi The Salt Lake Tribune Ernest Ferrin Wallengren, a former Utahn whose television writing credits in Hollywood ranged from family fare like "The Waltons" and "Touched by an Angel" to the surf and swimsuits of "Baywatch," died Tuesday from Lou Gehrig's disease. He was 50. Wallengren was born Dec. 15, 1952 in Heber City, to a family who owned the Homestead resort in nearby Midway. He served a mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Central America in 1974 and attended the University of Utah, but moved to Los Angeles with his family so his mother, also a television writer, could pursue her career. After graduating from Loyola Marymount University with a degree in communication, Wallengren got a staff writing job for the family drama "The Waltons," a show his mother worked on, too. "He called up the creator on his own and got a meeting with him and pitched him a story, and [show creator Earl] Hamner hired him," said Wallengren's brother, Mark Wallengren. "Ernie loved writing the family shows, and his proudest is starting with 'The Waltons.' " Wallengren subsequently wrote for many television series, including "Little House on the Prairie," "Eight Is Enough," the primetime soap opera "Falcon Crest," "Knight Rider," "Diagnosis Murder" and the reincarnation of "Flipper." The last show he worked on was the PAX drama "Doc," starring Billy Ray Cyrus. Wallengren also was an executive producer and writer for the first season of "Baywatch," the syndicated hit about a group of well-endowed beach lifeguards. But he bailed from the series early on. "He thought the show was too T&A and was too trashy and didn't feel comfortable writing it sometimes," said Mark, a Los Angeles morning radio DJ. Wallengren first experienced the symptoms of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, or Lou Gehrig's Disease, in October 2000. Eventually, it left him a quadriplegic. Wallengren wrote about the disease, which attacks nerve cells in the brain, for one episode of "Doc," about a country doctor in New York. He was honored for that episode with the National Courage Award from the Muscular Dystrophy Association. "He had a very blessed life and was just so unbelievably positive to the end," said his brother. Wallengren is survived by his wife, Cheryl; two daughters and three sons; his father Del in Salt Lake City; mother Claire in Calabasas, Calif.; and five brothers and sisters. Services are Saturday at the Canoga Park LDS Stake Center in Canoga Park, Calif. Burial will be at Pierce Brothers Valley Oaks Memorial Park in Westlake Village, Calif. - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:39:36 -0600 From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [AML] Irreantum proofers needed The spring 2003 issue of Irreantum will be ready for proofreading next week. If you would like to volunteer to read a PDF file for typos and errors, please contact me directly. The file will likely be sent out on June 4, with a one-week turnaround time. Remember, this volunteer service is resume-able proofing experience. If you need references, the AML will vouch for proofing work well done. Chris Bigelow chris.bigelow@unicitynetwork.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:56:49 -0500 From: Jonathan Langford Subject: [AML] RE: Sickbed Reading & Viewing (Comp 1) [MOD: This is a compilation post.] >From pchamberlain@westcon.net Wed May 28 13:50:44 2003 I would do the Christopher Guest compendium. This is Spinal Tap, Waiting for Guffman, Best in Show. The extended DVDs would be the best. Also "The Producers" is a good fascist romp with Gene Wilder, Zero Mostel and written by Mel Brooks. Peter Chamberlain Senior Estimator Westcon Microtunneling (801) 785-3401 pchamberlain@westcon.net - -------------------------------------- >From susanpc@platformcreative.com Wed May 28 14:08:51 2003 Some off-the-beaten-path movies you may not have seen (and may be pretty hard to find): Rubin & Ed--A Trent Harris film, he made that Mormon sci fi flick which I never saw, this stars Crispin Glover and Johnny Fever from WKRP in a bizarre buddy film. After Hours--An 80's Scorsese comedy, one of my faves. Stranger Than Paradise--Haven't seen this in 15 years or so, but I used to watch it quite a bit. It's very slow, in black and white. A Jim Jarmusch film. Birdy--A buddy movie masquerading as a Vietnam war movie. Matthew Modine and Nick Cage. Modine plays a weird kid who goes crazy in the war, and Cage is his best friend who after being sent home injured comes to the mental hospital to try and jar him out of his catatonic state. So most of the movie is flashbacks to them as teens and also their experiences in the war. Probably has my favorite ending of any movie, ever. Totorro--A Japanese animated kids' movie, but I love it. A young girl whose mother is in the hospital has to go stay in the country with her grandma and encounters magical creatures. It's wonderfully done. Good luck with your surgery. I've been in the hospital more than once (diabetic) and sometimes I find myself craving that time of just lying there with everyone else taking care of everything. :) Susan Malmrose - --------------------------------- >From debbro@voyager.net Wed May 28 14:25:13 2003 Sickbed reading and viewing is the time to read and watch the things you normally wouldn't. Some might look at this as an opportunity to expand th= eir minds and get through that stack of books you have next to your bed or toilet, but if they haven't caught your interest by now, why would they w= hen you're down? So I say, go to the thrift store and grab a stack of trashy romances or bodice rippers and western novels. And enjoy them for what th= ey are. Brain candy. And if you're like me, you'll be rewriting the thing as you read it. If anyone says anything, tell them its research for your nex= t novel whose main character is a R.S. President who's secret vice is she reads trashy romance novels and bodice rippers till her Bishop catches he= r reading one during a welfare meeting.=0D Now, as for movies, you can't go wrong with Highlander movies. All fo= ur. Then, please please please watch for me, Triple XXX and Secretary. I'm no= t allowed to bring those home. I also thought Ghostship was good enough to rent. And then for pure enjoyment sake, anything by the Veggie Tales. I always thought they were stupid (this opinion was based on having never watched them) but then on a whim bought their movie Jonah, and it was hilarious, and good. I even caught on to how they manage to drive, eat, w= alk and so on with no hands and feet. =0D Good luck and good healing. =0D Debbie Brown (who just had knee surgery 14 days ago)=0D - --------------------------------------- >From barbara@techvoice.com Wed May 28 14:27:13 2003 Have you ever seen a movie from 1968 called Cactus Flower? It stars Walter Mattheau, Ingrid Bergman, and a 22-year-old Goldie Hawn. I find it highly entertaining--it's one of my favorite movies to watch when I'm sick and want to take my mind off it. Arsenic and Old Lace with Cary Grant is another good one. barbara hume - ---------------------------------- >From rrasband@yahoo.com Wed May 28 17:47:34 2003 "Straight Man" by Richard Russo. A great novelist; his funniest book. ===== R.W. Rasband Heber City, UT rrasband@yahoo.com - -------------------------------------- >From aorullian@juno.com Thu May 29 00:09:09 2003 try these movies if you haven't already: "the dekalog" or "three colors trilogy" (krzysztof kieslowski--orem library has these), "time regained" (french, based on proust), "the neon bible" (terence davies--based on the toole novel), and "night of the hunter" (charles laughton). if you feel daring, check out "breaking the waves" (von trier). aaron orullian - ------------------------------------- >From bas37@email.byu.edu Thu May 29 00:40:53 2003 Best movies I've seen recently: To Be Or Not To Be - Jack Benny plays a Jewish actor in Poland during the Nazi occupation. He and his troupe must act like Nazi's to escape. Very funny stuff. (Don't mistake it for the piece of hud remake by Mel Brooks.) Midnight Run - I watch this movie at least once a year. Charles Grodin and Robert DeNiro. Proves that these two are the greatest comic actors working right now. (although DeNiro is only funny when he plays it straight and doesn't mug. Luckily, this movie has the nonmugging DeNiro.) Best book I've read recently Amarillo Slim in a World of Fat People: Autobiography of the greatest gambler who ever lives. The opening paragraph says, "In my humble opinion, I'm no ordinary hustler. You see, neighbor, I never go looking for a sucker; I look for a champion and make a sucker out of him." It's true, the way this guy gambles and hustles is amazing. Happy reading and viewing, Bryan Austin Summers - --------------------------------- >From Jacob@proffitt.com Thu May 29 14:57:38 2003 Okay, I'm going to go out on a limb here. Try Georgette Heyer. I've = been reading her pretty steadily for the last month or so. I don't know = why--I'm just in the mood I suppose. It's the best of the Regency Romance genre = and the characters are very engaging, the stories complex, the dialogue delightful, and overall they're pretty easy reads. If you've ever = wondered about the romance genre but never bothered trying to find out more, Georgette Heyer is a good place dip your feet. Which isn't surprising = since she pretty much invented the Regency Romance as its own category. She = had extensive contemporary records from the period and a compulsive need to research that give her books a depth that less fastidious authors lack. = I'd personally recommend _The Grand Sophy_ as the strongest of her books, = though I'm sure others on the list would suggest others. And the further bonus is that they're reprinting many of her books. Jacob Proffitt - ----------------------------------------- >From jenwahlquist@earthlink.net Fri May 30 11:27:10 2003 Hi, Eric: A month off with nothing to do but read and watch movies? I'm almost drooling . . . well, all right, the pain thing might not be so great. Anyway, I am recommending two books: the first, which I have just finished, is John Grisham's The King of Torts (which one could easily read as a modern-day morality play). The second is a fascinating and beautiful hardback book by John Bowker (former dean of Trinity College at Cambridge, Adjunct Professor at University of Pennsylvania, and currently a Fellow at Gresham College in London) called God: A Brief History: The Human Search for Eternal Truth. I am reading it in preparation for my Mythology in Legend and Literature class that starts Monday. I saved about $12.00 by ordering the book from Amazon.com. If you would like to borrow a VHS videotape, I can loan you my Ken Burns documentary on the life of Mark Twain (a genuine delight - both Twain and the film). Best wishes, - --Jen Wahlquist - --------------------------------------- - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:21:04 -0600 From: "J. Scott Bronson" Subject: Re: [AML] Dan BROWN, _The Da Vinci Code_ On Tue, 27 May 2003 16:03:30 -0600 Christopher Bigelow writes: > Someone ought to do a novel > speculating on the Savior's domestic/married life. For quite some time I wanted to write a play with Jesus as a character -- not some offstage entity -- on just the subject that you have suggested. I had decided to write a one-act that took place in the garden outside his tomb; a conversation between Mary Magdalene and Jesus. My suspicion is -- if they were married to one another -- the conversation was a bit longer than what is offered in the scriptures. I finally came to the conclusion that as much as I want to write it, there will not be an audience for it ... yet. So, I wrote "Tombs" instead. scott - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V2 #69 *****************************