From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V2 #106 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Monday, July 21 2003 Volume 02 : Number 106 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:59:49 -0600 From: "David and Dianna Graham" Subject: [AML] re: GLBT Since we're on the subject, I have to share a bad habit of mine. It is so difficult for me to not call Lesbian women Lebenese. An old gay friend of mine always referred to his lesbian friends as such, and it just stuck with me. Of course, since I'm not really in the GLBT community, I probably don't really have the right to make that little joke, huh? It's kind of like a white guy who spends a lot of time with groups of black men who call each other n---ers, and who thinks that he can use the term too. I guess however the above terms are used, they're not very respectful anyway. Okay, I'll repent. BTW, do most folks in the GBLT community also refuse to use the word "straight" when giving directions? Luc always insisted on the phrase, "gayly forward," which made me giggle everytime. Dianna Graham - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:07:56 -0600 From: "Bill Willson" Subject: Re: [AML] GLBT E;izabeth Walters wrote: >I always assumed that the word "negro" was derived >from the word "negroid" as in pertaining to the sociology >classification I always thought it came from the Spanish word negro meaning black. I think your word negroid is a sociological scientific word derived from the Spanish word for black. If we could just learn not to take anything personally and to make no assumptions, then there could be no offense, and people could just talk the way they learned how. That is a very idealistic concept and it will probably take forever for it to catch on. Bill Willson, writer bmdblu2@comcast.net http://www.latterdaybard.com If you are looking for a place to sell your products or services, check out http://www.minutemall.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:20:21 -0600 From: "David and Dianna Graham" Subject: [AML] re: GLBT Regarding the following in my last post: >Of course, since I'm not really in the GLBT community, I probably don't really have the right to make that little joke, huh? >It's kind of like a white guy who spends a lot of time with groups of black men who call each other n---ers, and who thinks >that he can use the term too. >I guess however the above terms are used, they're not very respectful anyway. Okay, I'll repent. I just want to make it clear that I think that one "n" word is about as horrible as it gets, and I've never ever used that word. Though the situations may be comparable, the language certainly isn't. FYI, Dianna - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:33:10 -0600 From: Barbara Hume Subject: Re: [AML] Flattening Effects of Story Resolution At 08:05 AM 7/16/03 -0700, you wrote: >. It seems like characters have a tendency to flatten as they grow toward >whatever the plot demands they grow toward. I think that's one reason romance novels tend to end at the wedding. By that time the tortured hero has resolved his emotional trauma, or the man-hating heroine has come to her senses, or whatever. Now they're suitable to become marriage partners--but how interesting will they be? Some writers can handle it, but most can't--that's why heroes of episodic TV are not usually allowed to stay married. If you fall in love with Little Joe Cartwright or Apollo or or Captain Kirk, everyone knows you're toast. In real life, people still have a lot of growing and changing to do. But who wants to read "Will you take out the garbage, dear?" "Of course, sweetheart. As soon as the commercials come on." barbara hume - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 04:38:11 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] GLBT Annette Lyon wrote: > > > If they wanted to use GLB, I could stand that. Why throw in transsexual > > anyway? A transsexual is nothing more than a gay or lesbian who feels so > > strongly about their sexual orientation that they make a permanent > > physical commitment to the lifestyle. > > D. Michael Martindale > > Are you being serious with that comment? I don't have any first hand > knowledge but I suspect there's a lot more to it than that. I don't know that I'm being serious about any of this, other than exasperation over the silliness of political correctness. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 04:53:01 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] Flattening Effects of Story Resolution Bill Gardner wrote: > It seems like characters have a tendency to flatten as they > grow toward whatever the plot demands they grow toward. I'm > not convinced that this is an issue only with LDS > literature, but is certainly more of a problem with stories > where a character address the very problems that have > defined them as a character as many of this genre do. I'd > love to hear a good discussion about writing characters > that don't turn to cardstock at the end of the story. Seems to me the way to avoid this problem is to develop your character sufficiently so he isn't defined only by the problems that will be resolved. Then you'll still have a person after the problems go away. Come to think of it, you'll start out with a person too, not a contrived cardboard character. > I'd hate to think (and I don't > think) that as we strive for perfection, whatever that is, > we become less distinct and less interesting people. That all depends on how you define "perfection." If by perfection you mean conforming to the culture's interpretation of what a perfect person is like, then heaven will be an incredibly boring place stocked with mind-numbing uniformity. Since that sounds like hell to me, not heaven, I am forced to conclude that there is nothing conforming about perfection. I eschew the notion that the unity disciples of Christ are to strive for is conformity. Rather I believe it is love and forgiveness--giving others plenty of room to be themselves without judging them or demanding conformity of them. Love and accept them even if they think differently from you. Any other brand of unity sounds too much like the Third Reich or the Soviet Union to me. Now if we can just get our fellow Saints to comprehend this principle... But at least we can create our characters based on this concept of perfection. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:45:58 -0700 From: "Susan Malmrose" Subject: Re: [AML] KRAKAUER, _Under The Banner Of Heaven_ Krakauer is making an appearance in Seattle Aug 1 at Town Hall, sponsored by the Elliot Bay Bookstore: http://www.elliottbaybook.com/events/jul03/krakauer.jsp I may go just out of curiosity (if there's no good bands playing that night). It costs $5. Susan - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:31:56 -0600 From: Morgan B. Adair Subject: [AML] re: Black/African >>> Cathy Wilson 7/16/2003 8:31:23 PM >>> > >And to complicate things further, a bunch of my daughter's friends=20 >don't mind the word black but actually call each other the n- word.=20 My wife and I adopted 3 boys from Sierra Leone a few months ago, so we've = had to consider issues of identity and nomenclature. I don't like to refer = to them as "black," because to me that term refers to a person who is part = of African-American culture, as does "Afro-American" or "African-American."= My boys (the adopted ones, anyway) speak Krio as their first language, = sing African songs, and are African in every way. Someday, they may be = black or Afro-American, but for now they are my African boys. Morgan B. Adair - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V2 #106 ******************************