From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V2 #107 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Tuesday, July 22 2003 Volume 02 : Number 107 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:57:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "R.W. Rasband" Subject: [AML] GIBSON, _The Passion_ Here is the trailer for Mel Gibson's controversial new movie about the last hours of Jesus' life, "The Passion" (WARNING: it is graphically violent.) http://www.aintitcool.com/ThePassion.mov ===== R.W. Rasband Heber City, UT rrasband@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 07:48:04 -0700 From: "Wes Rook" Subject: RE: [AML] GLBT > BTW, do most folks in the GBLT community also refuse to use > the word "straight" when giving directions? Luc always > insisted on the phrase, "gayly forward," which made me giggle > everytime. > > Dianna Graham My sister is "Lebenese" and she NEVER uses the word "straight" when giving directions. In fact, if I'm giving her directions and I tell her to keep going straight, she'll say something like, "I'll never go straight, but I'll go forward." Wes Rook - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:30:53 -0600 From: "Kim Madsen" Subject: RE: [AML] Flattening Effects of Story Resolution D Michael Martindale wrote: "Since that sounds like hell to me, not heaven, I am forced to conclude that there is nothing conforming about perfection. I eschew the notion that the unity disciples of Christ are to strive for is conformity. Rather I believe it is love and forgiveness--giving others plenty of room to be themselves without judging them or demanding conformity of them. Love and accept them even if they think differently from you." And I say: Amen, brother, amen! [doing a little Mo-version of a black-african-american-people-who- Know-how-to-Get-Happy-and-show-it-in-their-public-communication Dance.] Hallelujah! These are some of the most sensible, spiritual words I've heard lately. Thanks for expressing taking the time to express them. It made my day. [and she wanders off, wondering if she let loose like that in church what would happen...maybe it would be okay if she sat by Sister Moore who quietly says 'umm-huh' and nods vigorously in agreement during lessons, occassionally murmuring "that's right" because everyone one adores Sister Moore who is genuine, non-judgmental and kind....just maybe they'd think it was Sister Moore and not Sister Madsen, then she'd be safe...or else maybe Sisters Moore and Madsen together will start a new trend, at least in the Park Meadows Ward of Zion...] Kim Madsen - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:35:02 -0700 From: "Walt Curtis" Subject: Re: [AML] GLBT Oh, let's go and make it worse, shall we? How many of us know that there is another letter being added to this acronym? Increasingly, one sees instances of GLBTI. Where does this come from? Actually, with the addition of the "I," the acronym becomes inclusive of all sexual minorities. Each minority has overlapping and non-overlapping characteristics of human sexuality. The American Psychological Association explains that there are four components of sexuality: a.. biological sex (male, female, intersex) b.. gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female) c.. sexual orientation (an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual or affectional attraction to another person) d.. social gender role (adherence to cultural norms for feminine and masculine behavior). To keep this germane to the AML list, there is a website on intersex issues that includes information about writing and language guidelines: http://isna.org/index.html. (Scroll down the links on the left for the guidelines.)There is also a link page with enough information for anyone on most of the topics related to G-L-B-T-I issues from within the community(s): http://www.virtualcity.com/youthsuicide/links3a.htm#tgtvts. Walt Curtis - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:51:04 -0600 From: "Marianne Hales Harding" Subject: Re: [AML] GLBT >I just want to make it clear that I think that one "n" word is about as >horrible as it gets, and I've never ever used that word. Though the >situations may be comparable, the language certainly isn't. Can I say one thing, though? I think it sounds incredibly silly when newscasters say, "the 'n' word." As in, "A teacher was suspended for using the 'n' word." I half expect them to continue the news broadcast by reporting that "In related news, a student went 'number two' on the lawn outside of class." Marianne Hales Harding _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:18:08 -0500 From: Jonathan Langford Subject: [AML] Screening Moderator on Duty Folks, Once again, we are trying out a screening moderator system this week, with Jacob Proffitt once again graciously consenting to serve as the screener. I will still be handling all controversial issues this week. However, since I am traveling a lot starting on Wednesday, there may be some delay in getting things responded to once they have been bounced to me. Thanks again to Jacob for his service, and if there is anyone else out there who would be interested in learning what's involved in becoming a screening moderator, please contact me. Jonathan Langford AML-List Moderator - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:27:48 +1000 From: "Covell, Jason" Subject: RE: [AML] Black/African >My wife and I adopted 3 boys from Sierra Leone a few months ago, so we've had to consider issues >of identity and nomenclature. I don't like to refer to them as "black," because to me that term >refers to a person who is part of African-American culture, as does "Afro-American" or "African- >American." My boys (the adopted ones, anyway) speak Krio as their first language, sing African=20 >songs, and are African in every way. Someday, they may be black or Afro-American, but for now=20 >they are my African boys. > >Morgan B. Adair This fluidity of culture, identity and nationality is of great relevance to my family, too. My wife identifies as African-American: while her mother is Anglo-Celtic-Australian, her father is African-American, and she is justly proud to claim that heritage. However, she was born in Australia and has lived here all her life (except for around 6 months spent in the States). In one cultural sense, she is as Anglo-Australian as I am because she had essentially the same exposure to and immersion in white/Anglo culture that I was. She certainly never grew up in anything like a black or African-American culture - the parts of Australia where she grew up in the 70s and 80s probably had fewer people of African descent than even Utah or other mostly white areas of the States. I often wonder: what terms are people likely to apply to my wife, and for that matter, to our two boys? She isn't terribly fussed about labels, and in general, neither am I. But when people ask her that odd little question - - "So, where do you come from?" - never minding her obviously Australian accent, she often just waves her hand and says, "my dad is American". Which usually doesn't give them what they want to know, but hey! To start with, there is no accepted term "African-Australian". I've lived here my whole life, and I've never heard it. In fact, there is little use in Australia of compound tags (such as "African-American" or "Italian-American"), even though there are sizable populations of persons of Italian, Greek and other non-Anglo origins. You just don't hear "Italian-Australian" very often. It varies, but the most common statement I've heard from people with Italian or Greek backgrounds is just to say "I'm Italian" or "I'm Greek", but then to say it in a broad Australian accent, which supplies the rest of the meaning. Which is also consonant with Australian ideas of national identity: sure, you're proud to be Australian, but you do it quietly, you don't wave flags or go in for hand-on-heart stuff. Even if the term "African-Australian" didn't sound so odd, it doesn't truly reflect my wife's background, either. Otherwise, it might be expected to apply equally to persons whose family had migrated in recent years from, say, Ghana, and those whose ancestors had been brought to the Americas as slaves. The term "African-American" is tied to the unique and special history and culture of black people in America, and it is for that reason that my wife is much more inclined to use it than anything else. I think Morgan is making reference to the same factors when he indicates that he does not currently use the term in reference to his children. I've played around with a number of what-if scenarios. We've considered trying out living in the States for a few years - you know, expose the kids to another culture, and try a change of lifestyle ourselves - which should be possible due to my wife's inherited citizenship. If she lived there, she herself would be accepted as simply African-American, no question. I doubt that her Australian background would be considered nearly as relevant as the fact of her African-American identity when actually _living_ in an American context, especially if we chose to hang around her African-American extended family. When it comes to our kids, it's another interesting question. One of our sons has dark curly hair, dark eyes, an olive complexion and some facial features that suggest his African-American background. The other has blue eyes, almost blond hair and very fair skin. I've wondered, then, if they were to go to school or university in the States, would one be accepted as African-American and the other not? How would I feel about that? In Australia, the question wouldn't arise since there is no widespread black African community, and it's much less likely that my older son's background would be identified quickly (he might be called Aboriginal, Maori, Tongan, south European, but probably not picked as being of African descent!) It'd be much more likely that they would just blend in - among their generation there are lots of kids with mixed backgrounds. Jason Covell - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:14:39 -0600 From: Clark Goble Subject: Re: [AML] GIBSON, _The Passion_ ___ | Here is the trailer for Mel Gibson's controversial new | movie about the last hours of Jesus' life, "The Passion" | (WARNING: it is graphically violent.) | | http://www.aintitcool.com/ThePassion.mov ___ There's blood everywhere. That's for sure. But comparing this to that=20 Book of Mormon movie. Whew. This one looks amazing. BTW - that woman who represents the devil. Does she look creepy or=20 what? Reminds me of Bergman's _Seventh Seal_ for some reason. (Which=20 I guess makes sense given the view of the keys of hell and death in=20 Catholic Theology) [Clark Goble] - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:29:10 EDT From: Derek1966@aol.com Subject: Re: [AML] GLBT In a message dated 7/21/03 01:24:47 PM, walterecurtis@earthlink.net writes: << Increasingly, one sees instances of GLBTI. Where does this come from? >> Increasingly where? I've never seen that acronym. What does the "I" stand for--Italian? John Perry Provo - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:18:32 -0600 From: Barbara Hume Subject: [AML] Item from Publishers Lunch writers might find interesting. . . Reviewing the Reviews: Krakauer Repeats Yes, it's time to check in on our delightful-if-slightly annoying survey of the books drawing attention from reviews at the nation's newspapers last week (through this Sunday). Jon Krakauer's UNDER THE BANNER OF HEAVEN: A Story of Violent Faith remains the book on most reviewers'desk for a second week, with another 8 reviews clipped. Michel Houellebecq's PLATFORM charted 6, and A. Scott Berg's KATE REMEMBERED followed with 5. As for publishers, Krakauer helped out Doubleday considerably: Doubleday 20 Knopf 14 S&S/Random/Putnam 10 each With over 8,500 full-length reviews clipped (and hyperlinked) and new ones added and scored every day, as we always like to say, our Book Review Index is far from perfect -- but it's really cool, and it gets better every day. Basically it's like a whole separate Publishers Lunch just for the nation's book reviews. And you get it along with all our other great features at PublishersMarketplace when you join as member. Check out the Book Review Index http://click.email-publisher.com/maabhsJaaZmfNa2wn8Cb/ barbara hume - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V2 #107 ******************************