From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V2 #170 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Friday, September 26 2003 Volume 02 : Number 170 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:58:21 -0600 From: "David and Dianna Graham" Subject: [AML] re: Form and Content in Theatre re: my last post: >Likewise, every member of this church is either a convert or descended from a convert, hence, we are all either former >heathens or are descended from one. (And sometimes, a lot of us fall back into some of our heathen ways). Uh oh. I haven't received any backlash for this yet, but I fear I may. So I'll get to the punch first. I'm not trying to imply that everyone who is not LDS is a heathen. I think you all know what I mean, so please just read into the writer, not into the writer's fumbling phraseology. Am I being defensive or just realistic? Or am I showing a lack of faith in you all, my friends? If it's the latter, I apologize. Love, Dianna Graham - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:13:21 -0700 From: Jeff Needle Subject: RE: [AML] POTTER & WELLINGTON, _Lehi in the Wilderness_ (Review) As always, I appreciate your words here. I found the authors' willingness to make such strident statements about "proof" to be off-setting. Thanks for the nice comments. At 08:26 AM 9/23/2003, you wrote: >Excellent points about _Lehi in the Wilderness_, Jeff. [snip] - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:08:41 -0700 From: "Clay Whipkey" Subject: Re: [AML] Supporting Mormon Movies I am not personally convinced that supporting the less graceful or less artistic films will lead to a degradation of the industry. I think we will see better results and better personal happiness if we focus more on the positive things we can do to support the art we appreciate, rather than the negative things we can do to destroy the art we find sub-standard. As it applies to film, and probably also literature, that would mean making absolutely sure that we encourage and support works that are great. Let the chips fall where they may on the rest. The Singles Ward's being successful doesn't kill the chance for more Brigham City's to be made. Its the lack of support for Brigham City's that will do that. cheers, Clay Whipkey _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:29:15 -0700 From: "Clay Whipkey" Subject: Re: [AML] Candor in Discussions >From: "Kathy Tyner" >BUT, if that person has let themselves be held up as a good role model, >doing things like firesides, youth conferences, Ed week presentations, etc. >and used that good reputation to sell their art or products, schmooze with >important people in the Church, and in general, enrich themselves from the >good will and admiration of The Saints, and if they do something dishonest, >unethical, immoral or dishonorable, then I think they are just going to >have >to take some heat for their choices, and own up that they've probably >disappointed and hurt a lot of people. Do I think they should be hounded >endlessly? No. (And parents need to choose carefully and wisely who they >hold up to their kids as roles models anyway). OK, should I be glad I don't live in Utah? I don't understand this concept of Mormon Celebrities, but I don't even know a soul personally who holds any of them up as role models. I've not met a person yet who thinks Kurt Bestor is their example, or Richard Dutcher, or Steve Young, or Orrin Hatch, or Janice Kapp Perry. Are there really people out there who do? I see respect and admiration for: The Savior, Joseph Smith, past and present prophets, apostles, other general authorities, stake presidents, bishops. That's about it. Of course the paramount role model for them will be my wife and myself (praying that I can carry that load gracefully). I sure as heck ain't gonna hang the testimonies of my kids on a random person because they are mormon and they did something that made them quasi-famous. I hope my kids learn to admire the guy who faithfully home teaches his families because he loves them. Living your life everyday with integrity and charity for your fellow humans, that is worth real admiration. Even if a guy is doing firesides and giving talks and all that... if we don't know how they live their life when no one's looking, why are they role models? Clay Whipkey _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:38:25 -0700 From: "Kathy Tyner" Subject: Re: [AML] Gordon Jump Dies He was indeed in the Temple film. The one that was used before 1990 I believe. He also did some member missionary videos and commercials. The thing I liked about Gordon Jump was that he seemed perfectly comfortable about who he was including being a Latter-day Saint. He didn't come off as pompous or pushy, in fact he could be quite funny. I've often thought that's the way to do it-Be a good example while being yourself. Kathy Tyner Orange County, CA - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:58:54 EDT From: JanaRiess@aol.com Subject: [AML] Re: Adapting the Scriptures In a message dated 9/24/03 10:27:26 PM, owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > > One of the primary culprits of this danger (found in the BOM movie) is > poor characterization. Laman and Lemuel are bad guys. Many popularized > venues (like the BOM movie--watch for my review in a future Irreantum) > depict L&L as baddies from fade-in/curtain-rise/word one. No character > arc, no in-depth character study of why they acted the way they did, no > complex characterization showing good traits along with the bad. Just > baddies. They might as well wear black hats. > Good point. If they haven't fired me as GD teacher by next year, I want to try to make the same point about L & L that I made this year about the Pharisees in the NT: Um, that would have been us, folks. We find it so easy to caricature people like L & L because we are secretly terrified that we're just like them: we have marvelous spiritual experiences but then can't believe that God would ever do a New Thing. And like the Pharisees, we're deeply suspicious of anyone *else* who would suggest that God might do a New Thing. We caricature these people because it's comforting for us to try to create distance between ourselves and them. We'd all love to believe that we would have accepted Lehi's visions, not criticized Jesus for healing on the Sabbath, etc. Jana Riess - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:18:23 -0600 From: "Annette Lyon" Subject: Re: [AML] _Joseph_ in Utah I've done some theater, but not for over a decade. I did Joseph (I > swear we were the first ones in Utah Valley; I had never heard of > the play when I auditioned, but as soon as we did it, productions > went on everywhere and keep going) Here's what I know about the history of "Joseph" in Utah Valley -- maybe all of Utah. Okay, I suppose I should have qualified that--I knew about the BYU production, but it was probably a decade before ours. I meant that our version was the first of the virtual non-ending stream of Joseph productions in the last ten of fifteen years. Annette Lyon - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:46:44 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] Supporting Mormon Movies Since I'm a sahm, most of the movies we see come > from the library. Dear Tequitia, would you please explain? Thankyou. Marilyn Brown - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:44:05 -0600 From: Steve Perry Subject: [AML] BofM and Geography (was: POTTER & WELLINGTON, _Lehi in the Wilderness_) On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 09:26 AM, Margaret Young wrote: > Anyway, the whole idea of the geography is really beside the point, > isn't it. You can scour all of Central America, write a book > describing > each geographical location, take pretty pictures, but if you haven't > gotten the same message that permeates all scripture--that charity is > key to every spiritual gift--you haven't really got much. Margaret, I'm not so sure the geography is beside the point at all. Mormon said he only wrote a hundredth part of the full account of his people. So why did he spend entire chapters talking about weights and measures, the wilderness and the land bountiful, etc? Many of these mentions may have symbolism and meaning beyond the plain surface of the words. Nephi said his people did not understand the scriptures because they did not know the manner of prophesying (sp?) among the Jews. I don't think most of us do either, but starting to realize what is there can be instructional and eye opening. Are weights and measures written in chiastic form? What's the important part right at the center of it? Is Christ the mediator and balancer of accounts? Is that the point? Are the contrasts of the land of desolation and the land bountiful symbols of the results of which side we choose as we stumble through our current narrow neck of land threading so tenuously between them? You are correct, of course, that charity is above all and the rest is tinkling cymbals and tinkling brass without it, but understanding the geography of the Book of Mormon may be as meaningful as understanding the times and context of what and why Paul was writing to the Romans. Just a few ideas for thought, Steve - -- skperry@mac.com Listen to "The Cricket & Seagull Fireside Chat" online at: http://www.wordofmouthmedia.net/cricket&seagull.html - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:07:05 -0600 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] POTTER & WELLINGTON, _Lehi in the Wilderness_ (Review) You can scour all of Central America, write a book describing > each geographical location, take pretty pictures, but if you haven't > gotten the same message that permeates all scripture--that charity is > key to every spiritual gift--you haven't really got much. > I was so grateful to read Margaret's apt statement in her discussion of "Lehi in the Wilderness." I think what warmed me in reading the book was that it was about the DISCOVERY PROCESS even more than it was about the results. These are not really "writers," but explorers, risk-takers---bumptious, funny, adventurous. The book is about them as much as it is Lehi. And if they were a little over-enthusiastic about their pronouncements, it is because it was hot and sweaty business, and after the dust and grime, they wanted to say "Voila!" Jeff and Margaret are right, of course. They weren't perhaps as careful as they should have been. They do not seem to be scholars as much as story-tellers. I found it an interesting read, especially the stories about themselves. The "charity" that comes through the text for me is that they cared enough to stick to the gritty road that no one else had taken so that we could brighten our imaginations. Cheers! Marilyn Brown - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:02:43 -0400 From: Cathrynlane@cs.com Subject: RE: [AML] Adapting the Scriptures Margaret said "I resisted the cartoon versions of the BOM characters ("Living Scriptures")and found Laman and Lemuel insufferably villainous, complete with melodramatic pauses for us to focus on their scheming faces..." I'm in my 10th year of teaching Seminary (to the Church's smallest early morning Seminary Class) and each year at training we go over the importance of good doctrine and what can be part of the curriculum. The only source that has ever been specifically stated that we may never use is "Living Scriptures". I wonder what ideas are being formed by children who watch a steady diet of them. - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:28:26 +0000 From: "Elizabeth Petty Bentley" Subject: Re: [AML] Online/Correspondence Writing Classes? >From: Darvell Hunt >I'm at a time in my "writing career" that I'd like to concentrate on honing >my writing skills. I've contemplated going back to school to get a creative >writing degree . . . So I've decided to look into either online or by-mail >correspondence writing classes. . . . Any class suggestions? Credit or >non-credit classes would be considered. > >Darvell Vermont College (in Montpelier) has creative writing programs which are limited-residency (one week, twice a year). It offers both a bachelor's degree in liberal arts and a couple of MA's in its ADP (Adult Degree Program). One is specifically in children's literature. I finished up my bachelor's a couple of years ago and was very satisfied with the help I got from my advisors, who were all published writers (two novelists and a poet). I wrote most of a novel over two semesters, in addition to the regular course work. I met a few of the MA people during residency, and they were equally well satisfied. Beth _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:54:52 GMT From: Larry Jackson Subject: [AML] Re: Candor in Discussions Jonathan reminds us: [MOD: Just to clarify... once something is posted here, neither I nor anyone else has any way of controlling where that information might go.] >From experience, I have developed two internet rules. 1. Don't ever send anything in an e-mail, public or private (there is no such thing, actually) that you would not mind seeing on a billboard while driving to work the following morning. 2. Keep a copy of everything you send, so that when it comes back to you in its contorted form, you will be able to begin your damage control response with, "What I actually said was ..." I confess to not always following these rules, but for the most part I try to follow them. It has saved me some serious grief. Does this affect what I say? Sure it does. It makes me a nicer person, and when I have a problem with something, it makes me rethink the reasons why, and whether or not I will be able to defend them. It makes me a better writer. And I will admit it has resulted in a slightly better review for an author or two. Slightly. (Or should I say, more honest?) Larry Jackson ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:12:28 -0500 From: "Thom Duncan" Subject: Re: [AML] Adapting the Scriptures - --- Original Message --- From: "Susan Malmrose" To: Subject: Re: [AML] Adapting the Scriptures >> What's even scarier than what Jon suggests about people being so bored by the >> BOM movie that they don't delve into the actual Book is the very real >> possibility that they WON'T be bored by the movie and will be looking for >> Nephi's love interest all through I Nephi. Then before long, they'll hit >> Isaiah. Major wall there. > >Isaiah's a major wall for anyone, anytime. (Except those well-versed in him! :) > >I think this fear is pretty much unwarranted. A movie is a movie, people realize >this. How many people saw The Ten Commandments or The Prince of Egypt and assumed >they were accurate? Then read the Bible and tossed it aside because it didn't match >up with the movie? > >Note: I haven't seen the Ten Commandments and can't say how accurate it is--but note >that *because* it's a movie, I assume it's inaccurate. Well, they left out the scene in the Bible where Moses boils all the gold and makes the sinners drink it, thus dying a horrible death. So, yes, they did leave out part of it. They have to. On occasion, though, one nmust also add stuff to make the story work. Thom - -- Thom Duncan - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:24:54 -0500 From: "Thom Duncan" Subject: Re: [AML] Adapting the Scriptures - --- Original Message --- From: "Susan Malmrose" >It's the Spirit that converts. Who's to say someone doesn't see the movie, thinks >"man those Mormons can't make movies worth crap--but I never knew that's what the >Book of Mormon is about!" and picks up a copy to read. Perhaps. But think how many more will pick up the BofM if the movie is good? - -- Thom Duncan - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:18:59 -0600 From: "Eric Samuelsen" Subject: RE: [AML] Book Burning Justified? The Laird Jim offered this provocative thought: =20 >What happens when online publishing=20 >takes over completely? When hardcopy is a luxury? Some vile little=20 >wanker of a hacker will write himself a virus to destroy or corrupt=20 >every copy of _The Deerslayer_ and the only remaining hardcopy versions >will be somewhere in a vault collecting dust. What a tragedy that=20 >would be. Although Jim's concerns do indeed send a shiver down the spine, his post gives me the opportunity to tell y'all about a book I just read. Let me recommend to you a very fun little novel, The Eyre Affair by Jasper Fford. My wife is a big fan of Jasper Fford, and she turned me on to his work. This is essentially the situation he describes. The villain, in this book, is a guy who gets in a time machine and rewrites the original manuscript of Jane Eyre. And so, in the modern world, all copies of Jane Eyre are likewise altered. An international emergency, to be dealt with by a special British police unit specializing in literary crimes. Part of what I love about Fford is that he imagines a future world in which literature is taken VERY VERY seriously. =20 Eric Samuelsen - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:32:23 -0600 From: "David and Dianna Graham" Subject: [AML] Children of Eden Scott Bronson said, regarding "Joseph...Dreamcoat": >It took less than ten years to become canonized. >I think we should move on now to "Children of Eden." Since my two favorite theatre composers are the Stephen S's (Sondheim and Schwartz), I have no problem with _Children of Eden_ being given more attention and respect than that one other play. My only fear is that Utah would beat the show into the ground like a dead horse, and what was once a sweet masterpiece will become overdone pulp. I'm okay if there's about one production every 5 years. Love, Dianna Graham, one of Mr. Schwartz's greatest living fans, and I swear if I ever meet him in person I'll have a hard time resisting the temptation to just pounce on him and hug him to death and then thank him profusely for everything he's ever written... :) - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:42:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "R.W. Rasband" Subject: [AML] Deseret News: Too Scanty! Y Pulls "Sports Illustrated" Deseret News, Thursday, September 25, 2003 Too scanty! Y. paper pulls Sports Illustrated inserts 9 bare-bottom photos too much for staffers to bear By Tad Walch Deseret Morning News PROVO =97 There are nine bare bottoms in this week's edition of Sports Illustrated on Campus =97 and that's why the magazine hasn't been inserted in today's copies of the Brigham Young University student newspaper, The Daily Universe. =20 Sports Illustrated selected 70 college campuses as test markets this fall for a new magazine aimed at college students. When it told BYU it was on the list, officials at the school =97 owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints =97 made it clear up front there would be some strict rules. =20 No beer, no tobacco and certainly no bare bottoms. =20 Magazine representatives accepted BYU's demands and said they would not run alcohol and tobacco advertisements. When they agreed not to force BYU to=20 distribute the swimsuit issue, the Universe began to insert the slick, 28-page magazine into the 18,500 papers it distributes across campus each Thursday. However, Universe staffers pulled the magazine last week because of a swimsuit ad and declined this week's edition of Sports Illustrated on campus because of an article about some colleges where it is a tradition to play sports naked. The story is accompanied by a photograph of nine naked male and female rear ends. =20 "We couldn't run that article unless I tore out 18,500 copies of that picture," said Casey Stauffer, advertising manager at the Universe. =20 Faculty and staff administrators at NewsNet, the school's combined student newspaper, Web and television news organization, decided Monday afternoon to refuse the insert but continue running it on a week-by-week basis. The decision was backed by university administrators and the chairman of the communications=20 department. =20 NewsNet managing editor David Randall, a senior from Centerville, said the magazine is a popular feature among students and lends an air of professionalism=20 to the student paper. "It's the advertising staff that has all of these outlandish restrictions about what they can't run," Randall said, "but it's understandable because they want to keep the ads up to the par of our honor code." =20 BYU has a strict honor code that prohibits immodest clothing, premarital or extramarital sex and the use of alcohol, tobacco or drugs. =20 Randall is concerned the decision and a headline in the Universe on Wednesday might give students the impression their newspaper was censored. "I think people already feel that way," he said, "and the headline missed the mark. It said the magazine had 'inappropriate material for BYU' rather than=20 saying the material was 'deemed' inappropriate by the paper. It's as if the Daily Universe is a sham and is acting as the voice of the university instead of as a student newspaper." (If the shoe fits...--R.W. Rasband) =20 However, students generally agreed with the decision to pull the magazines. They also were pleased Sports Illustrated agreed to several of BYU's demands. "I think it's kinda cool BYU has these standards and that they affected the nation through Sports Illustrated's advertising standards," said Spencer Lake, a senior from Eugene, Ore. =20 Some were disappointed that Sports Illustrated seemed not to be following its agreement. "It makes me more skeptical of Sports Illustrated if they make an agreement and then back out of it," said Ethan Bratt, a senior from Pennsylvania. The contract between the magazine and the school allows Sports Illustrated to terminate the deal if NewsNet drops three inserts during the year. "We may have to cancel the thing if this is going to continue on a regular basis," Randall said. "If students can't count on the magazine every Thursday,=20 we're really losing some of the benefit of having it." =20 Lake, the senior from Oregon, isn't worried about missing out on this week's edition. "I'm not sure that I was looking forward to seeing a bunch of naked athletes in Sports Illustrated," he said. E-mail: twalch@desnews.com =A9 2003 Deseret News Publishing Company=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D R.W. Rasband Heber City, UT rrasband@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:57:09 -0400 From: "Tracie Laulusa" Subject: [AML] Artists' Personal Lives (was: Candor in Discussions) [MOD: This, I think, gets us into an interesting area which we have discussed before, but could probably profitably discuss again, as a general topic. That is, to what degree and in what ways *does* our knowledge of an artist's life affect our interpretation and acceptance of that artist's work? To what degree and in what ways *should* it do so?] I understand what you're saying. And I have no idea who's post exactly you were replying to. However, I feel, especially in the realm of newspaper stories, that you can't base your assumptions of someone's sins and repentance on what was contained in an article. You have no way of knowing if the story is even close to the truth. If members of the church want to attend education weeks, firesides, and whatever else, and base their decisions on what to buy based on how white a guy's shirt is, or whether he could place an RM behind his name.....well, it seems a little silly to me. As you say, everyone has sinned and fallen short. So what difference should it make in whether we find a person's music well written, fun to listen to, or moving? >From my own personal experience: there is a couple that is very close to me in whom I have observed this behavior. She tells just about everyone who wil listen her version of whatever little tiff they've had. He rarely says anything about it. As a result, unless you were sitting in the room while the dispure was taking place, you would have a distorted view of what happened. >From another recent experience: I recently moved and have one neighbor (I'll call him Fred) within an mile of my house. As it happens, in the course of our conversation we discovered that we had a mutual acquaintance (I'll call him Joe)--a coworker of my neighbor, and a fellow CES associate of mine. I happened to run into Joe and mentioned that he knew my new neighbor. He said, "Oh! Fred......." and went on to say several uncomplimentary things. Now these uncomplimentary things were already things I had discovered for myself. Fred tends to exagerate. He seems to feel a need to make out his role in any situation as being powerful or profound. He's also lonely and a bit of a flirt. However, Fred, in speaking of Joe only had nice things to say. I found myself pondering over the next couple of days, and reached the conclusion that I'd rather have Fred for a friend. In the case of making comments about an artist--seperate from their work--how could you know, unless you were there or privy to both sides of the story what really happened, who said or did what, or who or what to believe? Chances are, even if you heard both sides, if you had been there to see it you would think the truth lay somewhere inbetween. Thus I believe that when addressing the subject of someone's supposed behavior it is best to talk about the behavior divorced from the individual in question, then to leave it in context of an individual artist. And probably much more benificial to us all. Tracie Laulusa - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:17:09 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Chantaclair" Subject: [AML] Re: BofM Movie If someone is going to dismiss the BoM based on a movie, then I tend to think they would have dismissed it anyway. ~ Susan Marlow=0D =0D I'd have to say, Susan, that you have expressed my sentiments as well. G= ood bad or ugly, more exposure almost is always a good thing. The more the=20 world' understands about 'us' has to be better, even if it is 'Ugh'. Bot= tom line, the book stands on its own merits. A movie is only going to get it more read, not less. =0D =0D Marsha Steed=0D http://Chantaclair.com/Parlor.htm=0D Come read my latest Ezine=20 - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:54:21 -0600 From: "Gae Lyn Henderson" Subject: RE: [AML] BofM Movie Viewed - -----Original Message----- From: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Margaret Blair Young S If there is a scene like that, one depicting a sudden "mark" rather than a change of lifestyle for Nephites and Lamanites, then this movie takes on a whole new level of danger. I agree with Margaret. But the fact is that such an assertion is made in LDS scripture. I certainly read it in the Book of Mormon--although the wording has been changed to be less offensive. Can I reconcile this belief with my conscience? Not really. Gae Lyn Henderson - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:58:58 -0600 From: "Amy Chamberlain" Subject: Re: [AML] Supporting Mormon Movies Maybe not, but I am convinced that supporting such things would lead to a degradation of _myself_. How can I possibly support something that is less than excellent and still look at myself in the mirror every morning? I much prefer the role of finding those pieces of art, whatever they are, that are more excellent than 99.9% of the rest of their genre, and lauding them in order to draw the public's attention to them. Amy Chamberlain - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Whipkey" > I am not personally convinced that supporting the less graceful or less > artistic films will lead to a degradation of the industry. I think we will > see better results and better personal happiness if we focus more on the > positive things we can do to support the art we appreciate, rather than the > negative things we can do to destroy the art we find sub-standard. [snip] - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:17:08 EDT From: Terashan@aol.com Subject: Re: [AML] Supporting Mormon Movies In a message dated 9/26/03 12:34:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wwbrown@burgoyne.com writes: > Since I'm a sahm, most of the movies we see come > >from the library. > > Dear Tequitia, would you please explain? Thankyou. Marilyn Brown What I meant by that is we're on a tight budget and can't afford to go to the video store or movies to see the latest flick. The library gets some of the latest movies, but the selection is still limited. Tequitia Andrews Staff Writer Mormonchic.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:40:23 -0600 From: Steve Perry Subject: Re: [AML] BofM Movie Viewed On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 05:05 PM, RichardDutcher@aol.com wrote: > But, please, someone, say something. I am starved for entertainment. > Is it > brilliant? Does is schlurp? What's the deal? Well... some of us have also seen "Bambi" and remember the advice Thumper got from his mother. :-) Steve P. - -- skperry@mac.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:47:30 -0600 From: Steve Perry Subject: Re: [AML] BofM Movie Viewed On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 08:09 AM, Margaret Blair Young wrote: > My strong reaction to racism is well-known to the AML list, so nobody > should be > surprised that Barbara Hume's report on the BOMM was particularly > upsetting to > me on that count--that the movie depicts "Indians" coming into being > because > some people became wicked. Of course, I know which scripture > precipitated that > (I've dealt with it for years), but I am DEEPLY troubled if this movie > is in any > way equating dark skin with a mark of wickedness. Margaret, Fear not, you can save your adrenaline rush for another issue. There is a bit of dancing around the fire at night with face paint and beads and shrieking and grimacing directly into the camera--if you see it you will laugh or cringe, but not be incensed. Steve P. - -- skperry@mac.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:03:13 -0600 From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: RE: [AML] Sugar Beet and Satire Some of the very best satire of Mormon culture I've seen is unintentionally produced by the online Meridian Magazine, both articles and advertisements. For example, they recently ran a hilarious ad for a new board game called "The Atonement: Miracle of Christ's Love." (For more info, visit http://www.buildingziontogether.com/Page.html.) I don't take time to read many of their articles, but sometimes they almost make the Ensign look worldly in comparison. Chris Bigelow - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:35:07 -0500 From: "Thom Duncan" Subject: Re: [AML] Gordon Jump Dies - --- Original Message --- >The thing I liked about Gordon Jump was that he seemed perfectly >comfortable about who he was including being a Latter- day Saint. >He didn't come off as pompous or pushy, in fact he could be quite >funny. I've often thought that's the way to do it-Be a good example >while being yourself. Gordon Jump told a story once about a woman who wrote him a letter complaining about his role on the old series "Soap" (pretty controversial at the time). She was LDS and thought he shouldn't be in such a sleazy show. She lived locally (LA at the time) and he paid her a personal visit. He explained to her why he, as a practicing Mormon, chose to be in such shows. He explained how he saw it as a missionary effort. He had many people ask him about the Church because of his standards. I find his life very encouraging to actors who might be thinking of becoming professionals in the entertainment world. Don't fear it! - -- Thom Duncan - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:14:34 -0600 From: "Eugene Woodbury" Subject: Re: [AML] SF versus SciFi My beef with the term "warp" on Star Trek is that it is a perfectly valid scientific principal applied without a scintilla of logic. An actual warp would be more or less instantaneous, in terms of actual travel, not plottable on an analog graph. The Enterprise actually seems to be powered by sort of Newtonian drive--the more stuff you throw out the rear, the faster you go forward. Considering the work being done with ion drives in the real world, the more rational extrapolation would be for the Enterprise to be powered by a tachyonic ion drive, or something. This isn't just nitpicking. Rules--about human nature, about science--make for realistic drama. For example, the syndicated space opera Andromeda (credited to Roddenberry, but produced by his wife after his death) I consider superior to Star Trek in the handling of this same issue. The starship in this case can only "warp" under certain conditions, with specific requirements and consequences, following certain rules, which disciplines the drama. Rules raise the stakes and the realism. Actions have consequences, so you just can't do anything whenever you want. Because the writer has to think ahead and consider them, so do the characters. Another favorite example of this is on Buffy when Spike lectures a young vampire about what one can and cannot do on Halloween. Joss Whedon had established this rule way back in the first season, so it was not simply a convenience concocted on the spur of the moment in order to write a plot out of a corner. Eugene Woodbury - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:24:12 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: [AML] Genres (was: Romance and Pornography) Terashan@aol.com wrote: > I don't like categorizing writers with genres. > I think that being categorized in such a > way puts limitations on your writing. It may, but genres are not going away. They are a well-entrenched part of the American publishing scene. You'll need to deal with them. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V2 #170 ******************************