From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V2 #214 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Monday, November 3 2003 Volume 02 : Number 214 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:43:58 -0700 From: "Brown" Subject: Re: [AML] in favor of vitriol My point, of course, is that we > can be passionately bored by something we simply don't understand--which is > an indictment of us, not the art. Dear Margaret! This is so profound! I remember LEARNING about Ravi Shankar when Lloyd Miller enlisted me to play the flute for recordings of mid-eastern and Indian music. Yes! I got so I loved it! Bless you! The= truth comes out of my twin's mouth! Marilyn Brown - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:51:08 -0800 From: "Susan Malmrose" Subject: Re: [AML] Story vs words > Maybe this is why there are so many books published where the plot is > strong and the writing is weak; perhaps it's harder to find writers who > can actually tell a story than to find writers who can string together > lovely sentences. And, in general, we as a population hunger more for a > well-told story than a well-turned phrase. I look at the trouble I can > get myself into, structurally, in a 17-page short story and marvel at > Stephen King. Not just, "How can he think up all those stories?" which > is a gift unto itself, but how can he *plot* them all? All the > transitions, the flashbacks, the point-of-view switches, the balance of > summary and scene, the foreshadowing, the satisfying endings. I mean, > truly, that's tricky stuff. I haven't read it, but I've heard Stephen King wrote a book about= bookwriting. Anyone read it? Any good? Susan M[almrose] - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:54:11 -0700 From: Margaret Young Subject: RE: [AML] Dialogue needs fiction I'm assuming Levi will answer this, but in case he doesn't, he and Karen Maloney are the new editors. Karen Rosenbaum is the fiction editor. I've been helping edit fiction for the past year or so. May I just add to= Levi's note that we have particular need for quality fiction written by WOMEN. [Margaret Young] - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:10:42 -0700 From: Margaret Young Subject: RE: [AML] in favor of vitriol Wish you coulda been there, Thom. [Margaret Young] - -----Original Message----- From: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com YOU GET TO SEE RAVI SHANKUR?! - -- Thom Duncan - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:07:38 -0700 From: "Clark Goble" Subject: RE: [AML] Stylistic choices ___ Eugene quoting Stephen King ___ | 4. on Page 120: When debating whether or not to make some | pernicious dandelion of an adverb part of your dialogue | attribution, I suggest you ask yourself if you really want | to write the sort of prose . . . . ___ On the other hand I loved Tom Swift books as a kid. I think I managed to save up and collect all of those old hard backs (the yellow ones) along with all the original Hardy Boys. I also had a full collection of Edgar Rice Burroughs minus I think only three books. (Obscure ones obviously) Kind of funny rereading them now that I'm an adult with a more sophisticated pallet for the texture or texts. In a way they suck. But in an other way they have a kind of interesting charm all of their own. So I suppose my perception is more akin to how Tarantino views old cheesy B-movies from the 60's and 70's. (I admit that while I understand the complaints, to me _Kill Bill_ was very enjoyable. The violence isn't very realistic and is a sendup of cheesy movies. The violence with the swords is on par with Monty Python and the Holy Grail's "black knight.") But I agree with the less is more school of creative writing. I'm amazed at how most books are now 400 - 500 pages when often they could be 100 - 200 pages without much loss of impact. But of course I tend to put Stephen King in that category too. To me his best work was the original Gunslinger stories which he has now gone and rewritten. (Someone told me it was because he felt it was too artsy!) [Clark Goble] - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:24:13 -0500 From: "Amelia Parkin" Subject: Re: [AML] _Eve and the Choice Made in Eden_ Richard, I've read the book (actually wrote a review of it for Irreantum so watch for= it in upcoming issues). The book has some pretty serious stylistic issues. = It's certainly by no stretch of the imagination a well written work. The most value I found in it was that it made me think about some important issues because it didn't adequately address them. I was disappointed because it had a lot of very interesting potentional and because Campbell makes the very interesting claim that a better understanding of the story of= Adam and Eve, the Garden, the Fall, and especially Eve's role in these stories would solve some of the problems that now exist between men and women and in society's perception of women. Personally, I think she's right. I just don't think she did the best possible job of making her argument. Hope that's helpful. amelia parkin - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:50:16 -0500 From: "b5dorsai" Subject: Re: [AML] Glenn Beck http://www.glennbeck.com/about/index.shtml His bio on his web site says that "Beck describes himself as a Mormon whose politics lean toward libertarian but also promotes traditional family values. " Rick Thomas - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:44:22 -0700 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] Dialogue needs fiction Margaret Young wrote: > I'm assuming Levi will answer this, but in case he doesn't, he and Karen > Maloney are the new editors. Karen Rosenbaum is the fiction editor. = I've > been helping edit fiction for the past year or so. May I just add to=3D > Levi's > note that we have particular need for quality fiction written by WOMEN. WIsh you'd said this sooner. I'd have sent my submission in under a female pseudonym. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V2 #214 ******************************