From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #157 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Monday, June 23 1997 Volume 01 : Number 157 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: BtVS Character Names Re: BUFFY: Solstice Talk, Attractiveness, et al BUFFY: Note from Jesse BUFFY: BtVS Character Names Re: BUFFY: How old is Alyson Re: BUFFY: A question from a newbie BUFFY: 3 girls pic/mag BUFFY: That Fake Keeper, and Lying BUFFY: Re: Beauty Re: BUFFY: Re: Beauty BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon Re: BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon BUFFY: Re: Beauty BUFFY: Buffy Dubba Re: BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon Re: BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon BUFFY: Buffy Theme Song BUFFY: Mission: Successful! BUFFY: OFF: Oh Dear EarthQuake! BUFFY: HOW DO WE GET IN TOUCH WITH WB? BUFFY: HOW DO WE GET IN TOUCH WITH WB? Re: BUFFY: Mission: Successful! Re: BUFFY: Buffy Theme Song Re: BUFFY: HOW DO WE GET IN TOUCH WITH WB? BUFFY: Fan Name Re: BUFFY: Re: Beauty BUFFY: Title Sequence Questions, etc. Re: BUFFY: Mission: Successful! Re: BUFFY: Fan Name Re: BUFFY: Fan Name BUFFY: Re:Fan Name BUFFY: Earthqaukes and Buffy RE: BUFFY: Fan Clubs BUFFY: Re: Insane Ramblings of a Buffy Lover.... BUFFY: I'm Outta Here BUFFY: ALL fan clubs? See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Wolfkazzy@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: BtVS Character Names In a message dated 97-06-23 03:26:40 EDT, you write: > that the name Xander is a form of > 'Alexander'. In the ep with the Witch, Willow and Buffy were looking on the computer checking out who checked out the books on witchcraft they both said Xander's full name: Alexander Harris. Wolfkazzy Keeper of Angel's Soul "I can walk like a man, but I'm not one."--Angel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:25:17 -0500 From: Tracey Newton Subject: Re: BUFFY: Solstice Talk, Attractiveness, et al Ok, here's a bunch of responses on different topics that have randomly appeared in my head while I was checking my e-mail and pretending to do work: On the Solstice Topic: Luke mentions something about "three days after the newest light". We don't know what "newest light" is talking about. It could be the new moon...I don't know how soon after the new moon comes the cresent moon though. It could be the birth of a new star that was simply not mentioned, but is crucial to the destiny line. I think Giles had the more precise reference with the first cresent moon after the Solstice. On the Would Buffy have Fighting Companions if She Wasn't Attractive Topic: I think all slayers will have the innate attractiveness that comes from extreme physical fitness, youth, health, and a purpose. So, Buffy would have that at the very very least. Other than that, I think she would always be able to find someone/somebodies to support her, though perhaps not to the extent that Willow and Xander do...I think she is just very very lucky in this instance. That's all my ramblings for now!! Be well, Tracey tan3@cornell.edu Keeper of the Cluelessness of the Rest of the School ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:41:22 -0400 From: "romana@mindspring.com" Subject: BUFFY: Note from Jesse This bounced due to an administrative request in it. Can't quite figure out what it is, but I masked what I think is the offending term. --S ***** From: Jesse Jou Subject: Re: BUFFY: mo' combined replies Kathryn the Librarian wrote: >> Or are there good sides to living on the >> Hellmouth? If you're an unpopular guy, you stand a good chance of getting lucky with some undead chick who gives great hickeys and getting turned into some unspeakably horrific, but masculine and potent, m*mber of the legions of the damned (like Jesse). If you're an unpopular girl, you stand a good chance of getting lucky with some tortured undead hunk who is totally into respecting "boundaries" and who can't bring himself to give you a hickey although you'd probably slice open a vein for him if he just blinked at you funny (like Buffy). On the bad side... If you're an unpopular guy, you stand a good chance of being mated and mutilated with a chick who's really a praying mantis or getting possessed by an animal spirit that gives you a yen for porcine sushi (like Xander) If you're an unpopular girl, you stand a good chance of hooking up with some Internet sicko who doesn't even have the decency to be a human being or falling for the potentially fatal version of the old "I know a shortcut through the cemetery" schtick when all you wanted was some "Chunky Monkey" from Ben & J's (like Willow). Re: Cordelia Chase Must Die! the thread. Maybe Cordelia could be kinda like the Adric character of BtVS and she can be annoying and smart for a season then sacrifice herself for the group and (to steal from Reality Bites) everyone shows up at her funeral in chokers and haltertops. And then over the closing credits they could show her pair of $200 shoes only with a broken heel. Very symbolic and Buffy could be quite moved. ;-) Re: The Solstice Thread Must Die! the thread. Again Maytree has given us another excellently argued analysis that has raised nothing but more excellent questions. She is a mighty instigator of discourse and I salute her! Huzzah! :-) I think that the producers and Joss just didn't do their research on this point and decided to go for the "ooooooh, they used the word solstice so it must be something magical and mysterious!" factor. Wow, the weekends always produce such interesting things! JJ - -- Sharon * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com Ask me about the Buffy the Vampire Slayer mailing list The Buffy Mailing List page: http://www.mindspring.com/~romana/buffylist/ "Her church is sarcastic." --Randomly generated ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:47:20 -0400 From: BalloJ Subject: BUFFY: BtVS Character Names as a practising forensic pathologist just a thought: from the OED: buffy ("bUfI), a.1 [f. buff n.2 and a. + -y1.] 1. Of a colour approaching to buff. 1842 Blackw. Mag. LI. 678 A buffy line across the horizon. 1850 Frasers Mag. XLII. 188 Tail feathers with buffy white terminations. 2. Physiol. Applied to blood having a buff or buffy coat. 1782 S. F. Simmons in Med. Commun. I. 122 A coagulum.. of a firm buffy texture. 1827 Abernethy Surg. Wks. II. 11 The blood, on standing, appeared very buffy. 18356 Todd Cycl. Anat. & Phys. I. 424/2 A buffy crust is..formed on the surface of the clo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:21:31 -0400 (EDT) From: DaisyFoo14@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: How old is Alyson In a message dated 97-06-23 00:20:04 EDT, jen@pacwest.net (Jennifer Hawthorne) writes: << Why do casting directors never put high school age kids in high school roles >? You would think that woulld be a logical conclusion for most shows, eh ? >> Also, if the series continues for a few years, and the show isn't supposed to, like it takes place in one year, the character changes in the younger actors would be much more dramatic and noticeable. - --Allison DaisyFoo14@aol.com Keeper of Cordelia's Cell phone Cordelia: "It's just such a tragedy for me. Emma was like my best friend!" Xander: "Emily." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:27:58 -0600 From: "Jodie Lee King" Subject: Re: BUFFY: A question from a newbie Wolfkazzy asks: > Any speculations on David's height? Is *just perfect* specific enough?? Wish they would update the David Boreanaz Bio on the official web site. He's even more mysterious that Angel. >Nobody knows for sure but the current speculation is that he lives near or by the Bronze and also he **could** be the owner of theBronze. I have oft wondered where he gets his income. (I suppose his food bills aren't high. Do you think vampires with souls might pizza just to be sociable.) He must be paying some kind of rent or something and of course there are the power bills, plus clothing and furniture. It would be great if he owned the Bronze. Wonder where he gets his blood supply and how often he has to top it up. Jodie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:43:52 PDT From: "Maddy :)" Subject: BUFFY: 3 girls pic/mag there was this pic of >the women of BtVS (Sarah, Charisma, and Alyson) standing in front of the >lockers and laughing away. This pic is on my Sarah page in the picture gallery-public appearances/magazine section www.internet2k.com/sarahworld - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:32:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: That Fake Keeper, and Lying Hi all, If you are wondering that person who was plagiarzing my GASPer site finally emailed me back to say she changed the site (but she is still trying to give away stuff ppl already keep), but get this - she tried to claim that she never saw my site: First she plagiarizes my site and then she lies that she did it when she got caught red handed, my reply: Well, I don't believe you, know why? Cause some of these things didn't exist on the show ppl made them up (Library Card, Insecurity, Barvery, Lost Faith, Elusive Smile) and I have all 110 emails proving each claim and creation of each title if it wasn't on the show. And another thing it looks like you went down the list of keepers on my pages an copied most of them, Cause on my page it starts out with "Coats& Ties - MINE, Dread Machine - Elaine's and Library Keys - Cagey's, and looky here, that's how yours starts out to, but without the rightful keepers next time them! And if you really did make them up yourself why didn't you just separate Coats and Ties as one section each, unlike me who claimed them together. There was no library card shown on the show for Giles, the keeper made it up, and why not just "Smile" but instead "Elusive Smile"? Because you stole it from the person who made it up, and the only place to do that is from my site! You are obviously very young and have no idea how many ppl you've pissed off. Well I have informed 4 mailing lists that deal with the show, the Official Buffy Postingboard that the creator of the show and the actress who plays Willow reads and posts at, the presidents of the other Keeper clubs and the GASPers who you thought you would take their stuff from and give to other ppl about what you have done. So I suspect you will be getting quite a few angry letters. Yes you have changed your site, and I'm glad for that. But I'll still warn you that the ppl who's stuff is still listed there will still get mad and email you. And don't expect many visitors, cause I will not be listing your site on my Buffy Links Page - considered the best list of links on the net, and since I know most of the owners of the Buffy Pages on the net, I will personally ask them not to link your site, so that the only way anyone will find it, is if they do a web search. - -- If you want the URL for her site to see if she is still trying to give away what you keep and her email address, email me PRIVATELY and I'll sned them to you. Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties "Because I'm English, I'm Strange Anyway" - Anthony Stewart Head (Giles - BTVS) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:33:35 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: BUFFY: Re: Beauty On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 02:47:33 -0700 RAS writes: >People often say that physical beauty isn't important to them but, in >reality it is the first impression of a person. Just my 2 cents worth. I think we think too highly of ourselves as a species. While such high self-regard may be deserved, it's effect usually results in vanity and foolishness. We forget that we are also of the animal kingdom, and subject to the Laws of Nature. The primary law being that of survival including the urge to reproduce. Think about it, what lies at the basis of the urge to reproduce? Sexual attraction! The various courting dances of various species, the mane of the horse, the feathers and colors of birds, so it is with humans, the outward appearance triggers biological responses. To deny it is to deny your humanity. The best thing is not to make a big deal out of beauty or ugliness but to acknowledge what you see, acknowledge what you feel, learn and grow. Waning Philosophically, funee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:20:43 -0400 From: Jesse Jou Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Beauty At 1:33 PM -0400 6/23/97, funee@juno.com wrote: >Sexual attraction! The various courting dances of various >species, the mane of the horse, the feathers and colors of birds, so it >is with humans, the outward appearance triggers biological responses. To >deny it is to deny your humanity. Good points, funee, but I think it's worth mentioning that the human species is about the only species that rationalizes sexual attraction and is just about the only species that can control its sexual response (I won't speak for all species because I'm no zoologist and there may be complex patterns of behavior that may suggest unarticulated rules of sexual behavior in the animal kingdom.) To apply this to Buffy: Would you care to speculate how the Mantis chick fits into the whole the "let's go at it like Lady and the Tramp" vs. the "we are *higher* beings!" argument? I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. Also, I think we all agree that the entire cast of BtVS are hotties, but I notice that only three major cast members have had specific comments made about their sexual desirability within the context of the show: Buffy (Xander and Jesse in WttH), Cordelia (it's her beauty that Marcy tries to destroy), and Angel (obviously, no more "Angel is soooooooo hot!" please!!!! :-) ). So what's the rationale here, d'ya think? I mean, I think they are all equally attractive in my subjective opinion, but apparently in the world of the show, there is a heirarchy of desirability? What are the distinguishing factors? Hmmm. JJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:18:00 -0700 From: "SCOTT WOODARD@warnerbros.com" Subject: BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon Just so you all know... I will also be returning to ComicCon this year for the entire run. I will of course be there for Joss and Alyson's presentations, so perhaps some of us can meet face-to-face! Scott The WB Television Network ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:47:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Mano Billi Subject: Re: BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon Hi Guyz... Where is ComicCon at? Timing, date, and etc. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:47:07 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: BUFFY: Re: Beauty On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:20:43 -0400 Jesse Jou writes: >At 1:33 PM -0400 6/23/97, funee@juno.com wrote: >is just about the only species that can control its sexual response (I We observe certain rules of social conduct in regards to sexual behaviour. However outside of that it is foolish to think that we are anymore different than any other species. Not everyone finds the same things sexually attractive in people, but there are certain biological responses that we all share that lead to the moment and consequences of sex. >To apply this to Buffy: Would you care to speculate how the Mantis >chick >fits into the whole the "let's go at it like Lady and the Tramp" vs. > The Mantis chick episode was hilarious. How the Mantis expected frightened teenagers to fertilize her eggs was beyond me. She should have stayed in her human form if she wanted a sperm donation. (: >think they are all equally attractive in my subjective opinion, but >apparently in the world of the show, there is a heirarchy of >desirability? >What are the distinguishing factors? I don't think you can say they are all "equally attractive". You must have preferences. There is no hierarchy of desirability other than what Hollywood or magazine ads or tv commercials may consciously/subconsciously indoctrinate people with. This is something that also varies from society to society. For example, if you grew up in that country (in Asia or Africa?) where the women progressively insert bigger and bigger rings in their mouths to make their lips stick out, do you think Sarah Michelle Gellar would win a Beauty Contest over there? Do you think Sarah would be considered a beautiful girl in every country and society? Of course, this is not to say that things aren't constantly changing and evolving. In the Asian countries the ideal female beauty was considered willowy, slender, delicate. Now that Western culture (jeans, tv, video, music, movies, etc) permeates every part of the globe, the more fuller figure may have entered into their idea of female beauty. To take it a step further, do you think those vampires find each other attractive when they put on their vampire faces? They obviously don't find the humans attractive, they look at humans as a meal rather than sexual objects. Darla called Angel sick because of his love for Buffy. Whole buncha stuff thrown out here for some lively discussion! Thanks for your thoughts Jesse. funee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:45:00 -0700 From: "SCOTT WOODARD@warnerbros.com" Subject: BUFFY: Buffy Dubba Just wanted to make sure you all watched to the very, very end of Buffy tonight because we will be running the cut of the image piece (Dubba-Dance) that features a lot of SMG. Watch all the way or you'll miss it! Scott The WB Television Network ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:00:30 PDT From: "Holiday Golightly" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:18:00 -0700, Scott Woodard wrote: >I will also be returning to ComicCon this year for the entire run. I am seething with jealously as we speak. :) Do you know if Nick is attending (someone on the Buffy Postingboard insinuated he was). Holly traveling8373@hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:01:51 PDT From: "Holiday Golightly" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:18:00 -0700, Scott Woodard wrote: >I will also be returning to ComicCon this year for the entire run. I am seething with jealously as we speak. :) Do you know if Nick is attending (someone on the Buffy Postingboard insinuated he was). Holly traveling8373@hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:59:00 -0700 From: "SCOTT WOODARD@warnerbros.com" Subject: BUFFY: Buffy Theme Song I'm taking a poll!!! Hooray!!! Please send all responses to MY E-mail address: 1) Do you like or dislike the theme to Buffy The Vampire Slayer by nerf herder? 2) Explain why you like or dislike the theme. Please try to reply by the end of the week. Thanks, Scott The WB Television Network ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:26:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: Mission: Successful! Hi all, Hopefully this will be my last post regarding this whole problem with Plagiarism and Fake Keeper Lists. Apparantly enough of us have emailed AngelGrl to the point where she was forced to remove her pages and put this message up: Well all I have left to say is if she didn't want trouble she shouldn't have done it in the first place! And as for suggestions? Something uniquely her own, cause I don't think anyone will stand for her trying to copy from them any more! Thank you all for your support in this manner, and who says the power of the written word is dead?! We have shown that the pen (email) is mighter then the sword! Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties "Because I'm English, I'm Strange Anyway" - Anthony Stewart Head (Giles - BTVS) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: OFF: Oh Dear EarthQuake! Hi all, Seattle just had a mild earthquake - AGAIN! This is like the 3rd one in a year in a half that has shook my house. I hate, hate earthquakes! I'm waiting to find out how big it was this time, it's just now being mentioned on the news. But it's not being confirmed as one yet. If that wasn't one, I don't know what it was one, just that I'm shaken! Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties "Because I'm English, I'm Strange Anyway" - Anthony Stewart Head (Giles - BTVS) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:12:34 -0400 From: danielle_cerrato@juno.com Subject: BUFFY: HOW DO WE GET IN TOUCH WITH WB? This question mainly is for Scott I guess, my sister wats to send in some story line ideas and so do I .... where do we send them to and will they ever get looked at? I mean is it even worth it? Danielle Keeper of Buffy and Angel's tortured love Keeper of Nikki's (MAIDENNICOLE), sisterhood. hehehe Slayerette "Look....theres a bad guy." (kick) bad guy falls to the ground ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:38:00 -0700 From: "SCOTT WOODARD@warnerbros.com" Subject: BUFFY: HOW DO WE GET IN TOUCH WITH WB? >This question mainly is for Scott I guess, my sister wats to send in some >story line ideas and so do I .... where do we send them to and will they >ever get looked at? I mean is it even worth it? Unfortunately, you can't do this without an agent. 20th Century Fox Television (the studio responsible for Buffy) does not accept unsolicited material in any way, shape or form (believe me, I wrote a Buffy teleplay and I'm working on getting an agent to represent me as I speak!) Scott The WB Television Network ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:31:09 -0400 From: danielle_cerrato@juno.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Mission: Successful! SONJA wrote: <> I might be the only one who feels this way, but you made your point about this angel girl.......we all know what she did was wrong, but can we please stop talking about it. Flaming her any further won't do any good, she has taken the lists off her site and knows what she did is wrong....so I feel it should just be dropped. To be honest with you when someone copies you it is a form of flattery, and she might not have thought of it as wrong she might have just liked your ideas. So you know just chill and think of it that way instead. Danielle Keeper of Buffy and Angel's tortured love Keeper of Nikki's (MAIDENNICOLE), sisterhood. hehehe Slayerette "Look....there's a bad guy." (kick) bad guy falls to the ground ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:52:20 -0700 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy Theme Song First question, are they planning on adding new scenes to the opening next season, or use the same ones from this season? That's the only change I'd like to see. Second question: Scott: Have you guys recieved any letters to the show about Buffy? I was wondering what the reaction to those had been and how much response you guys have gotten from fans on it, since I know a few of us on the mailing list sent letters in. - -Lawless ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:53:54 -0700 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: HOW DO WE GET IN TOUCH WITH WB? danielle_cerrato@juno.com wrote: > > This question mainly is for Scott I guess, my sister wats to send in some > story line ideas and so do I .... where do we send them to and will they > ever get looked at? I mean is it even worth it? From what Scott's said before, I'm guessing not. Joss has said that they don't use or look at story ideas from anyone who isn't a writer on the show. But you can always write it up as fanfic. - -lawless ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:00:00 -0700 From: "SCOTT WOODARD@warnerbros.com" Subject: BUFFY: Fan Name Haven't really been following the fan name debate (although everywhere you turn its there in one form or another) and I was wondering if anyone has suggested "Slayeryte"? Kinda like an "acolyte, which means "one who attends or assists: FOLLOWER." Just so you know, the "-yte" is pronounced like "-ite" as in "kite". Its close to "Slayerette" which a lot of people like, but has a harder, cooler edge to it... Scott The WB Television Network ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:15:17 -0400 From: Jesse Jou Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Beauty At 2:47 PM -0400 6/23/97, funee@juno.com wrote: >I don't think you can say they are all "equally attractive". You must >have preferences. Not really. What usually predicates preference is sexual desire, imo, i.e., gosh, Willow is cute, but Cordelia is a babe! or Xander is adorable, but I just wanna pull Angel down on top of me. I think it's very easy to consider a group like this equally attractive without having a preference per se. It's what I call the Grandparent school of physical attractiveness assessment (Oh, look, aren't these the most beautiful children you've ever seen! You could have any boy/girl you wanted, you're so pretty!) I wonder how many of us have this attitude towards this cast: like, they're all pretty, but the idea of getting with any of them is kind of disgusting and incestuous (beyond being improbable!). :-) I don't wanna be alone on this, so someone please agree with me!!!!! >Do you think Sarah would be considered a beautiful girl in every country >and society? I'll agree with you that that wouldn't be the case. >Now that Western culture (jeans, tv, video, >music, movies, etc) permeates every part of the globe, the more fuller >figure may have entered into their idea of female beauty. Let's remember that even the "fuller" figure of Western Culture is still pretty anorexic. Female body image has been remarkably fickle throughout Western history whilst male body image has been relatively stable, and it's unclear to me who establishes the standard, but i'm getting off topic... ;-) >To take it a step further, do you think those vampires find each other >attractive when they put on their vampire faces? They obviously don't >find the humans attractive, they look at humans as a meal rather than >sexual objects. Darla called Angel sick because of his love for Buffy. Excellent points! Remember Darla says to Angel something about Buffy seeing his "true" face (i guess,game face) and giving him a kiss, but of course his face prior to his vampirization would be his true face, right? Oy, those vamps and their subjective standards of beauty. (BTW, does anyone else think that both Angel and Buffy's vamp prosthetics (Buffy's from Nightmares) were designed to still be attractive by human standards (in that Ron Perlman Beast way). Unfortunately the same wasn't true with Darla, who has an attractive human face, but looked like she fell off the ugly truck in vamp makeup.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:06:00 -0700 From: "SCOTT WOODARD@warnerbros.com" Subject: BUFFY: Title Sequence Questions, etc. >First question, are they planning on adding new scenes to the opening >next season, or use the same ones from this season? That's the only >change I'd like to see. I don't know, but I would be surprised if they didn't "update" the intro. >Second question: Scott: Have you guys recieved any letters to the show >about Buffy? I was wondering what the reaction to those had been and >how much response you guys have gotten from fans on it, since I know a >few of us on the mailing list sent letters in. Yes, the letters have come in and keep coming in. Keep up the snail mail because believe it or not, some of the folks in the publicity department have yet to discover the wonderful world of E-mail. Scott The WB Television Network ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:19:16 -0700 From: Terrie Subject: Re: BUFFY: Mission: Successful! On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, danielle_cerrato@juno.com wrote: To be honest with you >when someone copies you it is a form of flattery, and she might not have >thought of it as wrong she might have just liked your ideas. So you know >just chill and think of it that way instead. I think the issue here is not that she copied others' pages -- if that was a problem, most pages wouldn't be in existance (Hmmm, what do we have here? Bios, the offical websites images, a bit on how hot David and/or Sarah is, and episode summeries. Again!) The issue was that she copied it WORD FOR WORD. She gave no credit to those who did the work in coming up with non-obvious things to keep, and those who did a lot of hard work in putting together keepers pages. I was one of the people who wrote her to complain. This is the resopnse I got: If u have not already seen..I have taken these lists off of my page a few hours ago..and maybe u should tell all ur buddies that I have done so because I do not need any more b/s ing from anyone. I have taken them off..maybe u should reload the page or get a new browser... Rude, isn't it? For one thing, I wrote her this morning, right after looking at her page, a good three or four hours before the page was changed. Secondly, I resent the implication that I went around calling my friends to go harrass this person. I wrote a polite letter saying that I was offended by her page, told her why, and asked her to please remove the lists. In response, I got accused of malicious behavior. This is pretty much a dead issue now. She changed the page. For her own convience, rather then curtsy, but the lists are gone. We proved that, even if we don't have an offical name for ourselves ;), we still have unity. For the most part. Sure, everyone's going to get really tired of the Keeping issue, and the GASP'ers are going to drive the rest of us nuts (kidding!), and there are definalty times when we're going to want to beat our heads against the wall. But we'll get through it. We'll watch Buffy, analyze it to death, and argue over which quote was the best for a long time to come. (I hope). - -Terrie Keeper of Angel's Fridge "Grrr, Argh" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:27:24 -0600 From: "Jodie Lee King" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Fan Name Scott wrote >"Slayeryte"? Kinda like an "acolyte, which means "one who attends or assists: FOLLOWER." >Its close to "Slayerette" which a lot of people like, but has a harder, cooler edge to it... Slayeryte....I like that idea. The ending *ette* is, gramatically speaking, the *feminine diminutive* of a word and, as such, is not particularly flattering. Jodie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:35:11 -0700 From: Terrie Subject: Re: BUFFY: Fan Name On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, "SCOTT WOODARD@warnerbros.com" >Haven't really been following the fan name debate and I was wondering if anyone >has suggested "Slayeryte"? >Its close to "Slayerette" which a lot of people like, but has a harder, >cooler edge to it... This is cool. I have to admit, I've been an advocate for "Slayerette", but i like Scott's idea MUCH better. As Scoot said, it has a harder edge to it, which suits shows image. - -Terrie Keeper of Angel's Fridge "Grrr, Argh" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:35:49 PDT From: "Maddy :)" Subject: BUFFY: Re:Fan Name >Scott wrote > >>"Slayeryte"? Kinda like an "acolyte, which means "one who attends or >assists: FOLLOWER." > >>Its close to "Slayerette" which a lot of people like, but has a harder, >cooler edge to it... > >Slayeryte....I like that idea. The ending *ette* is, gramatically >speaking, the *feminine diminutive* of a word and, as such, is not >particularly flattering. > >Jodie I didn't know we were still discussing this but (my 2 cents) I like slayeryte, too. Maddy:) - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:54:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: Earthqaukes and Buffy Hi all, Sorry if I upset anyone by posting the off topic post about the Earthquake we had here in Seattle. I should have made it Buffy related by saying stuff like: "What do you think think 5.1?" Master - Prophecy Girl (last report had it had 4.9) Or "HELP The Hellmouth is opening under Seattle, send Buffy and Crew, esp Giles!" :D I was still to shaken to add the ObBuffy stuff to the email. So for that I'm sorry! Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties "Because I'm English, I'm Strange Anyway" - Anthony Stewart Head (Giles - BTVS) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 13:31:21 UT From: "Dawn Hargraves" Subject: RE: BUFFY: Fan Clubs Unfortunately the same wasn't true with Darla, who has an attractive human >face, but looked like she fell off the ugly truck in vamp makeup.) First the nice response then the defensive one. Perhaps the make up for Buffy and Angel were done more carefully, being that they're regular characters. Whereas they knew they were going to ice Darla anyway, why do all that work if she's not going to be around next season anyway. Here's my defensive response. DON'T BE MESSIN' WITH DARLA MAN!!! Call me kinky but....I thought....she looked....well....HOT!! O.K. I thought she looked hot. Jeez. As a Human...."Salty Goodness", as a vamp....well let's just say if there's room in her coffin, I'll bring the bubbly. Tooth and nail is alright by me, THE "ARCH" ANGEL KEEPER OF XANDER'S TENNIS BALL OF UNFULFILLED TEEN LOVE Howza 'bout KEEPER OF DARLA'S GAME FACE (Being that I seem to be the only one who likes it....My Lord I need to get a date!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:43:04 -0700 From: Jennifer Hawthorne Subject: BUFFY: I'm Outta Here Hey folks -- Just so people don't think I'm ignoring them, I wanted to let people know that I'm leaving this list. If you reply to one of my recent posts here and want an answer, you're welcome to send your message to me via personal email. (I'm not leaving Buffy fandom -- I'm just heading over to the Planet-X list and since many of you are on both lists I'll see you over there ;) It's been fun! - -- Maytree - ------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Hawthorne :: jen@pacwest.DIESPAM.net [To reply to this message, remove DIESPAM from address] - ------------------------------------------------------- Q: If you throw a violist and a soprano off a cliff, which one would hit the ground first? A1: The violist. The soprano would have to stop halfway down to ask directions. A2: Who cares? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:43:22 PDT From: "Maddy :)" Subject: BUFFY: ALL fan clubs? >