From: Jason Pool Subject: (dragon-oper) Bots with unregistered nicks Date: 02 Sep 1997 03:13:56 -0400 [2:09] -ChanServ- 13 Johauna [2:09] -ChanServ- 12 [harper] [2:09] -ChanServ- 11 Lady_Bot [2:10] -ChanServ- 4 Sandy_Beach18 [2:10] -ChanServ- 3 DeadCowBot I really don't want to touch it, lest I mess up any delicate records keeping AK and Myst have.. but you need to keep things a li'l more clean. ;) <->Jason Pool<-> zanzibar.sorcery.net - Admin weyr.esper.net - IRCop FTP site maintainer: ftp.esper.net - ftp.sorcery.net ~For every man in his time is Cain / Until he walks along the beach \ "The One" And sees his future in the water / A long lost heart within his reach~/ Elton John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tanya M. Smith" Subject: (dragon-oper) URGENT!NOW! Date: 02 Sep 1997 02:19:21 -0700 (MST) Greetings! I am going absolutely nuts trying to figure out how to get into chat rooms on websites. I have tried repeatedly to get Java and for some reason I can't. Do I have to connect thru Mirc to get into chatrooms or do I hook up with Java on Netscape Navigator? If so, where? I know absolutely nothing and the help buttons aren't answering my questions. If I have to go thru Mirc, do I need a channel to get into chatrooms? What exactly is the function of a channel? Is Java a channel or a server? How do I get Java? I also tried reading thru commands and they have not helped explain any of this to me. I will be up for a few more hrs. Please email back asap- obiwan kenobi, you're my only hope! Thanks. || Come ride The River ------- http://www.theriver.com/ || ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: glory Subject: Re: (dragon-oper) URGENT!NOW! Date: 02 Sep 1997 09:31:07 -0600 At 02:19 AM 9/2/97 -0700, you wrote: >Greetings! > I am going absolutely nuts trying to figure out how to get into >chat rooms on websites. I have tried repeatedly to get Java and for some >reason I can't. Have you downloaded the Java program. I believe it is available at the DALnet website. http://www.dal.net. Go to the software section. > Do I have to connect thru Mirc to get into chatrooms or do I hook up with >Java on Netscape Navigator? If so, where? I know absolutely nothing and >the help buttons aren't answering my questions. Mirc is for Internet relay chat. It connects you to a server/network that others are connected to. Mirc is also available at the DALnet site. After down loading the file..just double click it and it will self-install. AFter that is completed just click the Icon and it will start like the other programs on your computer. It will ask you for some inital information at first, just follow the prompts on that. When choosing your server, make sure it is a DALnet server. There are several networks out there. >If I have to go thru Mirc, do I need a channel to get into chatrooms? What >exactly is the function of a channel? Is Java a channel or a server? How do >I get Java? I also tried reading thru commands and they have not helped >explain any of this to me. I will be up for a few more hrs. Please email >back asap- obiwan kenobi, you're my only hope! A channel is basically a chat room. A designated place that users may go to chat with their friends. If that makes sense. I don't know much about java although here are some ideas that you might try to get some answers. Once you have mirc up and running and are connected to a DALnet server type /join #helpdesk They will have information for you on Java also try /join #mirc for more information on mirc. I am an aop there so look for Glory. I am mostly on in the evenings. You will also need a nick name for mirc. Choose something that is as original as possible. The more common names are already taken. I hope this helps, and hasn't led to confusing you further. Thanks Glory Dragon.Dal.net Utah's own DALnet server. > Thanks. >------------------------------------------------------------ > || Come ride The River ------- http://www.theriver.com/ || >------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Donald C. Swankie" Subject: (dragon-oper) [Fwd: Channel Adultchatzone and Adultfuncafe.] Date: 02 Sep 1997 20:26:06 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CD0A14BA73E9D45DE482727B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thought this may be interesting :P --------------CD0A14BA73E9D45DE482727B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from MajorD.xtra.co.nz (terminator.xtra.co.nz [202.27.184.5]) by micro.internexus.net (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA01813 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:22:36 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (p15-m9-wn4.dialup.xtra.co.nz [203.96.108.15]) by MajorD.xtra.co.nz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA26662 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:22:05 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <340D9C12.6C38@xtra.co.nz> Reply-To: xtr57016901@xtra.co.nz Organization: Price & Associates X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <340CA1A8.72EA@xtra.co.nz> <340C9147.E2576A2F@internexus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donald C. Swankie wrote: > > Dear Mr. Price: > I can understand your aggrivation of beung kicked and banned from a > channel for no apparent reason, but some people are mean and are just like > that. What they did is a channel matter, and IRCop's really do not get > involved with channel matters, becuase if they are op'ed they can basically > do as they please and/or see fit. If the people are harrassing you in a > message and/or dcc chat, that is another story. An IRCop will get involved > if that takes place, but he/she can not get involved in channel matters. > > As for seeking legal advice, that is a bit absurd. People can be mean > in real life, but you do not take them to court for it. Plus I seriously > doubt anything will be done from a legal stand point, because any lawyer > will tell you that you can not take legal action against someone because > they are being mean. But keep in mind, most people on DALnet are very > friendly, so do not give up on the network, go to some new channels, meet > new friends, and have a good time. Thats what IRC is for. :) > > Any questions/comments you can contact me on DALnet (/server > dragon.dal.net) > syntax aka poink > :) > > Bradley Price wrote: > > > Dear Sir > > > > I wish to seek the closing off these two channels. I have been totally > > singled out and victimized against by certain operaters of these > > channels. On a number of occasions myself and others have been banned > > from these channels with no due course.This has caused among other > > things stress and anxiety, directly related to this sitution. > > > > I am currently seeking legal advice from the US on this matter, and the > > role and responsibility of Dalnet to police and protect the users of > > this service. > > > > I first seek to give you the opportunity to address this issue > > immediately, and await your reply at the earliest. > > > > Yours Sincerely > > Bradley Price > > Executive Director > > > > Price & Associates > > Fax : + 64 4 528 9916 Dear Sir Thank you for your interesting reply, and your comment that seeking legal advice is " Absurd ". Please note I have forward the issue to my lawyer, and they will be following this up in the US. This is not just a issue of people been mean and unfair, it is a issue of the stress and anxiety caused by the baning in place. Dalnet is respondsable for the adminerstration of this irc service, so therefore are directly respondsable. Any legal issue will be address directly at Dalnet. The issue is serious, and we fell strongly that we can bring a case against Dalnet in the US courts. Iam sorry that we cannot address the issue in a more positive tone. Yours Sincerely Bradley Price. --------------CD0A14BA73E9D45DE482727B-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Barker Subject: Re: (dragon-oper) [Fwd: Channel Adultchatzone and Date: 03 Sep 1997 02:30:30 +0100 At 08:26 PM 9/2/97 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Sir > >Thank you for your interesting reply, and your comment that seeking >legal >advice is " Absurd ". Please note I have forward the issue to my lawyer, >and they will be following this up in the US. This is not just a issue >of people been mean and unfair, it is a issue of the stress and anxiety >caused by the baning in place. Dalnet is respondsable for the >adminerstration of this irc service, so therefore are directly >respondsable. Any legal issue will be address directly at Dalnet. > >The issue is serious, and we fell strongly that we can bring a case >against Dalnet in the US courts. > >Iam sorry that we cannot address the issue in a more positive tone. > >Yours Sincerely >Bradley Price. DALnet or any other large network could not run in the way you seem to want, no one can be or should be expected to monitor every channel (around 5000 channels requires 5000 IRCops and DALnet has under 300), no network keeps an IRCop in every channel to make sure that no one gets kicked and banned without a good reason. People are allowed to run channels as they see fit within reason, this is a fact for every channel. It is not against the law to remove people from your house so it's rather absurd that you're taking legal action for such a trivial matter. By that logic you could also sue other companies which do not control the actions of people using their services, for instance if you have to cue in McDonalds you could claim that it caused you stress and anxiety but I doubt a court case on that matter would go very far. You're more than welcome to make your own channel on DALnet and run it as you see fit, it's your right as owner to ban who you wish, of course you still have to follow the rules DALnet has such as no harrasment but maybe before blaming DALnet you should have asked the person who banned you why. Simon Barker simon@DAL.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drogo@labyrinth.net Subject: (dragon-oper) [Fwd: Channel Adultchatzone and Adultfuncafe.] Date: 03 Sep 1997 22:05:56 -0400 >> > Dear Sir >> > >> > I wish to seek the closing off these two channels. I have been totally >> > singled out and victimized against by certain operaters of these >> > channels. On a number of occasions myself and others have been banned >> > from these channels with no due course.This has caused among other >> > things stress and anxiety, directly related to this sitution. Can you define victimized please? Are you being bothered by the operators of this channel outside the channel? If so we can assist you entirely. Harrasment is not permitted on our network. As for the number of occasions in which yourself and others have been banned from channels with no due course, please be aware that DALnet tries to comply with the concept of free speech. DALnet channels are individually run by the people who 'found' them. They are not set up previously by the administration, and handed out to individuals to run. This follows the fact that other individuals are freely permitted to start, organize, and run their own channel with their own set of rules and regulations. If you and others are being kicked from a channel, you have the right to start your own, and create a less stressful environment. I would stronly suggest doing so. Please note that the users of the channel may kick you out with no due course in your eyes, but they may have their own reason. For example, you can legally (in all nations that I know of) refuse entrance onto your property for any reason you deem valid. This often happens on IRC. Due to the unique nature of IRC, you then have the option to start your own channel, and govern it how you wish. I would strongly encourage you to do so, if IRC is creating an environment for you which is not entertaining. >> > I am currently seeking legal advice from the US on this matter, and the >> > role and responsibility of Dalnet to police and protect the users of >> > this service. In response to this, please be aware that we do everything possible to make your IRC experience an enjoyable, and safe. We are all volunteers. DALnet is a non profit organization, with a completely voluntary administration. Because of the way IRC works, you always have the option to start your own channel with your own policies, thus giving *everyone* the option to run a channel, and speak how they wish to those who care to listen. As said, DALnet administration is a completely voluntary staff. We do not have the right to 'police' the users of this service, as it would be 'police'ing the users of anyone w/internet access, in which we have absolutely no jurisdiction nor right to do so. In matters of illegal activity, we attempt to rid such behaviour from our network. In matters of harrasment, ie attempt to avoid a certain user and still being confronted by, we will assist you in your problem. Please note that DALnet is not a United States organization, nor did it originate nor does it completely exist in the US. We cannot 'close' down channels if they are not participating in illegal activity. Such would be limitting freedom of speech. Due to the fact that *anyone* can create their own channel, freedom of speech exists entirely on our network. >I am sorry that we cannot address the issue in a more positive tone. I am perfectly willing to address this issue in a mature, positive tone. You are welcome to contact me at my email address listed below, or to the original list you posted to. I hope that this reply somewhat cleared a few things up. Jeff drogo@labyrinth.net Drogo on DALnet #mIRC (drogo@dal.net) PGP Public Key Available at http://www.labs.net/drogo/pgp/pgp.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Timm Subject: (dragon-oper) Delink false alarm Date: 04 Sep 1997 03:09:41 -0700 Catlin, We haven't met yet, but I'm the new guy on JAG. I'm just writing to say how relieved I am that this delink was a false alarm. I'm new to JAG, but not to DALnet and I know how hard you have worked to make Dragon a fine server and bring it back to DALnet even better than it ever was. To you and your opers (some of whom I've met), I offer my thanks for a job well done. If I can ever be of assistance to any of you, please don't hesitate to contact me. In case DALnet mail gets bogged down, I can always be reached at johntimm@earthlink.net. With VincentVega on your team, it's doubtful that you will need me in my JAG capacity, but I am a good listener and have been around since the start of IRC. Keep up the good work. Best Regards, John Monitor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Catlin Subject: (dragon-oper) Recent Administrative Power Games Date: 04 Sep 1997 23:36:24 -0600 (MDT) - Don't pass this mail on, ppl. - As most of you have probably noticed, the lovely upper Administration of DALnet has taken quite an interest in our lovely little server lately. Our Glorious Leader dalvenjah has declared that Maelcum can no longer send email to DALnet mailing lists, and thus when a mail appeared, decided someone was going to pay. Upon checking login logs to the DALnet moderators account, he spied a login from dragon.xmission.com and came to the conclusion that either I or Myst had hacked the account for the sole purpose of approving Maelcum's email. He then delink dragon, removed me from all @dal.net mailing lists, deleted our dragon-staff@ and dragon-ircadmin@ aliases, and advisory@ (for fear of us rising up in revolution, I suppose), and posted to ops@. Highly disgusted, Data also delinked voyager in protest. Some time later Data determined that BlackMagic had logged into moderators from dragon (with BM being a moderator, this seems only logical :P ) and approved the email in question. He then wrote what I guess we could call an apology for delinking the server, removed the jupe, and Data relinked voyager. This was sometime about 1:30am MDT last night; I can't say I'm sure myself, since I was party to none of this--if I'd been around I'd just have deleted the ircd and said to hell with this, so I suppose it's a good thing I wasn't. :P Catlin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Pool Subject: Re: (dragon-oper) Recent Administrative Power Games Date: 05 Sep 1997 20:02:53 -0400 Speaking of which, the latest turn of events adds a nice touch, I almost was about to give dalvenjah some slack... [14:09] *** FireMyst (dragon@dragon.xmission.com) Quit (Killed (dalvenjah (that's it. i'm not taking any more of your shit. you want to be an idiot, go do it on some other network.))) - [14:09] *** FireMyst (dragon@dragon.xmission.com) Quit (Killed (services.dal.net (User banned from network))) - [14:10] *** Ma3lcum_ (dalnet@dt9h2n97.san.rr.com) Quit (Killed (dalvenjah (And you are autokill evading. get the hell out and stay out.))) - Myst's akill upset me, because it came out of nowhere, and I couldn't imagine why. This caused me to get a bit red under the collar, and I shared my opinions of dal with #Relax (like he's a moron, and how disgusted I was at things like this happening, esp after he looked like he was gonna try and listen ;P), all in #Relax, where I have the right to free speech and to say anything the founder deems acceptable.., when all of a sudden... -G-(OperServ) dalvenjah added autokill *!*@ip57-045.tol.primenet.com - -K- dalvenjah has killed Ryo-oh-ki!believe@ip57-045.tol.primenet.com (you too. get the hell of this network.) - [14:21] *** You were killed by dalvenjah (voyager!toronto!trapdoor.ca.us.dal.net[206.86.127.252]!caris!132.249.66.211 !dalvenjah (you too. get the hell of this network.)) This had absolutely no provocation (and I'm sorry, being a bit of an outspoken critic isn't enough *sigh*) And after talking to Myst he himself didn't seem to know why he had been akilled. This is childish and revolting. Back to that disgusted feeling, this is going too far, I no longer have any faith at all, love, etc, for the administration, and doubt how much longer I can work with them. All I can say to wrap it up is I know I'm not alone, there aren't just a few that think this, there are quite enough, tho dal is too dense to realise this. ;P At 11:36 PM 9/4/97 -0600, Catlin wrote: > >- Don't pass this mail on, ppl. - > >As most of you have probably noticed, the lovely upper Administration of >DALnet has taken quite an interest in our lovely little server lately. Our >Glorious Leader dalvenjah has declared that Maelcum can no longer send >email to DALnet mailing lists, and thus when a mail appeared, decided >someone was going to pay. Upon checking login logs to the DALnet >moderators account, he spied a login from dragon.xmission.com and came to >the conclusion that either I or Myst had hacked the account for the sole >purpose of approving Maelcum's email. He then delink dragon, removed me >from all @dal.net mailing lists, deleted our dragon-staff@ and >dragon-ircadmin@ aliases, and advisory@ (for fear of us rising up in >revolution, I suppose), and posted to ops@. Highly disgusted, Data also >delinked voyager in protest. Some time later Data determined that >BlackMagic had logged into moderators from dragon (with BM being a >moderator, this seems only logical :P ) and approved the email in >question. He then wrote what I guess we could call an apology for >delinking the server, removed the jupe, and Data relinked voyager. This >was sometime about 1:30am MDT last night; I can't say I'm sure myself, >since I was party to none of this--if I'd been around I'd just have >deleted the ircd and said to hell with this, so I suppose it's a good >thing I wasn't. :P > >Catlin > > > > > <->Jason Pool<-> zanzibar.sorcery.net - Admin weyr.esper.net - IRCop FTP site maintainer: ftp.esper.net - ftp.sorcery.net ~For every man in his time is Cain / Until he walks along the beach \ "The One" And sees his future in the water / A long lost heart within his reach~/ Elton John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: julie bristow Subject: (dragon-oper) bad box: Date: 06 Sep 1997 14:52:44 +1000 (EST) Dear who ever, I dont know if I have got the right place to report this but I find it offensive to be in private chat channel and have a box like this which I opened because of the name. I thought it might be interesting. It wasnt. I hope this guy can be warned not to say things like this and I wonder how he knew that we were two females talking.. or presumably so unless it was good guess work julieanall Session Start: Fri Sep 05 11:21:31 1997 1,4visit 4,1 http://home1.gte.net/xis/index.htm 1,4 to get a bunch of free stuff 1,4visit 4,1 http://home1.gte.net/xis/index.htm 1,4 to get a bunch of free stuff 1,4visit 4,1 http://home1.gte.net/xis/index.htm 1,4 to get a bunch of free stuff you are a binch of bitches!!!!!!!!!!! you are a binch of bitches!!!!!!!!!!! you are a bunch of bitches!!!!!!!!!!! so fuck you! I think you all suck my dick..........it feels great I think you all suck my dick..........it feels great I think you all suck my dick..........it feels great I think you all suck my dick..........it feels great I think you all suck my dick..........it feels great I think you all suck my dick..........it feels great Session Close: Fri Sep 05 11:37:36 1997 julieanall nick julieanall and worthycastle DIVIDED WE SURVIVED..... UNITED WE WILL THRIVE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drogo@labyrinth.net Subject: (dragon-oper) Re: Why can't I connect Date: 08 Sep 1997 12:40:37 -0400 I digested this message from Dave Wilkes at 01:04 AM 9/4/97 -0600: >Dear Staff, > >We have gone through the registration with you and everything. We even recieved a confirmation back from you that we were registered. But every time we try to get into a chat room, a message comes up that says we could not connect with the server. We >have tried this now for two months. Any suggestions? Do we need some kind of special software? Please advise!!!!!!!! Did you register with nickserv, or did you attempt to register (a bot) via our web page? What program are you using to attempt to connect to DALnet? Are you connecting to dragon.dal.net, or another DALnet server? Please reply to me directly at the email address below, or to this list, and I/we'll walk you through it :) Jeff drogo@labyrinth.net Drogo on DALnet #mIRC (drogo@dal.net) PGP Public Key Available at http://www.labs.net/drogo/pgp/pgp.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drogo@labyrinth.net Subject: (dragon-oper) Re: Help!! Date: 08 Sep 1997 12:41:42 -0400 I digested this message from tm at 07:30 PM 9/3/97 +0000: >Okay, stupid question time. I'm trying to figure out this IRC thing and >not having much luck. I managed to get to your home page, but how do I >get to a chat channel, what software do I need, etc? I'm sorry, I know >you are all very busy, but I'm getting a little frustrated. Any advice >you can give me would be GREATLY appreiated. If you can, please respond >to "ntruett@juno.com" - thanks for your help. If you are using windows, I would reccomend using mIRC to connect to our server (dragon.dal.net). You can get the mIRC software from http://www.mirc.org. If you have any trouble after you get the IRC software, please feel free to email me and I'll walk you through it. Jeff drogo@labyrinth.net Drogo on DALnet #mIRC (drogo@dal.net) PGP Public Key Available at http://www.labs.net/drogo/pgp/pgp.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LadyFizz Subject: Re: (dragon-oper) bad box: Date: 07 Sep 1997 21:23:51 -0400 At 02:52 PM 9/6/97 +1000, you wrote: >Dear who ever, > I dont know if I have got the right place to report this but I find >it offensive to be in private chat channel and have a box like this which I >opened because of the name. I thought it might be interesting. It wasnt. > I hope this guy can be warned not to say things like this and I >wonder how he knew that we were two females talking.. or presumably so >unless it was good guess work > julieanall Julie, The first part of the sample log you sent is the typical mass advertisement that is sent out by many users. When these users are found, they are warned, killed, akilled then klined. If they continue, their internet service provider is contacted with the information necessary to remove these accounts. Granted not all providers are as cooperative as others but there are those who will terminate accounts of users who continually abuse mass advertising on DALnet. The second part of that log however is not so typical. As is the usual case with these mass advertisers, their nicks are seldom registered so there is no way to contact this person without an address mask on him/her. I checked on the nick registration and it is not registered. The only sure way to get this information is to do a /whois on the nick to get the mask. Rest assured we are doing all we can to rid DALnet of mass advertisers. If you have anymore questions, please feel free to contact this list again. LadyFizz ladyfizz@dal.net IRCop Dragon.ut.us.dal.net #mIRC Resource Center http://www.lynx.bc.ca/~despayre/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carsusa Subject: (dragon-oper) Are you? Date: 10 Sep 1997 22:54:59 +0200 Hello. =BFEres alan lord dragon? Si es as=ED, sabr=E1s quien soy por un pin de e-mail. Mis disculpas si no lo es. Excuse if you aren't him. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cu@xmission.com" Subject: (dragon-oper) NickServ is screwy. Date: 12 Sep 1997 09:57:06 -0600 Yeah. I've been using the nickname "Needles" on irc for the past 2 months. I get on today and it says another creature is using that name. So I can't use my nick. I asked him if he would help me out, he asked me if I was a m/f? I said f (because i was pretty sure it was a guy, and guys would most likely help out a girl, if i said i was a guy, he'd probably have said to screw off) anywayz, he told me he would help me if I had netsex with him, and he said he knew how to bypass the nickserv. I did a whois and here is what I got needles is ~Iqbal@dslip0.npgx.com.au * needles needles on #stupid~ #tassie's_terrace needles using eclipse.mo.us.dal.net [207.211.22.4] The server that won't bite your ear End of /WHOIS list. Uhmn, I'd to be able to use my nickname, i've got ops in a few channels and this will definately not help the situation. Thanks. -- ."". ."", | | / / Needles / Argon / LySdeXia | | / / Timothy J. Uhl | | / ;-._ (801)292-8950 } ` _/ / ; cu@xmission.com | /` ) / / http://www.xmission.com/~cu | / /_/\_/\ "And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear |/ / | You shout and no one seems to hear ( ' \ '- | And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes \ `. / I'll see you on the dark side of the moon" | | -Pink Floyd | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LadyFizz Subject: Re: (dragon-oper) NickServ is screwy. Date: 12 Sep 1997 12:36:57 -0400 At 09:57 AM 9/12/97 -0600, you wrote: >Yeah. I've been using the nickname "Needles" on irc for the past 2 >months. I get on today and it says another creature is using that >name. So I can't use my nick. I asked him if he would help me out, he >asked me if I was a m/f? I said f (because i was pretty sure it was a >guy, and guys would most likely help out a girl, if i said i was a guy, >he'd probably have said to screw off) anywayz, he told me he would help >me if I had netsex with him, and he said he knew how to bypass the >nickserv. I did a whois and here is what I got I'm sorry that you had this experience with what is commonly known as a 'lamer'. There are a bunch of them around I'm afraid. I do hope that you did not give this person your nickname password in order to help you out. That password should not be given to anyone for any reason other than to identify to nickserv to show you are the owner of the nick, or a CSop who can assist you if your password is in question. > >needles is ~Iqbal@dslip0.npgx.com.au * needles >needles on #stupid~ #tassie's_terrace >needles using eclipse.mo.us.dal.net [207.211.22.4] The server that won't >bite your ear >End of /WHOIS list. This is the information I get when I typed /msg nickserv info needles. It does appear to belong to you but without further checking I have no way of knowing. [12:26] -NickServ- *** needles is needles arlent [12:26] -NickServ- Last seen address: needlesarg@slc166a.modem.xmission.com [12:26] -NickServ- Last seen time: Thu 09/11/97 18:49:13 GMT [12:26] -NickServ- Time registered: Mon 08/04/97 01:31:51 GMT [12:26] -NickServ- Time now: Fri 09/12/97 16:26:37 GMT [12:26] -NickServ- *** End of Info *** There are ways to prevent people from using your nickname when you are not online and that is to set kill on your nick. You have not done that. Type: /msg nickserv identify yournickpassword then: /msg nickserv set kill on This will prevent anyone from using your nick unless for some unforseen reason services are down. Nickserv enforcement will warn the user the nick belongs to someone else and will prompt for the password for the nick. If the correct password cannot be sent then enforcement will take the nick for a short time then release it. There are a whole set of commands to help you with nickname and channel protection thru services. Please visit the #dalnethelp channel and they'll be happy to help you set things up. If we can help anymore, please feel free to contact us. LadyFizz ladyfizz@dal.net IRCop Dragon.ut.us.dal.net #mIRC Resource Center http://www.lynx.bc.ca/~despayre/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Catlin Subject: (dragon-oper) Bot Policy Date: 12 Sep 1997 21:21:31 -0600 (MDT) Seeing how the bot registration muckity muck is becoming more trouble than it's worth, I'm changing the policy... bots are not longr required to be registered, but we will not allow bots in sex or porn channels of any kind (especially kiddie porn!) or warez channels. The rest of 'em... I don't care, really... :) Catlin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Catlin Subject: (dragon-oper) o -> O Date: 12 Sep 1997 21:24:40 -0600 (MDT) Congratulations _Cyan_, Drogo and glory! You have all 'officially' been upgraded to globals O:'s with global /kill capability. (Not global routing, though... if you want to route, talk to me about it, please.) This leaves us with no local o's remaining. Catlin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: glory Subject: Re: (dragon-oper) o -> O Date: 12 Sep 1997 21:29:33 -0600 Thanks cat! *hug* I would like to do routing. Simon has worked with me alot on it...and I would like to do more. yeah I am a nag. thanks glory At 09:24 PM 9/12/97 -0600, you wrote: > >Congratulations _Cyan_, Drogo and glory! You have all 'officially' been >upgraded to globals O:'s with global /kill capability. (Not global >routing, though... if you want to route, talk to me about it, please.) >This leaves us with no local o's remaining. > >Catlin > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Catlin Subject: (dragon-oper) Resignation Date: 13 Sep 1997 15:04:06 -0600 (MDT) I plan to resign as Admin of dragon.dal.net effective Wednesday, September 24, 1997. I am not delinking dragon, but simply wish to give the server to someone else. Is this political? Well, yes and no.... it involves my ability, or lack of ability, to be a good and effective administrator. A good administrator requires time spent online, which I will be short of for awhile. I've made up my mind that I wish to graduate next spring--before my University switches it's calandar, and hence all the requirements for the majors, around and forces an extra year or two on me. I can only do that by taking 18+ credit hours per quarter. I will also be working quite a bit--I have to pay for all these classes somehow, and I am not getting any student aid. An effective administrator must be in a position to work with other administrators, which I don't feel I am in. I love DALnet, and I haven't spent the majority of my free time for the past three years here only to turn around and try to destroy it, yet this seems to be what some people think. Neither I nor anyone associated with my server has done anything to intentionally harm this network, yet 3 of my IRCops have been akilled and my server delinked in the past 3 weeks. At no time has anyone tried to communicate directly with me about any of these events. There is a difference between "disagreement" and "mutiny" that has apparently been overlooked. Similarly, I did not found the Admin Committee to stir up rebellion, but in light of the recent deletion of our mailing alias when my server was delinked, this has also apparently been viewed as some sort of revolutionary organization that I created to bring about destruction. It's become fairly obvious to me that in the present atmosphere I can no longer Administrate a server here when my doing so is seen as a deliberate affront and my actions viewed as intended to cause harm. Perhaps with enough time and effort this could be changed, but I simply don't think that I am going to have that time in the near future. Thus, I am asking the Executive Board to approve _Cyan_ to replace me as Admin of dragon. He's quiet, but he's been around for quite a while, and he spends a lot of time on DALnet. He has plenty of experience as an IRCop, a UNIX admin, and is more than capable of running a server. He was also one of the most-recommended IRCops I've taken aboard--and certainly done his recommenders proud. And he's trusted enough that as an Admin he will have access to root on dragon. I hope that the above arrangement will be acceptable. I know that _Cyan_ isn't too well known, but he would be a good Admin. I anticipate 2 weeks being long enough to vote on the question: should _Cyan_ be dragon's Admin? Please let me emphasize again that I am not delinking dragon. Dragon is a decent server and it serves an uncovered area. I don't have the time to support dragon and DALnet as an Admin, but I will continue to run the machine and come to DALnet. I am simply giving up authority over the ircd. My best wishes continue to be with DALnet. -Catlin _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Erin (Catlin) A. Wagner _/ Admin on DALnet: _/ _/ catlin@xmission.com _/ /server dragon.dal.net 7000 _/ _/ http://www.xmission.com/~catlin _/ http://www.dal.net _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, _/ _/ the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all _/ _/ irrevocably." -- Captain Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drogo@labyrinth.net Subject: (dragon-oper) Re: DALnet: Admin Change, Info and Thanks Date: 19 Sep 1997 23:55:03 -0400 I digested this message from Catlin at 09:35 PM 9/19/97 -0600: >Anyhow... > >I would like to thank those who have worked with me to make dragon a part >of DALnet--from those who helped by donating hardware to create and later >to fix the machine, to the faithful users who have used the server, to the >dedicated staff who have spent hours in channels like #mirc, and answering >help mails, and dealing with irc abusers and much more. Thank you all, >and I can only hope you stick with dragon and support _Cyan_ as you have >supported dragon and I in the past. Oooh! Catlin mentioned #mIRC and said something nice about it! /me gets out cookies and stuffs them down Fizz's, glory's and V's throat :P I think we did something right! :P Anyway, haven't known ya for very long Catlin, but you've always been super nice to me at least, and it's a shame to see you un-admin yourself (sounds corny). But hopefully you'll still hang around, and now you can let _Cyan_ sweat out all that DALnet political stuff :P As for _Cyan_ himself, I don't really know him that well either, but I'm sure he'll do fine. Remember, it takes two warnings to get VV to quit abusing globops, but it takes 10+ to get Fingertrick to leave wallops alone. Keep those facts in mind when you see them oper. Err, and oh yeah, Pax_man fails at least 23 oper attempts a day, but it's always just him under another account. That's all you need to know. See, anyone can be admin (j/k, j/k) :P Thanks Catlin, Jeff drogo@labyrinth.net Drogo on DALnet #mIRC (drogo@dal.net) PGP Public Key Available at http://www.labs.net/drogo/pgp/pgp.html Check out the DALnet #mIRC Resource center at http://www.mIRC.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Catlin Subject: Re: (dragon-oper) Re: DALnet: Admin Change, Info and Thanks Date: 19 Sep 1997 22:02:33 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 drogo@labyrinth.net wrote: > Oooh! Catlin mentioned #mIRC and said something nice about it! :P""" > > Anyway, haven't known ya for very long Catlin, but you've always > been super nice to me at least, and it's a shame to see you > un-admin yourself (sounds corny). But hopefully you'll still hang > around, and now you can let _Cyan_ sweat out all that DALnet > political stuff :P I'll hang around if you all promise to beat me upside the head when you catch me hovering around posessively, like some kind of bereaved parent. :> > Err, and oh yeah, Pax_man fails at least 23 oper attempts a > day, but it's always just him under another account. That's all > you need to know. See, anyone can be admin (j/k, j/k) :P Ermmm I probably lost whatever his last address update was. It's not all my fault! He keeps changing 'em... :> Catlin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: morkemo1 Subject: (dragon-oper) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 15:08:48 -0500 Date: 20 Sep 1997 14:01:06 -0600 visit #revival on dal.net 10pm central standard time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (dragon-oper) Dragon.dal.net Date: 19 Sep 1997 08:48:34 Hi. I was wondering what the odds of becomeing an IRCop on your server. I know most of the rules already and I won't take advantage of the position. E-mail me back if you get the time or find me on dalnet as ^Furyion^ (it's registered so you can leave a memo). Thanks for taking the time to read this. ^Furyion^ ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: keytahn@netcom.com Subject: (dragon-oper) Reporting Date: 27 Sep 1997 22:58:17 -0700 Hi.. I'm not sure if this is where I report this, but i'm giving it a try. On Saturday night, around 10:40 PST I received a msg from Klansman, with the words "hang a nigger..join #KuKluxClan". I went to dragonrealm on dalnet..and 2 other people were there who had also received the same message, trying to report it. I was told there was nothing I could do but put the individual on ignore. When I tried to explain that I felt it needed to be reported, I was told by Clueman that to demonstrate his point he would put me on ignore. In effect, I got no help. I can't log, unfortunately, as I am on a shell account, but hopefully you will get mail from others who are concerned about receiving msg's of that level of offensiveness. Thank you. keytahn@netcom.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Catlin Subject: Re: (dragon-oper) Reporting Date: 28 Sep 1997 12:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Hi there, I got a mass msg similar to the one you describe this morning almost as soon as I signed on. The messager has been kicked off DALnet for a while in warning. Several IRCops were concerned about him, and it he keeps it up someone will undoubtedly talk to his ISP about him. You can't always find an IRCop on #dragonrealm. Only channel ops there are IRCops. You can try typing /trace to see if there are any IRCops on the server you're using, or /trace servername.* to check other servers. It's best ot find an active IRCop to track down the messager when it happens, since we can almost never find them once they've signed off. This time I got lucky. :) Catlin On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 keytahn@netcom.com wrote: > > Hi.. > I'm not sure if this is where I report this, but i'm giving it a try. > On Saturday night, around 10:40 PST I received a msg from Klansman, > with the words "hang a nigger..join #KuKluxClan". > > I went to dragonrealm on dalnet..and 2 other people were there who had > also received the same message, trying to report it. I was told there > was nothing I could do but put the individual on ignore. When I > tried to explain that I felt it needed to be reported, I was told > by Clueman that to demonstrate > his point he would put me on ignore. In effect, I got no help. > I can't log, unfortunately, as I am on a shell account, but hopefully > you will get mail from others who are concerned about receiving msg's > of that level of offensiveness. > > Thank you. > keytahn@netcom.com > >