From: "William C. Massey" Subject: (elongates) Free Holiday Elongated Date: 07 Jan 1998 04:02:40 -0800 Greetings everyone! Thanks to Lurene Haines (TEC #2121), there is a whole new look to the Luck "E" Penny Website... Check it out, and you'll find an offer for a free limited edition holiday elongated coin. But don't delay, requests for this issue must be postmarked by January 31, 1998--To be shipped in early Feb. with my newest listing of elongated goodies. -- Happy Collecting, William C. Massey TEC #1857 MCCC #674 ******************************************** P.S. Please visit The revised LUCK "E" PENNY Home Page (as of 1/5/98): http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William C. Massey" Subject: (elongates) Re: TEC News Date: 24 Jan 1998 05:50:31 -0800 X-Message-Number: 3 Why would Corey print THESE excerpts? This is NOT the kind of article TEC News should be printing IMHO, at least it is not what I am paying dues to read! This letter should have remained a letter, sent to Corey and perhaps shared with others, but not placed in the Record of TEC. There's an appropriate place for each type of communication, and Angelo's concerns should be address via other letters, not through yet another round of "us vs them" internet/TEC News missives. I have to agree with you on this, Bert! It was bad enough reading Angelo's hogwash about what we "should" be calling ECs, but to print one man's negative opinion of Kathy's site was totally wrong. However, it was printed and as I told Kathy: > The article was written by Angelo Rosoto who, in my opinion, is fearful that the Internet will replace the need for folks to purchase his book. In my opinion, this letter > should never have been published, and I'm sorry if it is causing you concern. > I'm sorry if it seems you got negative publicity from the article, but > please remember that those of us who visit your page know that it is a > wonderful site indeed!!! And those that aren't on the Internet will > forget about it almost instantly. > > However, the article is correct in pointing out that there is a lot of > bogus info concerning ECs on the Net. Case in point: Aahz has a listing > of Rollers, engravers, etc. A large percentage of those listed as > such are most certainly not correct (ex. Ray Dillard does not engrave; Jim Dundon does design, engrave, and roll). Just > because one's initials appear on an elongated issue does not necessarily > mean that they engraved the die. While this minor misinformation may in > an of itself not seem to be major, it does have its consequences... that > being, having the veracity of everything on the net questioned... > especially by the man who wrote the book on ECs. One of the problems is, we're just not getting enough input for the TEC NEWS... everyone wants to read, but few wish to write. Even suggestions of what to write about would be helpful! If you have such suggestions, please send them to me (massey@clark.net)... I'll gladly try and find folks to write about specific topics. -- Sincerely, William C. Massey TEC president ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William C. Massey" Subject: (elongates) More on Rosoto's thinking Date: 27 Jan 1998 00:47:55 -0800 Hi gang, I just received an email reiterating some of Rosoto's thoughts. I thought I would share it with you, along with my reply to him (so that you know exactly how I stand on the issues): Someone wrote to me: > ...recently an older gentleman coin roller I know > complained about some of the language used by > modern rollers to describe their samples as... Squashed... Smasshed, > seems this > is not good for us collectors here in the US, as in Canada the rolling > of canadian coins is illegal. > Any thoughts?, just a friendly collector who likes elongated coins > Do we want the public to think we allow the smasssssssssshinggggggg of > US coins? > All we need r some right wingers to think you rollers are a bunch of > coin smashing, flag burning terrorists, and then the confiscation of all > elongated coins, oh noooooooooo Greetings, I, for one, refer to them as "elongated coins" most of the time but see no need to be uppity about it...Live and let live, I always say. First of all, there are literally thousands of collectors out there collecting elongates from vending machines, having no idea WHAT to call them (as there is rarely any mention of the conventional terminology on the machines themselves). Therefore, people wind up calling them all sorts of things... flat, squished, rolled-out, pressed, etc. because that's what they look like, and they haven't any numismatic friends to set them straight. In fact, several of the people hosting websites dedicated to elongated coins under more unconventional names, had done so before ever hearing the term "elongated coins", let alone TEC. However, as they communicate with more serious collectors they usually tend to adapt the more conventional terminology eventually. But in any case, Isn't the fact that people are having fun collecting them what's really important...no matter what they call them??? As for your fear of them becoming illegal, I really don't think you need to worry. First of all, the Government itself is responsible for mutilating coins--just check out the Mint's catalog of coins with holes drilled through them as to accommodate the mechanics of a time piece. Even Canada has begun offering mutilated coinage of this nature. And because of this fact, I believe that it won't be long before people will be allowed to produce elongated coin souvenirs on Canadian coinage as well. Secondly, every U.S. cent that is rolled into an elongated coin reduces the National Debt...The Government knows this--It's the same concept as offering Mint sets, or the circulating commemorative quarters that will be issued soon... The coin goes out of circulation, yet the economy is stimulated by the chain of revenues produced by the product(s). It's a win-win situation for the Government. Anyway, you asked for my thought on the topic... and that's how I feel. -- Sincerely, William C. Massey TEC #1857 MCCC #674 ******************************************** P.S. Please visit The newly revised LUCK "E" PENNY Website: http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm Visit before January 31, 1998, and be eligible for a free limited edition elongated cent! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William C. Massey" Subject: (elongates) Rosoto's Letter Date: 27 Jan 1998 00:52:50 -0800 I think that someone should compile all the email from this list reguarding Rosoto's Letter, and send it directly to him... But don't look at me (he hates me enough already...but that's another story). W ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Hoff Subject: (elongates) Want List Old Disney Date: 27 Jan 1998 21:06:22 -0800 Hi Aahz; I was going to post this want list, but, I'll need your help on DIS numbers for some of them. There are two Mickey 60th's, one with a double band around the letters and one with a single band. Also there are two "Bear Country's", one with large letters "Disneyland" across the top and one with smaller letters. (The size of the image is larger / smaller also) Don't know about the POC, David Tomita listed it at his site. Side Bar: I didn't offer your catalog to the Disney archives, but, you may want to. The are in Burbank and Disneyland can provide their number. Hi All! Below is my want list of old Disney. Let me know what you need and I may be able to get one for you as a trade. We have All Disneyland Tokyo issues, some old Disneyland. Wants / Wishes Cents: One DIS-DL-4 "Frontier Land / Disneyland" (outlined Mickey) Two DIS-DL-15 Mickey "Disneyland USA" copper One DIS-DL-10 "Mickey Sixty Years" Double band over letters. copper Two DIS-DL-10a "Mickey Sixty Years" Single band under letters, copper. One DIS-DL-11 "35 Years of Magic, Disneyland" copper. One Bear Country copper with small lettering "Disneyland" over the top. Nickels: Two DIS-DL-87 "Happy Holidays 1996 Disneyland" One DIS-DL-88 "Seasons Greetings, 1996 Disneyland" Nickel One DIS-TDA-1 "Open House '95" Nickel Two DIS-DL-104 "Pirates of the Caribbean" rehab nickels, Happy Collecting! -Bob and Anastasia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Hoff Subject: (elongates) Want List Old Disney Date: 27 Jan 1998 21:32:04 -0800 Sorry, previous post was sent before editing. 8-( Hi All! Below is my want list of old Disney. Let me know what _you need_ and I may be able to get one for you as a trade. We have All Disneyland Tokyo issues, some old Disneyland. Wants / Wishes Cents: One DIS-DL-4 "Frontier Land / Disneyland" (outlined Mickey) Two DIS-DL-15 Mickey "Disneyland USA" copper One DIS-DL-10 "Mickey Sixty Years" Double band over letters. copper Two DIS-DL-10a "Mickey Sixty Years" Single band under letters, copper. One DIS-DL-11 "35 Years of Magic, Disneyland" copper. One DIS=DL-3 "Main Street USA" Minnie and Mickey in old car. copper One Bear Country copper with small lettering "Disneyland" over the top. Nickels: Two DIS-DL-87 "Happy Holidays 1996 Disneyland" One DIS-DL-88 "Seasons Greetings, 1996 Disneyland" Nickel One DIS-TDA-1 "Open House '95" Nickel Two DIS-DL-104 "Pirates of the Caribbean" rehab nickels, Happy Collecting! -Bob and Anastasia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Birchard Subject: (elongates) Free Coin! Date: 27 Jan 1998 22:45:09 -0800 (PST) Hi all, Well, hey hey, I've got me some genuine limited edition elongates, and guess what? They are free for the asking. A number of years back (4 or 5, I'd have to check) I got my Eagle Scout award and I had Jim Dundon roll me a coin. I handed them out at my ceremony, but I've still got around a hundred of the things. The subject matter is of course me, with an Eagle and BSA and the date on the coin. I wrote an article about it way back and the coin was pictured in TEC News. Anyway, all this talk of "limited editions" got me to thinking, and hey, Jim still probably has the die and could churn out hundreds more of the things, but why?! So, I've got loads of 'em and if you want one, just send me a SASE and I'll pop one in (and heck, for your trouble and your stamp I'll throw in at least one of my other duplicates) and drop it in the mail. I ask for a SASE only because I'm too lazy to address the envelopes, plus it would end up that I'd be paying to give the things away (postage ya know). I had promised one to someone on the list quite awhile back, but I never got around to sending it off, nor do I have that e-mail anymore. Sorry who ever that is. :-} Oh, so would you like my address? Here it is: Matt Birchard 4435 NE 73RD Avenue Portland, Oregon USA e-mail: psu05992@odin.cc.pdx.edu I trust you all aren't a bunch of wackos and that I can safely post my snail mail address. :-) So there ya go. Oh, the first two people that get me an SASE will get a dime instead of a cent, I have a few of them left too. So if you want one, you can have one. More later, Matt Birchard TEC #1848