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Sincerely, Bibliofind.com Learn more about buying from Amazon Marketplace: http://www.amazon.com/marketplace Visit Amazon's Rare & Used Books Store: http://www.amazon.com/rare-books - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Joe thought it was funny Date: 05 Apr 2001 09:40:35 -0700 Thank you Keith. I really believe the joy of book collecting is the hunt. Joe >Joe responded to my request for a partial copy of Tyler's Mormon Battalion, >noting that my acquisition of this book was a rather hilarious incident. > >Actually Joe recalled my purchase of a different copy of this book than the >one I mentioned. I found it through the net at a shop in Kansas >somewhere. I called and a woman answered. The conversation went something >like this: > >Me: I'm calling to see if you still have the The History of the Mormon >Battalion by Daniel Tyler. >She: HEY ARCHIE, DO WE STILL GOT THAT MORMON BOOK? >Distant voice: Uhhhhh, yeah. It's still here. >She : Yep, we got it. >Me: OK. Is it a first edition? >She: HEY ARCHIE, IS IT A FIRST EDITION? >Distant voice: Hell, I don't know. It looks old. >She: Yeah, its a first edition. >Me: Could you look at the date and describe the book to me? >She: HEY ARCHIE, BRING ME THAT THING >Moments pass. >She: It says 1881. Looks like a nice book. >Me: Is it leather >She: Yeah, it has leather on it. You sure are picky! >Me: Yeah, I've been told that before. How much do you want. > >I bought it and it turned out to be a 3/4 leather copy in quite nice >shape. I'm not sure of the accuracy of the preceeding but it certainly >reflects the tone. > >keith > > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Fwd from Will Bagley Date: 05 Apr 2001 10:05:16 -0700 I know nothing about this, but thought I would pass it along in case someone can help the owner. Joe >Please keep your eyes out for 17-vols of Bancroft's Works, bound in Sheep. They have Otto Mears' name stamped on the spine, and they're stolen. Pass the word to any dealers. Will Bagley _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf]Autobiography of John Brown Date: 06 Apr 2001 09:46:42 -0700 Sorry to those who have seen my post before. I have a few details I left out and feel more comfortable discussing them on a closed list like this. I have bought one of those real treasures for me. I realize it is not a 1st BOM or Book of Commandments, but for me this makes my heart race almost as much. (Not really, but hey when you hit 40 having a thrill over anything ain't bad!) I became interested in the "Autobiography of John Brown" a few years ago when I bought the 2nd printing from Frontier Books. I had been told that the 1st printing was "scarce", and dealers who I had talked with had not ever seen a 1st printing. At that time I figured I would live without the 1st edition/printing since it is so difficult to find. I recently bought a copy of a 1st edition "Autobiography of Pioneer John Brown" from Benchmark Books. When Hugh told me he had found me a copy I was ready to go dancing naked in the streets. I resisted, knowing that I would make my neighbors ill. I am amazed with lack of knowledge about John Brown and using his book as a source in the current books being written (last 20 years). In my research, here is what I find: Will Bagley writes in "Army of Israel" that he was "a remarkable man with a common name" and then quotes from the autobiography. Norma Ricketts, author of "Mormon Battalion" uses John Brown as a source , and "Over the Rim" uses his journal, which is found in his autobiography, extensively. This seems to be the extent of using his autobiography. John Brown was everywhere, he was in Nauvoo to help build the temple, then he's in Mississippi to gather pioneers to meet up with BY, he is then in Pueblo Colo. assisting men and women from the Mormon Battalion, then he's back with the Camp of Israel and he and Orson Pratt are the first to see the SL valley. Then we find him with Parley Pratt and the Southern Utah expedition. He also is invovled in the Utah War, and becomes quite a political leader in Utah. I think he crosses the plains 16 different times! He married three woman and had a large family with each wife. He was also Amy Brown Lyman's father. In "Over the Rim", they have the wrong picture in his bio spot. Ardis Parshall pointed out that this picture, along with bio information on another person are some of the problems with "Over the Rim". John Brown is only mentioned in passing in Arrington's "BY", Cambell's "Establishing Zion" and "Orson Pratt's Journal". It's weird, Eldon Watson quotes everyone elses journal, but never mentions John Brown's. As for the Autobiography.......it was first printed in 1941 by Stevens and Wallis inc. and reprinted in 1981 by Publishers Press. The first printing was done by John Brown's son John Zimmerman Brown and the 2nd printing was done by John Zimmerman Brown jr.. I recently contacted the wife of the man who did the second printing and then his son. They both told me that the publication of the book was done for family. When the first printing became impossible for family to find, the grandson of John Brown decided to do another printing. The wife and son both think there was at least 1000 printed in the second printing. Most of these have gone to family members. They both have no idea how many books were printed up for the 1st printing. I am curious why this autobiography is not as well known (ie. collectable or used as source material) as James Brown's "Life of a Pioneer", or Dan Jones "Forty Years Among the Indians"? I am also curious if any of you know more about the two printings other than what I have written? Joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kim Leavitt" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf]Autobiography of John Brown Date: 06 Apr 2001 21:03:05 -0400 Do you have any theories about this phenomenon? Do you suspect he is being written out of the histories for some reason (a la Jesse Gause), or just overlooked? I've read elsewhere that it was Orson Pratt and Erastus Snow who first saw the SL valley, not OP and John Brown (e.g. http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/lds/ch_hist/arc/slc_view.html). Does John Brown's autobiography report this event? Kim Leavitt -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joe Geisner Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 12:47 PM Sorry to those who have seen my post before. I have a few details I left out and feel more comfortable discussing them on a closed list like this. I have bought one of those real treasures for me. I realize it is not a 1st BOM or Book of Commandments, but for me this makes my heart race almost as much. (Not really, but hey when you hit 40 having a thrill over anything ain't bad!) I became interested in the "Autobiography of John Brown" a few years ago when I bought the 2nd printing from Frontier Books. I had been told that the 1st printing was "scarce", and dealers who I had talked with had not ever seen a 1st printing. At that time I figured I would live without the 1st edition/printing since it is so difficult to find. I recently bought a copy of a 1st edition "Autobiography of Pioneer John Brown" from Benchmark Books. When Hugh told me he had found me a copy I was ready to go dancing naked in the streets. I resisted, knowing that I would make my neighbors ill. I am amazed with lack of knowledge about John Brown and using his book as a source in the current books being written (last 20 years). In my research, here is what I find: Will Bagley writes in "Army of Israel" that he was "a remarkable man with a common name" and then quotes from the autobiography. Norma Ricketts, author of "Mormon Battalion" uses John Brown as a source , and "Over the Rim" uses his journal, which is found in his autobiography, extensively. This seems to be the extent of using his autobiography. John Brown was everywhere, he was in Nauvoo to help build the temple, then he's in Mississippi to gather pioneers to meet up with BY, he is then in Pueblo Colo. assisting men and women from the Mormon Battalion, then he's back with the Camp of Israel and he and Orson Pratt are the first to see the SL valley. Then we find him with Parley Pratt and the Southern Utah expedition. He also is invovled in the Utah War, and becomes quite a political leader in Utah. I think he crosses the plains 16 different times! He married three woman and had a large family with each wife. He was also Amy Brown Lyman's father. In "Over the Rim", they have the wrong picture in his bio spot. Ardis Parshall pointed out that this picture, along with bio information on another person are some of the problems with "Over the Rim". John Brown is only mentioned in passing in Arrington's "BY", Cambell's "Establishing Zion" and "Orson Pratt's Journal". It's weird, Eldon Watson quotes everyone elses journal, but never mentions John Brown's. As for the Autobiography.......it was first printed in 1941 by Stevens and Wallis inc. and reprinted in 1981 by Publishers Press. The first printing was done by John Brown's son John Zimmerman Brown and the 2nd printing was done by John Zimmerman Brown jr.. I recently contacted the wife of the man who did the second printing and then his son. They both told me that the publication of the book was done for family. When the first printing became impossible for family to find, the grandson of John Brown decided to do another printing. The wife and son both think there was at least 1000 printed in the second printing. Most of these have gone to family members. They both have no idea how many books were printed up for the 1st printing. I am curious why this autobiography is not as well known (ie. collectable or used as source material) as James Brown's "Life of a Pioneer", or Dan Jones "Forty Years Among the Indians"? I am also curious if any of you know more about the two printings other than what I have written? Joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis C. Davis" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] An Unusual Surprise! Date: 07 Apr 2001 00:31:38 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0BEFA.1C304200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: DeJONG, Jr., Gerrit - GREATER DIVIDENDS FROM RELIGION Subtitle: A Discussion of the Practicality of some Religious = Teachings of a Peculiar People Deseret Book Company, SLC, 1950, 137 pp. This book has been setting on one of my shelves for at least 30 = years. I avoided reading it because of a false impression that it was = too elementary--you know, Junior Sunday School level stuff. I was = pleasantly surprised, however, when I recently decided to read it. I = found it well written and informative. Even though I didn't agree with = everything Bro. DeJong wrote, it was a pleasing discovery. Three of the chapter titles are "Theology and Religion"; "A Study of = Good and Evil"; and "The Implications of Eternal Progress". You know the old saying which, by the way I don't believe is totally = true, that "You Can't Judge A Book By Its Cover". Well, I learned that = you can't always judge a book by your first impression of it either. Dennis "C" Davis =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0BEFA.1C304200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Re:  DeJONG, Jr., Gerrit  = -  GREATER=20 DIVIDENDS FROM RELIGION
    Subtitle:  A = Discussion of=20 the Practicality of some Religious Teachings of a Peculiar = People
    Deseret Book = Company, SLC, 1950,=20 137 pp.
 
    This book has been = setting on=20 one of my shelves for at least 30 years.  I avoided reading it = because of a=20 false impression that it was too elementary--you know, Junior Sunday = School=20 level stuff.  I was pleasantly surprised, however, when I recently = decided=20 to read it.  I found it well written and informative.  Even = though I=20 didn't agree with everything Bro. DeJong wrote, it was a pleasing=20 discovery.
 
    Three of the = chapter titles=20 are "Theology and Religion"; "A Study of Good and Evil"; and "The = Implications=20 of Eternal Progress".
 
    You know the old = saying which,=20 by the way I don't believe is totally true, that "You Can't Judge A Book = By Its=20 Cover".  Well, I learned that you can't always judge a book by your = first=20 impression of it either.
 
    Dennis "C" = Davis
  
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0BEFA.1C304200-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] An Unusual Surprise! Date: 06 Apr 2001 23:37:33 -0600 --------------8D0D61B9F264707B41CADED2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember reading this a few years ago and thinking the EXACT same thing. It looked like a fairly typical inspirational work, but I too was surprised and enjoyed many of the chapters. John "Dennis C. Davis" wrote: > Re: DeJONG, Jr., Gerrit - GREATER DIVIDENDS FROM RELIGION > Subtitle: A Discussion of the Practicality of some Religious > Teachings of a Peculiar People Deseret Book Company, SLC, 1950, 137 > pp. This book has been setting on one of my shelves for at least > 30 years. I avoided reading it because of a false impression that it > was too elementary--you know, Junior Sunday School level stuff. I was > pleasantly surprised, however, when I recently decided to read it. I > found it well written and informative. Even though I didn't agree > with everything Bro. DeJong wrote, it was a pleasing discovery. > Three of the chapter titles are "Theology and Religion"; "A Study of > Good and Evil"; and "The Implications of Eternal Progress". You > know the old saying which, by the way I don't believe is totally true, > that "You Can't Judge A Book By Its Cover". Well, I learned that you > can't always judge a book by your first impression of it either. > Dennis "C" Davis --------------8D0D61B9F264707B41CADED2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember reading this a few years ago and thinking the EXACT same thing.  It looked like a fairly typical inspirational work, but I too was surprised and enjoyed many of the chapters.

John

"Dennis C. Davis" wrote:

Re:  DeJONG, Jr., Gerrit  -  GREATER DIVIDENDS FROM RELIGION    Subtitle:  A Discussion of the Practicality of some Religious Teachings of a Peculiar People    Deseret Book Company, SLC, 1950, 137 pp.     This book has been setting on one of my shelves for at least 30 years.  I avoided reading it because of a false impression that it was too elementary--you know, Junior Sunday School level stuff.  I was pleasantly surprised, however, when I recently decided to read it.  I found it well written and informative.  Even though I didn't agree with everything Bro. DeJong wrote, it was a pleasing discovery.     Three of the chapter titles are "Theology and Religion"; "A Study of Good and Evil"; and "The Implications of Eternal Progress".     You know the old saying which, by the way I don't believe is totally true, that "You Can't Judge A Book By Its Cover".  Well, I learned that you can't always judge a book by your first impression of it either.     Dennis "C" Davis
--------------8D0D61B9F264707B41CADED2-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis Nelson" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] An Unusual Surprise! Date: 07 Jan 2001 08:27:19 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C07883.A691DD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is one of the wonderful benefits of Bookshelf. Were I to see this book on a shelf, I would likely pass it by as generic or common, and miss out on some useful experiences. Thank you both for the heads up notification. Incidently, I am curious to know the bar code legend for books, as I have been trying out the book data base recently commented on her by Brian, I think. Are the first three or four numbers subject matter? Are there a couple for publisher? Rick, perhaps you know the story? By the way, I can figure out no pattern to the books, when scanned that have a picture of the cover in the data base, and those that do not. Thus far, it seems Signature and FARMS are most likely publishers to have a photo retrieved by the data base program. -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of John Hatch Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:38 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] An Unusual Surprise! I remember reading this a few years ago and thinking the EXACT same thing. It looked like a fairly typical inspirational work, but I too was surprised and enjoyed many of the chapters. John "Dennis C. Davis" wrote: Re: DeJONG, Jr., Gerrit - GREATER DIVIDENDS FROM RELIGION Subtitle: A Discussion of the Practicality of some Religious Teachings of a Peculiar People Deseret Book Company, SLC, 1950, 137 pp. This book has been setting on one of my shelves for at least 30 years. I avoided reading it because of a false impression that it was too elementary--you know, Junior Sunday School level stuff. I was pleasantly surprised, however, when I recently decided to read it. I found it well written and informative. Even though I didn't agree with everything Bro. DeJong wrote, it was a pleasing discovery. Three of the chapter titles are "Theology and Religion"; "A Study of Good and Evil"; and "The Implications of Eternal Progress". You know the old saying which, by the way I don't believe is totally true, that "You Can't Judge A Book By Its Cover". Well, I learned that you can't always judge a book by your first impression of it either. Dennis "C" Davis ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C07883.A691DD40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This=20 is one of the wonderful benefits of Bookshelf. Were I to see this book = on a=20 shelf, I would likely pass it by as generic or common, and miss out on=20 some
useful=20 experiences. Thank you both for the heads up = notification.
Incidently, I am curious to know the bar code legend for books, = as I have=20 been trying out the book data base recently commented on her by Brian, I = think.
Are=20 the first three or four numbers subject matter? Are there a couple for=20 publisher? Rick, perhaps you know the story? By the way, I can figure = out no=20 pattern
to the=20 books, when scanned that have a picture of the cover in the data base, = and those=20 that do not. Thus far, it seems Signature and FARMS are most=20 likely
publishers to have a photo retrieved by the data base=20 program.
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = John=20 Hatch
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:38 PM
To:=20 lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [LDS-Bookshelf] An=20 Unusual Surprise!

I remember reading this a few = years ago=20 and thinking the EXACT same thing.  It looked like a fairly = typical=20 inspirational work, but I too was surprised and enjoyed many of the = chapters.=20

John=20

"Dennis C. Davis" wrote:=20

Re:  DeJONG, Jr., = Gerrit  - =20 GREATER DIVIDENDS FROM RELIGION    Subtitle:  A Discussion of the = Practicality=20 of some Religious Teachings of a Peculiar People    Deseret Book = Company, SLC, 1950,=20 137 pp.    =20 This book has been setting on one of my shelves for at least 30 = years. =20 I avoided reading it because of a false impression that it was too=20 elementary--you know, Junior Sunday School level stuff.  I was=20 pleasantly surprised, however, when I recently decided to read = it.  I=20 found it well written and informative.  Even though I didn't = agree with=20 everything Bro. DeJong wrote, it was a pleasing=20 discovery.     Three of the chapter titles are = "Theology and=20 Religion"; "A Study of Good and Evil"; and "The Implications of = Eternal=20 Progress".     You know the old saying which, by the = way I don't=20 believe is totally true, that "You Can't Judge A Book By Its = Cover". =20 Well, I learned that you can't always judge a book by your first = impression=20 of it either.     Dennis "C" Davis
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C07883.A691DD40-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Stocks" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] (Fwd) [SL] O Cowdery "Defense" Date: 07 Apr 2001 09:00:30 -0600 0100,0100,0100I wonder if anyone here has an answer to this query that appeared on another list? ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Has anyone on the list seen information relative to a pamphlet entitled "Defense" purported to have been written by O. Cowdery in 1838 after his expulsion from the church. I happened across this, as well as a brief notation on a web site suggesting that this document is a 1906 forgery. I was curious whether anyone on the list was aware of some of the evidence used to detect this as a forgery. Much of the writing seems to be in the same style as brother Cowdery's early writings, but a lot of it appears suspect to me as well. Peter Hugh Stocks hstocks@vii.com Computers will save the world! (when we find the right program.) - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Additional bookselling humor Date: 07 Apr 2001 14:50:41 EDT The second in my series of amusing internet exchanges, resulting from my website. Curt, I just had to do this - perhaps the devil made me do it. Besides, my compliments were sincere, and the gentleman may even buy things! Chuckling, RickBook [quoted e-mail exchange follows:] In a message dated 04/07/2001 12:35:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, k4hx@webkorner.com writes: << 4/6/01 11:23:28 PM Hello Rick- I stumbled upon your offerring on eBay for the set of (2) pages from a 1st edition of the Book of Mormon. Wow! I had no idea that only two leaves from such a book would be worth several hundreds of dollars (or more, the auction is ongoing)! What would a complete copy of the book bring? I did a search on eBay for interesting things pertaining to Church history just to have something to do. When I saw the link on your eBay ad to your website, I was naturally drawn to its exploration. I must say it has been fascinating! A beautifully structured site, I might add! Your website may have sparked a new adventure for me. To seek and find some kind of old and/or rare treasure that is related to the Church, one of my life's passions. Unfortunately, it doesn't take much time to be made aware of the rather high price such antiquities demand. My question to you is...what can be had that is perhaps not so rare as to be highly valued by well endowed collectors only, but that is nontheless interesting to an average member of the Church, such as I? I would also like to ask you the following personal question: Are you in any way apostate or rebellious towards the church? The only reason I ask is that when reading about some of the items you have for sale that tend to deal with contemporary articles written about Joseph Smith, and glancing over your novel and its subtitle, I get the feeling (nagging hunch) that you might be someone who has set out to prove, in this day and time, that Joseph was a phony. Perhaps I am simply confusing the intent of those in Joseph's day with that of your own, and am jumping to conclusions, not having read your book in its entirety. Please forgive if this is the case. If, in fact, you have a strong testimony, and that Mormon antiquities fascinate you, as they appear to have begun to fascinate me, or that Church history collectibles are simply your business, I apologize. Nevertheless, I would suggest that you publish your Testimony on your website, so that potential new customers like me don't misunderstand your purpose in seeking these things and offerring them for sale to others. Best regards, . . . . . >> Dear . . . . ., I am not the only person who has commented to fellow collectors and dealers in recent years how surprising it is, that there are people out there who feel they have a right to ask highly personal questions of total strangers. I have customers who have spent tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars with me over the years, yet we would never dream of broaching each others' personal boundaries in such a manner. From long experience, I should also add that if you use someone's proclaimed faithfulness and commitment to the LDS Church as a basis for whether or not to trust them in business dealings - then you had better hold on to their wallet. Let me say, on the other hand, that I believe you are sincere, and that you certainly deserve access to the fascinating world of Mormon collectibles. Let me therefore refer you to my good friend and colleague, who is a model of LDS orthodoxy and worthiness, faithful to the LDS Church (Salt Lake City Church, not Reorganized, not Fundamentalist, etc.), highly knowledgeable about LDS books, and honest in his dealings. (I feel certain that he has a strong testimony, although he may not be willing to perform on command.) . . . Curt Bench Benchmark Books Salt Lake City, Utah (801) 486-3111 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf]Autobiography of John Brown Date: 07 Apr 2001 15:13:22 EDT In a message dated 04/06/2001 9:03:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kleavitt@mediaone.net writes: << Do you have any theories about this phenomenon? Do you suspect he is being written out of the histories for some reason (a la Jesse Gause), or just overlooked? I've read elsewhere that it was Orson Pratt and Erastus Snow who first saw the SL valley, not OP and John Brown (e.g. http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/lds/ch_hist/arc/slc_view.html). Does John Brown's autobiography report this event? Kim Leavitt >> When I watch "Jeopardy" at nights, I am constantly amazed at the pockets of information which some people miss - particularly because most of those contestants are obviously more informed than I. And on "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" the other night (multiple choice questions, remember), a very bright young man had to call a friend to learn who wrote "Paradise Lost." (It just blew me away. Of course, the moment the question turned to movies, I hadn't the slightest clue to the answer.) And then, there was a certain BYU faculty friend of mine back in the 1970s (PHd in history) who had not heard of Cervantes, author of "Don Quixote." So it is with John Brown. I had never heard of him until the recent posts here on LDS Bookshelf. Don't know what that means, but it is easy for a great source to get overlooked, as we all know from each of our personal favored books! Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] (Fwd) [SL] O Cowdery "Defense" Date: 07 Apr 2001 12:33:15 -0700 --=====================_3372388==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Perhaps someone could enquire of Scott Faulring. Does anyone know the status of his book, "Witness of the Second Elder, The Documentary History of Oliver Cowdery?" Some time ago I purchased a copy of "the last" pre-publication draft and was told at the time that publication would occur within the year. That was a several years ago. Keith At 09:00 AM 4/7/01 -0600, you wrote: >I wonder if anyone here has an answer to this query that appeared on >another list? > >------- Forwarded message follows ------- > >Has anyone on the list seen information relative to >a pamphlet entitled "Defense" purported to have been >written by O. Cowdery in 1838 after his expulsion from >the church. I happened across this, as well as a brief >notation on a web site suggesting that this document >is a 1906 forgery. > >I was curious whether anyone on the list was aware of >some of the evidence used to detect this as a forgery. > >Much of the writing seems to be in the same style as >brother Cowdery's early writings, but a lot of it appears >suspect to me as well. > >Peter > > > >Hugh Stocks hstocks@vii.com > > Computers will save the world! (when we find the right > program.) > > > >---------------------------------------------------------- - >LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, >send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe >lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, >mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" --=====================_3372388==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Perhaps someone could enquire of Scott Faulring.  Does anyone know the status of his book, "Witness of the Second Elder, The Documentary History of Oliver Cowdery?"   

Some time ago I purchased a copy of "the last" pre-publication draft and was told at the time that publication would occur within the year.  That was a several years ago.

Keith


At 09:00 AM 4/7/01 -0600, you wrote:
I wonder if anyone here has an answer to this query that appeared on another list?

------- Forwarded message follows -------

Has anyone on the list seen information relative to
a pamphlet entitled "Defense" purported to have been
written by O. Cowdery in 1838 after his expulsion from
the church.  I happened across this, as well as a brief
notation on a web site suggesting that this document
is a 1906 forgery.

I was curious whether anyone on the list was aware of
some of the evidence used to detect this as a forgery.

Much of the writing seems to be in the same style as
brother Cowdery's early writings, but a lot of it appears
suspect to me as well.

Peter 



Hugh
Stocks                       
hstocks@vii.com 

           Computers
will save the world!     (when we find the right
program.) 



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So far as "some of the evidence used to detect this as a forgery," mentioned in the relayed query, there would never be a danger of mistaking the Neal pamphlet as an 1839 imprint. We are dealing here with a simple lack of an 1839 original anywhere, it seems. I have heard that Juanita Brooks believed at one time that the text might have been an authentic 1839 work, but no real evidence for that has been presented which I have seen. When I began to read the text at one time, I stopped after a few paragraphs, feeling that the writing style could never have come from the pen of Oliver Cowdery. Just my personal reactions. Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Why doesn't this happen to me? Date: 07 Apr 2001 13:00:26 -0700 Rick and I seem prone to reporting transcripts. Here's another phone call that happened last Monday evening. She: Bishop Irwin. A mutual friend told me that you repair old books. Me: Oh, I do simple repairs on my own books and occasionally for friends. Why? She: Well, I bought a copy of The History of Utah by Bancroft on the internet for $35 and it has some loose pages. Me: I see. Is the binding tan colored leather or red cloth? She: Red Cloth with gold and black on it. Me: Nice. That's the pictorial edition and it's fairly scarce. Look opposite page 20 and you should see a color plate. She: [pause] Nope. No picture there. Me: How about opposite page 79? Should be a picture of missionaries with the Indians. She: Nope! Me: [quickly scrambling through Flake] Hmmm. There is a variant of this book with no plates. She: It was originally in a library. Me: That may explain it. How do you know it came from a library? Does it have a stamp or pocket? She: There is a note in the front from the donor: "Presented to the ???? Library, Wilford Woodruff." Me: [Stunned silence] Oh! I suppose I could have been a scumbag and offered her the chance to triple her money but I didn't. She now knows she has something and I'll tip in some pages in the next few weeks. Keith - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Marotta Subject: Extant and Extancy (Was: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] (Fwd) [SL] O Cowdery "Defense") Date: 07 Apr 2001 16:20:52 -0400 This post reminds me of one of my favorite subjects regarding antiquarian books and pamphlets. Specifically, I have interest in knowing what is or is not extant (i.e., where extant means "Still existing; not destroyed or lost"). So the question is this: what titles in 19th century LDS literature are well documented as to their historical existence, but for which there are no known extant copies? This Cowdery item, if genuine, would be a good example of a non-extant item. In my mind (never spoken in the presence of others till now), I use the term "extancy" as derivative of "extant" (e.g., "I would like to determine the extancy of such and such a book"), but Webster forbids it, providing the following as the sole definition of extancy: "the state of rising above others; a projection". So perhaps a rebuke of my butchering of the English language is in order; or perhaps someone else can dare to use extancy as I do, and then we have coined a term and they can print some new dictionaries! Frank Marotta On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:51:52 EDT RickBook@aol.com writes: > The 1906 R. B. Neal anti-Mormon pamphlet which published the text of > this > purported 1839 pamphlet is, so far as I know, the earliest known > appearance. > I also understand that no printing shop is known to have existed in > the town > of Norton, Ohio, named in the purported original imprint. This, > just off the > top of my head, and Flake entry 2544. > > So far as "some of the evidence used to detect this as a forgery," > mentioned > in the relayed query, there would never be a danger of mistaking the > Neal > pamphlet as an 1839 imprint. We are dealing here with a simple lack > of an > 1839 original anywhere, it seems. > > I have heard that Juanita Brooks believed at one time that the text > might > have been an authentic 1839 work, but no real evidence for that has > been > presented which I have seen. When I began to read the text at one > time, I > stopped after a few paragraphs, feeling that the writing style could > never > have come from the pen of Oliver Cowdery. Just my personal > reactions. > > Rick Grunder > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message > body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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I think Rick is right on target. I have been having a conversation with a friend who is doing some research. He told me that he recently found a couple of items in the Archives that as far as he knows have never been published or noted. I often forget that much of our history has not been explored. I figure with all the books and articles we currently have access to gives us all the information. This autobiography is a good example of how rich our history is, and how little we really have explored.

It was Orson Pratt and John Brown who first saw the valley from the hills/mountains. The next day Erastus Snow and Orson Pratt walked down to the valley while others like John Brown explored the hills/mountains above the valley floor. Yes, the autobiography is a great source for these day's, that's why I was surprised "Orson Pratt's journal" does not quote from them.

Joe

Kim Leavitt writes:
>Do you have any theories about this phenomenon? Do you suspect he is being >written out of the histories for some reason (a la Jesse Gause), or just >overlooked? I've read elsewhere that it was Orson Pratt and Erastus Snow >who first saw the SL valley, not OP and John Brown (e.g. >http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/lds/ch_hist/arc/slc_view.html). Does John >Brown's autobiography report this event? > >Kim Leavitt


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I remember both Jerald and Sandra Tanner, and Richard L. Anderson writing that "Defense" is a forgery. I think RLA wrote this first in his "Improvement Era" articles which he wrote about the three witnesses. I would guess it would be found in his "Investigating the BOM Witnesses". I think the Tanners have a publication on "Defense", and I read it in their news letter.

 

Joe


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Besides, my >compliments were sincere, and the gentleman may even buy things! > >Chuckling, > >RickBook > > >[quoted e-mail exchange follows:] > >In a message dated 04/07/2001 12:35:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >k4hx@webkorner.com writes: > ><< 4/6/01 11:23:28 PM > > Hello Rick- > > I stumbled upon your offerring on eBay for the set of (2) pages from a >1st >edition of > the Book of Mormon. Wow! I had no idea that only two leaves from such a >book > would be worth several hundreds of dollars (or more, the auction is >ongoing)! What > would a complete copy of the book bring? > > I did a search on eBay for interesting things pertaining to Church >history >just to have > something to do. When I saw the link on your eBay ad to your website, I >was > naturally drawn to its exploration. I must say it has been fascinating! >A >beautifully > structured site, I might add! Your website may have sparked a new >adventure >for > me. To seek and find some kind of old and/or rare treasure that is >related >to the > Church, one of my life's passions. > > Unfortunately, it doesn't take much time to be made aware of the rather >high >price > such antiquities demand. My question to you is...what can be had that is >perhaps > not so rare as to be highly valued by well endowed collectors only, but >that >is > nontheless interesting to an average member of the Church, such as I? > > I would also like to ask you the following personal question: > > Are you in any way apostate or rebellious towards the church? The only >reason I > ask is that when reading about some of the items you have for sale that >tend >to deal > with contemporary articles written about Joseph Smith, and glancing over >your > novel and its subtitle, I get the feeling (nagging hunch) that you might >be >someone > who has set out to prove, in this day and time, that Joseph was a phony. >Perhaps I > am simply confusing the intent of those in Joseph's day with that of your >own, and > am jumping to conclusions, not having read your book in its entirety. >Please forgive > if this is the case. > > If, in fact, you have a strong testimony, and that Mormon antiquities >fascinate you, as > they appear to have begun to fascinate me, or that Church history >collectibles are > simply your business, I apologize. Nevertheless, I would suggest that >you >publish > your Testimony on your website, so that potential new customers like me >don't > misunderstand your purpose in seeking these things and offerring them for >sale to > others. > > Best regards, > . . . . . >> > > > >Dear . . . . ., > >I am not the only person who has commented to fellow collectors and dealers >in recent years how surprising it is, that there are people out there who >feel they have a right to ask highly personal questions of total strangers. >I have customers who have spent tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of >dollars with me over the years, yet we would never dream of broaching each >others' personal boundaries in such a manner. > >From long experience, I should also add that if you use someone's >proclaimed >faithfulness and commitment to the LDS Church as a basis for whether or not >to trust them in business dealings - then you had better hold on to their >wallet. > >Let me say, on the other hand, that I believe you are sincere, and that you >certainly deserve access to the fascinating world of Mormon collectibles. >Let me therefore refer you to my good friend and colleague, who is a model >of >LDS orthodoxy and worthiness, faithful to the LDS Church (Salt Lake City >Church, not Reorganized, not Fundamentalist, etc.), highly knowledgeable >about LDS books, and honest in his dealings. (I feel certain that he has a >strong testimony, although he may not be willing to perform on command.) . >. . > >Curt Bench >Benchmark Books >Salt Lake City, Utah >(801) 486-3111 > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Additional bookselling humor Date: 07 Apr 2001 20:17:52 -0700 What is it Rick? You seem to attract those who are short one taco of a combination plate.:-) Joe (a FORMER retail owner) >The second in my series of amusing internet exchanges, resulting from my >website. > >Curt, I just had to do this - perhaps the devil made me do it. Besides, my >compliments were sincere, and the gentleman may even buy things! > >Chuckling, > >RickBook > > >[quoted e-mail exchange follows:] > >In a message dated 04/07/2001 12:35:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >k4hx@webkorner.com writes: > ><< 4/6/01 11:23:28 PM > > Hello Rick- > > I stumbled upon your offerring on eBay for the set of (2) pages from a >1st >edition of > the Book of Mormon. Wow! I had no idea that only two leaves from such a >book > would be worth several hundreds of dollars (or more, the auction is >ongoing)! What > would a complete copy of the book bring? > > I did a search on eBay for interesting things pertaining to Church >history >just to have > something to do. When I saw the link on your eBay ad to your website, I >was > naturally drawn to its exploration. I must say it has been fascinating! >A >beautifully > structured site, I might add! Your website may have sparked a new >adventure >for > me. To seek and find some kind of old and/or rare treasure that is >related >to the > Church, one of my life's passions. > > Unfortunately, it doesn't take much time to be made aware of the rather >high >price > such antiquities demand. My question to you is...what can be had that is >perhaps > not so rare as to be highly valued by well endowed collectors only, but >that >is > nontheless interesting to an average member of the Church, such as I? > > I would also like to ask you the following personal question: > > Are you in any way apostate or rebellious towards the church? The only >reason I > ask is that when reading about some of the items you have for sale that >tend >to deal > with contemporary articles written about Joseph Smith, and glancing over >your > novel and its subtitle, I get the feeling (nagging hunch) that you might >be >someone > who has set out to prove, in this day and time, that Joseph was a phony. >Perhaps I > am simply confusing the intent of those in Joseph's day with that of your >own, and > am jumping to conclusions, not having read your book in its entirety. >Please forgive > if this is the case. > > If, in fact, you have a strong testimony, and that Mormon antiquities >fascinate you, as > they appear to have begun to fascinate me, or that Church history >collectibles are > simply your business, I apologize. Nevertheless, I would suggest that >you >publish > your Testimony on your website, so that potential new customers like me >don't > misunderstand your purpose in seeking these things and offerring them for >sale to > others. > > Best regards, > . . . . . >> > > > >Dear . . . . ., > >I am not the only person who has commented to fellow collectors and dealers >in recent years how surprising it is, that there are people out there who >feel they have a right to ask highly personal questions of total strangers. >I have customers who have spent tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of >dollars with me over the years, yet we would never dream of broaching each >others' personal boundaries in such a manner. > >From long experience, I should also add that if you use someone's >proclaimed >faithfulness and commitment to the LDS Church as a basis for whether or not >to trust them in business dealings - then you had better hold on to their >wallet. > >Let me say, on the other hand, that I believe you are sincere, and that you >certainly deserve access to the fascinating world of Mormon collectibles. >Let me therefore refer you to my good friend and colleague, who is a model >of >LDS orthodoxy and worthiness, faithful to the LDS Church (Salt Lake City >Church, not Reorganized, not Fundamentalist, etc.), highly knowledgeable >about LDS books, and honest in his dealings. (I feel certain that he has a >strong testimony, although he may not be willing to perform on command.) . >. . > >Curt Bench >Benchmark Books >Salt Lake City, Utah >(801) 486-3111 > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Additional bookselling humor Date: 08 Apr 2001 12:14:16 -0600 At 02:50 PM 4/7/2001 EDT, Rickbook wrote: >The second in my series of amusing internet exchanges, resulting from my >website. > > Nevertheless, I would suggest that you publish your Testimony on your website, so that >potential new customers like me don't misunderstand your purpose in seeking these things and >offerring them for sale to others. > > Best regards, Rick, my first reaction to this highly illuminating post was a good belly laugh. On the other hand I see these people as having attained a much, much higher level piety, bigotry and naivete which I have not pursued . I have probably talked to this person's mother on numerous occasions over the past several months - I have found that women are much more unabashed at asking such personal questions than men. I have tried to politely evade their prying questions with such responses as "I'm from Washington but now I live in Utah" yet I have found that most times this evasion will not suffice and they continue to pursue their question. Sometimes I finally ask " why do you ask?" and I have found that to many, my response to their question is beyond their comprehension - why would anyone not declare their personal beliefs and commitments to total strangers over the phone!!!!! Once when a person continued to press and I finally answered in the affirmative this person then wanted to know if I was active, paid my tithing and went to the temple. I guess it must be that the thought of purchasing or even discussing the purchase of a mormon book with someone that might be a non-mormon is unthinkable - or worse. One of the employees at Benchmark was even asked what priesthood he held!!! Clods, all of em Clods. But on second thought Rick, perhaps if you had only published an ethics statement on your web page that would have sufficed............ Hugh - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Additional bookselling humor Date: 08 Apr 2001 13:27:51 -0600 The great irony of all this, is that I've never had anyone ask me these types of personal questions at DB, which is where I'd expect it. Maybe they just figure that since it's a Church owned store that we all must be good, card carrying members. It's amazing that if you just take one of the letter "m"s out of the word Mormon, how revealing it is about some folks. Good luck in dealing with them! John "Hugh J. McKell" wrote: > At 02:50 PM 4/7/2001 EDT, Rickbook wrote: > > >The second in my series of amusing internet exchanges, resulting from my > >website. > > > > Nevertheless, I would suggest that you publish your Testimony on your > website, so that > >potential new customers like me don't misunderstand your purpose in > seeking these things and >offerring them for sale to others. > > > > Best regards, > > Rick, my first reaction to this highly illuminating post was a good belly > laugh. On the other hand I see these people as having attained a much, > much higher level piety, bigotry and naivete which I have not pursued . I > have probably talked to this person's mother on numerous occasions over > the past several months - I have found that women are much more unabashed > at asking such personal questions than men. I have tried to politely evade > their prying questions with such responses as "I'm from Washington but now > I live in Utah" yet I have found that most times this evasion will not > suffice and they continue to pursue their question. Sometimes I finally ask > " why do you ask?" and I have found that to many, my response to their > question is beyond their comprehension - why would anyone not declare their > personal beliefs and commitments to total strangers over the phone!!!!! > Once when a person continued to press and I finally answered in the > affirmative this person then wanted to know if I was active, paid my > tithing and went to the temple. I guess it must be that the thought of > purchasing or even discussing the purchase of a mormon book with someone > that might be a non-mormon is unthinkable - or worse. One of the > employees at Benchmark was even asked what priesthood he held!!! Clods, > all of em Clods. > > But on second thought Rick, perhaps if you had only published an ethics > statement on your web page that would have sufficed............ > > Hugh > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Why doesn't this happen to me? Date: 08 Apr 2001 12:38:49 -0700 (PDT) I have the cloth bound copy of Bancroft's Utah, no plates. It has a card in the front of it "With the compliments of Wilford Woodruff Salt Lake City". it sounds like Woodruff must have passed out a lot of these. Mark Edlund On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Keith Irwin wrote: > Rick and I seem prone to reporting transcripts. Here's another phone call > that happened last Monday evening. > > She: Bishop Irwin. A mutual friend told me that you repair old books. > Me: Oh, I do simple repairs on my own books and occasionally for friends. Why? > She: Well, I bought a copy of The History of Utah by Bancroft on the > internet for $35 and it has some loose pages. > Me: I see. Is the binding tan colored leather or red cloth? > She: Red Cloth with gold and black on it. > Me: Nice. That's the pictorial edition and it's fairly scarce. Look > opposite page 20 and you should see a color plate. > She: [pause] Nope. No picture there. > Me: How about opposite page 79? Should be a picture of missionaries with > the Indians. > She: Nope! > Me: [quickly scrambling through Flake] Hmmm. There is a variant of this > book with no plates. > She: It was originally in a library. > Me: That may explain it. How do you know it came from a library? Does it > have a stamp or pocket? > She: There is a note in the front from the donor: "Presented to the > ???? Library, Wilford Woodruff." > Me: [Stunned silence] Oh! > > I suppose I could have been a scumbag and offered her the chance to triple > her money but I didn't. She now knows she has something and I'll tip in > some pages in the next few weeks. > > Keith > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis Nelson" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Additional bookselling humor Date: 08 Jan 2001 15:06:05 -0800 And is it any surprise that at least once a year we are treated to some article in the Wall Street Journal, or other national source about the investment gullibility of segments of the LDS populace? Just as some use the answers to their personal questions to decide on whether or not to purchase, they use the same questions to decide on investing their money. Too bad, Hugh, you have personal boundaries, or you could probably sell more books by telling such people that you had a private meeting with the brethren in the temple and they affirmed how vital and important whatever book you are selling at the time is. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Hugh J. McKell Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 11:14 AM At 02:50 PM 4/7/2001 EDT, Rickbook wrote: >The second in my series of amusing internet exchanges, resulting from my >website. > > Nevertheless, I would suggest that you publish your Testimony on your website, so that >potential new customers like me don't misunderstand your purpose in seeking these things and >offerring them for sale to others. > > Best regards, Rick, my first reaction to this highly illuminating post was a good belly laugh. On the other hand I see these people as having attained a much, much higher level piety, bigotry and naivete which I have not pursued . I have probably talked to this person's mother on numerous occasions over the past several months - I have found that women are much more unabashed at asking such personal questions than men. I have tried to politely evade their prying questions with such responses as "I'm from Washington but now I live in Utah" yet I have found that most times this evasion will not suffice and they continue to pursue their question. Sometimes I finally ask " why do you ask?" and I have found that to many, my response to their question is beyond their comprehension - why would anyone not declare their personal beliefs and commitments to total strangers over the phone!!!!! Once when a person continued to press and I finally answered in the affirmative this person then wanted to know if I was active, paid my tithing and went to the temple. I guess it must be that the thought of purchasing or even discussing the purchase of a mormon book with someone that might be a non-mormon is unthinkable - or worse. One of the employees at Benchmark was even asked what priesthood he held!!! Clods, all of em Clods. But on second thought Rick, perhaps if you had only published an ethics statement on your web page that would have sufficed............ Hugh - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Additional bookselling humor Date: 08 Apr 2001 13:13:14 -0700 (PDT) I sympathasize with Rick and Hugh in their view that religion is something that is highly personal. I think we should also remember the importance the church places on the public expression of belief. Thus I do not attribute questions like they describe to a "much, much higher level piety, bigotry and naivete which I have not pursued" as does Hugh. (How much Hugh is being tongue-in-cheek is hard for me to say in this instance--probably quite a bit). I see it as a natural part of the culture. I know that when I was a missionary I used to ask people personal questions on a regular basis. Of course it makes me kind of wince now, but it also helps me to understand where these people are coming from. Nowadays when people ask me about my religous beliefs, I answer like Rick did, basically saying that religion is a highly personal issue for me, and that I only discuss my beliefs with close friends and family. Usually people are quite surprised by this--which indicates to me that is not a common viewpoint in the church culture. Along with this, I usually do not ask others about their beliefs, and I try to never assume I know what others believe. BTW, I find that non-Mormons are usually much more intrusive with their questions than Mormons. Mark Edlund On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Hugh J. McKell wrote: > At 02:50 PM 4/7/2001 EDT, Rickbook wrote: > > >The second in my series of amusing internet exchanges, resulting from my > >website. > > > > Nevertheless, I would suggest that you publish your Testimony on your > website, so that > >potential new customers like me don't misunderstand your purpose in > seeking these things and >offerring them for sale to others. > > > > Best regards, > > Rick, my first reaction to this highly illuminating post was a good belly > laugh. On the other hand I see these people as having attained a much, > much higher level piety, bigotry and naivete which I have not pursued . I > have probably talked to this person's mother on numerous occasions over > the past several months - I have found that women are much more unabashed > at asking such personal questions than men. I have tried to politely evade > their prying questions with such responses as "I'm from Washington but now > I live in Utah" yet I have found that most times this evasion will not > suffice and they continue to pursue their question. Sometimes I finally ask > " why do you ask?" and I have found that to many, my response to their > question is beyond their comprehension - why would anyone not declare their > personal beliefs and commitments to total strangers over the phone!!!!! > Once when a person continued to press and I finally answered in the > affirmative this person then wanted to know if I was active, paid my > tithing and went to the temple. I guess it must be that the thought of > purchasing or even discussing the purchase of a mormon book with someone > that might be a non-mormon is unthinkable - or worse. One of the > employees at Benchmark was even asked what priesthood he held!!! Clods, > all of em Clods. > > But on second thought Rick, perhaps if you had only published an ethics > statement on your web page that would have sufficed............ > > Hugh > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Additional bookselling humor Date: 08 Apr 2001 14:34:41 -0700 I have enjoyed this thread, because it validates many of my personal experiences. Mark is right that the Church as an institution encourages public expression of ones belief which naturally leads to questions by the truly pious among us. My experience has been that once these people seek you out for your professional care, they frequently expect considerations with your professional fees, time, advice, and generally make much more after hour demands that quickly become obtrusive. Then when you accommodate their every whim, they are frequently the ones with which you have collection problems. I agree this attitude plays a part in the high number of illegal scams to which LDS members fall prey. Phil > I sympathasize with Rick and Hugh in their view that religion is something > that is highly personal. I think we should also remember the importance > the church places on the public expression of belief. Thus I do not > attribute questions like they describe to a "much, much higher level > piety, bigotry and naivete which I have not pursued" as does Hugh. (How > much Hugh is being tongue-in-cheek is hard for me to say in this > instance--probably quite a bit). I see it as a natural part of the > culture. I know that when I was a missionary I used to ask people > personal questions on a regular basis. Of course it makes me kind of wince > now, but it also helps me to understand where these people are coming > from. > > Nowadays when people ask me about my religous beliefs, I answer like Rick > did, basically saying that religion is a highly personal issue for me, and > that I only discuss my beliefs with close friends and family. Usually > people are quite surprised by this--which indicates to me that is not a > common viewpoint in the church culture. Along with this, I usually do not > ask others about their beliefs, and I try to never assume I know what > others believe. > > BTW, I find that non-Mormons are usually much more intrusive with their > questions than Mormons. > > > Mark Edlund > > > On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Hugh J. McKell wrote: > > > At 02:50 PM 4/7/2001 EDT, Rickbook wrote: > > > > >The second in my series of amusing internet exchanges, resulting from my > > >website. > > > > > > Nevertheless, I would suggest that you publish your Testimony on your > > website, so that > > >potential new customers like me don't misunderstand your purpose in > > seeking these things and >offerring them for sale to others. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Rick, my first reaction to this highly illuminating post was a good belly > > laugh. On the other hand I see these people as having attained a much, > > much higher level piety, bigotry and naivete which I have not pursued . I > > have probably talked to this person's mother on numerous occasions over > > the past several months - I have found that women are much more unabashed > > at asking such personal questions than men. I have tried to politely evade > > their prying questions with such responses as "I'm from Washington but now > > I live in Utah" yet I have found that most times this evasion will not > > suffice and they continue to pursue their question. Sometimes I finally ask > > " why do you ask?" and I have found that to many, my response to their > > question is beyond their comprehension - why would anyone not declare their > > personal beliefs and commitments to total strangers over the phone!!!!! > > Once when a person continued to press and I finally answered in the > > affirmative this person then wanted to know if I was active, paid my > > tithing and went to the temple. I guess it must be that the thought of > > purchasing or even discussing the purchase of a mormon book with someone > > that might be a non-mormon is unthinkable - or worse. One of the > > employees at Benchmark was even asked what priesthood he held!!! Clods, > > all of em Clods. > > > > But on second thought Rick, perhaps if you had only published an ethics > > statement on your web page that would have sufficed............ > > > > Hugh > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Why doesn't this happen to me? Date: 08 Apr 2001 15:36:54 -0700 Interesting info, Mark. I wonder if, indeed, her book has a card rather than an inscription. Keith At 12:38 PM 4/8/01 -0700, you wrote: >I have the cloth bound copy of Bancroft's Utah, no plates. It has a card >in the front of it "With the compliments of Wilford Woodruff Salt Lake >City". it sounds like Woodruff must have passed out a lot of these. > >Mark Edlund > > >On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Keith Irwin wrote: > > > Rick and I seem prone to reporting transcripts. Here's another phone call > > that happened last Monday evening. > > > > She: Bishop Irwin. A mutual friend told me that you repair old books. > > Me: Oh, I do simple repairs on my own books and occasionally for > friends. Why? > > She: Well, I bought a copy of The History of Utah by Bancroft on the > > internet for $35 and it has some loose pages. > > Me: I see. Is the binding tan colored leather or red cloth? > > She: Red Cloth with gold and black on it. > > Me: Nice. That's the pictorial edition and it's fairly scarce. Look > > opposite page 20 and you should see a color plate. > > She: [pause] Nope. No picture there. > > Me: How about opposite page 79? Should be a picture of missionaries with > > the Indians. > > She: Nope! > > Me: [quickly scrambling through Flake] Hmmm. There is a variant of this > > book with no plates. > > She: It was originally in a library. > > Me: That may explain it. How do you know it came from a > library? Does it > > have a stamp or pocket? > > She: There is a note in the front from the donor: "Presented to the > > ???? Library, Wilford Woodruff." > > Me: [Stunned silence] Oh! > > > > I suppose I could have been a scumbag and offered her the chance to triple > > her money but I didn't. She now knows she has something and I'll tip in > > some pages in the next few weeks. > > > > Keith > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Additional bookselling humor Date: 08 Apr 2001 17:46:40 -0600 At 03:06 PM 1/8/2001 -0800, Dennis wrote: > Too bad, Hugh, you have personal boundaries, or you could >probably sell more books by telling such >people that you had a private meeting with the brethren in the temple and >they affirmed how vital and important >whatever book you are selling at the time is. Hummmmm. That wouldn't be wrong would it?? Hugh - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Additional bookselling humor Date: 08 Apr 2001 17:51:16 -0600 At 01:13 PM 4/8/2001 -0700, Mark wrote: "much, much higher level of >piety, bigotry and naivete which I have not pursued" Mark, I am shocked (or perhaps flattered) that you would think that I have already reached that higher level aforementioned! Hugh - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Additional bookselling humor Date: 08 Apr 2001 17:53:40 -0600 At 02:34 PM 4/8/2001 -0700, Phil wrote:..... ......... My experience has been that once these people seek >you out for your professional care, they frequently expect considerations >with your professional fees, time, advice, and generally make much more >after hour demands that quickly become obtrusive. Then when you accommodate >their every whim, they are frequently the ones with which you have >collection problems. This is so true I could write a book about it. Hugh - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Humor #3 Date: 09 Apr 2001 17:53:58 EDT More bookselling humor; other Bookshelfers can probably tell similar stories. Some of you may have noticed that I sold a nicely re-backed first-edition Doctrine and Covenants, with facsimile title page, on eBay last week. Here is the receipt confirmation e-mail from the satisfied customer, telling the not-so-unusual tale [name deleted to respect privacy]. This e-mail was sent today, Monday . . . << Rick, Believe it or not, the post office arrived Friday with the package, they had my 10 year son who was playing basketball in the front of the house sign for it, not knowing what it was, he promptly put it down and continued playing basketball. This morning while backing out of the driveway, I saw the package laying next to the garbage cans. Since his name is [ ] (JR.) I am sure they thought he was the designate signer. Anyway, can you imagine them letting a 10 years old sign for a $25,000 package??? The book is perfect, and I am satisfied. Thanks for the great service and care. If you get a chance, post a positive feedback on ebay. I will do likewise. [ ] >> It was a registered package, and wrapped against moisture and impact. I don't know if it would have survived being run over by a car tire, - possibly. Think of an alternate scenario, at the town dump, a hundred ward members turning out to help in a messy treasure hunt. Or a court case, the D&C (now reduced to the thickness of a zip disk by giant trash compressors) on the bench as Exhibit A. "But Your Honor, the kid looked to be 12, and seemed very responsible." Still chuckling (a nervous laugh?), Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Obit Date: 09 Apr 2001 16:52:44 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0C115.807CA420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting obit in the L.A. Times today. It is 1/8 of a page in the = Metro section and the largest obit of the day. =20 Stella N. Patri, Restorer of Books & Manuscripts was the headline. =20 She was the founder of Hand Bookbinders of California. =20 It was an interesting article, but I was surprised at the interest in = her. I don't recall reading many obits on bookpeople. =20 --Steve=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0C115.807CA420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Interesting obit in the L.A. Times today. It is 1/8 of a page in = the Metro section and the largest obit of the day.

 

=

Stella N. Patri, Restorer of Books = & Manuscripts was the headline.

 

=

She was the founder of Hand Bookbinders of = California.

 

=

It was an interesting article, but I was surprised at the interest in her. = I don’t recall reading many obits on bookpeople.

 

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--Steve

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0C115.807CA420-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Obit Date: 09 Apr 2001 20:36:08 -0700 The SF Chronicle and San Jose Mercury also did obituaries on her. She was frequently at the San Francisco Center for the Book. At 04:52 PM 4/9/01 -0700, you wrote: >Interesting obit in the L.A. Times today. It is 1/8 of a page in the Metro >section and the largest obit of the day. > > > >Stella N. Patri, Restorer of Books & Manuscripts was the headline. > > > >She was the founder of Hand Bookbinders of California. > > > >It was an interesting article, but I was surprised at the interest in her. >I don t recall reading many obits on bookpeople. > > > >--Steve - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis C. Davis" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Only Two Books Date: 10 Apr 2001 23:54:23 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0C219.91B1E660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found this saying in an old 3-ring binder of mine: "One guy said there were only two books that did him any good. = One was his mother's cookbook, and the other was his father's check = book." It would be interesting to hear if any of you have a book or two = that has done you "any good". =DC Two come to mind for me. The first one I read back in 1972: WILFORD WOODRUFF--History of His Life and Labors As Recorded = in His Daily Journals, by Matthias F. Cowley, The Deseret News, SLC, = First Edition, 1909, 702 pp. This one boosted my spiritual insight by several degrees. The other one was: THE SEER, by Orson Pratt, Liverpool England Edition, = 1853-1854, 320 pp. This book propelled me into the realm of deeper thought. Dennis "C" Davis =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0C219.91B1E660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I found this saying = in an old=20 3-ring binder of mine:
 
        = "One guy said=20 there were only two books that did him any good.  One was his = mother's=20 cookbook, and the other was his father's check book."
 
    It would be = interesting to hear=20 if any of you have a book or two that has done you "any = good".   =20 =DC
 
    Two come to mind for = me. =20 The first one I read back in 1972:
 
       =20     WILFORD WOODRUFF--History of His Life and Labors As = Recorded=20 in His Daily Journals, by Matthias F. Cowley, The Deseret News, SLC, = First=20 Edition, 1909, 702 pp.
 
    This one boosted my = spiritual=20 insight by several degrees.
 
    The other one = was:
 
       =20     THE SEER, by Orson Pratt, Liverpool England Edition,=20 1853-1854, 320 pp.
 
    This book propelled = me into the=20 realm of deeper thought.
 
    Dennis "C" = Davis
  
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0C219.91B1E660-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Only Two Books Date: 11 Apr 2001 00:07:32 -0600 --------------1C52283DD225A4176AE1910B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Two books that have influenced me more than I imagined when I started reading them: 1. In Sacred Loneliness - This book introduced me to the "New Mormon History" and taught me that my greatest passion in life (aside from my family) was Mormon history. 2. A Rational Theology - As "The Seer" influenced Dennis, this book influenced me much the same way. It taught me how to think on a different level and analyze things in a deeper way. I too would appreciate hearing from others what two books did them "some good". John > It would be interesting to hear if any of you have a book or two > that has done you "any good". Ü --------------1C52283DD225A4176AE1910B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Two books that have influenced me more than I imagined when I started reading them:

1.  In Sacred Loneliness - This book introduced me to the "New Mormon History" and taught me that my greatest passion in life (aside from my family) was Mormon history.

2.  A Rational Theology - As "The Seer" influenced Dennis, this book influenced me much the same way.  It taught me how to think on a different level and analyze things in a deeper way.

I too would appreciate hearing from others what two books did them "some good".

John
 

    It would be interesting to hear if any of you have a book or two that has done you "any good".    Ü
--------------1C52283DD225A4176AE1910B-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon Publishing Comes Into Its Own Date: 12 Apr 2001 16:04:32 -0600 Mormon Publishing Comes Into Its Own http://www.publishersweekly.com/articles/20010404_95095.asp - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Book database Date: 13 Apr 2001 12:21:12 -0700 Morgan, Do you have an update on your experience with Readerware? I'm still using Excel and my patience is wearing thin. >Morgan wrote: >I'm experimenting with an eval copy of Readerware (www.readerware.com), >but haven't tried out the Palm add-on yet. The nice thing about this >product is how easy it is to capture data for book that have ISBNs >(published since 1970). You enter the ISBN, then the program searches >Amazon, B&N.com, or the Library of Congress web sites for title, author, >publisher, pages, even a picture of the cover. It can read a list of ISBNs >from a file and import a ton of books automatically. It also supports bar >code readers, including the CueCat (which you can get free from Radio >Shack). There are versions of the program for Windows, Linux, and Solaris >($40), a Palm add-on (+$10), and Mac under development. There is also a >client-server version for $450 (bookstores or maybe small libraries). - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Book database Date: 13 Apr 2001 13:45:42 -0700 Has anyone tried HomeBase from ABE? I'm downloading it and will take a = look. Their new version, 2.1 has ISBN look up. The program is free for = home users, although it's a 7.52 mb download. Keith -- why don't you like the Excel program? What about Access with = their pre-defined template or using MS Works which also has a predefined = template for book collecting? --Steve -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Keith Irwin Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:21 PM Morgan, Do you have an update on your experience with Readerware? I'm still using Excel and my patience is wearing thin. >Morgan wrote: >I'm experimenting with an eval copy of Readerware (www.readerware.com), >but haven't tried out the Palm add-on yet. The nice thing about this >product is how easy it is to capture data for book that have ISBNs >(published since 1970). You enter the ISBN, then the program searches >Amazon, B&N.com, or the Library of Congress web sites for title, = author, >publisher, pages, even a picture of the cover. It can read a list of = ISBNs >from a file and import a ton of books automatically. It also supports = bar >code readers, including the CueCat (which you can get free from Radio >Shack). There are versions of the program for Windows, Linux, and = Solaris >($40), a Palm add-on (+$10), and Mac under development. There is also a >client-server version for $450 (bookstores or maybe small libraries). - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with -=A0=A0 "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message = body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"=20 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Readerware Date: 14 Apr 2001 14:00:09 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0C4EB.37ACBD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Morgan: I'm at Phil Bradford's home, and we are playing with ReaderWare and a = CueCat scanner. When we scan the barcode, all it seems to do is take us to the website = for the publisher. Is there a way for us to scan a barcode and have it = autocomplete the form? We are trying this out for 30 days. I love the capability of using it = with my Palm for a mobile catalogue. I played with the ABE software, and think it's great, if you are a = dealer. I"m sure it can be adopted for home use, but ReaderWare seems to = be just as good and if you use a Palm, superior. --Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0C4EB.37ACBD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Morgan:
 
I'm at Phil Bradford's home, and we are playing = with=20 ReaderWare and a CueCat scanner.
 
When we scan the barcode, all it seems to do is = take us to=20 the website for the publisher. Is there a way for us to scan a barcode = and have=20 it autocomplete the form?
 
We are trying this out for 30 days. I love the = capability=20 of using it with my Palm for a mobile catalogue.
 
I played with the ABE software, and think it's = great, if=20 you are a dealer. I"m sure it can be adopted for home use, but = ReaderWare seems=20 to be just as good and if you use a Palm, superior.
 
--Steve
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0C4EB.37ACBD00-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Max Adeler Book Report Date: 11 Apr 2001 11:15:32 -0500 A while back I queried the list about a Max Adeler title. My curiosity = was raised due to a few mentions of his name in connection with Ward and = Twain as an American humorist who dealt with Mormons. The two Adeler = titles that are most commonly referred to are "Bishop Potts" and "The = Tragedy of Thompson Dunbar; a Tale of Salt Lake." Here's what I found. = "Bishop Potts" is a short story within a story included in a book called = "Out of the Hurly Burly; or Life in an Odd Corner.1879(?)" The story has = polygamist Bishop Potts going off to San Francisco to buy Christmas = presents for his 15 children. When he returns he finds Brigham Young has = been told in a vision to seal the wives and children of a recently = deceased man to Potts in his absence. Finding he needs more Christmas = presents he heads back to San Francisco and the same thing happens again. = Potts asks that Young not sleep while he's gone because he can't afford = any more visions. Eventually Potts heads for San Francisco with no = intention of returning. The Tragedy of Thompson Dunbar is included in "Random Shots" another = collection from the late 1870's. Thompson Dunbar vies with a another suitor for the affections of an entire = boarding school. He spirits the girls away in the night to Ogden where = they are sealed to him. He is later shipwrecked for 15 years and his old = rival has his wives sealed to him. Then the mothers-in-law start moving = in.=20 Both stories are mildly amusing and fairly benign. The premise must have = been common enough for him to discuss them as his "Mormon stories." They = generally rely on wordplay between singular and plural for their humor. = "His wife sat in a circle around him." In both cases the illustrations = by A.B. Frost are more interesting than the writing. Both books seem to = be fairly common with a copy (old, but not a first) of Hurly Burly selling = recently on ebay for under $7.00 and what appears to be a first for about = $10. Is anyone collecting 19th century Mormon or Anti-Mormon fiction? = Anyone aware of studies other than "The Viper on the Hearth" that address = the treatment of Mormon themes in fiction of the time?=20 Mick =20 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Max Adeler Book Report Date: 15 Apr 2001 20:35:28 EDT In a message dated 04/14/2001 11:36:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes: << A while back I queried the list about a Max Adeler title. My curiosity was raised due to a few mentions of his name in connection with Ward and Twain as an American humorist who dealt with Mormons. The two Adeler titles that are most commonly referred to are "Bishop Potts" and "The Tragedy of Thompson Dunbar; a Tale of Salt Lake." Here's what I found. "Bishop Potts" is a short story within a story included in a book called "Out of the Hurly Burly; or Life in an Odd Corner.1879(?)" The story has polygamist Bishop Potts going off to San Francisco to buy Christmas presents for his 15 children. When he returns he finds Brigham Young has been told in a vision to seal the wives and children of a recently deceased man to Potts in his absence. Finding he needs more Christmas presents he heads back to San Francisco and the same thing happens again. Potts asks that Young not sleep while he's gone because he can't afford any more visions. Eventually Potts heads for San Francisco with no intention of returning. >> This rang a bell when I read the post, so I checked my old catalogs and yep! sure enough -found the following in Mormon List 57 (June, 1997), entry 10 . . . [CLARK, Charles Heber ("Max Adeler")] "BISHOP POTTS OF UTAH." Lengthy, humorous Mormon fiction, in THE NEW-HAMPSHIRE GAZETTE (Portsmouth) for Saturday, January 11, 1873 [CXVII:13]. Folio, [8] pp. Moderate wear. $100 This substantial story fills nearly two columns of the second page (35 inches of text). It is attributed to "Max Adeler," but appears here AT LEAST A YEAR BEFORE IT CAME OUT IN BOOK FORM -see Flake 2383a (Out of the Hurly-Burly . . . 1874). This is a fun story about a hopelessly over-married Mormon to whom is assigned a seemingly endless succession of widows and their countless children. Each time Bishop Potts returns to Utah, he discovers his family further enlarged . . . "What!" exclaimed the Bishop, "you don't mean to say that-" "Yes, love. Our husband, William Brown, died on Monday, and Thursday Brigham had a vision in which he was directed to seal us to you; and so he performed the ceremony at once by proxy." "Th-th-th-th-under!" observed the bishop, in a general sort of way. "And, darling, we are all living with you-we and the dear children." "Children! children!" exclaimed Bishop Potts, turning pale, "you don't mean to say that there is a pack of children, too?" "Yes, love, but only one hundred and twenty-five, not counting the eight twins and the triplet." - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kendall Gubler Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re:Breakfast invitation Date: 16 Apr 2001 23:04:15 -0600 I tossed this invitation out a couple of months ago, and had a few takers. Any shelfers attending MHA in Cedar in May. I would like to invite you and your partner to breakfast on Saturday Morning of the conference. Please email me off-line. all the best Kendall - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re:Breakfast invitation Date: 16 Apr 2001 23:08:58 -0600 Don't miss the opportunity to taste the cinnamon rolls. Hugh and I can't make it this year but if the rolls are as good as Kendall's caramel corn, its worth the drive to Cedar City. Sandi - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Readerware Date: 17 Apr 2001 00:15:55 -0600 >>> pbradford@earthlink.net 04/14/01 03:00PM >>> > >When we scan the barcode, all it seems to do is take us to the website=20 >for the publisher. Is there a way for us to scan a barcode and have it=20 >autocomplete the form? Here's the procedure that works for me, YMMV: 1. From the Web pull-down menu, select "ISBN/Bar Code Search and Import" A browser window open. 2. From the URL pull-down menu, select the web site you want to search for = book data=20 (Amazon, B&N, etc). 2. Scan a book barcode with the CueCat scanner. The browser goes to the = page for=20 the scanned book, if it exists, and a database entry page opens with = extracted data=20 for the scanned book. Edit the extracted data as desired, then click the = Add button=20 to add the new entry to your database. I finally decided to pay the registration fee for Readerware, but I'm not = totally committed=20 to it. I like being able to scan barcodes and autocomplete forms, but I = don't like the data=20 entry view. Readerware was written in Java, so it has a non-standard = (i.e., non-Windows)=20 look and doesn't follow all of the Windows program conventions. Being able = to export my=20 database and want list to my Palm will be great.=20 I'm not sure what to do about reporting, though. I designed about a dozen = report formats=20 for my Access database for want lists (by author, priority, publisher); = for insurance; for=20 book series, showing which books in each series that I own and which I'm = still looking for,=20 etc. I'll experiment with designing HTML reports, but I may end up = exporting the Readerware=20 database to a CSV fie, reading it into Access, then using Access to = generate reports. MBA - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis Nelson" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Readerware Date: 17 Jan 2001 09:25:51 -0800 Is there any rhyme or reason as to why a few entries provide pictures of the cover while most, even recent titles, do not? So far, FARMS and Signature titles seem the most likely to pull up a cover picture. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Morgan Adair Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:16 PM >>> pbradford@earthlink.net 04/14/01 03:00PM >>> > >When we scan the barcode, all it seems to do is take us to the website >for the publisher. Is there a way for us to scan a barcode and have it >autocomplete the form? Here's the procedure that works for me, YMMV: 1. From the Web pull-down menu, select "ISBN/Bar Code Search and Import" A browser window open. 2. From the URL pull-down menu, select the web site you want to search for book data (Amazon, B&N, etc). 2. Scan a book barcode with the CueCat scanner. The browser goes to the page for the scanned book, if it exists, and a database entry page opens with extracted data for the scanned book. Edit the extracted data as desired, then click the Add button to add the new entry to your database. I finally decided to pay the registration fee for Readerware, but I'm not totally committed to it. I like being able to scan barcodes and autocomplete forms, but I don't like the data entry view. Readerware was written in Java, so it has a non-standard (i.e., non-Windows) look and doesn't follow all of the Windows program conventions. Being able to export my database and want list to my Palm will be great. I'm not sure what to do about reporting, though. I designed about a dozen report formats for my Access database for want lists (by author, priority, publisher); for insurance; for book series, showing which books in each series that I own and which I'm still looking for, etc. I'll experiment with designing HTML reports, but I may end up exporting the Readerware database to a CSV fie, reading it into Access, then using Access to generate reports. MBA - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re:Breakfast invitation Date: 17 Apr 2001 08:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Kendall, I would like to come. Could I bring my father also? Mark Edlund On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Kendall Gubler wrote: > > I tossed this invitation out a couple of months ago, and had a few > takers. Any shelfers attending MHA in Cedar in May. I would like to > invite you and your partner to breakfast on Saturday Morning of the > conference. Please email me off-line. > all the best > Kendall > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re:Breakfast invitation Date: 17 Apr 2001 08:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Sorry about the previous post, which should have been only to Kendall. My enthusiasm, fueled by Sandi's glowing recommendation of Kendall's culinary ability, made me act too hastily. Mark Edlund On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Kendall Gubler wrote: > > I tossed this invitation out a couple of months ago, and had a few > takers. Any shelfers attending MHA in Cedar in May. I would like to > invite you and your partner to breakfast on Saturday Morning of the > conference. Please email me off-line. > all the best > Kendall > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Book database Date: 17 Apr 2001 17:11:31 -0700 Keith I have down loaded Readerware and have played with it for two days. For what it's worth I'll give you my experiences. As Morgan mentioned using the CueCat works slick. It does down load the information quickly using a DSL connection. Once downloaded the information still needs to be edited. After several books were added I was unable to use my logitech mouse to scroll which I found irritating. (That may be because it was written in Java like Morgan mentioned.) ReaderWare uses several pre-established fields, and you can customize several other fields to suit your individual needs. However, once customized they drop down from an arrow rather than appearing on the form (a slight annoyance). Like Excel you can sort, rearrange, and hide individual columns for reports. I thought this to be really easy to use for making reports. There is a section called "Report Writer" which uses HTML language to create a custom report. I suspect that if you don't know some elementary HTML formats, you would not be able to use this feature easily. At forty dollars for the basic program I think it is reasonable. The really selling point is you can down load the data base to a Palm Pilot which I do not use. I have my modest library on Microsoft Office Access 2000. There is a book library template already configured where the user can simply name it and input his book information. I find this works easily, creates the necessary reports, and can be modified to suit one's preferences. After using Readerware, I don't see any compelling reason to migrate from Access. If I was starting fresh with no data base already established, I probably would use it. Hope this helps. Phil > Morgan, > > Do you have an update on your experience with Readerware? > > I'm still using Excel and my patience is wearing thin. > > > >Morgan wrote: > >I'm experimenting with an eval copy of Readerware (www.readerware.com), > >but haven't tried out the Palm add-on yet. The nice thing about this > >product is how easy it is to capture data for book that have ISBNs > >(published since 1970). You enter the ISBN, then the program searches > >Amazon, B&N.com, or the Library of Congress web sites for title, author, > >publisher, pages, even a picture of the cover. It can read a list of ISBNs > >from a file and import a ton of books automatically. It also supports bar > >code readers, including the CueCat (which you can get free from Radio > >Shack). There are versions of the program for Windows, Linux, and Solaris > >($40), a Palm add-on (+$10), and Mac under development. There is also a > >client-server version for $450 (bookstores or maybe small libraries). > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Book database Date: 17 Apr 2001 20:20:13 -0700 Thanks to all. Since I already have Access, I may try importing into it and see how it works. I'm not at all adept with html and the little glitches y'all described would likely frustrate me. Keith At 05:11 PM 4/17/01 -0700, Phil wrote: >Keith > >I have down loaded Readerware and have played with it for two days. For >what it's worth I'll give you my experiences. As Morgan mentioned using the >CueCat works slick. It does down load the information quickly using a DSL >connection. Once downloaded the information still needs to be edited. >After several books were added I was unable to use my logitech mouse to >scroll which I found irritating. (That may be because it was written in >Java like Morgan mentioned.) ReaderWare uses several pre-established >fields, and you can customize several other fields to suit your individual >needs. However, once customized they drop down from an arrow rather than >appearing on the form (a slight annoyance). Like Excel you can sort, >rearrange, and hide individual columns for reports. I thought this to be >really easy to use for making reports. > >There is a section called "Report Writer" which uses HTML language to create >a custom report. I suspect that if you don't know some elementary HTML >formats, you would not be able to use this feature easily. > >At forty dollars for the basic program I think it is reasonable. The really >selling point is you can down load the data base to a Palm Pilot which I do >not use. > >I have my modest library on Microsoft Office Access 2000. There is a book >library template already configured where the user can simply name it and >input his book information. I find this works easily, creates the necessary >reports, and can be modified to suit one's preferences. After using >Readerware, I don't see any compelling reason to migrate from Access. If I >was starting fresh with no data base already established, I probably would >use it. > >Hope this helps. > >Phil > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kendall Gubler Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re:Breakfast invitation Date: 18 Apr 2001 00:00:47 -0600 Please do, and my wife is the chef not me, I'll post directions as we get closer to the date. Kendall "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" wrote: > Kendall, > I would like to come. Could I bring my father also? > > Mark Edlund > > On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Kendall Gubler wrote: > > > > > I tossed this invitation out a couple of months ago, and had a few > > takers. Any shelfers attending MHA in Cedar in May. I would like to > > invite you and your partner to breakfast on Saturday Morning of the > > conference. Please email me off-line. > > all the best > > Kendall > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re:Breakfast invitation Date: 18 Apr 2001 09:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Sounds good. I am looking forward to it. Mark On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Kendall Gubler wrote: > Please do, and my wife is the chef not me, I'll post directions as we get > closer to the date. > Kendall > > "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" wrote: > > > Kendall, > > I would like to come. Could I bring my father also? > > > > Mark Edlund > > > > On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Kendall Gubler wrote: > > > > > > > > I tossed this invitation out a couple of months ago, and had a few > > > takers. Any shelfers attending MHA in Cedar in May. I would like to > > > invite you and your partner to breakfast on Saturday Morning of the > > > conference. Please email me off-line. > > > all the best > > > Kendall > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] eBay listings Date: 19 Apr 2001 18:02:36 -0600 My uncle passed away recently. I've just listed a number of sets from his collection on eBay - some nice stuff, including a blue leather Journal of Discourses and a Wilford Woodruff Journals set. http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=dkenison Two things about this process made me kind of sad. First, to see that none of his children were interested in the books, and his widow just wants the money. I wonder if it will be like that when I move on. Second, most of these books are completely unused. Of course, that's nice when the books are passed on, but I think I'd much rather have my descendants comment, "Boy, look how well-read these books are!" David Kenison, Orem - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Coolbrith work Date: 20 Apr 2001 11:24:04 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0C98C.6A32EA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keith: =20 I know you have at least one book by Ina Coolbrith. =20 Randall House has the following item to add to your collection: =20 RHODEHAMEL, Josephine DeWitt. Ina Coolbrith. Librarian an...=20 Octavo lavender boards lettered in white pictorial dust jacket Fine = Illustrated First edition 8047 $35.00 Price: USD 19,651,982.00 other currencies offered by: Randall House =20 =20 Will they dicker on price? This is out of my league. =20 --Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0C98C.6A32EA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Keith:

 

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I know you have at least one book by Ina Coolbrith.

 

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Randall = House has the following = item to add to your collection:

 

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RHODEHAMEL, = Josephine = DeWitt. = Ina = Coolbrith. Librarian an...
Octavo lavender boards lettered in white pictorial dust = jacket Fine Illustrated First edition 8047 $35.00
Price: USD = 19,651,982.00 other currencies
offered by: Randall House

 

 

Will they dicker on price? This is out = of my league.

 

--Steve

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0C98C.6A32EA60-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Coolbrith work Date: 20 Apr 2001 20:40:52 -0400 (EDT) It must be the lavender print. I don't know another book besides this biography that was printed in purple. I've not made much ado about it but I've been accumulating Coolbriths books (there are not very many) and also association copies. If you recall from her biography, her home burned to the ground along with all of her books. Her friends donated many books to help rebuild her library, though late in her life. She made notes in each about who gave them to her, when, etc. I ran into a couple of these a while back and decided to see if I could find more. Her cousin, J. Winter Smith, was the oldest member (in his 80s) of my student ward at San Jose State when I was an undergrad. "Uncle J" often told stories about Ina Coolbrith's life. I wish that I had the interest in her then that I have now. I don't remember much of the stories but they certainly were a cause for me to collect her books. Keith ------Original Message------ Sent: April 20, 2001 6:24:04 PM GMT Keith: I know you have at least one book by Ina Coolbrith. Randall House has the following item to add to your collection: RHODEHAMEL, Josephine DeWitt. Ina Coolbrith. Librarian an... Octavo lavender boards lettered in white pictorial dust jacket Fine Illustrated First edition 8047 $35.00 Price: USD 19,651,982.00 other currencies offered by: Randall House Will they dicker on price? This is out of my league. --Steve - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOOKSTRR@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Keith Marston Date: 20 Apr 2001 20:43:38 EDT --part1_aa.14497ba1.281231ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some time ago there was a discussion about "The Missionaries' Pal" a book written by Keith Marston, published by Zola Marston Willard in 1959, after the death of Keith Marston. This was later published as "Missionary Pal." There was some comment to the fact that there were some changes in the later editions. Does anyone have any information about it? I recently read "The Book On the Bookshelf" by Henry Petroski. This being the history of bookshelves and was very interesting. Hugh also recommended "The Pencil," also by Petroski. I really enjoyed this, though after 434 pages I knew a little more about the pencil than I wanted to know. He is a good writer, with a good sense of humor and they are good reads. Russ --part1_aa.14497ba1.281231ba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Some time ago there was a discussion about "The Missionaries' Pal" a book
written by Keith Marston, published by Zola Marston Willard in 1959, after
the death of Keith Marston.  This was later published as "Missionary Pal."  
There was some comment to the fact that there were some changes in the later
editions.  Does anyone have any information about it?

    I recently read "The Book On the Bookshelf" by Henry Petroski.  This
being the history of bookshelves and was very interesting.  Hugh also
recommended "The Pencil," also by Petroski.  I really enjoyed this, though
after 434 pages I knew a little more about the pencil than I wanted to know.  
He is a good writer, with a good sense of humor and they are good reads.

Russ --part1_aa.14497ba1.281231ba_boundary-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] D.A. Callahan Date: 21 Apr 2001 20:13:10 -0700 Has anyone ever seen this? Flake lists several editions. Callahan, D. A. A Catalogue of Books, chiefly on Mormonism. Salt Lake City [1899?]. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marshall Hamilton Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Sam Taylor Date: 22 Apr 2001 18:39:04 -0400 Anybody collecting the works of the late, lamented Samuel W. Taylor? I came across a British edition of his mid-60s novel The ManWith My Face. It's a mass market paperback, in good condition. It's a thriller about a man living in Redwood City who comes home from work to find another man living in his house, having dinner with his wife. There's no LDS content. I'd be happy to sell it or trade for something I want more. If you're interested, please contact me privately. Thanks. -- Marshall Hamilton marshall@fred.net Frederick, Maryland - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] D.A. Callahan Date: 23 Apr 2001 17:09:41 -0600 Keith Irwin wrote: > Has anyone ever seen this? Flake lists several editions. > > Callahan, D. A. A Catalogue of Books, chiefly on Mormonism. Salt Lake City > [1899?]. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" I have previously sold this catalog and one other by Callahan from the early 1900's. I have also had any number of books with his stickers in them, both on his own, and as a manager for an older Salt Lake City bookseller. He seems to have been most active from the 1870's to early 1900's. A Polk Directory search would probably narrow it down. -- Ken Sanders, ABAA Ken Sanders Rare Books 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.ksb.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kendall Gubler Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: second anointing Date: 24 Apr 2001 23:18:47 -0600 Does someone have at their fingertips a reference(book or article) to second anointings and calling and election made sure? Any help would be appreciated. thanks Kendall - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJRom@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: second anointing Date: 25 Apr 2001 04:39:29 EDT --part1_d.139aa2f2.2817e741_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kendall, David Buerger provides some of the most thorough published historical research on the topic in his book: _The Mysteries of Godliness: A History of Mormon Temple Worship_ (San Francisco: Smith Research Associates, 1994). One of his articles that preceded the book dealt specifically with the topic: Buerger, " 'The Fullness of the Priesthood': The Second Anointing in Latter-day Saint Theology and Practice," DIALOGUE 16 (Spring 1983): 10-44. Signature Books' New Mormon Studies CD includes several sections of raw research entitled "Research Notes" that excerpt LDS diaries and other primary source documents. One section titled "Research Notes on LDS Higher Ordinances: Calling and Election" includes around 200 entries. Several other sections of Research Notes on the temple also include references. Hope this helps, Brian In a message dated 4/24/2001 11:24:58 PM Mountain Daylight Time, kgubler@netutah.com writes: Does someone have at their fingertips a reference(book or article) to second > anointings and calling and election made sure? Any help would be appreciated. > thanks > Kendall > > > --part1_d.139aa2f2.2817e741_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kendall,

David Buerger provides some of the most thorough published historical
research on the topic in his book: _The Mysteries of Godliness: A History of
Mormon Temple Worship_ (San Francisco: Smith Research Associates, 1994).  One
of his articles that preceded the book dealt specifically with the topic:
Buerger, " 'The Fullness of the Priesthood': The Second Anointing in
Latter-day Saint Theology and Practice," DIALOGUE 16 (Spring 1983): 10-44.
Signature Books' New Mormon Studies CD includes several sections of raw
research entitled "Research Notes" that excerpt LDS diaries and other primary
source documents. One section titled "Research Notes on LDS Higher
Ordinances: Calling and Election" includes around 200 entries. Several other
sections of Research Notes on the temple also include references.

Hope this helps,

Brian

In a message dated 4/24/2001 11:24:58 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
kgubler@netutah.com writes:


Does someone have at their fingertips a reference(book or article) to second

anointings and calling and election made sure? Any help would be appreciated.
thanks
Kendall




--part1_d.139aa2f2.2817e741_boundary-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Recent Forbes article Date: 26 Apr 2001 05:15:24 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0CE0F.E5D13BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Forbes magazine had an interesting and enjoyable article on conservation = of books. I was enable to find the article on line so I quote in part: "Favorite books, like friendships, must be kept in good repair. Betsy = Palmer Eldridge, president of the Guild of Book Workers, notes that it's = typical to invest 10% of a rare book's value in its conservation. The = Estelle Ellis' Booklover's Repair Kit (Alfred A Knopf, $125) is one = place to start. This kit provides step-by-step instructions along with = a few of the materials one needs to repair battered, torn and smudged = books at home. Flattening wrinkles, repairing spines and reinforcing = loose covers become enjoyable tasks as you familiarize yourself with = tools such as bone folders, bamboo brushes and bull dog clamps. Soon you will begin to notice all kinds of imperfections in your = library-and those of your friends. Simple preventative measures can = greatly extend a book's life: Never angle a book on a shelf, for = example, warns Eldridge, as the stress may deform the spine and joints. = Bookbinders can also make inexpensive slipcases and protective clamshell = boxes. Acid free storage boxes and polyester book covers are easily = obtainable." The following web site was recommended: http://aic.stanford.edu/ As you browse the web site, you will find a link to book conservation. Phil ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0CE0F.E5D13BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Forbes magazine had an interesting and enjoyable = article=20 on conservation of books.   I was enable to find the article on = line so I=20 quote in part:
 
"Favorite books, like friendships, must be = kept in=20 good repair.  Betsy Palmer Eldridge, president of the Guild of Book = Workers, notes that it's typical to invest 10% of a rare book's value in = its=20 conservation.  The Estelle Ellis' Booklover's Repair Kit (Alfred A = Knopf,=20 $125) is one place to start.  This kit provides step-by-step = instructions=20 along with a few of the materials one needs to repair battered, torn and = smudged=20 books at home.  Flattening wrinkles, repairing spines and = reinforcing loose=20 covers become enjoyable tasks as you familiarize yourself with tools = such as=20 bone folders, bamboo brushes and bull dog clamps.
 
Soon you will begin to notice all kinds of=20 imperfections in your library-and those of your friends.  Simple=20 preventative measures can greatly extend a book's life: Never angle a = book on a=20 shelf, for example, warns Eldridge, as the stress may deform the spine = and=20 joints.  Bookbinders can also make inexpensive slipcases and = protective=20 clamshell boxes.  Acid free storage boxes and polyester book covers = are=20 easily obtainable."
 
The following web site was = recommended:
 
http://aic.stanford.edu/
 
As you browse the web site, you will find a link = to book=20 conservation.
 
Phil
 
 
 
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If you don't want to buy the whole thing, try this website where they sell individual pieces to help with conservation:  http://www.ArchivalSuppliers.com/shop/

John

Phil wrote:

Forbes magazine had an interesting and enjoyable article on conservation of books.   I was enable to find the article on line so I quote in part: "Favorite books, like friendships, must be kept in good repair.  Betsy Palmer Eldridge, president of the Guild of Book Workers, notes that it's typical to invest 10% of a rare book's value in its conservation.  The Estelle Ellis' Booklover's Repair Kit (Alfred A Knopf, $125) is one place to start.  This kit provides step-by-step instructions along with a few of the materials one needs to repair battered, torn and smudged books at home.  Flattening wrinkles, repairing spines and reinforcing loose covers become enjoyable tasks as you familiarize yourself with tools such as bone folders, bamboo brushes and bull dog clamps. Soon you will begin to notice all kinds of imperfections in your library-and those of your friends.  Simple preventative measures can greatly extend a book's life: Never angle a book on a shelf, for example, warns Eldridge, as the stress may deform the spine and joints.  Bookbinders can also make inexpensive slipcases and protective clamshell boxes.  Acid free storage boxes and polyester book covers are easily obtainable." The following web site was recommended: http://aic.stanford.edu/ As you browse the web site, you will find a link to book conservation. Phil   
--------------5418FDB352574295767B1A2E-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Writings of JS Date: 26 Apr 2001 13:36:27 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0CE55.E590FBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had an interesting talk today with Grant Underwood at the JFS = Institute at BYU. =20 He is editing one of the vols. of the Writings of JS, and said that the = long awaited Vol. 3 has been cleared by Church Correllation & is now = finally ready to go to print. =20 He said the obstacles that needed to be overcome were remedied a long = time ago, but the wheels move slowly at that level and this wasn't a = priority. =20 Of greater interest is that they have a board of editors now, with Dean = Jesse in charge. They plan a total of 6 vols. (1&2 are already out). = They expect some interesting things to come out from this series. =20 He did say that the obstacle was not the incident of Joseph slapping = Emma as I've heard passed around. =20 Grant is chairing a panel discussion at the Organization of American = Historians annual meeting this weekend . Jan Shipps is one on the panel, = with Ron Walker & Martha Sontag-Bradley (is that right?). Jan is = speaking at the Miller-Eccles Study Group on Sat., and I have a few = extra copies of her new book. If anyone wants one & I have surplus at = the end of the meeting, I can get you an autographed copy at a fair = price. =20 --Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0CE55.E590FBC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I had an interesting talk today with = Grant= Underwood at the JFS Institute = at BYU.

 

=

He is editing one of the vols. of the  Writings of JS, and said = that the long awaited Vol. 3 has been cleared by Church Correllation & is = now finally ready to go to print.

 

=

He said the obstacles that needed to be overcome were remedied a long time = ago, but the wheels move slowly at that level and this wasn’t a = priority.

 

=

Of greater interest is that they have a board of editors now, with = Dean<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> = Jesse in charge. They = plan a total of 6 vols. (1&2 are already out). They expect some = interesting things to come out from this series.

 

=

He did say that the obstacle was not the incident of = Joseph slapping = Emma<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> as I’ve = heard passed around.

 

=

Grant is chairing a = panel discussion at the Organization of American Historians annual = meeting this weekend … = Jan = Shipps is one on the = panel, with Ron = Walker & = Martha = Sontag-Bradley (is = that right?). Jan is = speaking at the Miller-Eccles Study Group on Sat., and = I have a few extra copies of her new book. If anyone wants = one & I have surplus at the end of the meeting, I = can get you an autographed copy at a fair = price.

 

--Steve=

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E-Bay has some interesting investors forums, and = there is a very interesting discussion on e-bays bidding system and how it permits = fraud.

 =

I know we’ve hashed this over, but this is really interesting stuff, = to me.

 =

--Steve

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Keith At 01:35 PM 4/28/01 -0700, you wrote: >E-Bay has some interesting investors forums, and there is a very >interesting discussion on e-bays bidding system and how it permits fraud. > > > >I know we ve hashed this over, but this is really interesting stuff, to me. > > > >--Steve - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: RE[LDS-Bookshelf] EBAY REVISITED Date: 28 Apr 2001 22:02:17 -0700 The forum is on www.motleyfool.com under the Discussion or Forum tab. It = is an investing forum, but I think 50% or more of the messages deal with = the fraud that is taking place. I think if the music producers can sue the ISP's for allowing downloads = of MP3 files that victims of the misrepresentation or out and out = deception on e-bay could sue E-bay.=20 Now, tomorrow I'll tell you about a book I just got through e-bay (or = will when I pay for it). --Steve -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Keith Irwin Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 6:00 PM I didn't know there were forums on ebay.=A0 Where? Word on the street is that a midwestern Mormon book dealer has been = booted off Ebay for the second time.=A0 One has to wonder why he was allowed = back on.=A0 Confetti was booted for bidding up his own listings.=A0 He's back = on as well. Speaking of sculduggery, I understand that a number of books are showing = up on the Mormon market with facsimile pages throughout but not identified = as such. Keith At 01:35 PM 4/28/01 -0700, you wrote: >E-Bay has some interesting investors forums, and there is a very >interesting discussion on e-bays bidding system and how it permits = fraud. > > > >I know we ve hashed this over, but this is really interesting stuff, to = me. > > > >--Steve - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with -=A0=A0 "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message = body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"=20 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] E-BAY BOOK Date: 29 Apr 2001 13:10:07 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0D0AD.B6E5B180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought the following book through e-bay: =A0 AUTHOR: John Corson Smith=20 TITLE: HISTORY OF FREEMASONRY IN ILLINOIS=20 PUBLISHER: Rogers & Smith, 1905 printing, 165 page hardcover, = illustrated with photos=20 CONDITION: FAIR, no dust jacket=20 =A0 =A0 I don=92t have an overwhelming interest in Masonry, but I put the first = bid of $7.50 for it, and won it for $17.51. =A0 I checked on ABE, and here is the other copy I found: =A0 =A01.=A0 Smith, General John Corson History of Freemasonry in Illinois; 1804-1829 Chicago: Rogers & Smith, 1905 Hard Cover. Very Good/No Jacket. 8vo - = over 7=BE" - 9=BE" tall. blue cloth, gilt titles. light wear to = head/foot bands, edges, corners. bookplate inside cover. 165pp. = Bookseller Inventory # 5.049 Price: US$=A0110.00 convert currency Presented by Milliway's Books, Olympia, WA, U.S.A. order options =09 =09 =A0 =A0 Now I=92m anxious to get it to see what, if any, Mormon content it has. = I was so anxious for this book, I even paid extra for Priority Mail! =A0 --Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0D0AD.B6E5B180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I bought the following book through e-bay:

 

=

AUTHOR: John = Corson Smith

TITLE: HISTORY OF FREEMASONRY IN ILLINOIS =

PUBLISHER: Rogers & Smith, 1905 printing, 165 page hardcover, illustrated with photos

CONDITION: FAIR, no dust jacket

 

=

 

=

I don’t have an overwhelming interest in Masonry, but I put the first bid of = $7.50 for it, and won it for $17.51.

 

=

I checked on ABE, and here is the other copy I = found:

 

=

 1. 

Smith, General = John Corson Histor= y of Freemasonry in Illinois; 1804-1829
Chicago: Rogers & Smith, 1905 Hard Cover. = Very Good/No Jacket. 8vo - over 7=BE" - 9=BE" tall. blue cloth, gilt titles. light wear to head/foot bands, edges, corners. bookplate inside cover. 165pp. Bookseller Inventory # 5.049
Price: US$ 110.00 co= nvert currency
Presented by Milliway's Books, = Olympia, WA, U.S.A.
order options

 

=

 

=

Now I’m anxious to get it to see what, if any, Mormon content = it has. I was so anxious for this book, I = even paid extra for Priority Mail!

 

=

--Steve=

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Keith & Steve,

Thanks for bring this up. I too have wondered the same thing. I realize from a religious point of view that we believe people can change and repent. Then from my humanist or business POV I believe that it is very difficult to teach a old dog new tricks.

With this said, I still basically trust people, but I have created a much longer list in my head of those who I will not do business with than I would have ever imagined.

Joe

>Word on the street is that a midwestern Mormon book dealer has been
>booted
>off Ebay for the second time. One has to wonder why he was allowed
>back
>on. Confetti was booted for bidding up his own listings. He's back
>on as
>well.
>
>Speaking of sculduggery, I understand that a number of books are
>showing up
>on the Mormon market with facsimile pages throughout but not
>identified as
>such.
>
>Keith
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- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Interesting thoughts Date: 29 Apr 2001 13:51:21 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0D0B3.7917CC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was browsing some foreign book stores websites, and ran across this = site with a very interesting list of items about book collection. It's = worth reading. =20 http://www.simonfinch.com/ =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0D0B3.7917CC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0D0B3.7917CC20-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] In Jeopardy Date: 30 Apr 2001 22:26:20 EDT On Jeopardy this evening, they had a teen competition. Final Jeopardy Answer: "In 1859, this man told Horace Greeley, 'I have fifteen wives. I do not know anyone who has more." The girl with the lowest score guessed Henry VIII. She honestly did. The boy with the middle score guessed Abraham Lincoln. He honestly did. The girl with the highest score guessed some name I have never heard, and which is not in my biographical dictionary. She won, because she risked very little. So the Church can relax: the upcoming generation does NOT think Mormons are not Christian. They don't think about Mormons at all. I talked with a college student from Cornell recently. When the topic of Mormonism came up, he merely said he thought they were kinda weird. End of topic. Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Sanders Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] EBAY REVISITED/Mormon Fraud Date: 30 Apr 2001 20:52:11 -0600 The old adage on bookselling (and buying) is know your bookdealer or know your book (s). Given the advent of the internet, and in particular, ebay, this missive bears repeating. It pays to either know what you're doing, or deal with someone that does. Reputable dealers stand behind the products they sell. Period. If something isn't right, whether discovered upon receipt, or five years later, the problem is rectified. Period. The internet has produced an environment in which there is no easier time to find a desired book more quickly than now. Simultaneously, although there is nothing new under the sun, it has also fostered an environment in which enables one to rip someone else off, whether buying or selling on the net, with a rapidity which has never before existed. It has provided global access to the grifters, conmen, bunko artists and others out there...the best of times and the worst of times. As i have told some of you in person, "ebay is a mighty confluence where ignorance meets greed". Both on the part of buyer and seller. Curiously, a real hot topic of fraud on ebay has been on Mormon items. As a bona fide non-Mormon (with impeccable Mormon pedigree; great grandpa translated the Book of Mormon into Maori, for example) I can't help but wonder why so many of the Mormon brethren are victims of fraud on ebay. Yes, I acknowledge the tendency of faithful LDS to trust to their own kind, but given the results evidenced on ebay (not to mention the penny stock frauds in Utah during the 1950's, and a number of other examples I could site) is this wise?? I'm not trying to bait anyone here, I honestly want to know. Why do Mormons prey on their own kind and fleece them so? Ken Sanders non-Mormon non-gentile descended from Heber C. Kimball's favorite polygamist wife , and one of the first three Mormon women in the valley of the great salt lake, Ellen Sanders Kimball; and her brother, Sondra Sanders, who translated the Book of Mormon into Maori. Steve Eccles wrote: > The forum is on www.motleyfool.com under the Discussion or Forum tab. It is an investing forum, but I think 50% or more of the messages deal with the fraud that is taking place. > > I think if the music producers can sue the ISP's for allowing downloads of MP3 files that victims of the misrepresentation or out and out deception on e-bay could sue E-bay. > > Now, tomorrow I'll tell you about a book I just got through e-bay (or will when I pay for it). > > --Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Keith Irwin > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 6:00 PM > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: RE[LDS-Bookshelf] EBAY REVISITED > > I didn't know there were forums on ebay. Where? > > Word on the street is that a midwestern Mormon book dealer has been booted > off Ebay for the second time. One has to wonder why he was allowed back > on. Confetti was booted for bidding up his own listings. He's back on as > well. > > Speaking of sculduggery, I understand that a number of books are showing up > on the Mormon market with facsimile pages throughout but not identified as > such. > > Keith > > At 01:35 PM 4/28/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >E-Bay has some interesting investors forums, and there is a very > >interesting discussion on e-bays bidding system and how it permits fraud. > > > > > > > >I know we ve hashed this over, but this is really interesting stuff, to me. > > > > > > > >--Steve > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.ksb.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] In Jeopardy Date: 30 Apr 2001 19:48:04 -0700 I guess my fears of the Church trying to become mainstream are = unfounded. --Steve -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = RickBook@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:26 PM On Jeopardy this evening, they had a teen competition.=A0 Final Jeopardy = Answer: "In 1859, this man told Horace Greeley, 'I have fifteen wives.=A0 I do = not know anyone who has more." The girl with the lowest score guessed Henry VIII.=A0 She honestly did. The boy with the middle score guessed Abraham Lincoln.=A0 He honestly = did. The girl with the highest score guessed some name I have never heard, = and which is not in my biographical dictionary.=A0 She won, because she = risked very little. So the Church can relax:=A0 the upcoming generation does NOT think = Mormons are not Christian.=A0 They don't think about Mormons at all.=A0 I talked = with a college student from Cornell recently.=A0 When the topic of Mormonism = came up, he merely said he thought they were kinda weird.=A0 End of topic. Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with -=A0=A0 "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message = body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"=20 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] In Jeopardy Date: 30 Apr 2001 20:48:40 -0700 One of my good LDS cyberfriends, Robert Slaven, was a five time Jeopardy champion. Lost the tournament of champions to the ultimate winner. Bob had no less than THREE Mormon questions during his five days. I first thought this was an anomaly but have since noticed that Mormonism seems a fairly frequent topic on this show. Keith At 10:26 PM 4/30/01 -0400, Rickbook wrote: >On Jeopardy this evening, they had a teen competition. Final Jeopardy Answer: > >"In 1859, this man told Horace Greeley, 'I have fifteen wives. I do not know >anyone who has more." > >The girl with the lowest score guessed Henry VIII. She honestly did. > >The boy with the middle score guessed Abraham Lincoln. He honestly did. > >The girl with the highest score guessed some name I have never heard, and >which is not in my biographical dictionary. She won, because she risked very >little. > >So the Church can relax: the upcoming generation does NOT think Mormons are >not Christian. They don't think about Mormons at all. I talked with a >college student from Cornell recently. When the topic of Mormonism came up, >he merely said he thought they were kinda weird. End of topic. > >Rick Grunder > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"