From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Preservation: _DOUBLE FOLD: LIBRARIES AND THE ASSAULT ON Date: 01 May 2001 22:19:05 -0600 Articles from Sunday DesNews on DOUBLE FOLD: LIBRARIES AND THE ASSAULT ON = PAPER; by Nicholson Baker; Random House, 370 pages; $25.95: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,270015481,00.html?textfield=3DBaker http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,270015508,00.html? Baker says that libraries aren't doing an adequate job of preserving books = and periodicals. An interview with Baker (RealAudio format): http://www.wamu.org/ram/2001/r2010501.ram=20 MBA - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] 3rd vol. of Papers Date: 02 May 2001 10:24:48 -0400 I have heard that the 3rd Jesse vol. of JS papers has cleared the committees and will be released. I have also heard there are to be 6 vols. Can anyone confirm this? --Doug - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] 3rd vol. of Papers Date: 02 May 2001 07:41:18 -0700 I just posted on this last week. I spoke with Grant Underwood who will = be editing one of the volumes. Dean Jesse is still over the project, but = others have been assigned to help him. Grant is in the J.F.Smith Institute now at BYU. I'm hoping to find out what the hang-up was on volume 3 at MHA. Grant indicated "At that level (meaning Correlation or "the Bretheren") = things move slowly and this book wasn't a priority with them." --Steve -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:25 AM I have heard that the 3rd Jesse vol. of JS papers has cleared the = committees and will be released. I have also heard there are to be 6 vols. Can = anyone confirm this? --Doug - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with -=A0=A0 "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message = body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] 3rd vol. of Papers Date: 02 May 2001 10:49:40 -0400 Sorry Steve, I recently returned from Mexico and must have missed your post. Thanks for the info. --Doug > -----Original Message----- > > I just posted on this last week. I spoke with Grant Underwood who will be > editing one of the volumes. Dean Jesse is still over the project, but > others have been assigned to help him. > > Grant is in the J.F.Smith Institute now at BYU. > > I'm hoping to find out what the hang-up was on volume 3 at MHA. > > Grant indicated "At that level (meaning Correlation or "the Bretheren") > things move slowly and this book wasn't a priority with them." > > --Steve > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Assualt on Paper Date: 02 May 2001 11:39:39 EDT In a message dated 05/02/2001 12:19:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MADAIR@novell.com writes: << Articles from Sunday DesNews on DOUBLE FOLD: LIBRARIES AND THE ASSAULT ON PAPER; by Nicholson Baker; Random House, 370 pages; $25.95: . . . . . Baker says that libraries aren't doing an adequate job of preserving books and periodicals. >> I heard him interviewed on the Diane Rehm show on NPR. One of the factors he mentioned is the wholesale microfilming and discarding of original newspapers by libraries. This is a stock-in-trade subject any time rare book dealers gather for lunch, at least in my crowd. The horror stories of libraries discarding valuable sources go on and on. The underlying causes are generally librarian unawareness of history and disrespect for originals. The immediate causes are probably pressure to make space for more stuff (usually stuff in immediate demand by typical library patrons), and busy work schedules remunerated by fixed salaries. The results are the total disappearance of any originals of some newspapers, and astounding monetary losses to these libraries, which could have sold their microfilmed originals for thousands of dollars instead of sending them to pulping mills. One standard story involves a dealer or two in New York City who made their livings in part by going regularly to the loading docks of the NY Public and similar institutions, picking up free discarded microfilmed originals, and then selling them for hefty prices to other collectors and institutions. And of course, the pathetic condition of ultra-valuable Mormon pamphlets in the NY Public Library Annex, at least as I witnessed it a decade ago, is astonishing. Hope that has improved, but I certainly wouldn't attempt talking to officials there about it. Most librarians are so beleaguered by serials and non-print budgets, committee meetings, and administrative red tape that discussion with them about subjects like I mention above is next to impossible. Glad to say that I do not perceive such problems at BYU, the Church Archives, U of U or Utah State, all of which seem to understand and appreciate the importance of these issues. Rick Grunder Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Assualt on Paper Date: 02 May 2001 11:08:09 -0500 I was a bit surprised to find our college librarian was so motivated to = rid himself of paper. They changed the name from library to resource = center and were well on their way to going electronic, which has its = advandages in a remote rural area, but alarming to a "feel the paper" kind = of guy. Every year he would ask me which books about art could be = discarded and every year I would say none. I really couldn't justify = some of the 70's acquisitions on macrame and tole painting, but it was the = principle of the thing. Now he is retired and the books are not. The = battle goes on. Speaking of preservation I just got a copy of: WILCOX, Annie Tremmel. : A Degree of Mastery: A Journey Through Book = Arts Apprenticeship. ; Minneapolis: New Rivers Press (1999). [Books about Books]. Fine first edition, hardcover in a near fine dust = jacket. 27836 . USD13. Has anyone read this? I won't get to it myself for a couple of weeks. = (yes, I say that about every book I buy.) Mick - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] 3rd vol. of Papers Date: 02 May 2001 10:26:55 -0600 I've also heard that this is the year for Papers Vol. 3. I would, however, like to know what the hold up really was, since you mentioned that Grant Underwood made it clear that it was not the incident of Joseph slapping Emma, as has been previously spread around. It was also my understanding that there is actually material for 9 or 10 vols. When I spoke to Dean Jessee about a year ago, this is what he indicated to me. Hopefully we really will see it this year! John Steve Eccles wrote: > I just posted on this last week. I spoke with Grant Underwood who will be editing one of the volumes. Dean Jesse is still over the project, but others have been assigned to help him. > > Grant is in the J.F.Smith Institute now at BYU. > > I'm hoping to find out what the hang-up was on volume 3 at MHA. > > Grant indicated "At that level (meaning Correlation or "the Bretheren") things move slowly and this book wasn't a priority with them." > > --Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cahoon_Doug@emc.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:25 AM > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] 3rd vol. of Papers > > I have heard that the 3rd Jesse vol. of JS papers has cleared the committees > and will be released. I have also heard there are to be 6 vols. Can anyone > confirm this? > > --Doug > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Assault on Paper Date: 02 May 2001 13:38:02 EDT In a message dated 05/02/2001 12:09:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes: << They changed the name from library to resource center and were well on their way to going electronic, which has its advandages in a remote rural area, but alarming to a "feel the paper" kind of guy. >> In the end, I suppose that it comes down to personal taste and mindset. For example, I cannot, in the wildest stretches of my imagination, envision what IS the appeal of sports in this world. Everything about group sports turns me off totally: the spirit of competition, the noise and tension, the mass hysteria; (I'll just go to the gym alone, and walk in my woods every day, thank you!). Before you think I am weird, my point is that we who love real books and real manuscripts seem incomprehensible to most of the world. We simply cannot communicate to a non-book/paper lover what we feel. They hear the words, but they cannot feel the passion. Until the days they died, neither of my parents (supportive and proud as they were) understood why people wanted to buy my books. "What do these libraries DO with them?" So we just have to get these things ourselves, and preserve them ourselves, or be glad for the few institutions who share our spectrum of value. Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] 3rd vol. of Papers Date: 02 May 2001 11:21:51 -0700 Scott Faulring was kind enough to answer an email I sent him. In his response he told me, as has been mentioned, Dean Jesse is general editor and Scott is associate editor. Scott wrote that there are plans for volumes 4-12 in the series. Scott also wrote that it is hoped volume 3 will be available in late 2002. Joe >I have heard that the 3rd Jesse vol. of JS papers has cleared the >committees >and will be released. I have also heard there are to be 6 vols. Can anyone >confirm this? > >--Doug _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Assault on Paper Date: 02 May 2001 11:30:54 -0700 I get pretty much the same reaction from everyone I know. Their question is, "why in the world do you have SO MANY books". When I first started reading and buying, I thought everyone loved books! I agree with you whote heartedly about the Utah institutions. It makes me sick to read from Will Bagley and Bill MacKinnon that all of Dale Morgan's papers are in a storage unit in Richmond instead of at UC Berkley. With all of the sulferdioxide clouds and Tosco refinery fires killing the people of Richmond, I wonder what it is doing to Dale Morgan's papers. This may be extreme, but I believe both situations are wrong. I wonder if anyone at BYU has considered approaching NYPL about aquiring their collection? Joe > >In the end, I suppose that it comes down to personal taste and mindset. >For >example, I cannot, in the wildest stretches of my imagination, envision >what >IS the appeal of sports in this world. Everything about group sports turns >me off totally: the spirit of competition, the noise and tension, the mass >hysteria; (I'll just go to the gym alone, and walk in my woods every day, >thank you!). Before you think I am weird, my point is that we who love >real >books and real manuscripts seem incomprehensible to most of the world. > >We simply cannot communicate to a non-book/paper lover what we feel. They >hear the words, but they cannot feel the passion. Until the days they >died, >neither of my parents (supportive and proud as they were) understood why >people wanted to buy my books. "What do these libraries DO with them?" > >So we just have to get these things ourselves, and preserve them ourselves, >or be glad for the few institutions who share our spectrum of value. > >Rick Grunder > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bookmaking Date: 03 May 2001 00:56:49 -0600 Shelfers, Can anyone recommend a good book on bookmaking? I'm particularly interested in two different aspects: First, a history of bookmaking, including origins, development, regional differences, etc. Second, how books are generally made today from start to finish, including variances such as hand sewn bindings vs. machine, cloth bindings vs. wrappers, etc. If all this information is in one book, great. If I should be picking up two separate ones to get more (and better) information on each topic, I'm more than willing to do so. Thanks! John - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bookmaking Date: 03 May 2001 08:32:40 -0500 A book that meets some of John's criteria is: Bookbinding its Background = and Technique by Edith Diehl. Originally published in the 60's in two = volumes is now available in a single softbound volume from Dover for = about $20 http://store.doverpublications.com/=20 Dover has reprints of several classic bookbinding texts. An Interesting = phenomenon I've seen is bookbinding courses use these softcover texts and = the course projects include rebinding them in hardcover. I'd also recommend this site : Bookbinding and the Conservation of Books: = A Dictionary of Descriptive Terminology http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/don/don.html=20 I've found some interesting things at the Canadian Bookbinding and Book = Artists Guild site. Including plans for a homemade standing press. (Canadians apparently call formica type laminate "arborite." But then they = also call couches chesterfields.) http://www.cbbag.ca/=20 Mick - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] 3rd vol. of Papers Date: 03 May 2001 08:36:31 -0500 What I want to know is if all 12 volumes are going to have slightly = different colored dustjackets. It would be a shame if some of them = matched, or are mine the only ones that don't? Mick - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bookmaking Date: 03 May 2001 12:01:15 EDT In a message dated 05/03/2001 9:33:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes: << A book that meets some of John's criteria is: Bookbinding its Background and Technique by Edith Diehl. Originally published in the 60's in two volumes is now available in a single softbound volume from Dover for about $20 http://store.doverpublications.com/ >> Certainly a respected name in this subject. Another classic text which allows one to explore some of the minutiae and really talk like a pro: Philip Gaskell: A NEW INTRODUCTION TO BIBLIOGRAPHY. NY & Oxford: Oxford Univ. Press, 1972. This book will show you 29 different grains of book cloth, for example, tell you when various bindings came into being, and how to give the collation of a five-hundred year-old book without page numbers. Detailed diagrams demystify the complexities of form arrangement and sheet folding to make the various duodecimos and sextidecimos, allowing you to understand how your mid-century Doctrine and Covenants printed in Liverpool could have been bound up with the missing and duplicated pages you just noticed. A selection, taken at random from pp. 176-7 . . . "Gutenberg himself appears to have been checked on this account and even Plantin, who was a shrewd man, was constantly plagued with problems resulting from excessive borrowing (the investment in his business in 1565 being about 20,000 florins, then worth about L2,750 sterling, a considerable sum in the sixteenth century). Consequently, many books were financed in partnership (see the next section). "The cost of equipping a small printing house was not in itself enormous. A shop with 2 presses and 1,500 kg. of type with its related equipment could be set up for about L350 (mid-eighteenth-century prices), but more than half as much again was needed to cover wages and overheads before any return could be expected. The cost of the paper (if the printed provided it himself) could be even more than the cost of printing on it, and unlike the labour, moreover, it had to be bought in advance of rather than during production. . . ." 438 pages, with instructive diagrams, etc. Don't know where to find a copy - took me years, but I'll bet it is in reprint by now. Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bookmaking Date: 03 May 2001 13:11:52 -0500 ...438 pages, with instructive diagrams, etc. Don't know where to find a = copy -=20 took me years... Rick Grunder... Yes, but you were looking for the book before the miracle of the internet. = There are a dozen copies currently listed on a "large internet booksellers= database." Was that me complaining about going electronic? Price range = $30 to $70. I'd pick up a spare if I were you. Mick - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bookmaking Date: 03 May 2001 15:05:00 EDT In a message dated 05/03/2001 2:13:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes: << Yes, but you were looking for the book before the miracle of the internet. There are a dozen copies currently listed on a "large internet booksellers database." Was that me complaining about going electronic? Price range $30 to $70. I'd pick up a spare if I were you. >> Paid $42 for mine, about 5,000 checks ago. I never met Mr. Gaskell, but met his son in the 1970s while he was working for a bookseller who sent him to BYU Library with antiquarian material to sell us. While I do not have a degree in Library Science, I took a Library Science course at BYU on bibliography, and this was our text. Russ Clement (if some of you know him) and I shared the book. Unwilling to cut it in two (like Solomon and the baby), we flipped for it or something once the course was completed, and Russ was the winner. RG - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bookmaking Date: 03 May 2001 14:20:53 -0600 Thanks for all the responses to my inquiry. I'd have said thanks earlier, but I've been fighting all morning long to rid my computer of a nasty virus. I think all is finally well... BTW, this particular virus made its way to me via Tom Kimball from his Signature Books address. I think he's working on the problem, but if you get a blank message from Tom with only an attachment, DON'T OPEN IT! As soon as I clicked on it and heard my hard drive whirling but saw nothing happening, I hung my head in shame for not checking it out first. I'm excited to look into these books that have been mentioned - thanks again! And if anyone knows of any others, I'm still interested. John RickBook@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 05/03/2001 2:13:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes: > > << Yes, but you were looking for the book before the miracle of the internet. > There are a dozen copies currently listed on a "large internet booksellers > database." Was that me complaining about going electronic? Price range $30 > to $70. I'd pick up a spare if I were you. >> > > Paid $42 for mine, about 5,000 checks ago. I never met Mr. Gaskell, but met > his son in the 1970s while he was working for a bookseller who sent him to > BYU Library with antiquarian material to sell us. While I do not have a > degree in Library Science, I took a Library Science course at BYU on > bibliography, and this was our text. Russ Clement (if some of you know him) > and I shared the book. Unwilling to cut it in two (like Solomon and the > baby), we flipped for it or something once the course was completed, and Russ > was the winner. > > RG > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Skidmore" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bookmaking Date: 03 May 2001 18:18:14 -0700 John and Rick A great source is: Oak Knoll Press, 310 Delaware Street, New Castle, EE 19720 Phone (302) 328-7232 1-800-996-2556 E-mail: oakknoll@oakknoll.com Fax: (302)328-7274 Web: www.oakknoll.com They are specialists in out of print and in- print books about books. They have over 600 IN-PRINT publications of books about books. Their catalog is fun just to see what I'm missing. Rick's book by Gaskill is listed in print in paperback. "A New Introduction to Bibliography" by P. Gaskell, 1995, 464 p., 141 illust., ISBN 1-884718-13-2, Order No. 42436, Price #29.95. Good Luck, David Skidmore ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:20 PM > Thanks for all the responses to my inquiry. I'd have said thanks earlier, but > I've been fighting all morning long to rid my computer of a nasty virus. I think > all is finally well... BTW, this particular virus made its way to me via Tom > Kimball from his Signature Books address. I think he's working on the problem, > but if you get a blank message from Tom with only an attachment, DON'T OPEN IT! > As soon as I clicked on it and heard my hard drive whirling but saw nothing > happening, I hung my head in shame for not checking it out first. > > I'm excited to look into these books that have been mentioned - thanks again! > And if anyone knows of any others, I'm still interested. > > John > > RickBook@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 05/03/2001 2:13:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes: > > > > << Yes, but you were looking for the book before the miracle of the internet. > > There are a dozen copies currently listed on a "large internet booksellers > > database." Was that me complaining about going electronic? Price range $30 > > to $70. I'd pick up a spare if I were you. >> > > > > Paid $42 for mine, about 5,000 checks ago. I never met Mr. Gaskell, but met > > his son in the 1970s while he was working for a bookseller who sent him to > > BYU Library with antiquarian material to sell us. While I do not have a > > degree in Library Science, I took a Library Science course at BYU on > > bibliography, and this was our text. Russ Clement (if some of you know him) > > and I shared the book. Unwilling to cut it in two (like Solomon and the > > baby), we flipped for it or something once the course was completed, and Russ > > was the winner. > > > > RG > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bookmaking Date: 03 May 2001 23:23:35 EDT In a message dated 05/03/2001 9:22:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DKSkidmore@email.msn.com writes: << John and Rick A great source is: Oak Knoll Press, 310 Delaware Street, New Castle, EE 19720 Phone (302) 328-7232 1-800-996-2556 >> Thanks, David. Oak Knoll's catalog always makes me feel guilty, because I know I should order about half of their stuff and read up! Rick - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bookmaking Date: 03 May 2001 21:47:57 -0600 David, Thanks for this information. I've been browsing through the site and it's a lot of fun and has some great stuff. Unfortunately, I've discovered a whole new arena of books I'll have to patiently buy one at a time, since I can't afford them all right now . John David Skidmore wrote: > John and Rick > A great source is: > Oak Knoll Press, 310 Delaware Street, New Castle, EE 19720 > Phone (302) 328-7232 1-800-996-2556 > E-mail: oakknoll@oakknoll.com > Fax: (302)328-7274 > Web: www.oakknoll.com > > They are specialists in out of print and in- print books about books. They > have over 600 IN-PRINT publications of books about books. > Their catalog is fun just to see what I'm missing. Rick's book by Gaskill > is listed in print in paperback. > "A New Introduction to Bibliography" by P. Gaskell, 1995, 464 p., 141 > illust., ISBN 1-884718-13-2, Order No. 42436, Price #29.95. > > Good Luck, > David Skidmore > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hatch" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:20 PM > Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bookmaking > > > Thanks for all the responses to my inquiry. I'd have said thanks earlier, > but > > I've been fighting all morning long to rid my computer of a nasty virus. > I think > > all is finally well... BTW, this particular virus made its way to me via > Tom > > Kimball from his Signature Books address. I think he's working on the > problem, > > but if you get a blank message from Tom with only an attachment, DON'T > OPEN IT! > > As soon as I clicked on it and heard my hard drive whirling but saw > nothing > > happening, I hung my head in shame for not checking it out first. > > > > I'm excited to look into these books that have been mentioned - thanks > again! > > And if anyone knows of any others, I'm still interested. > > > > John > > > > RickBook@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 05/03/2001 2:13:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes: > > > > > > << Yes, but you were looking for the book before the miracle of the > internet. > > > There are a dozen copies currently listed on a "large internet > booksellers > > > database." Was that me complaining about going electronic? Price range > $30 > > > to $70. I'd pick up a spare if I were you. >> > > > > > > Paid $42 for mine, about 5,000 checks ago. I never met Mr. Gaskell, but > met > > > his son in the 1970s while he was working for a bookseller who sent him > to > > > BYU Library with antiquarian material to sell us. While I do not have a > > > degree in Library Science, I took a Library Science course at BYU on > > > bibliography, and this was our text. Russ Clement (if some of you know > him) > > > and I shared the book. Unwilling to cut it in two (like Solomon and the > > > baby), we flipped for it or something once the course was completed, and > Russ > > > was the winner. > > > > > > RG > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf]More about Papers of Joseph Smith Date: 03 May 2001 20:59:25 -0700 Scott Faulring was king enough to answer more about Papers of Joseph Smith. He wrote that volumes 4-9 will be chronological and contain everything imaginable by or connected to Joseph Smith. This includes letters to and from, revelations, legal documents, and so on. He wrote that each volume will have at least two editors. He also wrote that volumes 10-12 will have biographical sketches, index's and such. I am sure I do not do justice to Scott's words, but what he explained sure made me excited. Joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Marotta Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Restoration Book of Commandments Date: 04 May 2001 06:17:32 -0400 Has anyone seen this book? Any comments on it? Are there binding variants? Frank Marotta The Restoration Book of Commandments in Hebrew Poetic Style and Structure by Warner, Elder Eugene (Compiler) Privately printed Alaska nd Wraps Near Fine Appears unread 4to, 461+ pp, Covenant Edition Comb style spiral binding. From the front page: "The following are selected sections from modern day revelations; and undedited, unproofed, a rough draft prepared for classes at Gathering '95, August 14, 1995 Independence Missouri." Pages about the Priesthood and the Restored Covenant edition update on The Book of Mormon are laid in. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Readerware Date: 04 May 2001 10:59:45 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C0D489.5429AF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After evaluating Readerware for several days and deciding not to use it = I tried to uninstall it using the uninstall utility that accompanies the = software. I have to report that it was not a clean uninstall. I still = have the main folder (Readerware) with many sub folders on my computer. = Does anyone know whether or not I can just delete the remaining folders = on my hard drive without causing any problems? In the past I have tried = to do eliminate programs which did not have an uninstall feature only to = regret it. If I remember correctly, other programs somehow were = impacted. Being that I did run the uninstall program, can I assume deleting the = remainder folders will not create problems? Thanks, Phil Perhaps this annoying feature of Readware will dissuade others from = using it. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C0D489.5429AF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After evaluating Readerware for several days and = deciding=20 not to use it I tried to uninstall it using the uninstall utility that=20 accompanies the software.  I have to report that it was not a clean = uninstall.  I still have the main folder (Readerware) with many sub = folders=20 on my computer.   Does anyone know whether or not I can just = delete=20 the remaining folders on my hard drive without causing any = problems?  In=20 the past I have tried to do eliminate programs which did not have an = uninstall=20 feature only to regret it.  If I remember correctly, other programs = somehow=20 were impacted.
 
Being that I did run the uninstall program, can = I assume=20 deleting the remainder folders will not create problems?
 
Thanks,
 
Phil
 
Perhaps this annoying feature of Readware will = dissuade=20 others from using it.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C0D489.5429AF80-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Readerware Date: 04 May 2001 12:01:36 -0600 --------------CB2722EDD23BBD81C05AA417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can always try and move the folder into your Recycle Bin and if there is a shared file in there that other programs are using, Windows will bring up an alert that asks you if you just want to delete that particular file. If you can delete it without any alert coming up, you should be fine - but please don't hate me if something does go wrong . At the very least, you can move the folder to the Recycle bin and then play around with your other programs for a while. If they all work, then you should be able to empty the Recycle Bin. If not, you can move the folder back to where it was and the programs should be able to find the moved files. Good luck! John Phil wrote: > After evaluating Readerware for several days and deciding not to use > it I tried to uninstall it using the uninstall utility that > accompanies the software. I have to report that it was not a clean > uninstall. I still have the main folder (Readerware) with many sub > folders on my computer. Does anyone know whether or not I can just > delete the remaining folders on my hard drive without causing any > problems? In the past I have tried to do eliminate programs which did > not have an uninstall feature only to regret it. If I remember > correctly, other programs somehow were impacted. Being that I did run > the uninstall program, can I assume deleting the remainder folders > will not create problems? Thanks, Phil Perhaps this annoying feature > of Readware will dissuade others from using it. --------------CB2722EDD23BBD81C05AA417 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can always try and move the folder into your Recycle Bin and if there is a shared file in there that other programs are using, Windows will bring up an alert that asks you if you just want to delete that particular file.  If you can delete it without any alert coming up, you should be fine - but please don't hate me if something does go wrong <g>.  At the very least, you can move the folder to the Recycle bin and then play around with your other programs for a while.  If they all work, then you should be able to empty the Recycle Bin.  If not, you can move the folder back to where it was and the programs should be able to find the moved files.

Good luck!
John

Phil wrote:

After evaluating Readerware for several days and deciding not to use it I tried to uninstall it using the uninstall utility that accompanies the software.  I have to report that it was not a clean uninstall.  I still have the main folder (Readerware) with many sub folders on my computer.   Does anyone know whether or not I can just delete the remaining folders on my hard drive without causing any problems?  In the past I have tried to do eliminate programs which did not have an uninstall feature only to regret it.  If I remember correctly, other programs somehow were impacted. Being that I did run the uninstall program, can I assume deleting the remainder folders will not create problems? Thanks, Phil Perhaps this annoying feature of Readware will dissuade others from using it. 
--------------CB2722EDD23BBD81C05AA417-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Readerware Date: 04 May 2001 14:22:54 EDT In a message dated 05/04/2001 2:01:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jphatch@freeport.com writes: << You can always try and move the folder into your Recycle Bin and if there is a shared file in there that other programs are using, Windows will bring up an alert that asks you if you just want to delete that particular file. If you can delete it without any alert coming up, you should be fine - but please don't hate me if something does go wrong . At the very least, you can move the folder to the Recycle bin and then play around with your other programs for a while. If they all work, then you should be able to empty the Recycle Bin. If not, you can move the folder back to where it was and the programs should be able to find the moved files. >> Software intended for cataloging and inventorying LDS books may be removed either in part or in entire folders from your hard drive at any time. However, you will be lowered one degree in the Celestial (or another) Kingdom in the next life, unless said software was initially installed Under the Covenant, in which case you will be given a second chance to re-install with impunity. Rick Grunder When You Really Want to Know - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Stocks" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bookmaking Date: 04 May 2001 22:35:16 -0600 On 3 May 2001, at 0:56, John Hatch wrote: > Shelfers, > > Can anyone recommend a good book on bookmaking? I'm particularly > interested in two different aspects: First, a history of bookmaking, > including origins, development, regional differences, etc. Second, > how books are generally made today from start to finish, including > variances such as hand sewn bindings vs. machine, cloth bindings vs. > wrappers, etc. If all this information is in one book, great. If I > should be picking up two separate ones to get more (and better) > information on each topic, I'm more than willing to do so. I've been out of town and I'm still catching up on my email (a mere 139 messages left to go). So I may not have seen all the responses to this inquiry, but I'd like to offer a few possibilities on this subject. First, I agree that Gaskell is a central resource in this area; his book was essential to my studies in library school in the late 70s. Note that he titles his book _A New Introduction to Bibliography;_ you might enjoy delving into the book he was updating, a real classic in the area of book description: McKerrow, Ronald B., _An Introduction to Bibliography for Literary Students._ Oxford University Press, 1927. (My copy is the thirteenth impression, 1977.) As to the history of the book, I really enjoyed Febvre and Martin's _The Coming of the Book: the Impact of Printing 1450-1800._ London: NLB, 1976. This is actually a translation by David Gerard of the original 1958 book _L'Apparition du Livre,_ but I don't read French that well, so my copy is in English. There's also Douglas McMurtrie's massive _The Book: The Story of Printing & Bookmaking Illustrated._ Oxford University Press, 1943. (I have only the twelfth printing from 1980.) McMurtrie is an interesting read; he also did a number of short studies on early Mormon and Utah printing that are useful. Along the more technical line Howard Greenfeld's _Books From Writer to Reader_ (Paper. New York: Crown Publishers, 1976) is a well-presented answer to your query about how books get made, from cradle to grave, so to speak. There's also Chandler Grannis, _What Happens in Book Publishing,_ Second Edition, Columbia University Press, 1967, for a descriptive treatment of the whole realm of publishing. Then, if your antiquarian interests get aroused, you really must read Joseph Moxon's _Mechanick Exercises on the Whole Art of Printing,_ New York: Dover Publications, 1978 (a paperback reprint of the earlier edition published by Oxford U Press in 1958 and revised in 1962). The original, however dates from 1683/84 and represents "by forty years, the earliest manual of printing in any language, and it put in writing a knowledge that was wholly traditional." So if you really want to know how to set up and operate a hand press, this is your reference source. Sorry if I go on just a bit. Books on books were an early interest of mine, and I couldn't resist sharing a few. Hugh Stocks hstocks@vii.com Computers will save the world! (when we find the right program.) - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Marotta Subject: Facsimilies (Was: Re: RE[LDS-Bookshelf] EBAY REVISITED) Date: 07 May 2001 19:01:32 -0400 > Speaking of sculduggery, I understand that a number of books are > showing up on the Mormon market with facsimile pages throughout but not > identified as > such. > > Keith > OK, what about when the whole document is a "facsimile", but it is not marked? Take a look at this "facsimile" 1830 book of Mormon: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1428038363 When I wrote the seller several days ago and asked if it was annotated as a facsimile, I did not receive the courtesy of a response. Personally, I do not think facsimiles of this sort are desirable... I actually find something repulsive about them. I could see someone trying to pass these "aged" documents off as originals. Considering that 90% of the ebay bidders do not have the sophistication to verify that a $500 (or more) book is collated, how many could be taken in by something like this? It does not look real to me, but... OK, does anyone out there think this item looks nice? Frank Marotta ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: Facsimilies (Was: Re: RE[LDS-Bookshelf] EBAY REVISITED) Date: 07 May 2001 21:32:36 EDT In a message dated 05/07/2001 7:18:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fmarotta@juno.com writes: << Take a look at this "facsimile" 1830 book of Mormon: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1428038363 When I wrote the seller several days ago and asked if it was annotated as a facsimile, I did not receive the courtesy of a response. Personally, I do not think facsimiles of this sort are desirable... I actually find something repulsive about them. I could see someone trying to pass these "aged" documents off as originals. Considering that 90% of the ebay bidders do not have the sophistication to verify that a $500 (or more) book is collated, how many could be taken in by something like this? It does not look real to me, but... OK, does anyone out there think this item looks nice? >> So what did they do? Take a modern facsimile printing, sand the edges roughly, then splatter the paper with something foxy-looking? Then, slap it into an old binding? Ewwwwwwwwwwwww! R. Grunder articulate critic Ewwwwwwwwwwwww! - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: Facsimilies (Was: Re: RE[LDS-Bookshelf] EBAY REVISITED) Date: 07 May 2001 20:08:26 -0700 I can't believe it's up to $465 already. --Steve -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = RickBook@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:33 PM In a message dated 05/07/2001 7:18:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fmarotta@juno.com writes: << Take a look at this "facsimile" 1830 book of Mormon: =A0http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1428038363 =A0When I wrote the seller several days ago and asked if it was = annotated as =A0a facsimile, I did not receive the courtesy of a response.=A0=A0 = Personally, =A0I do not think facsimiles of this sort are desirable... I actually = find =A0something repulsive about them.=A0=A0 I could see someone trying to = pass =A0these "aged" documents off as originals. Considering that 90% of the = ebay =A0bidders do not have the sophistication to verify that a $500 (or = more) =A0book is collated, how many could be taken in by something like = this?=A0=A0 It =A0does not look real to me, but... =A0OK, does anyone out there think this item looks nice? >> So what did they do?=A0 Take a modern facsimile printing, sand the edges roughly, then splatter the paper with something foxy-looking?=A0 Then, = slap it into an old binding? Ewwwwwwwwwwwww! R. Grunder articulate critic Ewwwwwwwwwwwww! - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with -=A0=A0 "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message = body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"=20 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: Facsimilies Date: 07 May 2001 20:40:59 -0700 And as a further tribute to integrity in the Mormon book world: Originating on Center Street in the fine city of Provo comes what one of our bookshelfers has called "Frankenbooks." These are "authentic" early books assembled from many partials. So you might get signatures and leaves from a dozen or more books assembled to collate complete by a hungry bookbinder who lays all moral responsibility at the feet of the dealer. We're not talking a single leaf or two being tipped in. We're talking multiple chunks and hunks. And then sold at top dollar, of course. I had heard about these uglies but hadn't seen them until one was shown to me this week by a novice collector who was quite proud. Unverified, but I wouldn't be the least surprised if there were occasional facsimile's tipped in. It can be tough to find all the partials you need to produce this kind of fine art. Rick's "Ewwwwww" is insufficient. At 07:01 PM 5/7/01 -0400, you wrote: > > Speaking of sculduggery, I understand that a number of books are > > showing up on the Mormon market with facsimile pages throughout but >not > > identified as > > such. > > > > Keith > > > >OK, what about when the whole document is a "facsimile", but it is not >marked? > >Take a look at this "facsimile" 1830 book of Mormon: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1428038363 > >When I wrote the seller several days ago and asked if it was annotated as >a facsimile, I did not receive the courtesy of a response. Personally, >I do not think facsimiles of this sort are desirable... I actually find >something repulsive about them. I could see someone trying to pass >these "aged" documents off as originals. Considering that 90% of the ebay >bidders do not have the sophistication to verify that a $500 (or more) >book is collated, how many could be taken in by something like this? It >does not look real to me, but... > >OK, does anyone out there think this item looks nice? > >Frank Marotta > > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: Re: Facsimilies (Was: Re: RE[LDS-Bookshelf] EBAY REVISITED) Date: 08 May 2001 08:29:57 -0500 Hey, at least it's been "hand antiqued" none of that high-tech, impersonal = "machine antiquing." Who knows where they had to put their hand to = retrieve the book from the "slight-water-damage-inducer?" That deserves = some kind of premium. The true irony will hit when the purchaser pays to = have the book restored. Mick=20 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: Facsimilies (Was: Re: RE[LDS-Bookshelf] EBAY REVISITED) Date: 08 May 2001 07:08:35 -0700 It's still at $465. It says the text is modern. I wonder if they are using the current text = or the actual reproduction from the LDS replica or the RLDS version or = what? --Steve - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: Facsimilies Date: 08 May 2001 12:11:56 EDT In a message dated 05/08/2001 9:30:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes: << Hey, at least it's been "hand antiqued" none of that high-tech, impersonal "machine antiquing." Who knows where they had to put their hand to retrieve the book from the "slight-water-damage-inducer?" That deserves some kind of premium. The true irony will hit when the purchaser pays to have the book restored. Mick >> I just described this item to my binder on the telephone, and we had a good chuckle. I told him it looked as if someone had simply placed the book on the floor near a urinal to achieve the "antiquing" effect. Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: Facsimilies Date: 08 May 2001 11:36:11 -0500 Which gives a whole new (if unpleasant) meaning to the term "hand = antiqued." Mick >>> RickBook@aol.com 05/08/01 11:11AM >>> In a message dated 05/08/2001 9:30:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 I just described this item to my binder on the telephone, and we had a = good=20 chuckle. I told him it looked as if someone had simply placed the book = on=20 the floor near a urinal to achieve the "antiquing" effect. Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] More e-bay Date: 08 May 2001 18:59:05 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0D7F0.F46D4AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here we are, folks. Get your rare 1868 Rare Deseret Alphabet Reader - = starting bid: $399.00. =20 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1428754626 =20 --Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0D7F0.F46D4AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here we are, folks. Get your rare 1868 Rare Deseret = Alphabet Reader – starting bid:  = $399.00.

 

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http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1428= 754626

 

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--Steve

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0D7F0.F46D4AA0-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] More e-bay Date: 08 May 2001 22:05:01 -0600 >>> steve.eccles2@verizon.net 05/08/01 07:59PM >>> > >Here we are, folks. Get your rare 1868 Rare Deseret Alphabet Reader - = starting bid: $399.00. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1428754626=20 =20 Well, it does look like it's in exceptionally good condition. . . . and it = has the "extremely rare" errata page. And those Deseret Alphabet books are = extremely scarce--there's only been 4 sold on Ebay in the past two weeks. MBA - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Don't forget to sign off Date: 09 May 2001 20:35:43 -0700 Since we're approaching summer, might I remind y'all to unsubscribe if you're going to be gone on vacation. When mailboxes fill up, the start bouncing back to Hugh and me. Have mercy and take yourself off the list. When you return, drop Hugh or me a note and we'll put you back on the list. 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Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Stocks" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Double Column Book of Mormon - What's First? Date: 13 May 2001 21:21:30 -0600 On 12 May 2001, at 5:36, Frank Marotta wrote: > Last night I was collating an 1892 Book of Mormon (Lamoni; "large > print" edition) and something hit me when I reached page 292 - this > edition is in double columns! And I always thought the earliest > double column Book of Mormon was the 1920! > > So the question is this: are there other double column editions > (irrespective of publisher) before 1920? Before 1892? In a word, No. Well, actually, I can only speak with some authority about the English-language editions. I honestly don't know about early translations into other languages. The RLDS large-format edition was typeset at the same time as a pulpit edition of the Inspired Version (or JST as we now refer to it). This permitted the church to bind the BoM with the New Testament, literally fulfilling a plan of Joseph Smith's to publish the two books together. I haven't seen many copies of "The Two Records" (binder's title for this combination). Anybody know of copies on the market? Hugh Stocks hstocks@vii.com Illegitimi non carborundum. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Zelot Mormans Date: 14 May 2001 08:31:56 -0500 Heard of Temple Lot Mormons? How about Zelot Mormans?=20 Mick=20 Brooks, Juanita THE MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE Univ of OK Press Norman, OK 1970 Dust Jacket. Hardcover. = fine History of the emigrant massacre by Zelot Mormans. Four copies of = original newspaper articles relating to the arrest, conviction and imprisonment of = John Lee laid in. 316 pages. Bookseller Inventory # 7987 Price: US$ 75.00 convert currency Presented by Antiques & Art, Piedmont, SD, U.S.A. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis Nelson" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Zelot Mormans Date: 14 May 2001 12:12:19 -0700 exuse me! Is "convert currency actual money found in the wallets of people who have converted to the LDS church, or does it designate money especially designed to convert into something else? OR, is it.....oh, never mind. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mick Reasor Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:32 AM Heard of Temple Lot Mormons? How about Zelot Mormans? Mick Brooks, Juanita THE MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE Univ of OK Press Norman, OK 1970 Dust Jacket. Hardcover. fine History of the emigrant massacre by Zelot Mormans. Four copies of original newspaper articles relating to the arrest, conviction and imprisonment of John Lee laid in. 316 pages. Bookseller Inventory # 7987 Price: US$ 75.00 convert currency Presented by Antiques & Art, Piedmont, SD, U.S.A. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Slightly Chipped Date: 18 May 2001 23:02:30 -0600 A while ago, someone here recommended Lawrence & Nancy Goldstone's book, = _Slightly Chipped: Footnotes in Booklore_, the sequel to their first book = _Used and Rare_. I just picked up a copy on sale at Barnes & Noble for = $3.98. It's probably not going to get much cheaper. MBA - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Thanks Date: 20 May 2001 18:29:38 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0E15A.D429F680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those of you who weren't at the Mormon History Assn. meetings, this = won't mean anything but will maybe spur you on to join that august group = and meet with us in 2002 in Tucson, AZ. =20 I really want to thank Ken for his efforts and those of his family & = friends to host the LDS book collectors at Cedar City for the MHA. =20 We had a great time Saturday morning meeting Bill McKinnon, Will Bagley, = Diane & Bob Peel, and all of the others who were there. =20 The food was magnificent and the company was just as good. =20 I expect to see photos cropping up soon of the motley group that = assembled on campus before the start of the Saturday sessions. =20 Ken ... what a great thing you did! I really appreciate it & the work = you did for MHA in your part of the assignments. =20 --Steve =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0E15A.D429F680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For those of you who weren’t at the Mormon History Assn. meetings, this = won’t mean anything but will maybe spur you on to join that august group and meet with us in = 2002 in Tucson, AZ.

 

=

I really want to thank = Ken for his efforts and those of his family & friends to host the LDS = book collectors at Cedar City for the MHA.

 

We had a great time Saturday morning meeting = Bill McKinnon, = Will Bagley, = Diane & Bob = Peel, and all of the others who were there.

 

The food was magnificent and the = company was just as good.

 

I expect to see photos cropping up = soon of the motley group that assembled on campus before the start = of the Saturday = sessions.

 

Ken = ... what a great thing you did! I really appreciate it & the = work you did for MHA in your part of the = assignments.

 

--Steve

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0E15A.D429F680-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] MHA Date: 21 May 2001 22:23:10 -0700 Steve, Phil, Kendall, and others, If it would not be too much to ask. Would you mind sharing with us some of your thoughts on the sessions you attended, and the history/book gossip you heard? Joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] MHA Date: 21 May 2001 22:35:49 -0700 Love to. The most startling session I attended was a panel discussion with three = polygamist women. I've always lived in So. Calif. And knew polygamy went = on in Utah, but have never actually seen anyone who practices it that I = know of. These women were normal in every sense of the word. Any one of them = could have been in my ward or lived next door. They were as sincere in = their beliefs as I am mine. I don't know what I expected, but I was taken aback at this.=20 Will gave a very moving talk, but I take exception to much of what he = had to say. He related some very compelling accounts of MMM survivors. = However, these were the accounts of the young (3 year olds) who = survived. I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist, but I know you can't = give a lot of credence to memories from that young of a witness. The = mayor of Cedar City welcomed us, and one of his comments were that he = wished he had recorded many things in his youth. He said now that he is = in his mid 50's, he can clearly remember many things that never even = occurred in his youth. I think that you must really be careful in giving = full credibility to these accounts. There were so many wonderful sessions that I can't begin to go into what = I learned. Hopefully others have better recall or better notes than I = do. I will say that the final devotional was one of the finest services I = have been to in many years. We truly have a rich heritage and I get so much from MHA & the Journal = of Mormon History. BTW, there is a wonderful article about S. Dilworth = Young in one of the most recent JMA's. It is a must read. The friendships that develop are really great. --Steve -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joe Geisner Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 10:23 PM Steve, Phil, Kendall, and others, If it would not be too much to ask. Would you mind sharing with us some = of your thoughts on the sessions you attended, and the history/book gossip = you heard? Joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with -=A0=A0 "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message = body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"=20 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] MHA Date: 21 May 2001 23:06:07 -0700 Thank you Steve. Their book "Voices in Harmony" is a book I would suggest to anyone interested in plural marriage. I think it is the first book to be written from the wives perspective. Personally there is much about plural marriage that is offensive to me, but the lives and stories of these woman cause us to think about and respect their choices. Joe >Love to. > >The most startling session I attended was a panel discussion with three >polygamist women. I've always lived in So. Calif. And knew polygamy went on >in Utah, but have never actually seen anyone who practices it that I know >of. > >These women were normal in every sense of the word. Any one of them could >have been in my ward or lived next door. They were as sincere in their >beliefs as I am mine. > >I don't know what I expected, but I was taken aback at this. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] MHA Date: 22 May 2001 09:02:03 -0600 Hi All, Kendall has been kind enough to feed all the bookshelfers at MHA - wish I had been there. He also took some photos that I am passing along: http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Diane-bo.JPG http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/foodline.JPG http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/thegroup.JPG Have a look. Hugh - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Carter Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] MHA Convention Date: 23 May 2001 12:44:33 -0700 (PDT) MHA Report My wife Kathy and I attended the MHA Convention in Cedar City and enjoyed it. If any of you have an interest in Mormon history, I strongly recommend joining and at least attending the convention. There were 2 days (Friday & Saturday) of papers and a tour with luncheons and dinners followed by a short church service and continental breakfast on Sunday morning. And a book room of course. The papers focus mostly on the history of the region where the convention occurs. The topics seemed to include the settling of southern Utah, polygamy, and Mountain Meadows, but that might be what I ended up going to. The tour was a bus trip to the Mountain Meadows site. Highlights: 1. Session on writing biography. I don't plan on writing one, but I attended to better judge the biographies I read. The panelists were Mary Bradford, James Allen, Anna Backus, Roger Launius and one other whose name escapes me. Lots of good insights. 2. Bill and Will's session. Will talked about Mountain Meadows, based on his forthcoming book. Too bad the publishing process takes so long, it would be great to read it so we can finally judge for ourselves. Bill had an interesting approach based on his forthcoming book on the Utah War. He related what happened to Utah War participants after the war. Donna Smart used the same approach in her session involving the men involved in Parley Pratt's expedition to So. Utah. Papers like this make a good byproduct from the writing and research for books. 3. Mountain Meadows Tour. At least 4 busloads went to the site of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. On a hill above the site is a monument listing the names of the victims and there is also the monument where the remains were buried. You need to visit the site and reflect on what happened there. The tour was good, since in addition to visiting the site, the tour guide provides a lot of info as you travel. A USFS archaeologist was there to answer questions. A thunderstorm happened along and she answered questions while we sat in the bus. According to her, the monument in the meadow is just a burial site and there is no archaeological evidence that it was a campsite or a battle site. This makes sense, since the burial sight might be a central spot, where, the scattered bones had been gathered from a wide area by Major Carleton. She felt, based on other evidence, the campsite and attack location were to the south and then the slaughter took place to the north. 4. Cyber Breakfast. Kendall Gubler and his family invited members of the list to breakfast on Saturday morning in one of the campus buildings. A real breakfast, not just a continental breakfast! We were able to meet or reacquaint with other shelfers including, Gublers, Peels, MacKinnons, Edlund, Bagley, Eccles, Bradford, Parshall, Wotherspoon, Kimball, and Smith. I add my thanks to the Gublers for a fine breakfast. 5. The 3 polygamists. Although not really history, they did have a session in which 3 current polygamist wives spoke. Their purpose was to dispel the stereotypes that others might have regarding modern or fundamentalist polygamy. They wrote a recently published book "Voices in Harmony" and were probably more articulate than most. But they seemed quite normal and had the same basic values as the rest of us, they just practice the principle as they see it outside of the church. It would have been better if one of the husbands would have spoken. 6. Sunday morning service. The local stake president (and MHA member) presided over a short service that featured hymns by southern Utahans and readings from diaries. It was held in the Cedar City "Rock" church. It proved that a good church service can be short! 7. Book room. Benchmark, Utah State, Univ. of Illinois, Signature, Lynn Pulsipher, Dialogue, BYU, Kofford and a few others were represented. I came home with a box of new books. I also got a number of signatures in books I bought and books I took to the convention for that purpose. I got all 3 signatures for Studies in Mormon History by Allen, et al. I had taken a few by Davis Bitton and Brigham Madsen but they were not at the convention. Is their health ok? It was a great convention and I recommend MHA to everyone. We made a vacation out of it, going from California and visiting our kids in Arizona before the convention. One side trip was to a Mormon Battalion grave site on the Mexican Border near Bisbee, Arizona. What a lonely spot to die. We also stopped in Tucson to see the Mormon Battalion monument that was recently placed in the El Presidio Park. It was a life size statue of Jefferson Hunt, Christopher Layton and a Tucson resident, accompanied by interpretive plaques. Very impressive. The next MHA convention will be in Tucson in May of 2002. Bob Carter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] MHA Convention Date: 23 May 2001 18:44:43 -0700 A great report Bob and I am glad I didn't attempt one after reading yours! I enjoyed meeting and talking with many of you on the list and would encourage anyone interested in Mormon history to join the MHA and plan on attending the meeting in Tucson. Phil ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:44 PM > MHA Report > My wife Kathy and I attended the MHA Convention in > Cedar City and enjoyed it. If any of you have an > interest in Mormon history, I strongly recommend > joining and at least attending the convention. There > were 2 days (Friday & Saturday) of papers and a tour > with luncheons and dinners followed by a short church > service and continental breakfast on Sunday morning. > And a book room of course. > > The papers focus mostly on the history of the region > where the convention occurs. The topics seemed to > include the settling of southern Utah, polygamy, and > Mountain Meadows, but that might be what I ended up > going to. The tour was a bus trip to the Mountain > Meadows site. > > Highlights: > 1. Session on writing biography. I don't plan on > writing one, but I attended to better judge the > biographies I read. The panelists were Mary Bradford, > James Allen, Anna Backus, Roger Launius and one other > whose name escapes me. Lots of good insights. > > 2. Bill and Will's session. Will talked about Mountain > Meadows, based on his forthcoming book. Too bad the > publishing process takes so long, it would be great to > read it so we can finally judge for ourselves. Bill > had an interesting approach based on his forthcoming > book on the Utah War. He related what happened to Utah > War participants after the war. Donna Smart used the > same approach in her session involving the men > involved in Parley Pratt's expedition to So. Utah. > Papers like this make a good byproduct from the > writing and research for books. > > 3. Mountain Meadows Tour. At least 4 busloads went to > the site of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. On a hill > above the site is a monument listing the names of the > victims and there is also the monument where the > remains were buried. You need to visit the site and > reflect on what happened there. The tour was good, > since in addition to visiting the site, the tour guide > provides a lot of info as you travel. A USFS > archaeologist was there to answer questions. A > thunderstorm happened along and she answered questions > while we sat in the bus. According to her, the > monument in the meadow is just a burial site and there > is no archaeological evidence that it was a campsite > or a battle site. This makes sense, since the burial > sight might be a central spot, where, the scattered > bones had been gathered from a wide area by Major > Carleton. She felt, based on other evidence, the > campsite and attack location were to the south and > then the slaughter took place to the north. > > 4. Cyber Breakfast. Kendall Gubler and his family > invited members of the list to breakfast on Saturday > morning in one of the campus buildings. A real > breakfast, not just a continental breakfast! We were > able to meet or reacquaint with other shelfers > including, Gublers, Peels, MacKinnons, Edlund, Bagley, > Eccles, Bradford, Parshall, Wotherspoon, Kimball, and > Smith. I add my thanks to the Gublers for a fine > breakfast. > > 5. The 3 polygamists. Although not really history, > they did have a session in which 3 current polygamist > wives spoke. Their purpose was to dispel the > stereotypes that others might have regarding modern or > fundamentalist polygamy. They wrote a recently > published book "Voices in Harmony" and were probably > more articulate than most. But they seemed quite > normal and had the same basic values as the rest of > us, they just practice the principle as they see it > outside of the church. It would have been better if > one of the husbands would have spoken. > > 6. Sunday morning service. The local stake president > (and MHA member) presided over a short service that > featured hymns by southern Utahans and readings from > diaries. It was held in the Cedar City "Rock" church. > It proved that a good church service can be short! > > 7. Book room. Benchmark, Utah State, Univ. of > Illinois, Signature, Lynn Pulsipher, Dialogue, BYU, > Kofford and a few others were represented. I came home > with a box of new books. I also got a number of > signatures in books I bought and books I took to the > convention for that purpose. I got all 3 signatures > for Studies in Mormon History by Allen, et al. I had > taken a few by Davis Bitton and Brigham Madsen but > they were not at the convention. Is their health ok? > > It was a great convention and I recommend MHA to > everyone. We made a vacation out of it, going from > California and visiting our kids in Arizona before the > convention. One side trip was to a Mormon Battalion > grave site on the Mexican Border near Bisbee, Arizona. > What a lonely spot to die. We also stopped in Tucson > to see the Mormon Battalion monument that was recently > placed in the El Presidio Park. It was a life size > statue of Jefferson Hunt, Christopher Layton and a > Tucson resident, accompanied by interpretive plaques. > Very impressive. > > The next MHA convention will be in Tucson in May of > 2002. > > Bob Carter > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] MHA Convention Date: 23 May 2001 20:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Let me echo all the previous comments regarding the MHA. The sessions were great, the people were friendly, and Kendall and his wife are most excellent breakfast hosts. Two other comments, one short, one long: Benchmarks remainder table still has some great books, and one recent addition that caught my eye: Differing Visions for $5.00. W. Bagleys talk re the MMM was one of the most discussed talks. Will is usually fairly animated in his talks, but was especially so in this Jeremiad. Essentially he said that BY ordered the massacre. What struck me is the little evidence he presented for this, and what I felt were methodological flaws in his viewing of the evidence. As far as the evidence, he mainly talked about the PPP murder, and read a letter from Pratts wife asking for vengeance, that is, since Pratt's wife asked for vengeance, BY complied, and ordered the massacre of the Fancher train. I was also struck that Will entirely discounts the testimony of the Mormon participants due to their need to cover-up and lie about the affair, and yet he accepted uncritically Paiute oral legends. It seems to me that the Paiutes, if they were involved, would have just as much motivation to misrepresent their role in the affair. At another point he quoted a reminiscent account of an individual that was only three at the time of the massacre. He also did not address what I feel are some key issues with his proposed theory. For example, if BY had ordered the massacre, why did the folks in Cedar send Haslam to SLC to ascertain Young's will? I asked him about this after, and his response was that some of the folks in Cedar City were unconvinced, and therefore Haslam was sent to SLC to help convince the undecided. My next question to Will was, why had BY changed his mind on the matter? His response was that Van Vliets report changed the picture. What I did not have time to ask Will was, if it was the meeting with Van Vliet on the 8th that changed Young's mind, why did he not send someone immediately to Cedar? Surely he knew time was critical. As it was, Haslam arrived on the morning of the 10th, and 4 hours later was sent back to Cedar City. In fairness to Will, he did not have a lot of time to present his full case, so I await his book. I know I have always been impressed with his work in the past. However, it strikes me that his account is certainly not the most parsimonious explanation of the facts, at least as far as I understand it now. I realize my musings on Will's talk is somewhat off topic, but thought folks might be interested, and I assume the janitors will be tolerant with my lack of discretion. I have been impressed with the decorum on this list; I am sure that this topic on the old Bookshelf would have started some terrific squabbles. Thank you all for the civility and restraint you show on this list, Mark Edlund - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] MHA Convention Date: 23 May 2001 22:10:08 -0600 Mark, You raise some excellent points about Will's way of thinking towards MMM. Some I have brought up with Will and he has answered them expertly. Others, I remain less convinced. However, in regards to his book, he has passed along several different parts of this new one to me and everything I have read I am extremely impressed with. I think his book will show more restraint than he apparently did at MHA. In fact, he mentioned a few things to me that he is convinced of, but couldn't document well enough and therefore removed them from his book. I can't wait for the book. John "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" wrote: > Let me echo all the previous comments regarding the MHA. The sessions > were great, the people were friendly, and Kendall and his wife are most > excellent breakfast hosts. > > Two other comments, one short, one long: > > Benchmarks remainder table still has some great books, and one recent > addition that caught my eye: Differing Visions for $5.00. > > W. Bagleys talk re the MMM was one of the most discussed talks. Will is > usually fairly animated in his talks, but was especially so in this > Jeremiad. Essentially he said that BY ordered the massacre. What struck > me is the little evidence he presented for this, and what I felt were > methodological flaws in his viewing of the evidence. As far as the > evidence, he mainly talked about the PPP murder, and read a letter from > Pratts wife asking for vengeance, that is, since Pratt's wife asked for > vengeance, BY complied, and ordered the massacre of the Fancher train. I > was also struck that Will entirely discounts the testimony of the Mormon > participants due to their need to cover-up and lie about the affair, and > yet he accepted uncritically Paiute oral legends. It seems to me that the > Paiutes, if they were involved, would have just as much motivation to > misrepresent their role in the affair. At another point he quoted a > reminiscent account of an individual that was only three at the time of > the massacre. > > He also did not address what I feel are some key issues with his proposed > theory. For example, if BY had ordered the massacre, why did the folks in > Cedar send Haslam to SLC to ascertain Young's will? I asked him about > this > after, and his response was that some of the folks in Cedar City were > unconvinced, and therefore Haslam was sent to SLC to help convince the > undecided. My next question to Will was, why had BY changed his mind on > the matter? His response was that Van Vliets report changed the picture. > What I did not have time to ask Will was, if it was the meeting with Van > Vliet on the 8th that changed Young's mind, why did he not send someone > immediately to Cedar? Surely he knew time was critical. As it was, > Haslam arrived on the morning of the 10th, and 4 hours later was sent back > to Cedar City. > > In fairness to Will, he did not have a lot of time to present his full > case, so I await his book. I know I have always been impressed with his > work in the past. However, it strikes me that his account is certainly > not the most parsimonious explanation of the facts, at least as far as I > understand it now. > > I realize my musings on Will's talk is somewhat off topic, but thought > folks might be interested, and I assume the janitors will be tolerant with > my lack of discretion. I have been impressed with the decorum on this > list; I am sure that this topic on the old Bookshelf would have started > some terrific squabbles. > > Thank you all for the civility and restraint you show on this list, > > Mark Edlund > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] MHA Convention Date: 24 May 2001 13:30:28 -0400 That would be Dennis Lythgoe who wrote the Lee bio, Let 'em hollar... It was nice meeting Bob while he waited to get Mauss to sign a book. I am sorry I didn't make it to the breakfast - sounds like a highlight. --Doug > -----Original Message----- > Highlights: > 1. Session on writing biography. I don't plan on > writing one, but I attended to better judge the > biographies I read. The panelists were Mary Bradford, > James Allen, Anna Backus, Roger Launius and one other > whose name escapes me. Lots of good insights. > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Index Date: 25 May 2001 10:57:28 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C0E509.7D30F240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just acquired a 1965 BYU printing of the six volumes of Roberts, "A = Comprehensive History of the Church". I need an index of this BYU = printing. Does anyone have one available or one that would closely = match that binding? Phil ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C0E509.7D30F240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just acquired a 1965 BYU printing of the six = volumes of=20 Roberts, "A Comprehensive History of the Church".  I need an index = of this=20 BYU printing.  Does anyone have one available or one that would = closely=20 match that binding?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C0E509.7D30F240-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOOKSTRR@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] MHA Convention Date: 26 May 2001 10:05:40 EDT --part1_25.15d7f907.28411234_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I skipped the Will and Bill show and went to an interesting presentation by Dr. Mark Scherer (SP) who is the Historian for the Community of Christ. He outlined the history of the name change. After his remarks, Jan Shipps discussed the material, especially the changes of both LDS Churches, away from the LDS notation. (One in its official name and one in its preference of reference) It was a very interesting session. As in most sessions, the presenters were rushed. Russ --part1_25.15d7f907.28411234_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    I skipped the Will and Bill show and went to an interesting presentation
by Dr. Mark Scherer (SP) who is the Historian for the Community of Christ.  
He outlined the history of the name change.  After his remarks, Jan Shipps
discussed the material, especially the changes of both LDS Churches, away
from the LDS notation. (One in its official name and one in its preference of
reference)  It was a very interesting session.  As in most sessions, the
presenters were rushed.

Russ --part1_25.15d7f907.28411234_boundary-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Fruits from California Date: 27 May 2001 14:25:39 -0700 I spent the better part of this weekend chasing after a copy of Nelson Slater's FRUITS OF MORMONISM. This little gem should need no introduction. Suffice it to say that it is the first copyrighted book in California, first published in Coloma, and was likely printed on a press that had at least parts of Zamorano's original press. And it it truly fits the "rare" category. A book scout found this in original binding and sold it to a Bay Area dealer for $400. I heard about it from a friend of the book scout. The dealer immediately turned it around and sold it to another California dealer for $3500. He sold it the next day to another dealer for $5,000.....who, I am sad to report....has already sold it to a collector, at a substantial mark-up, I presume. I consoled myself by finding a decent copy of Horace Greeley's OVERLAND JOURNEY FROM NEW YORK TO SAN FRANCISCO. Alas.... Keith - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Fruits from California Date: 27 May 2001 14:58:56 -0700 Well, I was going to be in SF from tomorrow through Fri. I guess there's = no point hitting those stores! Is there good Mormon content in Overland = Journey? --Steve -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Keith Irwin Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 2:26 PM I spent the better part of this weekend chasing after a copy of Nelson Slater's FRUITS OF MORMONISM.=A0 This little gem should need no introduction.=A0 Suffice it to say that it is the first copyrighted book = in California, first published in Coloma, and was likely printed on a press that had at least parts of Zamorano's original press.=A0 And it it truly = fits the "rare" category. A book scout found this in original binding and sold it to a Bay Area dealer for $400.=A0 I heard about it from a friend of the book scout.=A0 = The dealer immediately turned it around and sold it to another California dealer for $3500.=A0 He sold it the next day to another dealer for $5,000.....who, I am sad to report....has already sold it to a = collector, at a substantial mark-up, I presume. I consoled myself by finding a decent copy of Horace Greeley's OVERLAND JOURNEY FROM NEW YORK TO SAN FRANCISCO. Alas.... Keith - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with -=A0=A0 "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message = body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"=20 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Fruits from California Date: 27 May 2001 16:52:32 -0700 Actually, I haven't made the rounds in San Francisco for a couple of months, though I work there. "Overland Journey" has a good deal of Mormon content including Greeley's two hour interview with Brigham Young, some insightful observations on doctrines and practices, (He's critical of the impromptu, wandering nature of GA sermons, speculates that holy murder is sanctioned by a few leaders but that most are ignorant of it, is critical of BY's assertion that slavery is divinely inspired, etc.) provides observations on the garrison army at Camp Floyd, and also makes interesting observations about the difference between the Mormon settlement at Genoa and that in Utah. I think it's worth having, obviously. Greeley was something of an outspoken radical for his times and though he attempts an even handed approach, his opinions are both strong and obvious. Keith At 02:58 PM 5/27/01 -0700, Steve Eccles wrote: >Well, I was going to be in SF from tomorrow through Fri. I guess there's >no point hitting those stores! Is there good Mormon content in Overland >Journey? > >--Steve - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] BoM 1st edition Date: 30 May 2001 19:27:13 -0600 Wow, look at the price this BoM 1st is getting: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433372206 David Kenison, Orem - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Marotta Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] BoM 1st edition Date: 30 May 2001 22:38:17 -0400 And it ended where it started ($64,500). The write up claimed that that price was conservative and that the price for BoM 1st is now in the "$75,000 range". Is that right? Frank Marotta On Wed, 30 May 2001 19:27:13 -0600 David Kenison writes: > Wow, look at the price this BoM 1st is getting: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433372206 > > David Kenison, Orem > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message > body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] BoM 1st edition Date: 30 May 2001 23:12:31 EDT In a message dated 05/30/2001 10:39:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fmarotta@juno.com writes: << And it ended where it started ($64,500). The write up claimed that that price was conservative and that the price for BoM 1st is now in the "$75,000 range". Is that right? Frank Marotta >> Here is an illustrated description of a copy I sold last week for $65,000: http://members.aol.com/rickbook/bm.htm Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] News of the Plains and Rockies Date: 30 May 2001 20:14:18 -0700 I just got my copy of volume 8 of AHC's News of the Plains and Rockies. The label on the spine seems shifted over to the right. Did anyone else get a copy of this? If so, is the label in the correct position or is it also shifted right? Keith - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] BoM 1st edition Date: 30 May 2001 21:37:19 -0600 > And it ended where it started ($64,500). The write up claimed that that > price was conservative and that the price for BoM 1st is now in the > "$75,000 range". Is that right? > Actually, I think this is a good sign that perhaps prices have leveled off a bit. This same Book of Mormon was going for $75,000 at a recent antique show in Salt Lake. No one went for it. My own sense is that they were going for $75,000 but probably won't sell for that anymore (at least for a while). John - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] BoM 1st edition Date: 31 May 2001 00:53:25 EDT In a message dated 05/30/2001 11:35:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jphatch@freeport.com writes: << Actually, I think this is a good sign that perhaps prices have leveled off a bit. This same Book of Mormon was going for $75,000 at a recent antique show in Salt Lake. No one went for it. My own sense is that they were going for $75,000 but probably won't sell for that anymore (at least for a while). >> The only one I have ever sold for $75,000 was an unusually nice copy, the best I have ever handled. That was last July. There are still so many people out there looking for the book that I have not altered my pricing scheme yet. Hope not to have to. Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Carter Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] News of the Plains and Rockies Date: 31 May 2001 00:17:39 -0700 (PDT) --- Keith Irwin wrote: > I just got my copy of volume 8 of AHC's News of the > Plains and > Rockies. The label on the spine seems shifted over > to the right. Did > anyone else get a copy of this? If so, is the label > in the correct > position or is it also shifted right? > > Keith Mine is shifted to the right also. About 1/16 inch. The publisher name at the bottom of the spine is not shifted though. Bob Carter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] News of the Plains and Rockies Date: 31 May 2001 08:00:56 -0700 (PDT) I noted the same thing on my copy and my father's copy. It sounds like they were all shifted over. Mark Edlund On Wed, 30 May 2001, Keith Irwin wrote: > I just got my copy of volume 8 of AHC's News of the Plains and > Rockies. The label on the spine seems shifted over to the right. Did > anyone else get a copy of this? If so, is the label in the correct > position or is it also shifted right? > > Keith > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] BoM 1st edition Date: 31 May 2001 11:56:19 -0400 Looks like the seller - Moon Book store formally Seagull Book and Tape in Dallas and before that was Moon Book store (a family owned bookstore). --Doug -----Original Message----- > And it ended where it started ($64,500). The write up claimed that that > price was conservative and that the price for BoM 1st is now in the > "$75,000 range". Is that right? > Actually, I think this is a good sign that perhaps prices have leveled off a bit. This same Book of Mormon was going for $75,000 at a recent antique show in Salt Lake. No one went for it. My own sense is that they were going for $75,000 but probably won't sell for that anymore (at least for a while). John - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"