From: "Phil" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Searching Date: 02 Jun 2001 09:56:33 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C0EB4A.4DBCCCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking for two books, "American Prophets Record: J.S." and "Potter = Wheel" published by Signature. If anyone has them for sale or knows of = someone that does, please contact me. Phil ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C0EB4A.4DBCCCE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am looking for two books, "American Prophets = Record:=20 J.S." and "Potter Wheel" published by Signature. If anyone has = them for=20 sale or knows of someone that does, please contact me.

Phil

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I'd wait for the 20% Off = Christmas sale myself. http://newsnet.byu.edu/index.cfm?story=3D31617 Mick - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] BoM 1st edition (sort of) Date: 06 Jun 2001 11:19:25 EDT In a message dated 06/06/2001 12:19:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes: << Byu bookstore is selling pages from an 1830 BoM. I'd wait for the 20% Off Christmas sale myself. http://newsnet.byu.edu/index.cfm?story=31617 Mick >> And only $1,000 (average) per page! I'm in the wrong business. The website reporter didn't understand things, unfortunately; the following segment appears near the beginning of the story, on the [BYU NewsNet] website: "Ugolini said the bookstore bought seven pages of the original book and will buy more if these sell. "Included in the seven pages is the books [sic] title page. "'The most important page to a book is the title page and without it, the book is worthless. So they decided to sell it page by page in a frame,' Ugolini said." Hoping against hope that sentence #2 above was the accurate one, I called quickly (as may many more people today!). No soap. No $30,000 sleeper available. Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Sanders Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Leather Brigham Young Date: 07 Jun 2001 11:01:33 -0600 I wonder if anyone has seen the following leatherbound limted edition of Brigham Young before? And does anyone know of a smaller limitation? (Knecht, William & Crawley, Peter) History of Brigham Young 1847-1867. Berkeley, Calif. 1964. MassCal Associates. 407pp. Purportedly 1/5 copies leatherbound with gilt title stamped on spine. With a letter from the authors apologising for the delay and the steep price of the book ($25!). This is not the small trade edition isued two years later, also in a small (150?) copy printing. -- Ken Sanders, ABAA Ken Sanders Rare Books 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.ksb.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Leather Brigham Young Date: 07 Jun 2001 11:25:08 -0600 I've never actually seen one before, but I have also heard that they exist. It was my understanding that 5 copies or less were actually done in leather. John Ken Sanders wrote: > I wonder if anyone has seen the following leatherbound limted edition of Brigham Young before? And does anyone know of a smaller limitation? > > (Knecht, William & Crawley, Peter) History of Brigham Young 1847-1867. Berkeley, Calif. 1964. MassCal Associates. 407pp. Purportedly 1/5 copies leatherbound with gilt title > stamped on spine. With a letter from the authors apologising for the delay and the steep price of the book ($25!). This is not the small trade edition isued two years later, also in a > small (150?) copy printing. > > -- > Ken Sanders, ABAA > Ken Sanders Rare Books > 268 South 200 East > Salt Lake City UT 84111 > (801) 521-3819 > Fax: (801) 521-2606 > http://www.ksb.com > ken@dreamgarden.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Book of Mormon Date: 08 Jun 2001 08:25:43 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0EFF4.9C9764C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think we can conclude from the following that everyone in the entire = world now has a copy of the Book of Mormon: =20 Hand of Mormon; Smith, Joseph. The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of = Jesus Christ Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Hardcover, out of print. = Fine without jacket. Religion: Christianity. Price: USD 4.50 other currencies order no. BOOKMORM02 offered by: The Book Den =20 =20 On the other hand, maybe not. This is obviously one of the newer = versions, and I don't think that we ever stopped printing these. =20 --Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0EFF4.9C9764C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think we can conclude from the following that everyone in the entire world now = has a copy of the Book of Mormon:

Hand of Mormon; Smith, = Joseph. The Book of Mormon: Another Testament = of Jesus Christ
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Hardcover, out of print. = Fine without jacket. Religion: Christianity.
Price: USD 4.50 other currencies order no. BOOKMORM02
offered by: The Book Den

On the other hand, maybe not. This is obviously = one of the newer versions, and I don’t think that we ever stopped printing = these.

--Steve

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Price: USD 4.50 other currencies order no. BOOKMORM02 offered by: The Book Den On the other hand, maybe not. This is obviously one of the newer versions, and I don't think that we ever stopped printing these. --Steve - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Book of Mormon Date: 08 Jun 2001 08:34:36 -0700 Thanks. I wasn't aware of this. I wonder how long it will take the = "thick" ones to get to collectible status?=20 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:37 AM I think they started printing the "thinner" version of the old dark blue = BoM - maybe this is one of the "thick" ones. --Doug -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:26 AM I think we can conclude from the following that everyone in the entire = world now has a copy of the Book of Mormon: Hand of Mormon; Smith, Joseph. The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Hardcover, out of print. = Fine without jacket. Religion: Christianity. Price: USD 4.50 other = currencies order no. BOOKMORM02 offered by: The Book Den On the other hand, maybe not. This is obviously one of the newer = versions, and I don't think that we ever stopped printing these. --Steve - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with -=A0=A0 "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message = body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"=20 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Book of Mormon Date: 08 Jun 2001 11:51:58 -0400 I am not holding my breath - after 15-20 years of printing and passing them about for free - it will be a while. -----Original Message----- Thanks. I wasn't aware of this. I wonder how long it will take the "thick" ones to get to collectible status? -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:37 AM I think they started printing the "thinner" version of the old dark blue BoM - maybe this is one of the "thick" ones. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Nevada City Book Fair Date: 10 Jun 2001 17:20:06 -0700 A quick report: Ellen and i spent the weekend in Nevada City at the book fair. Saw Bob & Kathy Carter. Bob Clark, Ron Helm, and James Bryant all had space. William Reese was the "Featured guest" and had lots of things I can't afford. Lots of Western Americana. I found a first London edition of City of the Saints at a reasonable price. Otherwise, emerged unscathed. Being in the heart of the gold country added a certain ambience. Keith - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Slightly Foxed but Still Desireable Date: 10 Jun 2001 17:24:30 -0700 Anyone seen this delightful book before? I was working in Portland this week and made the obligatory visit to Powell's. Didn't find any Californiana or Mormoniana I wanted but did stumble across this hilarious book, SLIGHTLY FOXED BUT STILL DESIREABLE. The author took many of the upbeat phrases used by booksellers to describe their books and had an illustrator do pictures of people with the same faults. My words are inadequate. Tell your spouse you want one for Christmas. It's out of print and apparently only 150 copies were printed so be prepared to pay. Powell's wants $100 for theirs. I found one on the net for $55. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Slightly Foxed but Still Desireable Date: 11 Jun 2001 00:12:27 -0500 came across this description yesterday: 3RD EDITION. Hardback.=20 Description: ILLUSTRATED. GOOD CONDITION. NO LETTERING LEFT ON SPINE. = SPINE WORN AT TOP. , No dust jacket 8VO. 410pp. Spine ripped in middle = from fascinated reading. ROUGH CUT PAGES. BLACK HC CLOTH. TIGHT & WHOLE. = =20 Mick =20 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Carter Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Nevada City Book Fair Date: 11 Jun 2001 12:14:04 -0700 (PDT) --- Keith Irwin wrote: > A quick report: > > Ellen and i spent the weekend in Nevada City at the > book fair. Saw Bob & > Kathy Carter. Bob Clark, Ron Helm, and James Bryant > all had > space. William Reese was the "Featured guest" and > had lots of things I > can't afford. Lots of Western Americana. I found a > first London edition > of City of the Saints at a reasonable price. > Otherwise, emerged unscathed. > > Being in the heart of the gold country added a > certain ambience. > > Keith > I enjoyed seeing Keith and meeting Ellen at the first annual Gold Rush Book Fair. The dealers in Grass Valley and Nevada City have been promoting the "Book Town" concept for their area and their guide lists 28 sellers. That's way above average for a community of that size. There were about 50 sellers at the fair, but it didn't seem too crowded with buyers, so I wonder if it was a success. I did not emerge unscathed. I vacillated for a while on whether to buy Kurutz' Gold Rush Bibliography and then finally succumbed. Decisions like that are always harder when your wife is there. I bought it from James Bryant who has been on the Bookshelf in the past. At $150, it was less than any copy on the net. Of course, you know who I pointed that out to. And then J S Holiday was signing books there and since he wrote the intro to Kurutz' book, I had him sign it. Now all I have to do is look up Kurutz some day and have him sign it too. And then I bought a few books from Bob Clark. One was the recently revised edition of Bagley's Pioneer Camp. It comes in the blue series edition. I originally purchased it in the trade edition with a DJ. Now I'll have the first volume in a series edition to match the rest of the series. If you're ever vacationing in the area, Grass Valley and Nevada City are definitely good examples of gold rush towns to visit and they have all those book stores as an added bonus. Be sure and ask for the guide when you visit one of the stores. Bob Carter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Slightly Foxed but Still Desireable Date: 11 Jun 2001 21:37:26 -0700 I know someone who fits that description. Keith At 12:12 AM 6/11/01 -0500, Mick wrote: >came across this description yesterday: > > 3RD EDITION. Hardback. >Description: ILLUSTRATED. GOOD CONDITION. NO LETTERING LEFT ON SPINE. >SPINE WORN AT TOP. , No dust jacket 8VO. 410pp. Spine ripped in middle >from fascinated reading. ROUGH CUT PAGES. BLACK HC CLOTH. TIGHT & WHOLE. > >Mick > > > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Remarkable Visions Date: 17 Jun 2001 20:04:10 -0700 Anyone know anything about a pamphlet titled "Remarkable Visions" (Flake 6860)? It contains Visions by George Washington, Newman Bulkley, S. M. Farnsworth, and C.D. Evans. I've heard about the George Washington vision though not seen it in print before. The Bulkley vision was in Springville in 1886 and is mostly about nasty things happening to congress. Farnsworth's vision is dated 1844, Nauvoo. It deals with Brigham Young taking charge and leading the faithful back to Missouri. The Evans vision is dated Christmas 1882 and like Bulkley, sees corruption in government and a pending scene of doom saved only by a voice calling people to look to the mountain tops for the true lovers of freedom where everyone lives happily ever after. I'd be interested in any context for this pamphlet (other than the obvious anti-Washington sentiment from Edmunds-Tucker.) Keith - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Stocks" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Remarkable Visions Date: 17 Jun 2001 22:41:21 -0600 Hmmm. I didn't know about that pamphlet, but I have typescript copies of Newman Bulkley's vision, since he was my gggrandfather! I'd be interested in whatever people have to say about the pamphlet. On 17 Jun 2001, at 20:04, Keith Irwin wrote: > Anyone know anything about a pamphlet titled "Remarkable Visions" > (Flake 6860)? It contains Visions by George Washington, Newman > Bulkley, S. M. Farnsworth, and C.D. Evans. I've heard about the > George Washington vision though not seen it in print before. The > Bulkley vision was in Springville in 1886 and is mostly about nasty > things happening to congress. Farnsworth's vision is dated 1844, > Nauvoo. It deals with Brigham Young taking charge and leading the > faithful back to Missouri. The Evans vision is dated Christmas 1882 > and like Bulkley, sees corruption in government and a pending scene of > doom saved only by a voice calling people to look to the mountain tops > for the true lovers of freedom where everyone lives happily ever > after. > > I'd be interested in any context for this pamphlet (other than the > obvious anti-Washington sentiment from Edmunds-Tucker.) > > Keith > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" Hugh Stocks hstocks@vii.com Intuition (n): an uncanny sixth sense which tells people that they are right, whether they are or not. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Papers of Joseph Smith Date: 21 Jun 2001 14:20:07 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0FA5D.46D46100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I spoke with someone coming to talk to the MESG and he is now one of the = editors for the Papers series. =20 Dean Jesse will be the Editor in Chief and they are planning on 10 = volumes. The original two that are already out will be republished in a = better quality book. =20 I understand that approximately 8 people are working on it including = Grant Underwood, David Whittaker and Dean Jesse. I don't know who the = others are, but maybe someone on the list knows more than I do (very = likely in almost all areas of knowledge). =20 It was stated that the Church is really behind this project now. I asked = why and my source indicated that the papers would be in public domain = shortly and this ay the Church can maintain some control over them. I = don't understand this most of the papers are in the possession of the = Church and they can control access like they always have. =20 I speculated that the volumes, if really nicely bound (not leather) = could run $50 each which would limit the audience. He noted that the = Church is underwriting the project and that may make it more accessible = cost wise. =20 Anyone else have any further light on this? They want the set out by = Fall 2002 or so. I believe Deseret Book will publish the set.=20 =20 --Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0FA5D.46D46100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I spoke with someone coming to talk to the MESG and he is now one of the editors = for the Papers series.

Dean Jesse will be the Editor in Chief and they are planning = on 10 volumes. The original two that are already out will be republished in = a better quality book.

I understand that approximately 8 people are working on it including = Grant= Underwood, = David= = Whittaker and = Dean<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> = Jesse. I don’t = know who the others are, but maybe someone on the list knows more = than I do (very likely in almost all areas of = knowledge).

It was stated that the Church is really behind this project = now. I asked why and my source indicated that the papers would be = in public domain shortly and this ay the Church can maintain = some control over them. I don’t understand this most of the = papers are in the possession of the Church and they can control = access like they always have.

I speculated that the volumes, if really nicely bound (not = leather) could run $50 each which would limit the audience. He noted = that the Church is underwriting the project and that may make it = more accessible cost wise.

Anyone else have any further light on this? They want the set out = by Fall 2002 or so. I believe Deseret Book will publish the set.

--Steve

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I believe Deseret Book will publish the set. --Steve - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Papers of Joseph Smith Date: 21 Jun 2001 16:09:51 -0700 I was told the full project. That's why they assigned so many BYU folks = on it, and took them away from other assignments to do this job. --Steve -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:42 PM Fall of 2002 is this the full set of 10 or just the two reprints? --Doug -----Original Message----- Anyone else have any further light on this? They want the set out by = Fall 2002 or so. I believe Deseret Book will publish the set. --Steve - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with -=A0=A0 "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message = body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jphatch" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: Papers of Joseph Smith Date: 21 Jun 2001 23:48:03 GMT Steve, Thanks for posting this information. Did the individual you spoke with mention anything about how extensive this series will be? Will it include everything ever written by JS or his scribes? Was there any mention of things having to be edited out in order for the Church to support the project? Your comments about the previous two volumes being redone seems to square with what's been happening at Deseret Book. Volume 1 has been unavailable for sometime now and volume two was heavily discounted for a while in order to sell them faster. I wondered for a while if the two volumes were going out of print, but your comments shed a lot of light and make all the pieces fit. Thanks, John Steve Eccles writes: > I spoke with someone coming to talk to the MESG and he is now one of the editors for the Papers series. > > Dean Jesse will be the Editor in Chief and they are planning on 10 volumes. The original two that are already out will be republished in a better quality book. > > I understand that approximately 8 people are working on it including Grant Underwood, David Whittaker and Dean Jesse. I don't know who the others are, but maybe someone on the list knows more than I do (very likely in almost all areas of knowledge). > > It was stated that the Church is really behind this project now. I asked why and my source indicated that the papers would be in public domain shortly and this ay the Church can maintain some control over them. I don't understand this most of the papers are in the possession of the Church and they can control access like they always have. > > I speculated that the volumes, if really nicely bound (not leather) could run $50 each which would limit the audience. He noted that the Church is underwriting the project and that may make it more accessible cost wise. > > Anyone else have any further light on this? They want the set out by Fall 2002 or so. I believe Deseret Book will publish the set. > > --Steve - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Papers of Joseph Smith Date: 21 Jun 2001 21:44:49 EDT In a message dated 06/21/2001 5:26:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steve.eccles2@verizon.net writes: << The original two that are already out will be republished in a better quality book. >> Hmmmmm. I wonder if they will be republished verbatim, or with certain deletions and emendations? Whenever one of my favorite foods at the grocery store comes out in a new package proclaiming, "Improved Flavor!," it means they have added fat and made it less healthy. Just wondering, RickBook - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: Papers of Joseph Smith Date: 21 Jun 2001 19:20:03 -0700 The people I have talked to are all at BYU, so loyalty to the Church = will be high. I didn't ask about any editing or "shaping" of the = material. I hope that it is not heavily edited. AS far as the reprinting of the original two volumes, his comment was = that the originals were very poor books and fell apart if used very = much. He said Dean Jesse also never liked the dj "cartoon" character of = Joseph Smith, FWIW. --Steve -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of jphatch Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 4:48 PM Steve, Thanks for posting this information.=A0 Did the individual you spoke = with mention anything about how extensive this series will be?=A0 Will it = include everything ever written by JS or his scribes?=A0 Was there any mention = of things having to be edited out in order for the Church to support the project? Your comments about the previous two volumes being redone seems to = square with what's been happening at Deseret Book.=A0 Volume 1 has been = unavailable for sometime now and volume two was heavily discounted for a while in = order to sell them faster.=A0 I wondered for a while if the two volumes were = going out of print, but your comments shed a lot of light and make all the = pieces fit. Thanks, John =20 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: Papers of Joseph Smith Date: 21 Jun 2001 22:19:35 -0700 The good news and bad news through my gossip central: The series does seem to have good support and will be around 10 volumes. Each volume will also be made with sewn signatures instead of cheaply perfect bound like the current volumes I and II. They will also be bound in a different binding than the current ones. Sooooooo........the question is: Should those of us who bought Volumes I and II dump them? If the new volumes turn out to be edited, then the current volumes could escalate in value. But if the new ones are no different and in a binding that fits the set, then I predict the current volumes will have little value at all. What's a guy to do? There is a parallel. The Journal of Discourses was reprinted the first time by fundamentalists. They got through six volumes before the LDS Church figured out they better do it themselves. Though beautifully bound in 3/4 leather, I picked up all six for $15 a pop. Keith At 07:20 PM 6/21/01 -0700, Steve Eccles wrote: >The people I have talked to are all at BYU, so loyalty to the Church will >be high. I didn't ask about any editing or "shaping" of the material. I >hope that it is not heavily edited. > >AS far as the reprinting of the original two volumes, his comment was that >the originals were very poor books and fell apart if used very much. He >said Dean Jesse also never liked the dj "cartoon" character of Joseph >Smith, FWIW. > >--Steve - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] BoM manuscripts Date: 22 Jun 2001 10:48:34 -0500 http://newsnet.byu.edu/?story=3D31705=20 Valuable books containing the exact reproduction of the original and printer's manuscripts of the Book of Mormon are now available for purchase.=20 After nearly 13 years of research, Royal Skousen, professor of English and Linguistics, has completed the first two volumes of a four-volume work on the original and printer's manuscripts of the Book of Mormon.=20 Anyone seen these yet? What's the street price? Mick =20 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] BoM manuscripts Date: 22 Jun 2001 08:52:23 -0700 They were on display at MHA last month and available for sale at the = conference. They are big books and not too attractive. They run about = $100 each, I believe but don=92t recall exactly. --Steve -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mick Reasor Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 8:49 AM http://newsnet.byu.edu/?story=3D31705 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Valuable books = containing the exact =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 reproduction = of the original and =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 printer's = manuscripts of the Book of =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Mormon are now = available for =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 purchase. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 After nearly = 13 years of research, =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Royal Skousen, = professor of English =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 and = Linguistics, has completed the =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 first two = volumes of a four-volume =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 work on the = original and printer's =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 manuscripts of = the Book of =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Mormon. =A0Anyone seen these yet?=A0 What's the street price? Mick=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with -=A0=A0 "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message = body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"=20 - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] BoM manuscripts Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:09:31 -0500 Hundred bucks? Yup, that's valuable. Thanks, Mick Valuable books containing the exact reproduction of the original and printer's manuscripts of the Book of Mormon are now available for purchase. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jphatch" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: BoM manuscripts Date: 22 Jun 2001 16:56:25 GMT It's $59.95 for the Original Manuscript, which is one volume. It's $119.95 for the Printers Manuscript, which is two volumes. They are large, oversized volumes with blue cloth and a tiny bit of gilt embossing. They seem sturdy and well bound, but beyond that they aren't much to look at. At first I'd heard FARMS only printed about 500-700, which might actually make them collectible. I've now heard that they really printed several thousand. There is an introduction to the project, several color photographs of what remains of the original and printers manuscript, but the bulk of the book is simply a typescript of the manuscripts. The books are available at most of the usual places, I believe. Deseret Book has them, Benchmark, Sam Weller, etc. John - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJRom@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: BoM manuscripts Date: 22 Jun 2001 14:57:36 EDT --part1_12d.6a5c51.2864ef20_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A FARMS editor told me that they printed 2000 of each. Brian In a message dated 6/22/2001 10:53:31 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jphatch@freeport.com writes: > At first I'd heard FARMS only printed about 500-700, which might actually > make them collectible. I've now heard that they really printed several > thousand. > > There is an introduction to the project, several color photographs of what > remains of the original and printers manuscript, but the bulk of the book > is > simply a typescript of the manuscripts. The books are available at most of > the usual places, I believe. Deseret Book has them, Benchmark, Sam Weller, > etc. > --part1_12d.6a5c51.2864ef20_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A FARMS editor told me that they printed 2000 of each.

Brian

In a message dated 6/22/2001 10:53:31 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
jphatch@freeport.com writes:

At first I'd heard FARMS only printed about 500-700, which might actually
make them collectible. I've now heard that they really printed several
thousand.

There is an introduction to the project, several color photographs of what
remains of the original and printers manuscript, but the bulk of the book
is
simply a typescript of the manuscripts. The books are available at most of
the usual places, I believe. Deseret Book has them, Benchmark, Sam Weller,
etc.

--part1_12d.6a5c51.2864ef20_boundary-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: BoM manuscripts Date: 22 Jun 2001 13:47:09 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0FB21.D7853DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also heard from the rep at MHA that they would reprint as often as = necessary for demand. =20 --Steve =20 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = BJRom@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 11:58 AM =20 A FARMS editor told me that they printed 2000 of each.=20 Brian=20 In a message dated 6/22/2001 10:53:31 AM Mountain Daylight Time,=20 jphatch@freeport.com writes:=20 At first I'd heard FARMS only printed about 500-700, which might = actually=20 make them collectible. I've now heard that they really printed several=20 thousand.=20 There is an introduction to the project, several color photographs of = what=20 remains of the original and printers manuscript, but the bulk of the = book=20 is=20 simply a typescript of the manuscripts. The books are available at most = of=20 the usual places, I believe. Deseret Book has them, Benchmark, Sam = Weller,=20 etc.=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0FB21.D7853DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I also heard from the rep at MHA that they would reprint as often as = necessary for demand.

--Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = BJRom@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 22, = 2001 11:58 = AM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: BoM manuscripts

A FARMS editor told me that they printed 2000 of = each.

Brian=

In a message dated 6/22/2001<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> 10:53:31 = AM Mountain Daylight = Time,
jphatch@freeport.com writes:

At first I'd heard FARMS only printed about = 500-700, which might actually
make them collectible. I've now heard that they really = printed several
thousand.

There is an introduction to the project, several color photographs = of what
remains of the original and printers manuscript, but the bulk of = the book
is
simply a typescript of the manuscripts. The books are = available at most of
the usual places, I believe. Deseret Book has them, = Benchmark, Sam = Weller,
etc.

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0FB21.D7853DE0-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] LDS-Bookshelf Re: Extant and Extancy Date: 25 Jun 2001 13:25:55 -0700 I went through Peter Crawley's "A Descriptive Bibliography of the Mormon Church" and found at least a dozen broadsides and/or handbills that are no longer extant or at least not found. A few of these are quite interesting and interesting that they once existed up until 30 or so years ago. Example of these broadsides can be found in items 2, 31, 32, 36, ect.... What I found interesting is that three of the broadsides were for sale in Woodward's "Bibliothica Scallawagiana" such as item 167. A few items that are more signifigant than being a handbill or broadside is found in items 131, an almanac; 161, a pamphlet by Erastus Snow; 218, 219, & 220, all JS's political pamphlets; 237, a pamphlet by Rueben Hedlock and also the first Mormon book in Welsh; 290, a hymnal broadside that was in the NYPL but not found when Dale Morgan looked for it in 1947; 345, a hymnal for Lyman Wight's colony in Texas. BYU has a photocopy and this is where Crawley gets his info. Joe Frank Marotta writes: >This post reminds me of one of my favorite subjects regarding antiquarian >books and pamphlets. Specifically, I have interest in knowing what is >or is not extant (i.e., where extant means "Still existing; not destroyed >or lost"). > >So the question is this: what titles in 19th century LDS literature are >well documented as to their historical existence, but for which there are >no known extant copies? > >This Cowdery item, if genuine, would be a good example of a non-extant >item. > >In my mind (never spoken in the presence of others till now), I use the >term "extancy" as derivative of "extant" (e.g., "I would like to >determine the extancy of such and such a book"), but Webster forbids it, >providing the following as the sole definition of extancy: "the state of >rising above others; a projection". So perhaps a rebuke of my >butchering of the English language is in order; or perhaps someone else >can dare to use extancy as I do, and then we have coined a term and they >can print some new dictionaries! > >Frank Marotta _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"