From: "Phil" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Question Date: 06 Dec 2001 11:30:03 -0800 I have been trying to locate unbiased information on the history and genesis of the Palestinian crisis. Can someone recommend a book that details the history of this conflict without either an Arab or Jewish bias? I am surprised that even encyclopedias tip toe around some of the more controversial details. Please excuse me from straying from our LDS theme of books. Phil MERRY CHRISTMAS! - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Curt Bench Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Question Date: 06 Dec 2001 13:40:56 -0700 --------------077F49EB744E721A2C4A9653 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phil wrote: > I have been trying to locate unbiased information on the history and genesis > of the Palestinian crisis. Can someone recommend a book that details the > history of this conflict without either an Arab or Jewish bias? I am > surprised that even encyclopedias tip toe around some of the more > controversial details. Please excuse me from straying from our LDS theme of > books. > I highly recommend Thomas L. Friedman's From Beirut to Jerusalem, which won the National Book Award in 1988. He won 2 Pulitzer prizes for his reporting as bureau chief for the New York Times in Beirut & Jerusalem. His writing is very balanced and insightful into the core issues in the Middle East. He is a leading authority on international issues and recently wrote a book on "globalization" called The Lexus and the Olive Tree. Curt Bench --------------077F49EB744E721A2C4A9653 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Phil wrote:

I have been trying to locate unbiased information on the history and genesis
of the Palestinian crisis.  Can someone recommend a book that details the
history of this conflict without either an Arab or Jewish bias?  I am
surprised that even encyclopedias tip toe around some of the more
controversial details.  Please excuse me from straying from our LDS theme of
books.
 
I highly recommend Thomas L. Friedman's From Beirut to Jerusalem, which won the National Book Award in 1988.  He won 2 Pulitzer prizes for his reporting as bureau chief for the New York Times in Beirut & Jerusalem.  His writing is very balanced and insightful into the core issues in the Middle East.  He is a leading authority on international issues and recently wrote a book on "globalization" called The Lexus and the Olive Tree.

Curt Bench --------------077F49EB744E721A2C4A9653-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROY SCHMIDT" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Question Date: 06 Dec 2001 13:51:18 -0700 I second the motion. This is one of the few books that I, truly, could not put down. Roy Schmidt >>> Curt Bench 12/06/01 01:40PM >>> Phil wrote: > I have been trying to locate unbiased information on the history and genesis > of the Palestinian crisis. Can someone recommend a book that details the > history of this conflict without either an Arab or Jewish bias? I am > surprised that even encyclopedias tip toe around some of the more > controversial details. Please excuse me from straying from our LDS theme of > books. > I highly recommend Thomas L. Friedman's From Beirut to Jerusalem, which won the National Book Award in 1988. He won 2 Pulitzer prizes for his reporting as bureau chief for the New York Times in Beirut & Jerusalem. His writing is very balanced and insightful into the core issues in the Middle East. He is a leading authority on international issues and recently wrote a book on "globalization" called The Lexus and the Olive Tree. Curt Bench - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kim Leavitt" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Question Date: 06 Dec 2001 20:01:17 -0500 I'm not sure whether this site has book recommendations, but if you're looking for a different, interesting perspective, they certainly offer one. It's run by "Not in My Name," an organization of Jews for justice in the Middle East: http://www.nimn.org Kim -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Phil Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:30 PM I have been trying to locate unbiased information on the history and genesis of the Palestinian crisis. Can someone recommend a book that details the history of this conflict without either an Arab or Jewish bias? I am surprised that even encyclopedias tip toe around some of the more controversial details. Please excuse me from straying from our LDS theme of books. Phil MERRY CHRISTMAS! - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Hatch" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Another Question Date: 06 Dec 2001 21:23:48 -0700 With such a great response to Phil's question (I'm going to buy the book Curt mentioned and that Roy seconded) I thought I'd post my own off-topic book question. With the 60th anniversary of Pearl Harbor tomorrow, does anyone know of a book that is considered one of the best histories of the attack? Thanks! John - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sandysbo@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Another Question Date: 07 Dec 2001 00:44:10 EST John Hatch wrote: With such a great response to Phil's question (I'm going to buy the book Curt mentioned and that Roy seconded) I thought I'd post my own off-topic book question. With the 60th anniversary of Pearl Harbor tomorrow, does anyone know of a book that is considered one of the best histories of the attack? Thanks! John John-I highly recommend Day of Deceit by Robert B. Stinnet. An up to date analysis of that tragedy, accessing a great deal of information not previously published. George Phelps - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] History of America's Religions Date: 07 Dec 2001 14:25:42 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C17F2B.0D8F4920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please check this website (U of Illinois Press) for a book on America's Religions: http://www.press.uillinois.edu/f01/williams.html Has anyone seen this book yet? 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LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Question Date: 11 Dec 2001 14:06:03 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1824C.F86B6E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to Curt and others that responded to my inquiry. My computer has been acting strange for the last few days hampering my e-mail. (I discovered it was a faulty power supply giving me all sorts of errors.) I have a copy of "From Beirut to Jerusalem" and am looking forward to reading and learning more about this never-ending Palestinian conflict. BTW is Thomas Friedman Jewish and if so would this color and influence his presentation or should it matter to the reader? In the past I seem to remember heated discussions surrounding LDS authors and whether their lack of or their faithfulness should be considered while evaluating their books because of the possibility of the author's biases. Phil -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Curt Bench Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:41 PM Phil wrote: I have been trying to locate unbiased information on the history and genesis of the Palestinian crisis. Can someone recommend a book that details the history of this conflict without either an Arab or Jewish bias? I am surprised that even encyclopedias tip toe around some of the more controversial details. Please excuse me from straying from our LDS theme of books. I highly recommend Thomas L. Friedman's From Beirut to Jerusalem, which won the National Book Award in 1988. He won 2 Pulitzer prizes for his reporting as bureau chief for the New York Times in Beirut & Jerusalem. His writing is very balanced and insightful into the core issues in the Middle East. He is a leading authority on international issues and recently wrote a book on "globalization" called The Lexus and the Olive Tree. Curt Bench ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1824C.F86B6E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks to Curt and others = that responded to my inquiry.  = My computer has been acting strange for the last few days hampering my e-mail.  (I discovered it was a faulty = power supply giving me all sorts of errors.)  I have a copy of “From Beirut to = Jerusalem” and am looking forward to reading and learning more about this never-ending Palestinian = conflict.  BTW is Thomas Friedman Jewish = and if so would this color and influence his presentation or should it matter to = the reader?  In the past I = seem to remember heated discussions surrounding LDS authors and whether their = lack of or their faithfulness should be considered while evaluating their books = because of the possibility of the author’s biases. =

 

Phil 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Curt Bench
Sent: Thursday, December = 06, 2001 12:41 PM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [LDS-Bookshelf] Question

 

 

  <= /p>

Phil wrote: <= /p>

I have been trying to locate = unbiased information on the history and genesis
of the Palestinian crisis.  Can someone recommend a book that = details the
history of this conflict without either an Arab or Jewish bias?  I = am
surprised that even encyclopedias tip toe around some of the more
controversial details.  Please excuse me from straying from our LDS = theme of
books.
 

I = highly recommend Thomas L. Friedman's From = Beirut to Jerusalem, which won the National Book Award in = 1988.  He won 2 Pulitzer prizes for his reporting as bureau chief for the New York Times in Beirut & Jerusalem.  His writing is very balanced and insightful into the = core issues in the Middle East.  He is a leading authority on = international issues and recently wrote a book on "globalization" called = The Lexus and the Olive Tree. = <= /p>

Curt Bench<= /p>

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Roy Schmidt >>> "Phil" 12/11/01 03:06PM >>> Thanks to Curt and others that responded to my inquiry. My computer has been acting strange for the last few days hampering my e-mail. (I discovered it was a faulty power supply giving me all sorts of errors.) I have a copy of "From Beirut to Jerusalem" and am looking forward to reading and learning more about this never-ending Palestinian conflict. BTW is Thomas Friedman Jewish and if so would this color and influence his presentation or should it matter to the reader? In the past I seem to remember heated discussions surrounding LDS authors and whether their lack of or their faithfulness should be considered while evaluating their books because of the possibility of the author's biases. Phil -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Curt Bench Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:41 PM Phil wrote: I have been trying to locate unbiased information on the history and genesis of the Palestinian crisis. Can someone recommend a book that details the history of this conflict without either an Arab or Jewish bias? I am surprised that even encyclopedias tip toe around some of the more controversial details. Please excuse me from straying from our LDS theme of books. I highly recommend Thomas L. Friedman's From Beirut to Jerusalem, which won the National Book Award in 1988. He won 2 Pulitzer prizes for his reporting as bureau chief for the New York Times in Beirut & Jerusalem. His writing is very balanced and insightful into the core issues in the Middle East. He is a leading authority on international issues and recently wrote a book on "globalization" called The Lexus and the Olive Tree. Curt Bench - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Stocks" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Question Date: 11 Dec 2001 16:12:11 -0700 On 11 Dec 2001 at 15:22, ROY SCHMIDT stepped forward and addressed "RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Question": > Hi Phil, > > It has been a number of years since I read the book, but, as I > recall, Friedman is Jewish. I don't recall if he is practicing or not. > I felt he gave a pretty accurate description of what was going on, an > works hard to be objective, although I believe he is sympathetic to > the Jewish cause. As a result of the earlier discussions here, I finally pulled this book off my shelf and began reading it. Friedman is Jewish and addresses that pretty thoroughly in the book. Like many US Jews, he dropped out of serious activity after his bar mitzvah. Calls himself a "three-times-a- year" Jew (is it once on Rosh Hashanah and twice on Yom Kippur or the other way around??). He talks at some length first about being the NYT's first Jewish correspondent from the Middle East and then later about the effect of his Jewishness on his interactions with the Arab world during his five years as the Times correspondent in Beirut. I think he comes across as capable of objective reportage despite his ethnicity. -- Hugh Stocks hstocks@vii.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Miller Eccles Study Group Website Date: 13 Dec 2001 17:13:48 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C183F9.878329E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We've been trying for years to put together a good looking website. We have one up, and now I'd like to know if you think it is good looking. If you have a spare moment, take a look & give us your feedback. Thanks. --Steve www.mesg.tierranet.com PS Keith ... I'm up your way next week. I'll be in Ft. Bragg Monday, and in the SF area Tues. Let me know if you are free. 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LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Miller Eccles Study Group Website Date: 13 Dec 2001 20:54:37 EST In a message dated 12/13/01 8:14:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steve.Eccles2@verizon.net writes: << We've been trying for years to put together a good looking website. We have one up, and now I'd like to know if you think it is good looking. If you have a spare moment, take a look & give us your feedback. Thanks. --Steve >> What an impressive array of speakers you have had! On my computer, the left-hand, green colored menu appears to go lower than the bottom of the screen. I can see three topics (Mission, History, and [half-visible:] Previous Speakers). Am I missing any topics below those? I have also been working on a website lately, and finally have it up and running - a new, cleaner look, but most importantly, with unlimited space for pictures and other material as I find time to add it. Check it out at: www.rickgrunder.com . . . or, if easier to remember, this same site is also at: www.oldmormonbooks.com The "old" in the second URL above applies to, yours truly, Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Stocks" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Miller Eccles Study Group Website Date: 13 Dec 2001 20:28:47 -0700 On 13 Dec 2001 at 17:13, Steve Eccles stepped forward and proclaimed: > We've been trying for years to put together a good looking website. > > We have one up, and now I'd like to know if you think it is good > looking. If you have a spare moment, take a look & give us your > feedback. I like it. A nice, clean look, easy to use. Just one problem: the list of speakers seems woefully incomplete. I thought we were friends, Steve! -- Hugh Stocks hstocks@vii.com When evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Sanders Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Scallywag's Going out of business sale Date: 14 Dec 2001 10:43:29 -0700 Dear LDS Bookshelfers, Kent Walgren of Scallywag's Used and Rare Books here in Salt Lake has closed its doors. Kent intends to move to Paris sometime next year and had been trying to sell the shop. After a previous sale fell through, I have stepped in to liquidate his inventory for him. Effectively immediately, every book in the store is on sale at 25% off through December 31st. Larger discounts are available for volume purchasers. Beginning in Janurary, prices will be reduced further. The sale will continue until January 31st, though we may continue it through the Olympics and February as well. And No, at present I have not highgraded the stock, although I will do so at the end of December prior to reducing the prices. In conjunction with the Scallywag's sale, we are concurrently running a 25% off sale ay my shop. ALL Books, photos, maps, postcards, used and rare, everything in the shop, 25% off through December 31st only. This is the first sale we have had. Happy Holidays, Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Happy Birthday, Joseph Smith Date: 23 Dec 2001 21:01:31 EST Happy Birthday, Joseph Smith! December 23, 1805 "I, John D. Spring, M.D., have told a family story concerning Dr. Joseph Denison of South Royalton, Vermont, who delivered Joseph Smith, the founder of the Latter Day Saints. The story was told my mother by her aunt, Mrs. Louis Elder, who had cleared out the house of Dr. Denison after the death of him and his family. The report was bound in his account books of delivering a son for old Joe Smith. Under a later date he had put a note on the same entry saying 'If I had known how he was going to turn out I'd have smothered the little cuss.'" - Quoted in Larry C. Porter, A STUDY OF THE ORIGINS OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS IN THE STATES OF NEW YORK AND PENNSYLVANIA, 1816-1831. A DISSERTATION . . . Brigham Young University, 1971, p. 19. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Happy Birthday, Joseph Smith Date: 23 Dec 2001 18:29:45 -0800 Great citation, Rick. Merry Christmas, everyone! --Steve -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of RickBook@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 6:02 PM Happy Birthday, Joseph Smith! December 23, 1805 "I, John D. Spring, M.D., have told a family story concerning Dr. Joseph Denison of South Royalton, Vermont, who delivered Joseph Smith, the founder of the Latter Day Saints. The story was told my mother by her aunt, Mrs. Louis Elder, who had cleared out the house of Dr. Denison after the death of him and his family. The report was bound in his account books of delivering a son for old Joe Smith. Under a later date he had put a note on the same entry saying 'If I had known how he was going to turn out I'd have smothered the little cuss.'" - Quoted in Larry C. Porter, A STUDY OF THE ORIGINS OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS IN THE STATES OF NEW YORK AND PENNSYLVANIA, 1816-1831. A DISSERTATION . . . Brigham Young University, 1971, p. 19. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Christmas Date: 25 Dec 2001 17:17:47 EST Wishing all a joyous season with my second annual, Christmas at Magic Point http://www.rickgrunder.com/ChristmasMagicPoint/cmp.htm - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Christmas Date: 25 Dec 2001 16:42:12 -0800 Rick Thanks for sharing the beautiful snowy scenes. Here in So. California such scenes are few and far between. Is this a 2nd home? Merry Christmas! Phil -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of RickBook@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 2:18 PM Wishing all a joyous season with my second annual, Christmas at Magic Point http://www.rickgrunder.com/ChristmasMagicPoint/cmp.htm - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Christmas Date: 25 Dec 2001 23:54:26 EST In a message dated 12/25/01 7:46:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, pbradford@earthlink.net writes: << Rick Thanks for sharing the beautiful snowy scenes. Here in So. California such scenes are few and far between. Is this a 2nd home? Merry Christmas! Phil >> So glad you enjoyed it, Phil. It is my one and only home, about twenty minutes from downtown Syracuse, New York. Until a month ago, water would occasionally drip through the office ceiling at a point just in front of my desk, and about two feet from my shelves of very scarce and as-yet-undocumented Mormon Parallels books and pamphlets! I now have a brand new forty-year roof, and feel just mean enough to live the full term, making me good at least for age 93. Rick Grunder - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"