From: "ROY SCHMIDT" <SCHMIDLG@con2.byu.edu>
Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] 1830 Book of Mormon at Christie's
Date: 01 Apr 2002 09:34:29 -0700

I wonder if it went to a collector, or to a speculator.

Roy Schmidt

>>> irwinkw@earthlink.net 03/31/02 06:39PM >>>
Even if it's the Streeter copy, is the association worth a $27K
premium???? 



-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hugh J.
McKell
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 12:26 PM

At 09:24 PM 3/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:

Very interesting as col klink or was is sarg. schultz would say.  Is
is
before or after Christie's tacked on their 17.5 percent..........
The high bidder must have placed a great deal on the fact that this
was
the
'Streeter' copy. I don't know if I would have.

hugh




>Absolutely astounding.  I'd have guessed mid 50s.  
>
>The winner could have checked your website and saved 20 grand.
>
>Keith
>
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>RickBook@aol.com 
>Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 5:51 PM
>To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com 
>Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] 1830 Book of Mormon at Christie's
>
>
>For those who enjoy watching the 1830 Book of Mormon as it ebbs and
>flows at 
>auction, the copy at Christie's sold on Wednesday for $82,250 . . .
>
><A 
>HREF="http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/lotdetail.asp?intObject

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>D=3886
>
>778">Book of Mormon at Christie's</A>
>http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/lotdetail.asp?intObjectID=388

6
>778
>
>
>Rick Grunder
>
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From: Ken Sanders <ken@dreamgarden.com>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] 1830 Book of Mormon at Christie's
Date: 01 Apr 2002 07:48:35 -0700

Rick,

I know of three copies sold to the same individual for $225,000, but have not
heard of a BofM price higher than that here in Utah.  To my knowledge this is
a record.

I sold my first Book of Mormon back in the Cosmic Aeroplane days in the late
1970's for a then record $5,000.

By the way, I was offered two title pages from an 1830 the other day for
$30,000 apiece (I declined).

Ken Sanders

RickBook@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 3/31/02 8:41:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> irwinkw@earthlink.net writes:
>
> << Even if it's the Streeter copy, is the association worth a $27K
>  premium????  >>
>
>
> Association is nice, but not usually that nice!  Let us remember, however,
> that this appears from the photographs to be a marvelous copy.  Similarly
> fine copies were selling for all of $82,250 and more (I hear) in Utah a
> couple of years ago, though no such price ever came to me.
>
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From: "Keith Irwin" <irwinkw@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] 1830 Book of Mormon at Christie's
Date: 01 Apr 2002 20:13:20 -0800

Or someone with a passel of 1830s who wants to get the price level back
up.

Or an about-to-be-ex-wife of someone with a passel of 1830s who wants to
jack up the value of her husband's collection.  She will insist on a
cash settlement, of course.

Yep.  I'll bet that's it.  Anyone got a better explanation?

Keith

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ROY SCHMIDT
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 8:34 AM

I wonder if it went to a collector, or to a speculator.

Roy Schmidt

>>> irwinkw@earthlink.net 03/31/02 06:39PM >>>
Even if it's the Streeter copy, is the association worth a $27K
premium???? 



-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hugh J.
McKell
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 12:26 PM

At 09:24 PM 3/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:

Very interesting as col klink or was is sarg. schultz would say.  Is
is
before or after Christie's tacked on their 17.5 percent..........
The high bidder must have placed a great deal on the fact that this
was
the
'Streeter' copy. I don't know if I would have.

hugh




>Absolutely astounding.  I'd have guessed mid 50s.  
>
>The winner could have checked your website and saved 20 grand.
>
>Keith
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com 
>[mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of
>RickBook@aol.com 
>Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 5:51 PM
>To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com 
>Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] 1830 Book of Mormon at Christie's
>
>
>For those who enjoy watching the 1830 Book of Mormon as it ebbs and
>flows at 
>auction, the copy at Christie's sold on Wednesday for $82,250 . . .
>
><A 
>HREF="http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/lotdetail.asp?intObject

I
>D=3886
>
>778">Book of Mormon at Christie's</A>
>http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/lotdetail.asp?intObjectID=388

6
>778
>
>
>Rick Grunder
>
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From: RickBook@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] 1830 Book of Mormon at Christie's
Date: 01 Apr 2002 23:36:22 EST

In a message dated 4/1/02 11:15:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
irwinkw@earthlink.net writes:

<< Anyone got a better explanation? >>


While there are certainly speculators out there, I don't recall ever selling 
an 1830 Book of Mormon to one.  Would be happy to, but there are still so 
many people out there waiting for one for their collection (or one for each 
of their children).  At one point, I had about eight people sitting and 
waiting for a first edition - individuals capable of wiring money instantly.  
The Book of Mormon languishing on my website is the first example in years I 
haven't been able to sell in about twenty minutes (okay, two hours - 
sometimes the person isn't at home).  I received it for sale just in time to 
list it on the morning of September 11.  That anomaly in the market can't 
last forever.  We had a dip in the economy, but we will see the Book of 
Mormon back at recent prices within a reasonable period, I expect.

The most expensive one I sold was an exceptional copy about two years ago, at 
$75,000, and I had two customers who wanted it.  It was frustratingly 
amusing.  They were close friends from childhood, and both such gentlemen 
that each feared offending the other by buying the book which they knew the 
other wanted!  They were both private collectors whose motives were extremely 
spiritually-oriented (people of such substantial means that there was little 
if any thought of ever reselling the book).  That would characterize the vast 
majority of people to whom I have sold 1830 Books of Mormon, in fact.  At 
that time, I was told of a copy or two which had been sold for even more in 
Utah.  However, that was second-hand information from a trusted source.  I 
believed it when I heard it, but I can't prove it personally.  Perhaps the 
copies were only offered in the $80s and I misunderstood.

Rick

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From: RickBook@aol.com
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Astonishing
Date: 17 Apr 2002 21:14:20 EDT

The following interchange by e-mail [regarding an 1830 Book of Mormon I 
placed on eBay yesterday] . . .

<< Question-
    Hi. I am just curious... This is a very rare item you have. Very 
valuable. But I am just curious, why don't you donate it to the church? 
   Just curious,
[name witheld to protect the writer]>>


Well, it is about a $65,000 book.  Naturally, I do not own it, but am selling 
it for a wealthy owner.  Now, it would cost me about 15 months of my income, 
after taxes, to buy it.  Are you willing to buy it and donate it to the 
Church?

Rick

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From: Frank Marotta <fmarotta@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Astonishing
Date: 17 Apr 2002 21:25:36 -0400

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And then there is the other 1830 on Ebay right now, with this
description:

The following valuation and inspection of this rare 1830 First Edition
Book of Mormon was provided in 1994: "I have examined the 1830 First
Edition Book of Mormon that you recently purchased. I found the Book of
Mormon to be an authentic first printing. The book is in excellent
condition with little or no foxing. The printing is clear and easily
readable and their is (sic) no brittle pages. In fact, this is one of the
finest copies of the First Edition Book of Mormon that I have inspected
or appraised. The binding has been replaced a substantial time ago with a
leather binding that has been exquisitelly decorated with gold stamping.
The spine is tight and in fine condition.... Sincerely, F. Edward Bennett
Benco Co. Fine Art & Rare Books" 

Sitting at $50,500, reserve not met.

Oh, I like the payment terms:

Payment must be by cashier's check of Zions First National Bank, or First
National Bank of Omaha (402-341-0500). The book will be delivered to
designated agent of Buyer's choice in Omaha, Nebraska in exchange for
payment. 

frank marotta


On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:14:20 EDT RickBook@aol.com writes:
> The following interchange by e-mail [regarding an 1830 Book of Mormon 
> I 
> placed on eBay yesterday] . . .
> 
> << Question-
>     Hi. I am just curious... This is a very rare item you have. Very 
> 
> valuable. But I am just curious, why don't you donate it to the 
> church? 
>    Just curious,
> [name witheld to protect the writer]>>
> 
> 
> Well, it is about a $65,000 book.  Naturally, I do not own it, but 
> am selling 
> it for a wealthy owner.  Now, it would cost me about 15 months of my 
> income, 
> after taxes, to buy it.  Are you willing to buy it and donate it to 
> the 
> Church?
> 
> Rick
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From: "hjmckell" <hjmckell@xmission.com>
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Blood of the Prophets
Date: 25 Apr 2002 22:35:50 -0700

Hello fellow book collectors.
  
Will Bagley's new book on the Mountain Meadows Massacre: _Blood of the
Prophets_ to be published by the University of Oklahoma Press is
expected to be released in late July or August.
  
Will has asked Benchmark Books to help in publishing a limited edition
of his book.  We hope to have the signed, limited leather edition
ready at about the same time as the trade edition from UoO press.
The limited edition will be bound in green morocco with matching hand
made marbled endpapers. It will have the same spine and front cover
stamping as the trade edition. The book is being bound by Handbridge
Bindery in Austin TX.
  
We are giving bookshelf members a 'heads up' on this book as I expect
it to be over subscribed before publication. Those wishing to order
will be required to place a $100.00 deposit.
Please contact me privately if you are interested or want further
information.
  
best regards,
Hugh
>  
>  
> 
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From: "hjmckell" <hjmckell@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Blood of the Prophets
Date: 25 Apr 2002 22:37:50 -0700

Opps !!!
The Price is a mere $400.00




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> Hello fellow book collectors.
>   
> Will Bagley's new book on the Mountain Meadows Massacre: _Blood of the
> Prophets_ to be published by the University of Oklahoma Press is
> expected to be released in late July or August.
>   
> Will has asked Benchmark Books to help in publishing a limited edition
> of his book.  We hope to have the signed, limited leather edition
> ready at about the same time as the trade edition from UoO press.
> The limited edition will be bound in green morocco with matching hand
> made marbled endpapers. It will have the same spine and front cover
> stamping as the trade edition. The book is being bound by Handbridge
> Bindery in Austin TX.
>   
> We are giving bookshelf members a 'heads up' on this book as I expect
> it to be over subscribed before publication. Those wishing to order
> will be required to place a $100.00 deposit.
> Please contact me privately if you are interested or want further
> information.
>   
> best regards,
> Hugh
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From: "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" <medlund@ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Blood of the Prophets
Date: 27 Apr 2002 09:35:42 -0700 (PDT)

Hugh,
	Is this going to be the same printing (i.e. sheets) as the trade 
edition, or will only the binding and endpapers differ?

Mark


On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, hjmckell wrote:

> Hello fellow book collectors.
>   
> Will Bagley's new book on the Mountain Meadows Massacre: _Blood of the
> Prophets_ to be published by the University of Oklahoma Press is
> expected to be released in late July or August.
>   
> Will has asked Benchmark Books to help in publishing a limited edition
> of his book.  We hope to have the signed, limited leather edition
> ready at about the same time as the trade edition from UoO press.
> The limited edition will be bound in green morocco with matching hand
> made marbled endpapers. It will have the same spine and front cover
> stamping as the trade edition. The book is being bound by Handbridge
> Bindery in Austin TX.
>   
> We are giving bookshelf members a 'heads up' on this book as I expect
> it to be over subscribed before publication. Those wishing to order
> will be required to place a $100.00 deposit.
> Please contact me privately if you are interested or want further
> information.
>   
> best regards,
> Hugh
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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