From: Brian Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] John Hatch's Brief Review of Church DVD's Date: 01 Feb 2003 09:03:09 -0700 This post, forwarded from the Mormon-Library list without permission, answers some of the questions I raised a couple of weeks ago. I thought some of you might be interested. -- Brian Irwin Message: 3 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:17:14 -0700 From: "John Hatch" Here's a brief review of the Church archives DVD's. Be kind, I pumped it out pretty quickly. "Selected Collections from the Archives of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" Volume One, 38 DVD's $699 (Both volumes together are $1299, purchased separately they are $699 each) Edited and produced under the direction of Richard E. Turley, Jr. Selected Collections has been anticipated since Richard Turley announced at the May 2002 Mormon History Association meeting that Church archivists had been scanning in documents for eventual inclusion on a large collection of documents. In a conversation with Turley later, he noted that the collection would probably be 100 discs and would probably be DVD's rather than traditional CD-Rom. Why DVD instead of CD? The reason is simple: DVD's hold about 8 times that of traditional CD's. Volume One of this two volume collection is an outstanding and unprecedented collection of documents from the archives of the LDS church. Comprised of 38 DVD's, researchers get the following collections (I've abbreviated some of these items and haven't always included dates - for a more complete list, visit http://byustudies.byu.edu): DVD's 1-16 History of the Church from the Church Historians office 1839-circa 1882 DVD 17 Journal of the Church Historians office 1844-1879 DVD 18 General Church Minutes of the Historians office Church Architects office - William Weeks Nauvoo drawings and SL Temple drawings DVD 19: James Bleak, Annals of the Southern Utah Mission 1898-1907 Teachers Quorum Minutes 1834-1845 Kirtland High Council Minutes Pottowattamie High Priests Minutes Nauvoo Stake High Council Court Papers Winter Quarters records and correspondence Relief Society Minutes Revelation Collections DVD 20: Joseph Smith Collection 1827-1844 DVD 21-25: Brigham Young Letterpress Copybooks DVD 26: Joseph F. Smith Journal DVD 27-28: Joseph F. Smith Incoming Correspondence DVD 29-30: Joseph F. Smith Letterpress Copybooks DVD 31: Lorenzo Snow Journal and Letterbook Erastus Snow Journal Willard Richards Papers DVD 32-33: George A. Smith Papers DVD 34-35: Franklin D. Richards Journal DVD 36: Charles C. Rich Collection DVD 37: Amasa Lyman Collection DVD 38: J. Golden Kimball Journal The documents are in jpeg format and can be browsed through a very user friendly table of contents. The table of contents is laid out in HTML format, so it's easy to jump around using the various links and the "back" button of your Internet Explorer browser. The documents themselves are high resolution scans and are as easy to read as they ever will be. The publishers are also to be highly commended for not giving in to copyright paranoia: Any image can be saved onto a hard drive and even opened in a more advanced program like Adobe Photoshop. This allows users to play with brightness and contrast if needed to make things easier to read. As can be expected at any archives, a very limited number of pages occasionally have a black box over certain portions to preserve confidentiality. Conspiracy theorists will love this tidbit, but it is extremely rare. Further, there are no "silent omissions". If something is left out, it appears as a black box over text. Nothing is left out without the researcher knowing it. Because these are jpeg images of original documents, there is no way to search the text as if it were a typescript or text. Researchers will continue to go through the documents page by page, as they would at an archive. Some minor complaints: Each page has a vertical line of text that states something like: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Archives. While I can understand the desire and need to copyright each page, on occasion, this text (although light and in the background of the document) interferes with the text on the document page making certain words more difficult to read. I've used a total of 3 DVD-ROM drives to view these documents, all with slightly different results. On a laptop drive, two or three discs simply wouldn't read. I had to go to my desktop, which had no problem opening the disc. Yet another DVD-ROM had trouble running the autorun program. This is a very minor issue, as it's easy to go to the DVD contents in Windows Explorer and click on the table of contents. However, these various issues show the limitations of DVD-ROM technology, particularly as a variety of competing formats still exist in the marketplace - DVD, DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RAM, DVD-ROM, etc. Another issue: What is available and what isn't available at the Church archives has been, and probably always will be, an issue of contention and debate. Although this collection contains some incredible items, plenty of items are also left out. I'm not talking about random items, either. Some of the collections skip over years. For example, J. Golden Kimball's diary covers the years 1883-1887, then 1895-1908. I know Kimball kept a journal between 1888-1894 - why the omission? It's easy to complain about what isn't in any book or collection, and I suppose this is no exception. I only hope the Church will continue to release future collections in this tremendous format. John - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Zamorano auction Date: 05 Feb 2003 21:55:29 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2CD61.4FA6F9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just returned from the auction of the collection of Dan Volkman. Dan = had the only complete collection of 1st edition Zamorano 80 items in a = private collection. Actually, there were two concurrent auctions, one of the Zamorano 80 items and another of maps and two journals=20 =20 You can view the catalogs at the Sloan website http://www.dsloan.com =20 =20 Some highlights: =20 One of the two journals was the unpublished holograph diary of Dr. = George Sanderson, otherwise known as "Dr. Death" of the Mormon Battalion march. Fortunately, only BYU and U of U libraries bid on it and Greg Thompson = of the U emerged the winner. $44K plus 15% premium. This is a great = southwest item but as it turns out, there is little or no mention of the Mormons. Instead it has great observations about the Indian and Mexican cultures = and very precise observations about the geography. Will Bagley and Greg = spent 5 hours going through it page by page. =20 =20 Bookshelfer Mark Edlund put Will and Greg on to this item which was = buried at the end of a catalog of maps. =20 7 of the 17 maps went without an opening bid. Those that did sell = usually had only one bid. =20 =20 The Zamorano auction was a different story. The number of bidders was = about three times the number at the map auction. . A few highlights: =20 The exquisite copy of Lansford Hastings "Emigrants Guide" went for = $135,000 after spirited bidding. The copy of Joaquin Murietta, sold for $75,000 opening bid. Stunning since there is only one other known copy. Most amazing to me was that a rather ordinary copy of Tyler's "Mormon = Battalion" sold for $1800. =20 I bid on a copy of Ina Coolbrith's "Songs from the Golden Gate" = inscribed to the artist Maynard Dixon and his wife. I was prepared to go well beyond = the high estimate but so was another bidder who took every item he bid on. = No chance for me. I also ran into a buzz saw on a Bret Harte item with a letter from him. It wasn't my day. =20 Greg, on the other hand, had a field day. In addition to the fine manuscript, the items he bid on had little action and he was able to add some fine California items to their collection. =20 =20 For those who haven't seen a Dorothy Sloan catalog, these may be the = finest catalogs available. I think they are collectible just by themselves. =20 =20 A few other choice morsels: =20 An exquisite set of Bancroft's Works in the premium leather binding went = for $4000 A first edition of Twain's "Celebrated Jumping Frog." in an appropriate green binding went for $20,000. Reglamento California, the first laws governing California went for the opening bid of $125,000. =20 Keith=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2CD61.4FA6F9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just returned from the auction of the collection of Dan Volkman. =  Dan had the only complete collection of 1st edition Zamorano 80 items in a = private collection.  Actually, there were two concurrent auctions, one of = the Zamorano 80 items and another of maps and two journals

 

You can view the catalogs at the Sloan website http://www.dsloan.com

 

Some highlights:

 

One of the two journals was the unpublished holograph diary of  Dr. = George Sanderson, otherwise known as “Dr. Death” of the Mormon = Battalion march.  Fortunately, only BYU and U of U libraries bid on it and = Greg Thompson of the U emerged the winner.  $44K plus 15% premium.  = This is a great southwest item but as it turns out, there is little or no = mention of the Mormons.  Instead it has great observations about the Indian = and Mexican cultures and very precise observations about the = geography.  Will Bagley and Greg spent 5 hours going through it page by page.  =

 

Bookshelfer Mark Edlund put Will and Greg on to this item which was buried at the = end of a catalog of maps.

 

7 of the 17 maps went without an opening bid.  Those that did sell = usually had only one bid. 

 

The Zamorano auction was a different story.  The number of bidders was = about three times the number at the map auction.  .  A few = highlights:

 

The exquisite copy of Lansford Hastings “Emigrants Guide” went = for $135,000 after spirited bidding.  The copy of Joaquin Murietta, = sold for $75,000 opening bid.  Stunning since there is only one other known = copy.  Most amazing to me was that a rather ordinary copy of = Tyler’s “Mormon Battalion” sold for $1800.

 

I bid on a copy of Ina Coolbrith’s “Songs from the Golden = Gate” inscribed to the artist Maynard Dixon and his wife.  I was prepared = to go well beyond the high estimate but so was another bidder who took every = item he bid on.  No chance for me.  I also ran into a buzz saw on a = Bret Harte item with a letter from him.  It wasn’t my = day.

 

Greg, on the other hand, had a field day.  In addition to the fine = manuscript, the items he bid on had little action and he was able to add some fine = California items to their collection. 

 

For those who haven’t seen a Dorothy Sloan catalog, these may be the = finest catalogs available.  I think they are collectible just by themselves. 

 

A few other choice morsels:

 

An exquisite set of Bancroft’s Works in the premium leather binding = went for $4000

A first edition of Twain’s “Celebrated Jumping = Frog…” in an appropriate green binding went for $20,000.

Reglamento California, the first laws governing California went for = the opening bid of $125,000.

 

Keith

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2CD61.4FA6F9E0-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Zamorano auction Date: 06 Feb 2003 13:33:52 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2CE16.ADDF9A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Keith, Thanks for the report on the auction. I was really glad to see that U of U got the Sanderson journal, and I feel good knowing that I played a role, albeit small, in bringing such a nice item into their collection. I was hoping that not many of the Utah/Mormon collectors would see it, and it sounds like that may have happened, as there were only two bidders. I know Greg somewhat from my visits to Special Collections at the U of U, and also because his U of U basketball seats (and those of Floyd O'Neil) are in the row behind my dad's seats, and so I see him whenever I am in town and there is a game. He is a nice guy and he has brought some really great stuff to the U., most noticeably the Stegner collection. Mark -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:55 PM I just returned from the auction of the collection of Dan Volkman. Dan had the only complete collection of 1st edition Zamorano 80 items in a private collection. Actually, there were two concurrent auctions, one of the Zamorano 80 items and another of maps and two journals You can view the catalogs at the Sloan website http://www.dsloan.com Some highlights: One of the two journals was the unpublished holograph diary of Dr. George Sanderson, otherwise known as "Dr. Death" of the Mormon Battalion march. Fortunately, only BYU and U of U libraries bid on it and Greg Thompson of the U emerged the winner. $44K plus 15% premium. This is a great southwest item but as it turns out, there is little or no mention of the Mormons. Instead it has great observations about the Indian and Mexican cultures and very precise observations about the geography. Will Bagley and Greg spent 5 hours going through it page by page. Bookshelfer Mark Edlund put Will and Greg on to this item which was buried at the end of a catalog of maps. 7 of the 17 maps went without an opening bid. Those that did sell usually had only one bid. The Zamorano auction was a different story. The number of bidders was about three times the number at the map auction. . A few highlights: The exquisite copy of Lansford Hastings "Emigrants Guide" went for $135,000 after spirited bidding. The copy of Joaquin Murietta, sold for $75,000 opening bid. Stunning since there is only one other known copy. Most amazing to me was that a rather ordinary copy of Tyler's "Mormon Battalion" sold for $1800. I bid on a copy of Ina Coolbrith's "Songs from the Golden Gate" inscribed to the artist Maynard Dixon and his wife. I was prepared to go well beyond the high estimate but so was another bidder who took every item he bid on. No chance for me. I also ran into a buzz saw on a Bret Harte item with a letter from him. It wasn't my day. Greg, on the other hand, had a field day. In addition to the fine manuscript, the items he bid on had little action and he was able to add some fine California items to their collection. For those who haven't seen a Dorothy Sloan catalog, these may be the finest catalogs available. I think they are collectible just by themselves. A few other choice morsels: An exquisite set of Bancroft's Works in the premium leather binding went for $4000 A first edition of Twain's "Celebrated Jumping Frog..." in an appropriate green binding went for $20,000. Reglamento California, the first laws governing California went for the opening bid of $125,000. Keith ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2CE16.ADDF9A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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T= hanks for the report on the auction.  = I was really glad to see that U of U got the Sanderson journal, and I feel = good knowing that I played a role, albeit small, in bringing such a nice = item into their collection.  I was = hoping that not many of the Utah/Mormon collectors would see it, and it sounds = like that may have happened, as there were only two bidders. I know Greg = somewhat from my visits to Special Collections at the U of U, and also because = his U of U basketball seats (and those of Floyd O’Neil) are in the row = behind my dad’s seats, and so I see him whenever I am in town and there is a game.  He is a nice guy and he has = brought some really great stuff to the U., most noticeably the Stegner = collection.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Irwin [mailto:irwinkw@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, = February 05, 2003 11:55 PM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] = Zamorano auction

 

I just = returned from the auction of the collection of Dan Volkman.  Dan had the only = complete collection of 1st edition Zamorano 80 items in a private collection.  Actually, there were two concurrent auctions, one of the Zamorano = 80 items and another of maps and two journals =

 =

You can view = the catalogs at the Sloan website http://www.dsloan.com<= font color=3Dblack>=

 =

Some = highlights:=

 =

One of the = two journals was the unpublished holograph diary of  Dr. George Sanderson, = otherwise known as “Dr. Death” of the Mormon Battalion march.  = Fortunately, only BYU and U of U libraries bid on it and Greg Thompson of the U emerged the winner.  $44K plus 15% premium.  This is a great southwest = item but as it turns out, there is little or no mention of the Mormons.  = Instead it has great observations about the Indian and Mexican cultures and very = precise observations about the geography.  Will Bagley and Greg spent 5 = hours going through it page by page.  =

 =

Bookshelfer = Mark Edlund put Will and Greg on to this item which was buried at the end of a = catalog of maps.

 =

7 of the 17 = maps went without an opening bid.  Those that did sell usually had only one bid. 

 =

The Zamorano = auction was a different story.  The number of bidders was about three times = the number at the map auction.  .  A few highlights:=

 =

The exquisite = copy of Lansford Hastings “Emigrants Guide” went for $135,000 after = spirited bidding.  The copy of Joaquin Murietta, sold for $75,000 opening bid.  Stunning since there is only one other known copy.  = Most amazing to me was that a rather ordinary copy of Tyler’s = “Mormon Battalion” sold for $1800.

 =

I bid on a = copy of Ina Coolbrith’s “Songs from the Golden Gate” inscribed to = the artist Maynard Dixon and his wife.  I was prepared to go well beyond the high estimate = but so was another bidder who took every item he bid on.  No chance for = me.  I also ran into a buzz saw on a Bret Harte item with a letter from = him.  It wasn’t my day.

 =

Greg, on the = other hand, had a field day.  In addition to the fine manuscript, the items he = bid on had little action and he was able to add some fine California items to = their collection. 

 =

For those who = haven’t seen a Dorothy Sloan catalog, these may be the finest catalogs = available.  I think they are collectible just by themselves.  = =

 =

A few other = choice morsels:

 =

An exquisite = set of Bancroft’s Works in the premium leather binding went for = $4000=

A first = edition of Twain’s “Celebrated Jumping Frog…” in an = appropriate green binding went for $20,000.

Reglamento = California, the first laws governing California went for the opening bid of = $125,000.=

 =

Keith = =

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I know, = I know, these=20 aren't on the subject of books...

But they = made me=20 smile!!

Best!

Malcolm = - Distinctive=20 Books

CHURCH BULLETIN BLOOPERS

1. The Scouts are saving aluminum cans, = bottles and=20 other items to be recycled. Proceeds will be used to cripple=20 children.

2. Ladies Bible Study will be held = Thursday morning=20 at 10. All ladies are invited to lunch in the Fellowship Hall after the = B.S. is=20 done.

3. The pastor would appreciate it if the = ladies of=20 the congregation would lend him their electric girdles for the pancake = breakfast=20 next Sabbath.

4. Low Self Esteem Support Group will = meet Thursday=20 at 7 PM. Please use the back door.

5. The pastor will preach his farewell = message, after=20 which the choir will sing, "Break Forth Into Joy."

6. A songfest was hell at the Methodist = church=20 Wednesday.

7. Remember in prayer the many who are = sick of our=20 church and community.

8. The eighth-graders will be presenting=20 Shakespeare's Hamlet in the Church basement Friday at 7 PM. The = Congregation is=20 invited to attend this tragedy.

9. Thursday night Potluck Supper. Prayer = and=20 medication to follow.

10. The rosebud on the altar this morning = is to=20 announce the birth of David, the sin of Rev. and Mrs. Adams.

11. Tuesday at 4 PM there will be an ice = cream=20 social. All ladies giving milk will please come early.

12. A bean supper will be held on Tuesday = evening in=20 the church hall. Music will follow.

13. Mrs. Johnson will be entering the = hospital this=20 week for testes.

14. Please join us as we show our support = for Amy and=20 Alan who are preparing for the girth of their first child.

15. The Lutheran Men's group will meet at = 6 PM.=20 Steak, mashed potatoes, green beans, bread and dessert will be served = for a=20 nominal feel.

16. The Associate Minister unveiled the = church's new=20 tithing campaign slogan last Sunday: "I Upped My Pledge - Up = Yours."

17. Our next song is "Angels We Have = Heard Get=20 High."

18. The service will close with Little = Drops of=20 Water. One of the ladies will start quietly and the rest of the = congregation=20 will join in.

19. Eight new choir robes are currently = needed, due=20 to the addition of several new members and to the deterioration of some = older=20 ones.

20. The senior choir invites any member = of the=20 congregation who enjoys sinning to join the=20 choir.

------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2CEA7.2E16C660-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Zamorano auction Date: 08 Feb 2003 09:36:05 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C2CF55.80D66820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will also say that this was the most exciting and boring auction I've = ever attended. Exciting because of the great material. I went to the = preview and spent half an hour examining the Lansford Hastings Emigrant's Guide. This was a beautiful copy. Looked like it had gone on a shelf right = after printing. I don't know if I'll ever get to touch one of these again. = The catalog says there are only 10 known copies. Same for the Joaquin = Murrieta. The only other known copy is at Yale. For a bookshelfer, this was a spiritual experience. And of course, holding the Sanderson journal and reading his wonderful descriptions written in a flawless script, was = more than exciting. =20 The auction, though, was a dreadful bore. The first several maps went without a bid. Those that did sell had a single bid and went for low estimate. The low estimates, I should note, were not all that low and represented the reserve price. Dorothy Sloan conducted the auction personally. She likes to be in control of her auctions, which is = certainly understandable for an auction as significant as this. But she doesn't = have a strong voice and has the confusing habit of calling the bidder number after EVERY bid. It not only confused bidders but also got her confused = at time. Four items had to be re-bid because of errors. It was also = boring because of the lack of bidding. Most items sold for the opening bid. = Even Joaquin Murietta, one of two known copies, sold with a single bid. Not = much excitement there. =20 =20 Yesterday I went to the California Book Fair. This is an ABAA show in = SF that attracts dealers from all over the country and several European countries. Lot's of wonderful books but almost no Mormon items. Bookshelfer Ken Sanders had a much larger booth than last year. Emmett Harrington has made public the fact that he will be moving his shop from = San Francisco to the St. George area later this year. =20 =20 Keith =20 =20 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Edlund, = Mark J Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:34 AM =20 Keith, =20 Thanks for the report on the auction. I was really glad to see that U = of U got the Sanderson journal, and I feel good knowing that I played a role, albeit small, in bringing such a nice item into their collection. I was hoping that not many of the Utah/Mormon collectors would see it, and it sounds like that may have happened, as there were only two bidders. I = know Greg somewhat from my visits to Special Collections at the U of U, and = also because his U of U basketball seats (and those of Floyd O'Neil) are in = the row behind my dad's seats, and so I see him whenever I am in town and = there is a game. He is a nice guy and he has brought some really great stuff = to the U., most noticeably the Stegner collection. =20 Mark =20 -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:55 PM =20 I just returned from the auction of the collection of Dan Volkman. Dan = had the only complete collection of 1st edition Zamorano 80 items in a = private collection. Actually, there were two concurrent auctions, one of the Zamorano 80 items and another of maps and two journals=20 =20 You can view the catalogs at the Sloan website http://www.dsloan.com =20 =20 Some highlights: =20 One of the two journals was the unpublished holograph diary of Dr. = George Sanderson, otherwise known as "Dr. Death" of the Mormon Battalion march. Fortunately, only BYU and U of U libraries bid on it and Greg Thompson = of the U emerged the winner. $44K plus 15% premium. This is a great = southwest item but as it turns out, there is little or no mention of the Mormons. Instead it has great observations about the Indian and Mexican cultures = and very precise observations about the geography. Will Bagley and Greg = spent 5 hours going through it page by page. =20 =20 Bookshelfer Mark Edlund put Will and Greg on to this item which was = buried at the end of a catalog of maps. =20 7 of the 17 maps went without an opening bid. Those that did sell = usually had only one bid. =20 =20 The Zamorano auction was a different story. The number of bidders was = about three times the number at the map auction. . A few highlights: =20 The exquisite copy of Lansford Hastings "Emigrants Guide" went for = $135,000 after spirited bidding. The copy of Joaquin Murietta, sold for $75,000 opening bid. Stunning since there is only one other known copy. Most amazing to me was that a rather ordinary copy of Tyler's "Mormon = Battalion" sold for $1800. =20 I bid on a copy of Ina Coolbrith's "Songs from the Golden Gate" = inscribed to the artist Maynard Dixon and his wife. I was prepared to go well beyond = the high estimate but so was another bidder who took every item he bid on. = No chance for me. I also ran into a buzz saw on a Bret Harte item with a letter from him. It wasn't my day. =20 Greg, on the other hand, had a field day. In addition to the fine manuscript, the items he bid on had little action and he was able to add some fine California items to their collection. =20 =20 For those who haven't seen a Dorothy Sloan catalog, these may be the = finest catalogs available. I think they are collectible just by themselves. =20 =20 A few other choice morsels: =20 An exquisite set of Bancroft's Works in the premium leather binding went = for $4000 A first edition of Twain's "Celebrated Jumping Frog." in an appropriate green binding went for $20,000. Reglamento California, the first laws governing California went for the opening bid of $125,000. =20 Keith=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C2CF55.80D66820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I will also say that this was the = most exciting and boring auction I’ve ever attended.  Exciting = because of the great material.  I went to the preview and spent half an hour examining the Lansford Hastings Emigrant’s Guide.  This was a beautiful copy.  Looked like it had gone on a shelf right after = printing.  I don’t know if I’ll ever get to touch one of these again. =  The catalog says there are only 10 known copies.  Same for the Joaquin Murrieta.  The only other known copy is at Yale.  For a = bookshelfer, this was a spiritual experience.  And of course, holding the = Sanderson journal and reading his wonderful descriptions written in a flawless = script, was more than exciting.

 

The auction, though, was a dreadful bore.  The first several maps went without a bid.  Those that = did sell had a single bid and went for low estimate. The low estimates, I = should note, were not all that low and represented the reserve price.  = Dorothy Sloan conducted the auction personally.  She likes to be in control = of her auctions, which is certainly understandable for an auction as = significant as this.  But she doesn’t have a strong voice and has the = confusing habit of calling the bidder number after EVERY bid.  It not only = confused bidders but also got her confused at time.  Four items had to be = re-bid because of errors.  It was also boring because of the lack of bidding.  Most items sold for the opening bid.  Even Joaquin = Murietta, one of two known copies, sold with a single bid.  Not much = excitement there. 

 

Yesterday I went to the California = Book Fair.  This is an ABAA show in SF that attracts dealers from all = over the country and several European countries.  Lot’s of = wonderful books but almost no Mormon items.  Bookshelfer Ken Sanders had a = much larger booth than last year.  Emmett Harrington has made public the = fact that he will be moving his shop from San Francisco to the St. = George area later this year. 

 

Keith

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Edlund, Mark J
Sent: Thursday, February = 06, 2003 11:34 AM
To: 'lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: = [LDS-Bookshelf] Zamorano auction

 

Keith,

 

Thanks for the report on the auction.  I was really glad to see that U of U got = the Sanderson journal, and I feel good knowing that I played a role, albeit = small, in bringing such a nice item into their collection.  I was hoping = that not many of the Utah/Mormon collectors would see it, and it sounds like that = may have happened, as there were only two bidders. I know Greg somewhat from = my visits to Special Collections at the U of U, and also because his U of U basketball seats (and those of Floyd O’Neil) are in the row behind = my dad’s seats, and so I see him whenever I am in town and there is a game.  He is a nice guy and he has brought some really great stuff = to the U., most noticeably the Stegner collection.

 

Mark

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Irwin [mailto:irwinkw@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February = 05, 2003 11:55 PM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] = Zamorano auction

 

I just = returned from the auction of the collection of Dan Volkman.  Dan had the only = complete collection of 1st edition Zamorano 80 items in a private collection.  Actually, there were two concurrent auctions, one of the Zamorano = 80 items and another of maps and two journals

 

You can view = the catalogs at the Sloan website http://www.dsloan.com

 

Some = highlights:

 

One of the two = journals was the unpublished holograph diary of  Dr. George Sanderson, = otherwise known as “Dr. Death” of the Mormon Battalion march.  Fortunately, only BYU and U of U libraries bid on it and Greg Thompson = of the U emerged the winner.  $44K plus 15% premium.  This is a great southwest item but as it turns out, there is little or no mention of the Mormons.  Instead it has great observations about the Indian and = Mexican cultures and very precise observations about the geography.  Will = Bagley and Greg spent 5 hours going through it page by page.  =

 

Bookshelfer = Mark Edlund put Will and Greg on to this item which was buried at the end of a = catalog of maps.

 

7 of the 17 = maps went without an opening bid.  Those that did sell usually had only one bid. 

 

The Zamorano = auction was a different story.  The number of bidders was about three times the = number at the map auction.  .  A few highlights:

 

The exquisite = copy of Lansford Hastings “Emigrants Guide” went for $135,000 after spirited bidding.  The copy of Joaquin Murietta, sold for $75,000 opening bid.  Stunning since there is only one other known copy.  Most amazing to me was that a rather ordinary copy of Tyler’s = “Mormon Battalion” sold for $1800.

 

I bid on a = copy of Ina Coolbrith’s “Songs from the Golden Gate” inscribed to = the artist Maynard Dixon and his wife.  I was prepared to go well = beyond the high estimate but so was another bidder who took every item he bid = on.  No chance for me.  I also ran into a buzz saw on a Bret Harte item = with a letter from him.  It wasn’t my day.

 

Greg, on the = other hand, had a field day.  In addition to the fine manuscript, the items he = bid on had little action and he was able to add some fine California items to = their collection. 

 

For those who haven’t seen a Dorothy Sloan catalog, these may be the finest = catalogs available.  I think they are collectible just by themselves.  =

 

A few other = choice morsels:

 

An exquisite = set of Bancroft’s Works in the premium leather binding went for $4000

A first = edition of Twain’s “Celebrated Jumping Frog…” in an = appropriate green binding went for $20,000.

Reglamento = California, the first laws governing California went for the opening bid of = $125,000.

 

Keith =

------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C2CF55.80D66820-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Philip Bradford" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Zamorano auction Date: 08 Feb 2003 10:20:02 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C2CF5B.A4900270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wonder if the reason there were few bids is the state of the economy. This three year bear market has caused substantial stock market losses causing discretionary spending to be curtailed. To those out there buying and selling books, has the weak economy affected your business or are people still buying as much as ever? Phil I will also say that this was the most exciting and boring auction I've ever attended. Exciting because of the great material. I went to the preview and spent half an hour examining the Lansford Hastings Emigrant's Guide. This was a beautiful copy. Looked like it had gone on a shelf right after printing. I don't know if I'll ever get to touch one of these again. The catalog says there are only 10 known copies. Same for the Joaquin Murrieta. The only other known copy is at Yale. For a bookshelfer, this was a spiritual experience. And of course, holding the Sanderson journal and reading his wonderful descriptions written in a flawless script, was more than exciting. The auction, though, was a dreadful bore. The first several maps went without a bid. Those that did sell had a single bid and went for low estimate. The low estimates, I should note, were not all that low and represented the reserve price. Dorothy Sloan conducted the auction personally. She likes to be in control of her auctions, which is certainly understandable for an auction as significant as this. But she doesn't have a strong voice and has the confusing habit of calling the bidder number after EVERY bid. It not only confused bidders but also got her confused at time. Four items had to be re-bid because of errors. It was also boring because of the lack of bidding. Most items sold for the opening bid. Even Joaquin Murietta, one of two known copies, sold with a single bid. Not much excitement there. Yesterday I went to the California Book Fair. This is an ABAA show in SF that attracts dealers from all over the country and several European countries. Lot's of wonderful books but almost no Mormon items. Bookshelfer Ken Sanders had a much larger booth than last year. Emmett Harrington has made public the fact that he will be moving his shop from San Francisco to the St. George area later this year. Keith -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Edlund, Mark J Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:34 AM Keith, Thanks for the report on the auction. I was really glad to see that U of U got the Sanderson journal, and I feel good knowing that I played a role, albeit small, in bringing such a nice item into their collection. I was hoping that not many of the Utah/Mormon collectors would see it, and it sounds like that may have happened, as there were only two bidders. I know Greg somewhat from my visits to Special Collections at the U of U, and also because his U of U basketball seats (and those of Floyd O'Neil) are in the row behind my dad's seats, and so I see him whenever I am in town and there is a game. He is a nice guy and he has brought some really great stuff to the U., most noticeably the Stegner collection. Mark -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:55 PM I just returned from the auction of the collection of Dan Volkman. Dan had the only complete collection of 1st edition Zamorano 80 items in a private collection. Actually, there were two concurrent auctions, one of the Zamorano 80 items and another of maps and two journals You can view the catalogs at the Sloan website http://www.dsloan.com Some highlights: One of the two journals was the unpublished holograph diary of Dr. George Sanderson, otherwise known as "Dr. Death" of the Mormon Battalion march. Fortunately, only BYU and U of U libraries bid on it and Greg Thompson of the U emerged the winner. $44K plus 15% premium. This is a great southwest item but as it turns out, there is little or no mention of the Mormons. Instead it has great observations about the Indian and Mexican cultures and very precise observations about the geography. Will Bagley and Greg spent 5 hours going through it page by page. Bookshelfer Mark Edlund put Will and Greg on to this item which was buried at the end of a catalog of maps. 7 of the 17 maps went without an opening bid. Those that did sell usually had only one bid. The Zamorano auction was a different story. The number of bidders was about three times the number at the map auction. . A few highlights: The exquisite copy of Lansford Hastings "Emigrants Guide" went for $135,000 after spirited bidding. The copy of Joaquin Murietta, sold for $75,000 opening bid. Stunning since there is only one other known copy. Most amazing to me was that a rather ordinary copy of Tyler's "Mormon Battalion" sold for $1800. I bid on a copy of Ina Coolbrith's "Songs from the Golden Gate" inscribed to the artist Maynard Dixon and his wife. I was prepared to go well beyond the high estimate but so was another bidder who took every item he bid on. No chance for me. I also ran into a buzz saw on a Bret Harte item with a letter from him. It wasn't my day. Greg, on the other hand, had a field day. In addition to the fine manuscript, the items he bid on had little action and he was able to add some fine California items to their collection. For those who haven't seen a Dorothy Sloan catalog, these may be the finest catalogs available. I think they are collectible just by themselves. A few other choice morsels: An exquisite set of Bancroft's Works in the premium leather binding went for $4000 A first edition of Twain's "Celebrated Jumping Frog." in an appropriate green binding went for $20,000. Reglamento California, the first laws governing California went for the opening bid of $125,000. Keith ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C2CF5B.A4900270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I wonder if the reason there were = few bids is the state of the economy.  This three year bear market has = caused substantial stock market losses causing discretionary spending to be = curtailed.  To those out there buying and selling books, has the weak economy = affected your business or are people still buying as much as ever?

 

Phil 

 

 

I will also say = that this was the most exciting and boring auction I’ve ever attended.  Exciting because of the great material.  I went to the preview and = spent half an hour examining the Lansford Hastings Emigrant’s = Guide.  This was a beautiful copy.  Looked like it had gone on a shelf right = after printing.  I don’t know if I’ll ever get to touch one = of these again.  The catalog says there are only 10 known copies.  Same = for the Joaquin Murrieta.  The only other known copy is at Yale.  = For a bookshelfer, this was a spiritual experience.  And of course, = holding the Sanderson journal and reading his wonderful descriptions written in a = flawless script, was more than exciting.

 

The auction, = though, was a dreadful bore.  The first several maps went without a bid.  = Those that did sell had a single bid and went for low estimate. The low = estimates, I should note, were not all that low and represented the reserve = price.  Dorothy Sloan conducted the auction personally.  She likes to be in control of her auctions, which is certainly understandable for an = auction as significant as this.  But she doesn’t have a strong voice and = has the confusing habit of calling the bidder number after EVERY bid. =  It not only confused bidders but also got her confused at time.  Four = items had to be re-bid because of errors.  It was also boring because of the = lack of bidding.  Most items sold for the opening bid.  Even Joaquin Murietta, one of two known copies, sold with a single bid.  Not = much excitement there. 

 

Yesterday I went = to the California Book Fair.  This is an ABAA show in SF that attracts = dealers from all over the country and several European countries. =  Lot’s of = wonderful books but almost no Mormon items.  Bookshelfer Ken Sanders had a = much larger booth than last year.  Emmett Harrington has made public the = fact that he will be moving his shop from San Francisco to the St. = George area later this year. 

 

Keith

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Edlund, Mark = J
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:34 = AM
To: 'lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: = [LDS-Bookshelf] Zamorano auction

 

Keith,

 

Thanks for the report on the auction.  I was really glad to see that U of U got = the Sanderson journal, and I feel good knowing that I played a role, albeit = small, in bringing such a nice item into their collection.  I was hoping = that not many of the Utah/Mormon collectors would see it, and it sounds like that = may have happened, as there were only two bidders. I know Greg somewhat from = my visits to Special Collections at the U of U, and also because his U of U basketball seats (and those of Floyd O’Neil) are in the row behind = my dad’s seats, and so I see him whenever I am in town and there is a game.  = He is a nice guy and he has brought some really great stuff to the U., most noticeably the Stegner collection.

 

Mark

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Irwin [mailto:irwinkw@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:55 = PM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] = Zamorano auction

 

I just = returned from the auction of the collection of Dan Volkman.  Dan had the only = complete collection of 1st edition Zamorano 80 items in a private collection. =  Actually, there were two concurrent auctions, one of the Zamorano 80 items and another = of maps and two journals

 

You can view = the catalogs at the Sloan website http://www.dsloan.com

 

Some = highlights:

 

One of the two = journals was the unpublished holograph diary of  Dr. George Sanderson, = otherwise known as “Dr. Death” of the Mormon Battalion march.  Fortunately, only BYU and U of U libraries bid on it and Greg Thompson = of the U emerged the winner.  $44K plus 15% premium.  This is a great southwest item but as it turns out, there is little or no mention of the Mormons.  Instead it has great observations about the Indian and = Mexican cultures and very precise observations about the geography.  Will Bagley and = Greg spent 5 hours going through it page by page. 

 

Bookshelfer = Mark Edlund put Will and Greg on to this item which was buried at the end of a = catalog of maps.

 

7 of the 17 = maps went without an opening bid.  Those that did sell usually had only one bid. 

 

The Zamorano = auction was a different story.  The number of bidders was about three times the = number at the map auction.  .  A few highlights:

 

The exquisite = copy of Lansford Hastings “Emigrants Guide” went for $135,000 after spirited bidding.  The copy of Joaquin Murietta, sold for $75,000 = opening bid.  Stunning since there is only one other known copy.  Most amazing to me was that a rather ordinary copy of Tyler’s “Mormon Battalion” sold for = $1800.

 

I bid on a = copy of Ina Coolbrith’s “Songs from the Golden Gate” inscribed to = the artist Maynard Dixon and his wife.  I was prepared to go well = beyond the high estimate but so was another bidder who took every item he bid = on.  No chance for me.  I also ran into a buzz saw on a Bret Harte item = with a letter from him.  It wasn’t my day.

 

Greg, on the = other hand, had a field day.  In addition to the fine manuscript, the items he = bid on had little action and he was able to add some fine California items to their = collection. 

 

For those who haven’t seen a Dorothy Sloan catalog, these may be the finest = catalogs available.  I think they are collectible just by themselves.  =

 

A few other = choice morsels:

 

An exquisite = set of Bancroft’s Works in the premium leather binding went for = $4000

A first = edition of Twain’s “Celebrated Jumping Frog…” in an = appropriate green binding went for $20,000.

Reglamento = California, the first laws governing = California went for the opening bid of = $125,000.

 

Keith =

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They told the dealer to = ship the book and they'd stake it out, which they did, and they nailed the = guy. =20 What Ken doesn't know is that the Chief of Detectives is my Elders = Quorum President. He is a big fan of John Steinbeck and his prized possession = is a 1st edition of The Grapes of Wrath. Further, in our last meeting, he = and I got into a lengthy conversation about book scams, especially involving = phony payments. This crook picked the wrong city to do his scam. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Ken Sanders & the Grapes of Wrath Date: 11 Feb 2003 19:41:17 -0700 Dear Keith, There's a story here but I'm not ready to tell it. As the security chair for the ABAA, i seem to spend most of my life these days dealing with stolen books, book fraud and forgeries in the book trade. Regarding the Grapes of Wrath, there were actually two stolen Grapes both from the same day. The one in the newspaper, an article we didn't want run because although we had the guy arrested, he bailed out and we would prefer any publicity be after he's had his hearing and is put away, but the reality is I have no control over that. When tracked down in the bay area by the reporter, i attempted to put as much spin on the story as possible and really was not forthcoming with the reporter. For reasons already stated, my goal is to catch a thief. It's a much more fascinating story than revealed so far and will eventually find its way into print. The second Grapes of Wrath involved a northern California bookdealer and a bay area thief and the book was in fact recovered and returned to the owner, as of last Friday, during the book fair. The Book of Mormon on ebay, a ba-zillion other cases of fraud, deceit and intrigue, God I wish I could tell, but not yet. Regarding the Dorothy Sloan Mormon Batallion diary auction, I hate to tell you guys but this item was not a secret. BYU and the UofU duked it out for sure, there were no other serious bidders; without them it would not have met reserve. And I'm sure the University would want you to know that the money expended on the diary came from a private donor and was not tax payer dollars. The articles in the paper have not made this clear and my guess is that the Utah legislature (currently in session) will punish the University for this misstatement. Back to the San Jose detective for a moment, Detective Kenneth Munson, of the High Tech Crime Unit of the San Jose California PD, I have nothing but high praise for him in this particular case (other than what he told the reporter, prematurely to my mind). It is incredibly refreshing to have a member of the law enforcement community take book theft seriously for a change. When I write this caper up, i think part of the title will be..."A Trilogy of Kens". (Ken Lopez was the intended victim of this scam). Oh, and I should add, that the alleged book thief, John C. Gilkey, of California, is in fact an alleged book thief, and is alleged to have been involved (allegedly) in numerous book frauds in California going back a number of years, and is currently on probation for writing bad checks to booksellers (this fact, not alleged). Govern yourselves accordingly, Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Keith Irwin wrote: > Bookshelfer Ken made the front page of the San Jose Mercury News today. > Seems an eastern dealer sold a first edition of The Grapes of Wrath to a guy > here in Silicon Valley who paid with a stolen credit card number and wanted > the book shipped to the local Westin hotel. Reading between the lines, I > take it that the dealer (an ABAA member) smelled a rat and got in touch with > Ken who called the police here in San Jose. They told the dealer to ship > the book and they'd stake it out, which they did, and they nailed the guy. > > What Ken doesn't know is that the Chief of Detectives is my Elders Quorum > President. He is a big fan of John Steinbeck and his prized possession is a > 1st edition of The Grapes of Wrath. Further, in our last meeting, he and I > got into a lengthy conversation about book scams, especially involving phony > payments. This crook picked the wrong city to do his scam. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ADDA CHILE" Subject: SOLICITE FONDO-PANTALLA DE REGALO Date: 13 Feb 2003 13:02:04 Untitled Document
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I have some copies available for $40 + $3 shipping, if anyone is interested.=

Brian


 --part1_136.1b441879.2b8e919b_boundary-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing Date: 26 Feb 2003 17:46:57 -0600 =20 =A0=20 This is a very tough book to find in the 1st edition.=A0 It is nicely = printed, letterpress, in a slipcase.=A0 The original printing was 160, = but most of these went to institutions.=A0=A0 I would be surprised if = there are over 50 extant in private hands, and it is likely that the = majority of these belong to bookdealers.=A0 I have only seen 2 copies = for sale in the past decade--both of which I bought.=20 The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken = Sanders, when I upgraded.=A0 (Before I bought the book Rick warned me = that "the spine looks like hell".=A0 My current copy is pristne, in the = original slipcase.=A0 I got it at the Rosenstock sale. Anyway, it is good to see that Martino has re-published it, although I = would think that most of it has been superceded by Richard Saunder's = book.. BTW, this is my list of rarest/most valuable bibliographies on the = Mormons and Utah, done on the fly--let me know what I have left out. 1)=A0 Bibliotheca Scallawagiana=20 2)=A0 NYPL list of books relating to the Mormons=20 3)=A0 McMurtrie=20 4)=A0 Lynn Jacob's bibliography of Non-English scripture.=A0=20 Numbers 1 and 2 have no real bibliographical information that you can't = obtain elsewhere, although (1) is quite humorous in places.=A0 Charles = Woodward must have been quite a caustic fellow.=A0 (3) is a nice piece = of scholarship by one of the great Americana bibliographers of this = century.=A0 (4) is indispensable for what it covers. Other items in this genre that are scarce are the Eberstadt list on the = Mormons, and the catalogues from the Auerbach sale. Mark=20 =A0=20 -----Original Message----- Sent: 2/26/2003 3:54 PM in Utah Martino Publishing, known for its bibliographic reprints, has published a hardcover reprint of Douglas McMurtrie's "The Beginnings of Printing in Utah with a Bibliography of the Issues of the Utah Press, = 1849-1860." It was originally published in 1931 in a limited edition of 160 copies and has never been reprinted until now. Martino just published an initial printing of 50 copies and sells them for $50. If you want more information on the book, you can go to the publisher's web site at: http://www.martinopublishing.com/mdescription.htm#mcmurtrieutah =20 I have some copies available for $40 + $3 shipping, if anyone is interested. Brian - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Stocks" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah Date: 26 Feb 2003 18:53:11 -0500 YES. I'll take one. I used this a lot in my earlier research, and I'd like to add it to my collection, even in reprint. Give my best to the Westerners. Hugh On 26 Feb 2003 at 16:54, BJRom@aol.com stepped forward and proclaimed: > > Martino Publishing, known for its bibliographic reprints, has > published a hardcover reprint of Douglas McMurtrie's "The Beginnings > of Printing in Utah with a Bibliography of the Issues of the Utah > Press, 1849-1860." It was originally published in 1931 in a limited > edition of 160 copies and has never been reprinted until now. Martino > just published an initial printing of 50 copies and sells them for > $50. If you want more information on the book, you can go to the > publisher's web site at: > http://www.martinopublishing.com/mdescription.htm#mcmurtrieutah > > I have some copies available for $40 + $3 shipping, if anyone is > interested. > > Brian > > -- Hugh Stocks hstocks@fuse.net - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] MMM Date: 26 Feb 2003 18:20:20 -0600 Has anyone noted the astonishing number of works related to the MMM that have come out, or are slated to come out? (BTW, has anyone else noted that "astonishing" is one of Will Bagley's favorite words?) Here is what I count so far: 2 Novels--"Red Water" and "The Ferry Woman". I have not read The Ferry Woman, but Red Water is a great read, highly recommended by me and my wife. 3 history books--the bio of Klingensmith, Kent Fielding's book on the Tribune reports of the trials, and Will's book. 1 movie documentary--shown at U of U last week--anyone have a chance to see it? 1 play--I can't remember the title, but I saw it in LA a year or so ago. 3 re-prints of the Carleton report. One by Dave Hellyers at Bee Creek Books, one printed by the AHC as a seperate off-print, and one re-printed in the AHC series that David White did. Five other books are in the works that I know of: 1) Bagley's documentary history of MMM, to be included in the KITW series 2) The Turley/Leonard/Walker book 3) A history to be published by Knopf--according to Will, this book will make Will's look faith promoting 4) 2 books by the forensic pathologist who examined the MMM bones. Astonishing! Mark - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] More MMM Date: 26 Feb 2003 18:29:46 -0600 I forgot to mention that the John Whitmer Historical Association is doing a special roundtable session on the MMM at this years conference. As far as I know, Will Bagley, Rob Briggs, and Michael Quinn will be the discussants. The people from JWHA tried very hard to get one of the Turley/Leonard/Walker trio, or anyone else from the church, but each individual turned them down, or did not respond at all to the invitation. The word on the street is that is that the church folks, for whatever reason, will not appear with Bagley in public forums. In any event, it should be a dynamite event with a variety of viewpoints. As we know from Sunstone, Rob Briggs sees MMM differently than Will, and in the brief talks I have had with Michael on the MMM, it appears to me that he also departs from Will's interpretations. Mark - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah Date: 26 Feb 2003 21:24:22 EST In a message dated 2/26/03 6:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: << The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken=20 Sanders, when I upgraded.=A0 (Before I bought the book Rick warned me that "= the=20 spine looks like hell".=A0 >> Years ago, I tried to explain the Mormon hereafter to a friend. I listed th= e=20 three kingdoms of heaven, and their likely citizens, explaining that even th= e=20 Telestial Kingdom is supposed to be better than this life. My Protestant=20 friend quipped, "So you Mormons don't really have a hell - just Heaven-ghetto." RickBook - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJRom@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] MMM Date: 27 Feb 2003 11:48:10 EST --part1_94.34d624fd.2b8f9b4a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In fact, there's even a few more recent titles: Yet a 3rd recent novel--Marilyn Brown's _Wine-Dark Sea of Grass_ At least 2 reprints of John D. Lee's writings A weak follow-on to Backus's so-called biography of Klingensmith (Through Bonds of Love: In the Shadow of the Mountain Meadows Massacre) Southern Utah University's publication _A New Look at Old Sites on Mountain Meadows_ by Morris A. Shirts and Frances Anne Smeath (SUU Press announced this as "the first in a series of monographs on Mountain Meadows.") I presume the upcoming Knopf book you mention is the Sally Denton's. She published a 10-page article in American Heritage 52 (Oct 2001) that gave a flavor of what to expect from her. Mark, you mention two forthcoming books from the forensic pathologist. Why would there need to be two? Is one academic and the other for general readership? Brian In a message dated 2/26/2003 5:20:59 PM Mountain Standard Time, EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: > > Has anyone noted the astonishing number of works related to the MMM that > have come out, or are slated to come out? (BTW, has anyone else noted that > "astonishing" is one of Will Bagley's favorite words?) > > Here is what I count so far: > > 2 Novels--"Red Water" and "The Ferry Woman". I have not read The Ferry > Woman, but Red Water is a great read, highly recommended by me and my wife. > > 3 history books--the bio of Klingensmith, Kent Fielding's book on the > Tribune reports of the trials, and Will's book. > > 1 movie documentary--shown at U of U last week--anyone have a chance to see > it? > > 1 play--I can't remember the title, but I saw it in LA a year or so ago. > > 3 re-prints of the Carleton report. One by Dave Hellyers at Bee Creek > Books, one printed by the AHC as a seperate off-print, and one re-printed > in the AHC series that David White did. > > Five other books are in the works that I know of: > > 1) Bagley's documentary history of MMM, to be included in the KITW series > 2) The Turley/Leonard/Walker book > 3) A history to be published by Knopf--according to Will, this book will > make Will's look faith promoting > 4) 2 books by the forensic pathologist who examined the MMM bones. > > Astonishing! > > Mark > --part1_94.34d624fd.2b8f9b4a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In fact, there's even a few more recent titles:

Yet a 3rd recent novel--Marilyn Brown's _Wine-Dark Sea of Grass_

At least 2 reprints of John D. Lee's writings

A weak follow-on to Backus's so-called biography of Klingensmith
(Through Bonds of Love: In the Shadow of the Mountain Meadows Massacre)

Southern Utah University's publication _A New Look at Old Sites on Mountain=20= Meadows_ by Morris A. Shirts and Frances Anne Smeath (SUU Press announced th= is as "the first in a series of monographs on Mountain Meadows.")

I presume the upcoming Knopf book you mention is the Sally Denton's.  S= he published a 10-page article in American Heritage 52 (Oct 2001) that gave=20= a flavor of what to expect from her.

Mark, you mention two forthcoming books from the forensic pathologist. = Why would there need to be two?  Is one academic and the other for gen= eral readership?

Brian

In a message dated 2/26/2003 5:20:59 PM Mountain Standard Time, EdlundMarkJ@= uams.edu writes:


Has anyone noted the astonishing number of works related to the MMM that hav= e come out, or are slated to come out?  (BTW, has anyone else noted tha= t "astonishing" is one of Will Bagley's favorite words?)

Here is what I count so far:

2 Novels--"Red Water" and "The Ferry Woman".  I have not read The Ferry= Woman, but Red Water is a great read, highly recommended by me and my wife.=

3 history books--the bio of Klingensmith, Kent Fielding's book on the Tribun= e reports of the trials, and Will's book.

1 movie documentary--shown at U of U last week--anyone have a chance to see=20= it?

1 play--I can't remember the title, but I saw it in LA a year or so ago.

3 re-prints of the Carleton report.  One by Dave Hellyers at Bee Creek=20= Books, one printed by the AHC as a seperate off-print, and one re-printed in= the AHC series that David White did.

Five other books are in the works that I know of:

1)  Bagley's documentary history of MMM, to be included in the KITW ser= ies
2)  The Turley/Leonard/Walker book
3)  A history to be published by Knopf--according to Will, this book wi= ll make Will's look faith promoting
4)  2 books by the forensic pathologist who examined the MMM bones.

Astonishing!

Mark


 --part1_94.34d624fd.2b8f9b4a_boundary-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah Date: 27 Feb 2003 10:01:59 -0700 I still have the copy with the "spine that looks like hell" (actual insect chewed) as well as a pristine copy in stock as well; plus a personal copy in my reference library; this accounts for 3 of the 160 issued. I also have all of the other catalogs Mark Edlund referred to, including seven different Auerbach catalogs; the limited leather Flake; both original and hardbound reissue of Biblioteca Scallawagania; as well as the New York Public Library's "William Berrian" imprint the Eberstadt catalog; all three of Dale Morgan's Bibliographies on Mormon Churches and offshoots; two of the four different versions of Lyn Jacobs' foreign scriptures books, and a number of other unusual Mormon/Utah and Western reference works. I purchased all of Kent Walgren's reference library before he left for Paris and combined it with my own to form an entire roomful of reference books. It's one of the few areas that I actually collect in, books on books. Oh, almost forgot Grunder's excellent work on Mormon Parallels. Ken Sanders RickBook@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/26/03 6:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: > > << The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken > Sanders, when I upgraded. (Before I bought the book Rick warned me that "the > spine looks like hell". >> > > > Years ago, I tried to explain the Mormon hereafter to a friend. I listed the > three kingdoms of heaven, and their likely citizens, explaining that even the > Telestial Kingdom is supposed to be better than this life. My Protestant > friend quipped, > > "So you Mormons don't really have a hell - just Heaven-ghetto." > > RickBook > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah Date: 27 Feb 2003 12:53:22 EST In a message dated 2/27/03 12:01:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, ken@dreamgarden.com writes: << . . . as well as a pristine copy in stock as well; plus a personal copy in my reference library; this accounts for 3 of the 160 issued. I also have all of the other catalogs Mark Edlund referred to, including seven different Auerbach catalogs; the limited leather Flake; both original and hardbound reissue of Biblioteca Scallawagania; as well as the New York Public Library's "William Berrian" imprint the Eberstadt catalog; all three of Dale Morgan's Bibliographies on Mormon Churches and offshoots; two of the four different versions of Lyn Jacobs' foreign scriptures books, and a number of other unusual Mormon/Utah and Western reference works. I purchased all of Kent Walgren's reference library before he left for Paris and combined it with my own to form an entire roomful of reference books. >> Yeah? Well, my computer mouse is prettier than yours . . . Jealous in LaFayette - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] MMM Date: 27 Feb 2003 10:59:22 -0700 >>> BJRom@aol.com 2/27/2003 9:48:10 AM >>> > >Yet a 3rd recent novel--Marilyn Brown's _Wine-Dark Sea of Grass_ I'm halfway through another novel: _The Path to Mountain Meadows: From Sarah's Journal_ by Beth Shumway Moore (self-published) Like Brown's _Wine-Dark Sea of Grass_, the story focuses more on the romantic trials of a young girl in plural marriage than on the massacre. In fact, the first 2/3 of the book covers events in 1847-1852. The narrative then jumps to 1857. Most of the story is told in dialogue, even the exposition. People say ridiculous things like, "I don't believe I saw you in church last Sunday, when Elder Kimball came to present the name of Daniel N. Smith for a sustaining vote to be the new bishop, along with his counselors David Reeder and Martin T. Small." My review of Brown's book (for AML-List) was pretty negative--I'm going to have a hard time finding anything positive to say about this one. (The author's a distant cousin--I'll have to avoid family reunions for a couple years.) MBA - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing Date: 27 Feb 2003 22:10:12 -0600 Actually the spine doesn't look that bad, if anyone is interested in buying it from Ken. This is a tough book to find in any condition, and that is why I snapped up a less than pristine copy. But if it is for sell and you have the money, go for Ken's pristine copy. Such a copy of this book only comes up every five years or so, and this may even be a little optimistic. Ken, what are the seven Auerbach catalogues? I am only aware of five, all of which I have. There are the Parke-Bernet catalogues from 1947 and 1948, the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's, and the catalogue that Lin and Tucker Respess did. (BTW, you may not remember, but I believe I also sold you a set of the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's.) What else? Collecting books on books and bibliographies is also my one of my collecting areas, and is actually probably the strongest part of my collection. Two of my favorite items are (i) the 1st Edition of Plains and Rockies, the one with the facsimiles done in only 50 copies, and (ii) a Moroccan bound copy of the great desert bibliography The Enduring Desert. There were only three of the Moroccan copies, one for the author Eddie Edwards, one copy for Russ Leadarbrand (my copy), and I am not sure who the last one was for. Book (i) is not too difficult to obtain, although it is a little pricey--I got mine for about $500. Book (ii) is not utilized nearly as much as (i) by dealers, collectors, etc, but it is really a wonderful book for anyone who loves the Mojave and Colorado deserts. Edwards was the unparalleled authority on this book terrain, and The Enduring Desert was a product of his life-long love affair with the desert. BTW, does anyone on the list know when we will be seeing these books? 1) The new Arthur H. Clark bibiliography 2) The much anticipated, definitive Edward Abbey bibliography 3) The significantly expanded, definitive Mormon Parallels bibliography Mark Edlund -----Original Message----- Sent: 2/27/2003 11:01 AM I still have the copy with the "spine that looks like hell" (actual insect chewed) as well as a pristine copy in stock as well; plus a personal copy in my reference library; this accounts for 3 of the 160 issued. I also have all of the other catalogs Mark Edlund referred to, including seven different Auerbach catalogs; the limited leather Flake; both original and hardbound reissue of Biblioteca Scallawagania; as well as the New York Public Library's "William Berrian" imprint the Eberstadt catalog; all three of Dale Morgan's Bibliographies on Mormon Churches and offshoots; two of the four different versions of Lyn Jacobs' foreign scriptures books, and a number of other unusual Mormon/Utah and Western reference works. I purchased all of Kent Walgren's reference library before he left for Paris and combined it with my own to form an entire roomful of reference books. It's one of the few areas that I actually collect in, books on books. Oh, almost forgot Grunder's excellent work on Mormon Parallels. Ken Sanders RickBook@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/26/03 6:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: > > << The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken > Sanders, when I upgraded. (Before I bought the book Rick warned me that "the > spine looks like hell". >> > > > Years ago, I tried to explain the Mormon hereafter to a friend. I listed the > three kingdoms of heaven, and their likely citizens, explaining that even the > Telestial Kingdom is supposed to be better than this life. My Protestant > friend quipped, > > "So you Mormons don't really have a hell - just Heaven-ghetto." > > RickBook > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah Date: 27 Feb 2003 20:54:09 -0800 It is wonderful to see LDS-Bookshelf come up on my email. I had been excommunicated from the list shortly after in was reorganized. It had something to do with my comment about Hugh's pathetic John D. Lee "Mormonism Unveiled", but I have since seen the errors of my ways and repented.:-) I was wondering what the McMurtrie's have sold for lately? I had never heard of this bibliography before, and it sounds very interesting. Mark listed some forthcoming bibliographies. I was wondering if anyone has heard anything about Crawley's "Descriptive Bibliography" vol. 2? I am continuely in awe of the detail Peter has given us. I will also add that Allen, Walker and Whittaker's vol. is one of my favorite tools. Joe >Martino Publishing, known for its bibliographic reprints, has published a >hardcover reprint of Douglas McMurtrie's "The Beginnings of Printing in >Utah >with a Bibliography of the Issues of the Utah Press, 1849-1860." It was >originally published in 1931 in a limited edition of 160 copies and has >never >been reprinted until now. Martino just published an initial printing of 50 >copies and sells them for $50. If you want more information on the book, >you >can go to the publisher's web site at: HREF="http://www.martinopublishing.com/mdescription.htm#mcmurtrieutah"> >http://www.martinopublishing.com/mdescription.htm#mcmurtrieutah > >I have some copies available for $40 + $3 shipping, if anyone is >interested. > >Brian > > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah Date: 27 Feb 2003 21:47:28 -0800 I enjoy books on books as well. A memorable event was finding Dale = Morgan's personal copies of his bibliographies of the Mormon offshoots in a box = of stuff in a junky bookstore in Sacramento. They were a few bucks each. = I gave them to Hugh, whose worship of Dale Morgan approaches blind = idolatry.=20 Gary Kurutz's excellent annotated gold rush bilibiography is a personal favorite and has some great Mormon content. I have an extra copy still = in the box if anyone is interested. =20 Another favorite has no Mormon content - The Sotheby's catalog of The = Garden Ltd., sale, ostensibly the richest book auction ever. The introduction = by Haven O'More achieves a level of unabashed braggadocio matched only by = the website of a certain Midwestern "collector" of Mormon books. When Hugh and I reprinted Bibliothica Scallawagiana, we called it the = first free-standing bibliography of Mormon books. I know that Remy & = Brenchley included an earlier bibliography in "Journey to the Great Salt Lake" in 1861. Does anyone know of an earlier list of Mormon books? Keith -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Edlund, = Mark J Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:10 PM Printing in Utah Actually the spine doesn't look that bad, if anyone is interested in buying it from Ken. This is a tough book to find in any condition, and = that is why I snapped up a less than pristine copy. But if it is for sell = and you have the money, go for Ken's pristine copy. Such a copy of this = book only comes up every five years or so, and this may even be a little optimistic. =20 Ken, what are the seven Auerbach catalogues? I am only aware of five, = all of which I have. There are the Parke-Bernet catalogues from 1947 and = 1948, the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's, and the catalogue that = Lin and Tucker Respess did. (BTW, you may not remember, but I believe I = also sold you a set of the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's.) = What else? Collecting books on books and bibliographies is also my one of my = collecting areas, and is actually probably the strongest part of my collection. = Two of my favorite items are (i) the 1st Edition of Plains and Rockies, the one with the facsimiles done in only 50 copies, and (ii) a Moroccan bound = copy of the great desert bibliography The Enduring Desert. There were only = three of the Moroccan copies, one for the author Eddie Edwards, one copy for = Russ Leadarbrand (my copy), and I am not sure who the last one was for. Book = (i) is not too difficult to obtain, although it is a little pricey--I got = mine for about $500. Book (ii) is not utilized nearly as much as (i) by = dealers, collectors, etc, but it is really a wonderful book for anyone who loves = the Mojave and Colorado deserts. Edwards was the unparalleled authority on = this book terrain, and The Enduring Desert was a product of his life-long = love affair with the desert. =20 BTW, does anyone on the list know when we will be seeing these books? 1) The new Arthur H. Clark bibiliography 2) The much anticipated, definitive Edward Abbey bibliography 3) The significantly expanded, definitive Mormon Parallels bibliography Mark Edlund -----Original Message----- Sent: 2/27/2003 11:01 AM Printing in Utah I still have the copy with the "spine that looks like hell" (actual=20 insect chewed) as well as a pristine copy in stock as well; plus a=20 personal copy in my reference library; this accounts for 3 of the 160=20 issued. I also have all of the other catalogs Mark Edlund referred to, including seven different Auerbach catalogs; the limited leather Flake; both=20 original and hardbound reissue of Biblioteca Scallawagania; as well as=20 the New York Public Library's "William Berrian" imprint the Eberstadt=20 catalog; all three of Dale Morgan's Bibliographies on Mormon Churches=20 and offshoots; two of the four different versions of Lyn Jacobs' foreign scriptures books, and a number of other unusual Mormon/Utah and Western reference works. I purchased all of Kent Walgren's=20 reference library before he left for Paris and combined it with my own=20 to form an entire roomful of reference books. It's one of the few areas that I actually collect in, books on books.=20 Oh, almost forgot Grunder's excellent work on Mormon Parallels. Ken Sanders RickBook@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/26/03 6:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: >=20 > << The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken > Sanders, when I upgraded. (Before I bought the book Rick warned me that "the=20 > spine looks like hell". >> >=20 >=20 > Years ago, I tried to explain the Mormon hereafter to a friend. I listed the=20 > three kingdoms of heaven, and their likely citizens, explaining that even the=20 > Telestial Kingdom is supposed to be better than this life. My Protestant=20 > friend quipped, >=20 > "So you Mormons don't really have a hell - just Heaven-ghetto." >=20 > RickBook >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah Date: 28 Feb 2003 00:48:04 EST In a message dated 2/27/03 11:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: << BTW, does anyone on the list know when we will be seeing these books? . . . . . 3) The significantly expanded, definitive Mormon Parallels bibliography >> Before I die, if I don't die tomorrow, or too soon thereafter. About 70 new entries last year (most of them several pages in length, each), and the entire manuscript now well over 1,000 pages in the large-type, computer-working format. Sigh. I'm starting to catch myself speaking in nineteenth-century style. Friends raise their eyebrows, then shrug it off to my Mormon background. Out here, people confuse "Mormon" & "Moravian" (and Idaho & Iowa) . . . RickBook - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah Date: 28 Feb 2003 11:17:33 -0700 There is also a 1957 Sotheby's of London catalog that includes a consignment of Auerbach material from Mrs. Gerald Werner of New York (the heiress of the Auerbach fortune) and a 1960 sale as well. This is in addition to the two later Parke Bernet sales ; two in 1968 ane one in 1969. Oops, I'm checking a second bound set of catalogs and am finding yet another 1959 Parke Bernet catalog with some Auerbach material included as well. With the two original 1948-49 sales and the last Auerbach catalog of ten years ago (my father and I had that collection breifly and I brokered the sale to the consortium of dealers that catalogued the material under the Respess imprint) that takes the total up to nine I believe. The catalogs I have are from the Auerbach estate (my dad still has a large Auerbach collection) and have copious notes and handwriting in them. The two big sales for example, not only have the prices realized handwritten in, but the names of all the buyers; most of the legends in western americana at the time; Book of Mormons were $10, Book of Commandments (of which Auerbach had two; each one different) were $1000-$100 I believe. Lastly, My Edward Abbey bibliography, although the bibliographical work is complete, at least thru Abbey's death in 1989) lies unfinished. I need someone to give me a grant to enable me to take enough time off to hole up somewhere and finish writing it. It's a narrative bibliography entitled With Traven and Thoreau and I need to finish the essays. I have a 100 page handscrawled essay entitled R. Crumb meets the Monkey Wrench Gang, for example, that I really need to type and rewrite and revise. Ken Sanders PS: I do have a number of these Mormon reference works for sale in the shop if anyone's interested; including a set of Flakes, Auerbach catalogs, the McMurtrie, Crawley and a few of the others. Edlund, Mark J wrote: > Actually the spine doesn't look that bad, if anyone is interested in buying it from Ken. This is a tough book to find in any condition, and that is why I snapped up a less than pristine copy. But if it is for sell and you have the money, go for Ken's pristine copy. Such a copy of this book only comes up every five years or so, and this may even be a little optimistic. > > Ken, what are the seven Auerbach catalogues? I am only aware of five, all of which I have. There are the Parke-Bernet catalogues from 1947 and 1948, the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's, and the catalogue that Lin and Tucker Respess did. (BTW, you may not remember, but I believe I also sold you a set of the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's.) What else? > > Collecting books on books and bibliographies is also my one of my collecting areas, and is actually probably the strongest part of my collection. Two of my favorite items are (i) the 1st Edition of Plains and Rockies, the one with the facsimiles done in only 50 copies, and (ii) a Moroccan bound copy of the great desert bibliography The Enduring Desert. There were only three of the Moroccan copies, one for the author Eddie Edwards, one copy for Russ Leadarbrand (my copy), and I am not sure who the last one was for. Book (i) is not too difficult to obtain, although it is a little pricey--I got mine for about $500. Book (ii) is not utilized nearly as much as (i) by dealers, collectors, etc, but it is really a wonderful book for anyone who loves the Mojave and Colorado deserts. Edwards was the unparalleled authority on this book terrain, and The Enduring Desert was a product of his life-long love affair with the desert. > > BTW, does anyone on the list know when we will be seeing these books? > > 1) The new Arthur H. Clark bibiliography > 2) The much anticipated, definitive Edward Abbey bibliography > 3) The significantly expanded, definitive Mormon Parallels bibliography > > Mark Edlund > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Sanders > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Sent: 2/27/2003 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah > > I still have the copy with the "spine that looks like hell" (actual > insect chewed) as well as a pristine copy in stock as well; plus a > personal copy in my reference library; this accounts for 3 of the 160 > issued. > > I also have all of the other catalogs Mark Edlund referred to, including > > seven different Auerbach catalogs; the limited leather Flake; both > original and hardbound reissue of Biblioteca Scallawagania; as well as > the New York Public Library's "William Berrian" imprint the Eberstadt > catalog; all three of Dale Morgan's Bibliographies on Mormon Churches > and offshoots; two of the four different versions of Lyn Jacobs' foreign > > scriptures books, and a number of other unusual Mormon/Utah > > and Western reference works. I purchased all of Kent Walgren's > reference library before he left for Paris and combined it with my own > to form an entire roomful of reference books. > > It's one of the few areas that I actually collect in, books on books. > Oh, almost forgot Grunder's excellent work on Mormon Parallels. > > Ken Sanders > > RickBook@aol.com wrote: > > >>In a message dated 2/26/03 6:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: >> >><< The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken >> > >>Sanders, when I upgraded. (Before I bought the book Rick warned me >> > that "the > >>spine looks like hell". >> >> >> >>Years ago, I tried to explain the Mormon hereafter to a friend. I >> > listed the > >>three kingdoms of heaven, and their likely citizens, explaining that >> > even the > >>Telestial Kingdom is supposed to be better than this life. My >> > Protestant > >>friend quipped, >> >>"So you Mormons don't really have a hell - just Heaven-ghetto." >> >>RickBook >> >>---------------------------------------------------------- >>- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >>- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >>- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >>- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" >> >> >> >> > > -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah Date: 28 Feb 2003 13:48:20 -0800 The new Arthur H. Clark bibliography just arrived today. It's a fine looking volume done in the traditional AHC style. 321 entries plus an additional section of books done under contract. There are lists of the various series. I enjoyed the interesting and at times intimate history = of the company, written by Bob. =20 AHC is producing 1000 copies of the trade edition. A hand sewn, leather bound "centennial edition" is limited to 100 copies. Keith -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Edlund, = Mark J Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:10 PM Printing in Utah Actually the spine doesn't look that bad, if anyone is interested in buying it from Ken. This is a tough book to find in any condition, and = that is why I snapped up a less than pristine copy. But if it is for sell = and you have the money, go for Ken's pristine copy. Such a copy of this = book only comes up every five years or so, and this may even be a little optimistic. =20 Ken, what are the seven Auerbach catalogues? I am only aware of five, = all of which I have. There are the Parke-Bernet catalogues from 1947 and = 1948, the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's, and the catalogue that = Lin and Tucker Respess did. (BTW, you may not remember, but I believe I = also sold you a set of the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's.) = What else? Collecting books on books and bibliographies is also my one of my = collecting areas, and is actually probably the strongest part of my collection. = Two of my favorite items are (i) the 1st Edition of Plains and Rockies, the one with the facsimiles done in only 50 copies, and (ii) a Moroccan bound = copy of the great desert bibliography The Enduring Desert. There were only = three of the Moroccan copies, one for the author Eddie Edwards, one copy for = Russ Leadarbrand (my copy), and I am not sure who the last one was for. Book = (i) is not too difficult to obtain, although it is a little pricey--I got = mine for about $500. Book (ii) is not utilized nearly as much as (i) by = dealers, collectors, etc, but it is really a wonderful book for anyone who loves = the Mojave and Colorado deserts. Edwards was the unparalleled authority on = this book terrain, and The Enduring Desert was a product of his life-long = love affair with the desert. =20 BTW, does anyone on the list know when we will be seeing these books? 1) The new Arthur H. Clark bibiliography 2) The much anticipated, definitive Edward Abbey bibliography 3) The significantly expanded, definitive Mormon Parallels bibliography Mark Edlund -----Original Message----- Sent: 2/27/2003 11:01 AM Printing in Utah I still have the copy with the "spine that looks like hell" (actual=20 insect chewed) as well as a pristine copy in stock as well; plus a=20 personal copy in my reference library; this accounts for 3 of the 160=20 issued. I also have all of the other catalogs Mark Edlund referred to, including seven different Auerbach catalogs; the limited leather Flake; both=20 original and hardbound reissue of Biblioteca Scallawagania; as well as=20 the New York Public Library's "William Berrian" imprint the Eberstadt=20 catalog; all three of Dale Morgan's Bibliographies on Mormon Churches=20 and offshoots; two of the four different versions of Lyn Jacobs' foreign scriptures books, and a number of other unusual Mormon/Utah and Western reference works. I purchased all of Kent Walgren's=20 reference library before he left for Paris and combined it with my own=20 to form an entire roomful of reference books. It's one of the few areas that I actually collect in, books on books.=20 Oh, almost forgot Grunder's excellent work on Mormon Parallels. Ken Sanders RickBook@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/26/03 6:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: >=20 > << The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken > Sanders, when I upgraded. (Before I bought the book Rick warned me that "the=20 > spine looks like hell". >> >=20 >=20 > Years ago, I tried to explain the Mormon hereafter to a friend. I listed the=20 > three kingdoms of heaven, and their likely citizens, explaining that even the=20 > Telestial Kingdom is supposed to be better than this life. My Protestant=20 > friend quipped, >=20 > "So you Mormons don't really have a hell - just Heaven-ghetto." >=20 > RickBook >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Smith" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah Date: 28 Feb 2003 19:09:27 -0800 Hi- I too have just recently rejoined the shelf. I somehow lost connection after changing my internet provider; Hugh kindly reconnected me. I also noticed that the "List of Works in the NY Public Library" has recently been reprinted by Martino Publishers, Mansfield, CT (2002). The price appears to be $45. Though not rare and only a list, I have found Walgren's Scallawagiana Hundred very useful. I used it as a guide when I started collecting Mormon and Utah books about 15+ years ago. I am sure most would disagree with a few choices, but overall I think it is a great selection. I wish he had gone on to annotate it as promised in his introduction. I hope this little list has not been discussed recently on the shelf; forgive me if it has. Another great bibliography with lots of Mormon content is The Trail by Mintz (1987). I have been trying to collect those with Mormon content for over 12-13 years and still do not have them all. I have noticed some errors in the book as I have acquired them. Some of the ones I am still looking for are: Jane Wilkie Blood. Logan, J.P. Smith (1966) Thomas Stucki. Salt Lake City (1932) Martha Pane Thomas. Salt Lake City (1927) John Woodhouse. Salt Lake City: James Mercur (1952) Craig Smith ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:10 PM in Utah > Actually the spine doesn't look that bad, if anyone is interested in buying it from Ken. This is a tough book to find in any condition, and that is why I snapped up a less than pristine copy. But if it is for sell and you have the money, go for Ken's pristine copy. Such a copy of this book only comes up every five years or so, and this may even be a little optimistic. > > Ken, what are the seven Auerbach catalogues? I am only aware of five, all of which I have. There are the Parke-Bernet catalogues from 1947 and 1948, the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's, and the catalogue that Lin and Tucker Respess did. (BTW, you may not remember, but I believe I also sold you a set of the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's.) What else? > > Collecting books on books and bibliographies is also my one of my collecting areas, and is actually probably the strongest part of my collection. Two of my favorite items are (i) the 1st Edition of Plains and Rockies, the one with the facsimiles done in only 50 copies, and (ii) a Moroccan bound copy of the great desert bibliography The Enduring Desert. There were only three of the Moroccan copies, one for the author Eddie Edwards, one copy for Russ Leadarbrand (my copy), and I am not sure who the last one was for. Book (i) is not too difficult to obtain, although it is a little pricey--I got mine for about $500. Book (ii) is not utilized nearly as much as (i) by dealers, collectors, etc, but it is really a wonderful book for anyone who loves the Mojave and Colorado deserts. Edwards was the unparalleled authority on this book terrain, and The Enduring Desert was a product of his life-long love affair with the desert. > > BTW, does anyone on the list know when we will be seeing these books? > > 1) The new Arthur H. Clark bibiliography > 2) The much anticipated, definitive Edward Abbey bibliography > 3) The significantly expanded, definitive Mormon Parallels bibliography > > Mark Edlund > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Sanders > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Sent: 2/27/2003 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah > > I still have the copy with the "spine that looks like hell" (actual > insect chewed) as well as a pristine copy in stock as well; plus a > personal copy in my reference library; this accounts for 3 of the 160 > issued. > > I also have all of the other catalogs Mark Edlund referred to, including > > seven different Auerbach catalogs; the limited leather Flake; both > original and hardbound reissue of Biblioteca Scallawagania; as well as > the New York Public Library's "William Berrian" imprint the Eberstadt > catalog; all three of Dale Morgan's Bibliographies on Mormon Churches > and offshoots; two of the four different versions of Lyn Jacobs' foreign > > scriptures books, and a number of other unusual Mormon/Utah > > and Western reference works. I purchased all of Kent Walgren's > reference library before he left for Paris and combined it with my own > to form an entire roomful of reference books. > > It's one of the few areas that I actually collect in, books on books. > Oh, almost forgot Grunder's excellent work on Mormon Parallels. > > Ken Sanders > > RickBook@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/26/03 6:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: > > > > << The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken > > > Sanders, when I upgraded. (Before I bought the book Rick warned me > that "the > > spine looks like hell". >> > > > > > > Years ago, I tried to explain the Mormon hereafter to a friend. I > listed the > > three kingdoms of heaven, and their likely citizens, explaining that > even the > > Telestial Kingdom is supposed to be better than this life. My > Protestant > > friend quipped, > > > > "So you Mormons don't really have a hell - just Heaven-ghetto." > > > > RickBook > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > > > > > > > -- > Ken Sanders > Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA > 268 South 200 East > Salt Lake City UT 84111 > (801) 521-3819 > Fax: (801) 521-2606 > http://www.kensandersbooks.com > ken@dreamgarden.com > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"