From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Otherwise "very good" Date: 12 Jan 2004 11:39:47 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just noticed the following item write-up on eBay, and thought the Shelf might enjoy reading it. This is the kind of condition description we traditionally make up as amusing fiction, the punch line being, "otherwise very good." The Concise History of the Mormon Battalion in the Mexican War. 1846-1847. By Sergeant Daniel Tyler. 1881 Edition. Hard cover. Measures 9" tall and 6" wide. 376 Pages. Contains a 106 page introduction, the first 64 pages of which are authored by John Taylor. The spine has some damage to the top and bottom edges, as seen in the photo, and the cover has moderate wear. The first introductory page, has a torn spot out of it, that measures about 2" by 3 1/2", and the binding has been taped with filiment tape. These can be seen in the photos. The first few pages have been lightly torn, next to the binding but are intact. In the very back of the book, on the cover page, and inside cover, are some ink blots, as seen in the photo. The front inside cover appears to have had a label stuck to it, at one time. The rest of the book seems to be in very good condition, with no pen or pencil marks. Overall, a very good copy, of a very rare book. Please see all photos, and e-mail me with any questions. Utah winner must pay state sales tax. Thank you. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3578657744&category=29364 Rick Grunder Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just noticed the following item write-up on eBay, and thought the She= lf might enjoy reading it.  This is the kind of condition description w= e traditionally make up as amusing fiction, the punch line being, "otherwise= very good."
 
The Concise History of the Mormon Battalion in the Mexican War. 1846-18= 47. By Sergeant Daniel Tyler. 1881 Edition. Hard cover. Measures 9" tall and= 6" wide. 376 Pages. Contains a 106 page introduction, the first 64 pages of= which are authored by John Taylor. The spine has some damage to the top and= bottom edges, as seen in the photo, and the cover has moderate wear. The fi= rst introductory page, has a torn spot out of it, that measures about 2" by=20= 3 1/2", and the binding has been taped with filiment tape. These can be seen= in the photos. The first few pages have been lightly torn, next to the bind= ing but are intact. In the very back of the book, on the cover page, and ins= ide cover, are some ink blots, as seen in the photo. The front inside cover=20= appears to have had a label stuck to it, at one time. The rest of the book s= eems to be in very good condition, with no pen or pencil marks. Overall, a v= ery good copy, of a very rare book. Please see all photos, and e-mail me wit= h any questions. Utah winner must pay state sales tax. Thank you.
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&= amp;item=3D3578657744&category=3D29364
 
Rick Grunder
 
 
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I'm sorry that I forgot to follow through with information on that myst= ery letter I quoted to the Shelf before Christmas.  I believe Mark Edlu= nd was the first person to guess the identity, in a private e-mail to me.
 
The letter was written by Alexander Hale Smith to his mother Emma. = ; He was serving as a mission president for the RLDS Church.  By this p= eriod, he had had to defend his mother in front of Brigham Young and in fron= t of his own cousin Joseph F. Smith in a public meeting in Utah.=20
 
Because of bad feeling toward Emma by many of the Utah Saints, I think=20= some of us have failed to appreciate the struggles and faith of the early RL= DS leadership.  As I read Joseph Smith III's autobiographical statement= s, I feel ashamed how little I have appreciated his positive traits.
 
Back to regular programming,
 
Rick Grunder
- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Things that Endure Date: 22 Jan 2004 10:17:55 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heard a feature on National Public Radio this morning about compulsive hoarding. The lead-in story said that a forty-two-year-old man in the Bronx was trapped in his apartment for two days by falling books and newspapers which he had accumulated. The speaker then mentioned some pocket-sized "Collier Park ?" in New York City where, years ago, two brothers were found dead in their four-story brownstone house, killed by a similar mishap; "hundreds of tons" of newspapers were found in that building, the report said. And of course we have all heard the story of what's-his-name in Europe killed a few centuries ago by a falling bookcase full of folios (which is why we now keep our larger volumes on bottom shelves). A dozen years ago, I visited the retired historian of our county. He lived in a perfectly respectable downtown high-rise apartment building. But the moment you stepped through the front door, you were in another world. A path perhaps two feet wide led from room to room. On each side of the path were books, papers, and newspapers piled several feet high. The man who negotiated this labyrinth each hour of his life had an artificial leg. I remember him propping himself up on a bar stool, in order to use the kitchen cabinet as a desk, where he had cleared a space large enough to accommodate a folded newspaper to peruse. Then there was Dorothy W., back in Indiana in the 1980s. She came up to me at a book fair one day and started chatting. Despite her impressive body odor, she was pleasant enough, and intelligent - perhaps in her seventies. I ended up visiting her home, where she had complete sets of John Gould's folio bird books (not Audubon prices, but very valuable). She also had a trunk with many choice individual folio prints from other, broken sets. All hand colored; each worth hundreds of dollars even then. I used her bathroom. The tub was dry and filled with more collectibles. Her house was very cold, and I later learned that she had insulted well meaning neighbors who had ordered a load of coal delivered free of charge. There is an aging couple within an hour of my house who are truly on their last legs. I have not been to their home, but a collector friend describes the amazing treasures everywhere - room after room. They won't let him up in the book room. And so, fellow collectors, as we observe alarming current events at home and abroad, as we endure the lagging economy, or see teenagers on television who are unable to name the countries which border the United States, take heart! There are still folks out there who preserve the old values . . . RickBook Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I heard a feature on National Public Radio this morning about compulsiv= e hoarding.  The lead-in story said that a forty-two-year-old man in th= e Bronx was trapped in his apartment for two days by falling books and newsp= apers which he had accumulated.  The speaker then mentioned some p= ocket-sized "Collier Park ?" in New York City where, years ago, two bro= thers were found dead in their four-story brownstone house, killed by a simi= lar mishap;  "hundreds of tons" of newspapers were found in that buildi= ng, the report said.  And of course we have all heard the story of what= 's-his-name in Europe killed a few centuries ago by a falling bookcase full=20= of folios (which is why we now keep our larger volumes on bottom shelves).
 
A dozen years ago, I visited the retired historian of our county. = He lived in a perfectly respectable downtown high-rise apartment=20= building.  But the moment you stepped through the front door, you were=20= in another world.  A path perhaps two feet wide led from room to room.&= nbsp; On each side of the path were books, papers, and newspapers piled seve= ral feet high.  The man who negotiated this labyrinth each hour of his=20= life had an artificial leg.  I remember him propping himself up on a ba= r stool, in order to use the kitchen cabinet as a desk, where he had cleared= a space large enough to accommodate a folded newspaper to peruse.
 
Then there was Dorothy W., back in Indiana in the 1980s.  She came= up to me at a book fair one day and started chatting.  Despite her imp= ressive body odor, she was pleasant enough, and intelligent - perhaps in her= seventies.  I ended up visiting her home, where she had complete sets=20= of John Gould's folio bird books (not Audubon prices, but very valuable).&nb= sp; She also had a trunk with many choice individual folio prints from other= , broken sets.  All hand colored;  each worth hundreds of dollars=20= even then.
 
I used her bathroom.  The tub was dry and filled with more collect= ibles.  Her house was very cold, and I later learned that she had insul= ted well meaning neighbors who had ordered a load of coal delivered free of=20= charge.
 
There is an aging couple within an hour of my house who are truly on th= eir last legs.  I have not been to their home, but a collector friend d= escribes the amazing treasures everywhere - room after room.  They won'= t let him up in the book room.
 
And so, fellow collectors, as we observe alarming current events at hom= e and abroad, as we endure the lagging economy, or see teenagers on televisi= on who are unable to name the countries which border the United States, take= heart!  There are still folks out there who preserve the old values .=20= . .
 
<acquisitive grin>
 
RickBook
- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Eccles Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Things that Endure Date: 22 Jan 2004 07:28:31 -0800 (PST) --0-1236248257-1074785311=:2790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I worked for an attorney who handled real estate matters and had to evict a gentleman who lived in a nice, middle class home in Los Angeles County (MIddle Class means it is worth somewhere around $500K at the current rates). I went into the home during the process and it was completely full of newspapers. They were floor to ceiling and were in the halls, etc. You could barely get around in the home. Nothing of real value .... he just didn't throw newapapers away! We all have our oddities, don't we. --Steve --0-1236248257-1074785311=:2790 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I worked for an attorney who handled real estate matters and had to evict a gentleman who lived in a nice, middle class home in Los Angeles County (MIddle Class means it is worth somewhere around $500K at the current rates).

I went into the home during the process and it was completely full of newspapers. They were floor to ceiling and were in the halls, etc. You could barely get around in the home.

Nothing of real value .... he just didn't throw newapapers away!

We all have our oddities, don't we.

--Steve

--0-1236248257-1074785311=:2790-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edlund, Mark J." Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Things that Endure Date: 22 Jan 2004 09:29:34 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E0FC.89E0E7A7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the NYT recently there was an article who read the Times each day, = but was about 2 or 3 years behind, and refused to jump ahead to the = present. That is, he saved each issue of the NYT and did not throw it = away until he had read it. He thus had the last two or three years of = the Times, and would read the next one each day, then throw it out, and = go on to the next one the next day. If I remember correctly, he had not = yet come to 9/11. =20 Mark =20 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = RickBook@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:18 AM =20 I heard a feature on National Public Radio this morning about compulsive = hoarding. The lead-in story said that a forty-two-year-old man in the = Bronx was trapped in his apartment for two days by falling books and = newspapers which he had accumulated. The speaker then mentioned some = pocket-sized "Collier Park ?" in New York City where, years ago, two = brothers were found dead in their four-story brownstone house, killed by = a similar mishap; "hundreds of tons" of newspapers were found in that = building, the report said. And of course we have all heard the story of = what's-his-name in Europe killed a few centuries ago by a falling = bookcase full of folios (which is why we now keep our larger volumes on = bottom shelves). =20 A dozen years ago, I visited the retired historian of our county. He = lived in a perfectly respectable downtown high-rise apartment building. = But the moment you stepped through the front door, you were in another = world. A path perhaps two feet wide led from room to room. On each = side of the path were books, papers, and newspapers piled several feet = high. The man who negotiated this labyrinth each hour of his life had = an artificial leg. I remember him propping himself up on a bar stool, = in order to use the kitchen cabinet as a desk, where he had cleared a = space large enough to accommodate a folded newspaper to peruse. =20 Then there was Dorothy W., back in Indiana in the 1980s. She came up to = me at a book fair one day and started chatting. Despite her impressive = body odor, she was pleasant enough, and intelligent - perhaps in her = seventies. I ended up visiting her home, where she had complete sets of = John Gould's folio bird books (not Audubon prices, but very valuable). = She also had a trunk with many choice individual folio prints from = other, broken sets. All hand colored; each worth hundreds of dollars = even then. =20 I used her bathroom. The tub was dry and filled with more collectibles. = Her house was very cold, and I later learned that she had insulted well = meaning neighbors who had ordered a load of coal delivered free of = charge. =20 There is an aging couple within an hour of my house who are truly on = their last legs. I have not been to their home, but a collector friend = describes the amazing treasures everywhere - room after room. They = won't let him up in the book room. =20 And so, fellow collectors, as we observe alarming current events at home = and abroad, as we endure the lagging economy, or see teenagers on = television who are unable to name the countries which border the United = States, take heart! There are still folks out there who preserve the = old values . . . =20 =20 RickBook ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E0FC.89E0E7A7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In= the NYT recently there was an article who read the Times each day, but was about = 2 or 3 years behind, and refused to jump ahead to the present.  That is, he saved each issue = of the NYT and did not throw it away until he had read it.  He thus had the last two or three years of the Times, = and would read the next one each day, then throw it out, and go on to the = next one the next day.  If I = remember correctly, he had not yet come to = 9/11.

 

Ma= rk

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of RickBook@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January = 22, 2004 9:18 AM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] = Things that Endure

 

I heard a feature on National Public Radio this morning about compulsive hoarding.  The lead-in story said that a forty-two-year-old man in = the Bronx was trapped in his apartment for two days by falling books and = newspapers which he had accumulated.  The speaker then mentioned some pocket-sized "Collier Park ?" in New York City where, = years ago, two brothers were found dead in their four-story brownstone house, = killed by a similar mishap;  "hundreds of tons" of newspapers were = found in that building, the report said.  And of course we have all heard = the story of what's-his-name in Europe killed a few centuries ago by a falling = bookcase full of folios (which is why we now keep our larger volumes on bottom = shelves).

 

A dozen years ago, I visited the retired historian of our county.  He lived in a perfectly respectable downtown high-rise apartment building.  But the moment you stepped through the front door, you = were in another world.  A path perhaps two feet wide led from room to = room.  On each side of the path were books, papers, and newspapers piled = several feet high.  The man who negotiated this labyrinth each hour of his life = had an artificial leg.  I remember him propping himself up on a bar stool, = in order to use the kitchen cabinet as a desk, where he had cleared a space = large enough to accommodate a folded newspaper to peruse.

 

Then there was Dorothy W., back in Indiana in the 1980s.  She came up to me at = a book fair one day and started chatting.  Despite her impressive body = odor, she was pleasant enough, and intelligent - perhaps in her seventies.  I = ended up visiting her home, where she had complete sets of John Gould's folio = bird books (not Audubon prices, but very valuable).  She also had a = trunk with many choice individual folio prints from other, broken sets.  All = hand colored;  each worth hundreds of dollars even = then.

 

I used her bathroom.  The tub was dry and filled with more = collectibles.  Her house was very cold, and I later learned that she had insulted well = meaning neighbors who had ordered a load of coal delivered free of = charge.

 

There is an aging couple within an hour of my house who are truly on their = last legs.  I have not been to their home, but a collector friend = describes the amazing treasures everywhere - room after room.  They won't let him = up in the book room.

 

And so, fellow collectors, as we observe alarming current events at home and = abroad, as we endure the lagging economy, or see teenagers on television who are = unable to name the countries which border the United States, take heart!  = There are still folks out there who preserve the old values . . = .

 

<acquisitive grin>

 

RickBook<= /font>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E0FC.89E0E7A7-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Things that Endure Date: 22 Jan 2004 15:23:00 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/2004 10:29:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, steve_eccles@sbcglobal.net writes: a nice, middle class home in Los Angeles County (MIddle Class means it is worth somewhere around $500K at the current rates) Which would be about $100,000 here in Central New York State (unless you want a fourth bedroom, or more than an acre of woods). I just can't imagine why all you Californians don't sell your homes, move out here, and start living like kings. Well, can't chat, gotta go. Need to shovel the sidewalk, check the fuel oil tank, consult the thermometer, pay the driveway snow plow guy, put a little lotion on my face so it doesn't crack & fall off from the furnace heat in the house, feed the starving birds & squirrels before they break down the door & demand their corn, make sure the emergency propane heater is working so the electrician won't freeze his . . . chin . . . off working in my garage tomorrow in an attempt to restore power lost each January when the ground freezes & heaves, and then think about making a living. I just can't imagine why all you Californians don't sell your homes, move out here, and start living like kings. RickBook Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/22/2004 10:29:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, steve_e= ccles@sbcglobal.net writes:
a nice, middle class home in Los Angeles Count= y (MIddle Class means it is worth somewhere around $500K at the current rate= s)
Which would be about $100,000 here in Central New York State (unless yo= u want a fourth bedroom, or more than an acre of woods).  I j= ust can't imagine why all you Californians don't sell your homes, move out h= ere, and start living like kings.
 
Well, can't chat, gotta go.  Need to shovel the sidewalk, check th= e fuel oil tank, consult the thermometer, pay the driveway snow plow guy, pu= t a little lotion on my face so it doesn't crack & fall off from the fur= nace heat in the house, feed the starving birds & squirrels before they=20= break down the door & demand their corn, make sure the emergency propane= heater is working so the electrician won't freeze his . . . chin . . . off=20= working in my garage tomorrow in an attempt to restore power lost each Janua= ry when the ground freezes & heaves, and then think about making a livin= g.  I just can't imagine why all you Californians don't sell your homes= , move out here, and start living like kings.
 
RickBook
- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Things that Endure Date: 22 Jan 2004 20:07:53 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3E123.6EC86E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why, this reminds me of my visit to fellow Bookshelfer Don Snow's office = at BYU! Just enough of a path to get to his desk, as I recall. I remember thinking, "Now THIS is a guy with a passion for books! =20 Tell 'em it's true, Don. =20 Keith =20 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of RickBook@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:18 AM =20 I heard a feature on National Public Radio this morning about compulsive hoarding. The lead-in story said that a forty-two-year-old man in the = Bronx was trapped in his apartment for two days by falling books and = newspapers which he had accumulated. The speaker then mentioned some pocket-sized "Collier Park ?" in New York City where, years ago, two brothers were = found dead in their four-story brownstone house, killed by a similar mishap; "hundreds of tons" of newspapers were found in that building, the report said. And of course we have all heard the story of what's-his-name in Europe killed a few centuries ago by a falling bookcase full of folios (which is why we now keep our larger volumes on bottom shelves). =20 A dozen years ago, I visited the retired historian of our county. He = lived in a perfectly respectable downtown high-rise apartment building. But = the moment you stepped through the front door, you were in another world. A path perhaps two feet wide led from room to room. On each side of the = path were books, papers, and newspapers piled several feet high. The man who negotiated this labyrinth each hour of his life had an artificial leg. = I remember him propping himself up on a bar stool, in order to use the = kitchen cabinet as a desk, where he had cleared a space large enough to = accommodate a folded newspaper to peruse. =20 Then there was Dorothy W., back in Indiana in the 1980s. She came up to = me at a book fair one day and started chatting. Despite her impressive = body odor, she was pleasant enough, and intelligent - perhaps in her = seventies. I ended up visiting her home, where she had complete sets of John = Gould's folio bird books (not Audubon prices, but very valuable). She also had = a trunk with many choice individual folio prints from other, broken sets. = All hand colored; each worth hundreds of dollars even then. =20 I used her bathroom. The tub was dry and filled with more collectibles. Her house was very cold, and I later learned that she had insulted well meaning neighbors who had ordered a load of coal delivered free of = charge. =20 There is an aging couple within an hour of my house who are truly on = their last legs. I have not been to their home, but a collector friend = describes the amazing treasures everywhere - room after room. They won't let him = up in the book room. =20 And so, fellow collectors, as we observe alarming current events at home = and abroad, as we endure the lagging economy, or see teenagers on television = who are unable to name the countries which border the United States, take = heart! There are still folks out there who preserve the old values . . . =20 =20 RickBook ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3E123.6EC86E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Why, this reminds me of my visit to = fellow Bookshelfer Don Snow’s office at BYU!  Just enough of a path = to get to his desk, as I recall.  I remember thinking, “Now THIS is = a guy with a passion for books!

 

Tell ‘em it’s true, = Don.

 

Keith

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of RickBook@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January = 22, 2004 7:18 AM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] = Things that Endure

 

I heard a feature on = National Public Radio this morning about compulsive hoarding.  The lead-in story = said that a forty-two-year-old man in the Bronx was trapped in his apartment for = two days by falling books and newspapers which he had accumulated.  The = speaker then mentioned some pocket-sized "Collier Park ?" in = New York City where, years ago, two brothers were found dead in their = four-story brownstone house, killed by a similar mishap;  "hundreds of tons" of newspapers were found in that building, the report = said.  And of course we have all heard the story of what's-his-name in Europe = killed a few centuries ago by a falling bookcase full of folios (which is why we = now keep our larger volumes on bottom shelves).

 

A dozen years ago, I = visited the retired historian of our county.  He lived in a perfectly respectable downtown high-rise apartment building.  But the = moment you stepped through the front door, you were in another world.  A = path perhaps two feet wide led from room to room.  On each side of the = path were books, papers, and newspapers piled several feet high.  The = man who negotiated this labyrinth each hour of his life had an artificial = leg.  I remember him propping himself up on a bar stool, in order to use the = kitchen cabinet as a desk, where he had cleared a space large enough to = accommodate a folded newspaper to peruse.

 

Then there was Dorothy W., = back in Indiana in the 1980s.  She came up to me at a book fair one day and started chatting.  Despite her impressive body odor, she was = pleasant enough, and intelligent - perhaps in her seventies.  I ended up = visiting her home, where she had complete sets of John Gould's folio bird books = (not Audubon prices, but very valuable).  She also had a trunk with many = choice individual folio prints from other, broken sets.  All hand = colored;  each worth hundreds of dollars even then.

 

I used her bathroom.  = The tub was dry and filled with more collectibles.  Her house was very = cold, and I later learned that she had insulted well meaning neighbors who had = ordered a load of coal delivered free of charge.

 

There is an aging couple = within an hour of my house who are truly on their last legs.  I have not been = to their home, but a collector friend describes the amazing treasures = everywhere - room after room.  They won't let him up in the book = room.

 

And so, fellow collectors, = as we observe alarming current events at home and abroad, as we endure the = lagging economy, or see teenagers on television who are unable to name the = countries which border the United States, take heart!  There are still folks = out there who preserve the old values . . .

 

<acquisitive = grin>

 

RickBook

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3E123.6EC86E40-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kendall Gubler Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re:Emment Harrington Date: 22 Jan 2004 23:42:24 -0700 As many of you know, Emmett Harrington was moving to Ivins Utah last fall. I finally reached him by phone in the middle of December. Last weekend I managed to spend some time with Emmett and Bonnie(what a lovely lady ). Harrington Fine Books is Located in the Coyote Gulch Art Village at Kayenta, near the city of St. George(about 5 miles west ). His shop is open from 11 to 5 Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and of course other days by appointment. Phone numbers 1-888-674-3555, or local 435-674-3555. For those who fondly remember his shop in San Francisco, you are in for a treat. His new shop is about 1and 1/2 times larger, and the layout is much nicer. His inventory is like the shop and is just great. He had a few mormon items on hand and his western americana stock left me drolling. I did purchase a first edition of Stewart H. Holbrook's "The Old Post Road" The Story of the Boston Post Road. When Emmett was writing it up his eyebrows raised and he asked why the purchase of a book about Boston. When I mentioned I was collecting The American trails Series it was oaky. The Purchase that really tickled me was a second printing of "The Great Rascal" The exploits of the amazing Ned Buntline. Not a expensive book, but the dust jacket was crisp and the colors were bright and vibrant, they practically jumped of the shelf and into my hands. It's nice to have the internet to browse but nothing replaces the visual pleasure of being able to browse and handle the actual book. For those who are looking to escape the winter blues come to Dixie and lets party. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re:Emment Harrington Date: 23 Jan 2004 09:48:10 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/2004 1:46:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, kgubler@netutah.com writes: It's nice to have the internet to browse but nothing replaces the visual pleasure of being able to browse and handle the actual book. For those who are looking to escape the winter blues come to Dixie and lets party. Thanks for this report, Kendall! We probably need more of this sort of information exchange and community spirit in the LDS/Mormon collecting world. The more we know, the more we will . . . want to know. Rick Grunder Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/23/2004 1:46:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, kgubler@= netutah.com writes:
It's nice to have the internet to browse but n= othing replaces the
visual pleasure of being able to browse and handle t= he actual book. For
those who are looking to escape the
winter blues=20= come to Dixie and lets party.
 
Thanks for this report, Kendall!  We probably need more of this so= rt of information exchange and community spirit in the LDS/Mormon collecting= world.  The more we know, the more we will . . . want to know.
 
Rick Grunder
- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re:Emmett Harrington Date: 23 Jan 2004 14:46:38 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Emmett's old shop was just a few blocks from my office. I often would wander over there at lunch, bury myself in his overstuffed leather chair, and chew the fat with him about the book world. Emmett is the epitomy of the "gentleman bookseller." He knows a lot and is always willing to share. But I never heard him utter a bad word about anyone. He's also one of the few guys who still regularly produces a printed catalog. And it's always a fine one at that. I'm still not sure about how he and Bonnie will fit in the culture of Southern Utah, but we had many conversations about it and he's certainly game. Our loss is your gain, Kendall. -----Original Message----- Sent: Jan 22, 2004 10:42 PM As many of you know, Emmett Harrington was moving to Ivins Utah last fall. I finally reached him by phone in the middle of December. Last weekend I managed to spend some time with Emmett and Bonnie(what a lovely lady ). Harrington Fine Books is Located in the Coyote Gulch Art Village at Kayenta, near the city of St. George(about 5 miles west ). His shop is open from 11 to 5 Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and of course other days by appointment. Phone numbers 1-888-674-3555, or local 435-674-3555. For those who fondly remember his shop in San Francisco, you are in for a treat. His new shop is about 1and 1/2 times larger, and the layout is much nicer. His inventory is like the shop and is just great. He had a few mormon items on hand and his western americana stock left me drolling. I did purchase a first edition of Stewart H. Holbrook's "The Old Post Road" The Story of the Boston Post Road. When Emmett was writing it up his eyebrows raised and he asked why the purchase of a book about Boston. When I mentioned I was collecting The American trails Series it was oaky. The Purchase that really tickled me was a second printing of "The Great Rascal" The exploits of the amazing Ned Buntline. Not a expensive book, but the dust jacket was crisp and the colors were bright and vibrant, they practically jumped of the shelf and into my hands. It's nice to have the internet to browse but nothing replaces the visual pleasure of being able to browse and handle the actual book. For those who are looking to escape the winter blues come to Dixie and lets party. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Snow, Donald R." Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Things that Endure Date: 26 Jan 2004 08:22:41 -0700 --=====================_7171502==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hey, Keith, I thought of my office at BYU, too! You may be interested to know that except for 100 cartons of math books that are still in storage, my BYU office is cleaned out now. All my church and family history books are at home and here in St. George. Don At 09:07 PM 1/22/2004, Keith Irwin wrote: >Why, this reminds me of my visit to fellow Bookshelfer Don Snow's office >at BYU! Just enough of a path to get to his desk, as I recall. I >remember thinking, "Now THIS is a guy with a passion for books! > >Tell 'em it's true, Don. > >Keith > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of RickBook@aol.com >Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:18 AM >To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Things that Endure > >I heard a feature on National Public Radio this morning about compulsive >hoarding. The lead-in story said that a forty-two-year-old man in the >Bronx was trapped in his apartment for two days by falling books and >newspapers which he had accumulated. The speaker then mentioned some >pocket-sized "Collier Park ?" in New York City where, years ago, two >brothers were found dead in their four-story brownstone house, killed by a >similar mishap; "hundreds of tons" of newspapers were found in that >building, the report said. And of course we have all heard the story of >what's-his-name in Europe killed a few centuries ago by a falling bookcase >full of folios (which is why we now keep our larger volumes on bottom shelves). > >A dozen years ago, I visited the retired historian of our county. He >lived in a perfectly respectable downtown high-rise apartment >building. But the moment you stepped through the front door, you were in >another world. A path perhaps two feet wide led from room to room. On >each side of the path were books, papers, and newspapers piled several >feet high. The man who negotiated this labyrinth each hour of his life >had an artificial leg. I remember him propping himself up on a bar stool, >in order to use the kitchen cabinet as a desk, where he had cleared a >space large enough to accommodate a folded newspaper to peruse. > >Then there was Dorothy W., back in Indiana in the 1980s. She came up to >me at a book fair one day and started chatting. Despite her impressive >body odor, she was pleasant enough, and intelligent - perhaps in her >seventies. I ended up visiting her home, where she had complete sets of >John Gould's folio bird books (not Audubon prices, but very >valuable). She also had a trunk with many choice individual folio prints >from other, broken sets. All hand colored; each worth hundreds of >dollars even then. > >I used her bathroom. The tub was dry and filled with more >collectibles. Her house was very cold, and I later learned that she had >insulted well meaning neighbors who had ordered a load of coal delivered >free of charge. > >There is an aging couple within an hour of my house who are truly on their >last legs. I have not been to their home, but a collector friend >describes the amazing treasures everywhere - room after room. They won't >let him up in the book room. > >And so, fellow collectors, as we observe alarming current events at home >and abroad, as we endure the lagging economy, or see teenagers on >television who are unable to name the countries which border the United >States, take heart! There are still folks out there who preserve the old >values . . . > > > >RickBook Dr. Donald R. Snow, Retired Prof of Math, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah 84602 snowd@math.byu.edu, drs31@juno.com Temporarily on a Family History Mission at the St. George Regional Family History Training Center, St. George, Utah -- home phone in St. George 435-673-1932 --=====================_7171502==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hey, Keith, I thought of my office at BYU, too!  You may be interested to know that except for 100 cartons of math books that are still in storage, my BYU office is cleaned out now.  All my church and family history books are at home and here in St. George.

Don


At 09:07 PM 1/22/2004, Keith Irwin wrote:
Why, this reminds me of my visit to fellow Bookshelfer Don Snow’s office at BYU!  Just enough of a path to get to his desk, as I recall.  I remember thinking, “Now THIS is a guy with a passion for books!
 
Tell ‘em it’s true, Don.
 
Keith
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of RickBook@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:18 AM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Things that Endure
 
I heard a feature on National Public Radio this morning about compulsive hoarding.  The lead-in story said that a forty-two-year-old man in the Bronx was trapped in his apartment for two days by falling books and newspapers which he had accumulated.  The speaker then mentioned some pocket-sized "Collier Park ?" in New York City where, years ago, two brothers were found dead in their four-story brownstone house, killed by a similar mishap;  "hundreds of tons" of newspapers were found in that building, the report said.  And of course we have all heard the story of what's-his-name in Europe killed a few centuries ago by a falling bookcase full of folios (which is why we now keep our larger volumes on bottom shelves).
 
A dozen years ago, I visited the retired historian of our county.  He lived in a perfectly respectable downtown high-rise apartment building.  But the moment you stepped through the front door, you were in another world.  A path perhaps two feet wide led from room to room.  On each side of the path were books, papers, and newspapers piled several feet high.  The man who negotiated this labyrinth each hour of his life had an artificial leg.  I remember him propping himself up on a bar stool, in order to use the kitchen cabinet as a desk, where he had cleared a space large enough to accommodate a folded newspaper to peruse.
 
Then there was Dorothy W., back in Indiana in the 1980s.  She came up to me at a book fair one day and started chatting.  Despite her impressive body odor, she was pleasant enough, and intelligent - perhaps in her seventies.  I ended up visiting her home, where she had complete sets of John Gould's folio bird books (not Audubon prices, but very valuable).  She also had a trunk with many choice individual folio prints from other, broken sets.  All hand colored;  each worth hundreds of dollars even then.
 
I used her bathroom.  The tub was dry and filled with more collectibles.  Her house was very cold, and I later learned that she had insulted well meaning neighbors who had ordered a load of coal delivered free of charge.
 
There is an aging couple within an hour of my house who are truly on their last legs.  I have not been to their home, but a collector friend describes the amazing treasures everywhere - room after room.  They won't let him up in the book room.
 
And so, fellow collectors, as we observe alarming current events at home and abroad, as we endure the lagging economy, or see teenagers on television who are unable to name the countries which border the United States, take heart!  There are still folks out there who preserve the old values . . .
 
<acquisitive grin>
 
RickBook


Dr. Donald R. Snow, Retired Prof of Math, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah 84602
snowd@math.byu.edu, drs31@juno.com
Temporarily on a Family History Mission at the St. George Regional Family History Training Center, St. George, Utah -- home phone in St. George 435-673-1932 --=====================_7171502==.ALT-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan B. Adair" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Things that Endure Date: 26 Jan 2004 09:12:43 -0700 [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Snow, Donald R. > >Hey, Keith, I thought of my office at BYU, too! >You may be interested to know that except for 100 >cartons of math books that are still in storage, >my BYU office is cleaned out now. All my church >and family history books are at home and here in >St. George. Reminds me of the office of Marion "Doc" Smith, the mentor for all the Science Fiction writers at BYU. After filling all the shelves, he started stacking books up on the desk, tables, floor. Last time I saw his office, there were stacks of books up to the ceiling, with just enough space for he and a student to sit, but the student had to lean to one side to fit under a stack of books that threatened to collapse at any moment. MBA - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Eccles Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] E-Bay article Date: 26 Jan 2004 08:36:06 -0800 (PST) --0-865627356-1075134966=:51237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you haven't read this, you might want to read it while it is available on their website for free. It is about the rising e-bay fraud level. --Steve http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Jan/01252004/business/132032.asp --0-865627356-1075134966=:51237 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
If you haven't read this, you might want to read it while it is available on their website for free. It is about the rising e-bay fraud level.
 
--Steve
 
--0-865627356-1075134966=:51237-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] E-Bay article Date: 26 Jan 2004 09:54:58 -0700 Dear LDS Bookshelfers, I'm writing an article for Firsts magazine regarding fraud in the book trade, and especially how the rise of the internet (ebay in particular) has created a whole new magnitude of fraud. I myself have recently purchased two fakes from ebay. ABAA president Ken Lopez and myself wasted nine months last year (at ebay's behest) trying to sort thru their fraud issues to no avail. The short answer is they have no interest in stopping most types of fraud. In my opnion it will take a multi million dollar class action lawsuit to get their attention. If any of you have any book fraud stories to share, on or off the internet, I'd be interested in your emailing them to me. Ken Sanders Steve Eccles wrote: > If you haven't read this, you might want to read it while it is > available on their website for free. It is about the rising e-bay fraud > level. > > --Steve > > http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Jan/01252004/business/132032.asp -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edlund, Mark J." Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re:Emmett Harrington Date: 26 Jan 2004 13:21:41 -0600 I will miss visiting Emmett in his SF shop-in my opinion it was the = finest shop for Western Americana on the West Coast. Great books, = reasonable pricing, and a pleasant and knowledgeable owner. I will have = to visit him in his new place, although for some of us it is a bit out = of the way. Re his catalogues, I was visiting with Glen Dawson at his place in = Pasadena a few years back, and he spontaneously took out one of Emmett's = catalogues to praise it. High praise from a man who has seen (and = produced) many fine catalogues over the years. I have a question re Juanita Brooks' bio of Dudley Leavitt that was = published in 1942. First, was there a dj? Second, there are two = bindings, a light blue and dark blue, which differed somewhat in the = order of the preliminary material. Is one preferable? Are they both = considered true first editions? Also, was the book reprinted in both = wraps and boards, or just in wraps? Who reprinted it, and when? Mark -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Keith = Irwin Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 4:47 PM Emmett's old shop was just a few blocks from my office. I often would = wander over there at lunch, bury myself in his overstuffed leather = chair, and chew the fat with him about the book world. Emmett is the = epitomy of the "gentleman bookseller." He knows a lot and is always = willing to share. But I never heard him utter a bad word about anyone. = He's also one of the few guys who still regularly produces a printed = catalog. And it's always a fine one at that. =20 I'm still not sure about how he and Bonnie will fit in the culture of = Southern Utah, but we had many conversations about it and he's certainly = game. Our loss is your gain, Kendall. -----Original Message----- Sent: Jan 22, 2004 10:42 PM As many of you know, Emmett Harrington was moving to Ivins Utah last=20 fall. I finally reached him by phone in the middle of December. Last weekend I managed to spend some time with Emmett and Bonnie(what a=20 lovely lady ). Harrington Fine Books is Located in the Coyote Gulch Art Village at=20 Kayenta, near the city of St. George(about 5 miles west ). His shop is open from 11 to 5 Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and of=20 course other days by appointment. Phone numbers 1-888-674-3555, or=20 local 435-674-3555. For those who fondly remember his shop in San Francisco, you are in for=20 a treat. His new shop is about 1and 1/2 times larger, and the layout is much nicer. His inventory is like the shop and is just great.=20 He had a few mormon items on hand and his western americana stock left = me drolling. I did purchase a first edition of Stewart H. Holbrook's "The Old Post=20 Road" The Story of the Boston Post Road. When Emmett was writing it up=20 his eyebrows raised and he asked why the purchase of a book about Boston. When I mentioned I=20 was collecting The American trails Series it was oaky. The Purchase that really tickled me was a second printing of "The Great=20 Rascal" The exploits of the amazing Ned Buntline. Not a expensive=20 book, but the dust jacket was crisp and the colors were bright and vibrant, they practically jumped of the=20 shelf and into my hands. It's nice to have the internet to browse but nothing replaces the=20 visual pleasure of being able to browse and handle the actual book. For=20 those who are looking to escape the winter blues come to Dixie and lets party. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, = is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain = confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, = disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended = recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all = copies of the original message. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Juanita Brooks Date: 26 Jan 2004 12:14:23 -0800

 Lynn Pulsipher would be a better source but I hope I am of some help. The 1st edition was done in 1942, as you write, it is a light blue cloth. I believe Lynn and Hugh have both told me that there was no dj. In 1955 Juanita had it reprinted in a precise reprodution by a offset press. I have not seen a copy of this, but I believe this may be where the darker blue cloth comes in. Then in 1969 she had it reprinted in wraps.  In 1973 Juanita then published "On the Ragged Edge: The Life and Times of Dudley Leavitt". This is in dj and was reprinted again in the 1880s?. An interesting side note. "On the Ragged Edge" in the photo section is a photo of "Grandma Janet" that made Juanita "whooping mad" because the publisher has told her they could repair it, and they did not. She took the tintype back to the publisher and demanding they restore it and add it to the remaining volumes to be printed. She then had the publisher give her copies which she inserted in unsold copies and she sent family copies and a letter explaining the problem.

Joe 

>I have a question re Juanita Brooks' bio of Dudley Leavitt that was published in 1942.  First, was there a dj?  Second, there are two bindings, a light blue and dark blue, which differed somewhat in the order of the preliminary material.  Is one preferable?  Are they both considered true first editions?  Also, was the book reprinted in both wraps and boards, or just in wraps?  Who reprinted it, and when?


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Ken,

I don't believe you are on Mormon-Library. If you want, either Steve or I could forward your request to that list delete the Dear Bookshelfers and add Mormon-Library and your email address.

Joe

>Dear LDS Bookshelfers,
>
>I'm writing an article for Firsts magazine regarding fraud in the
>book trade, and especially how the rise of the internet (ebay in
>particular) has created a whole new magnitude of fraud.  I myself
>have recently purchased two fakes from ebay.  ABAA president Ken
>Lopez and myself wasted nine months last year (at ebay's behest)
>trying to sort thru their fraud issues to no avail.  The short
>answer is they have no interest in  stopping most types of fraud.  
>In my opnion it will take a multi million dollar class action
>lawsuit to get their attention.
>
>If any of you have any book fraud stories to share, on or off the
>internet, I'd be interested in your emailing them to me.
>
>Ken Sanders

Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] E-Bay article Date: 26 Jan 2004 16:31:23 -0700 Sure that would be fine. Joe Geisner wrote: > Ken, >=20 > I don't believe you are on Mormon-Library. If you want, either Steve or= =20 > I could forward your request to that list delete the Dear Bookshelfers=20 > and add Mormon-Library and your email address. >=20 > Joe >=20 > >Dear LDS Bookshelfers, > > > >I'm writing an article for Firsts magazine regarding fraud in the > >book trade, and especially how the rise of the internet (ebay in > >particular) has created a whole new magnitude of fraud. I myself > >have recently purchased two fakes from ebay. ABAA president Ken > >Lopez and myself wasted nine months last year (at ebay's behest) > >trying to sort thru their fraud issues to no avail. The short > >answer is they have no interest in stopping most types of fraud. =20 > >In my opnion it will take a multi million dollar class action > >lawsuit to get their attention. > > > >If any of you have any book fraud stories to share, on or off the > >internet, I'd be interested in your emailing them to me. > > > >Ken Sanders >=20 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > Find high-speed =91net deals =97 comparison-shop your local providers h= ere.=20 > =20 > ---------------------------------------------------------- -=20 > LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe= ,=20 > send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe=20 > lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance,=20 > mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" --=20 Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt Date: 26 Jan 2004 15:43:14 -0800

I have done some additional research and I have found a few things out, and become confused on other.

It seems that the 1942 printing could be in both a "light" blue and "dark" blue cloth. Some 1942 printing has a blank page after title page and then the forward, and some 1942 printings forward starts on the back side of the title page.

The 1955 reprint sometimes has a sticker from Hiller Bookbinding co. SLC, Utah. It is 115 pages, same title page, blank page then forward, all like the 1942 printing. It does seem the cloth is different. It is described as turqiouse blue, but I really don'y know what the difference in color is since I have not seen a copy.

All said, it is very possible to mistake a 1955 printing for a 1942. I bought my copy from Lynn and at the time he believed it to be a 1942 copy. Unfortunately I am no longer sure. It is the "light" blue cloth, forward starting on back side of title page and 115 pages long. My particular copy does have some family genealogy papers that pre-dates 1942 and that might indicate it is a 1942 printing, but who knows.

Joe


Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt Date: 26 Jan 2004 17:17:57 -0700 The quality of the printing is different between the true 1942 first=20 printings and all later printings. Joe Geisner wrote: > I have done some additional research and I have found a few things out,= =20 > and become confused on other. >=20 > It seems that the 1942 printing could be in both a "light" blue and=20 > "dark" blue cloth. Some 1942 printing has a blank page after title page= =20 > and then the forward, and some 1942 printings forward starts on the bac= k=20 > side of the title page. >=20 > The 1955 reprint sometimes has a sticker from Hiller Bookbinding co.=20 > SLC, Utah. It is 115 pages, same title page, blank page then forward,=20 > all like the 1942 printing. It does seem the cloth is different. It is=20 > described as turqiouse blue, but I really don'y know what the differenc= e=20 > in color is since I have not seen a copy. >=20 > All said, it is very possible to mistake a 1955 printing for a 1942. I=20 > bought my copy from Lynn and at the time he believed it to be a 1942=20 > copy. Unfortunately I am no longer sure. It is the "light" blue cloth,=20 > forward starting on back side of title page and 115 pages long. My=20 > particular copy does have some family genealogy papers that pre-dates=20 > 1942 and that might indicate it is a 1942 printing, but who knows. >=20 > Joe >=20 >=20 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > Find high-speed =91net deals =97 comparison-shop your local providers h= ere.=20 > =20 > ---------------------------------------------------------- -=20 > LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe= ,=20 > send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe=20 > lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance,=20 > mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" --=20 Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Curt Bench" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt Date: 26 Jan 2004 18:34:46 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C3E43B.12FB5350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I talked to Anne Wilde who still runs Pioneer Press about this question. = They printed 500 copies of Dudley Leavitt for Juanita Brooks sometime = after 1970 (she'd have to consult her notes to determine exactly when, = but their first book wasn't printed until late 1969). Hiller bound them = in a turquoise-like cloth. As far as she knows this was the first and = only reprint in cloth, but she's not sure. They did a paperback reprint = a few years later. She doesn't know anything about a 1955 reprint but = says it obviously could not be Pioneer Press's book.=20 I'll check my copies at home for color, dates, etc. and post any new = info. I find. Otherwise, I hope this helps. Curt ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Geisner=20 To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 4:43 PM Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt I have done some additional research and I have found a few things = out, and become confused on other. It seems that the 1942 printing could be in both a "light" blue and = "dark" blue cloth. Some 1942 printing has a blank page after title page = and then the forward, and some 1942 printings forward starts on the back = side of the title page.=20 The 1955 reprint sometimes has a sticker from Hiller Bookbinding co. = SLC, Utah. It is 115 pages, same title page, blank page then forward, = all like the 1942 printing. It does seem the cloth is different. It is = described as turqiouse blue, but I really don'y know what the difference = in color is since I have not seen a copy. All said, it is very possible to mistake a 1955 printing for a 1942. I = bought my copy from Lynn and at the time he believed it to be a 1942 = copy. Unfortunately I am no longer sure. It is the "light" blue cloth, = forward starting on back side of title page and 115 pages long. My = particular copy does have some family genealogy papers that pre-dates = 1942 and that might indicate it is a 1942 printing, but who knows. Joe ----- Find high-speed 'net deals - comparison-shop your local providers = here. ---------------------------------------------------------- - = LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, = send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe = lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, = mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"=20 ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C3E43B.12FB5350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I talked to Anne Wilde who still = runs Pioneer=20 Press about this question.  They printed 500 copies of Dudley = Leavitt for=20 Juanita Brooks sometime after 1970 (she'd have to consult her notes to = determine=20 exactly when, but their first book wasn't printed until late = 1969).  Hiller=20 bound them in a turquoise-like cloth.  As far as she knows this was = the=20 first and only reprint in cloth, but she's not sure. They did a = paperback=20 reprint a few years later.  She doesn't know anything about a=20 1955 reprint but says it obviously could not be Pioneer = Press's=20 book. 
 
I'll check my copies at home for color, = dates, etc.=20 and post any new info. I find.  Otherwise, I hope this = helps.
 
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe = Geisner=20
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmis= sion.com=20
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 = 4:43=20 PM
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] = Brooks' Dudley=20 Leavitt

I have done some additional research and I have found a few things = out, and=20 become confused on other.

It seems that the 1942 printing could be in both a = "light" blue=20 and "dark" blue cloth. Some 1942 printing has a blank page after = title=20 page and then the forward, and some 1942 printings forward = starts on=20 the back side of the title page.

The 1955 reprint sometimes has a sticker from Hiller Bookbinding co. SLC, Utah. It is 115 pages, same title = page,=20 blank page then forward, all like the 1942 printing. It does seem the = cloth is=20 different. It is described as turqiouse blue, but I really don'y know = what the=20 difference in color is since I have not seen a copy.

All said, it is very possible to = mistake a 1955=20 printing for a 1942. I bought my copy from Lynn and at the time he = believed=20 it to be a 1942 copy. Unfortunately I am no longer sure. It = is the=20 "light" blue cloth, forward starting on back side of title page and = 115 pages=20 long. My particular copy does have some family genealogy papers that = pre-dates=20 1942 and that might indicate it is a 1942 printing, but who = knows.

Joe


Find high-speed = =91net deals =97=20 comparison-shop your local providers here.=20 ---------------------------------------------------------- - = LDS-Bookshelf,=20 information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an = email to=20 "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without = quotes)=20 in the message body. - For assistance, mail to=20 "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C3E43B.12FB5350-- - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hjmckell@xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt Date: 26 Jan 2004 20:18:02 -0700 I have two copies. A dark blue and a lighter blue cloth binding. Both have a date of 1942. The lighter blue copy actually looks older.... I have laid in the darker blue copy a print-out from ebay dated 10/10/99. It is from dixieflyer - for whatever they know. Ebay item 179255703.. "Dudley Leavitt Pioneer to Southern Utah by Jaunita Broods, Hardback 1942. 115 pages Very good condition with some mild scuffing and wear to the cover. Thie is a "pirated" copy of the original by Juanita Brooks. Some family member apparentlly unbeknowns to Juanita had these copies made also in 1942 without her permission. It has exactly the same appearance of the original except the blue of the cover is slightly different and it has a slightly different look to it. Only so many of hese were mad and those are difficult to have family members and collertores part with...." SO the mystery condinues. Hugh Quoting Curt Bench : > I talked to Anne Wilde who still runs Pioneer Press about this question. > They printed 500 copies of Dudley Leavitt for Juanita Brooks sometime > after 1970 (she'd have to consult her notes to determine exactly when, > but their first book wasn't printed until late 1969). Hiller bound them > in a turquoise-like cloth. As far as she knows this was the first and > only reprint in cloth, but she's not sure. They did a paperback reprint a > few years later. She doesn't know anything about a 1955 reprint but says > it obviously could not be Pioneer Press's book. > > I'll check my copies at home for color, dates, etc. and post any new > info. I find. Otherwise, I hope this helps. > > Curt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Geisner > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 4:43 PM > Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt > > > I have done some additional research and I have found a few things out, > and become confused on other. > > It seems that the 1942 printing could be in both a "light" blue and > "dark" blue cloth. Some 1942 printing has a blank page after title page > and then the forward, and some 1942 printings forward starts on the back > side of the title page. > > The 1955 reprint sometimes has a sticker from Hiller Bookbinding co. > SLC, Utah. It is 115 pages, same title page, blank page then forward, all > like the 1942 printing. It does seem the cloth is different. It is > described as turqiouse blue, but I really don'y know what the difference > in color is since I have not seen a copy. > > All said, it is very possible to mistake a 1955 printing for a 1942. I > bought my copy from Lynn and at the time he believed it to be a 1942 > copy. Unfortunately I am no longer sure. It is the "light" blue cloth, > forward starting on back side of title page and 115 pages long. My > particular copy does have some family genealogy papers that pre-dates > 1942 and that might indicate it is a 1942 printing, but who knows. > > Joe > > > > > Find high-speed 'net deals - comparison-shop your local providers here. > ---------------------------------------------------------- - > LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, > send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe > lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, > mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kim Leavitt" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt Date: 26 Jan 2004 23:27:02 -0500 I've heard of this darker blue version, from Lynn Pulsipher, if I remember correctly. I seem to recall him saying that the original binding was slightly larger than the pirated version. The easiest way to tell the original from the later light version was the size. I've never seen an original 1942 copy. Are your dark and light copies the same size? -Kim Leavitt -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of hjmckell@xmission.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:18 PM I have two copies. A dark blue and a lighter blue cloth binding. Both have a date of 1942. The lighter blue copy actually looks older.... I have laid in the darker blue copy a print-out from ebay dated 10/10/99. It is from dixieflyer - for whatever they know. Ebay item 179255703.. "Dudley Leavitt Pioneer to Southern Utah by Jaunita Broods, Hardback 1942. 115 pages Very good condition with some mild scuffing and wear to the cover. Thie is a "pirated" copy of the original by Juanita Brooks. Some family member apparentlly unbeknowns to Juanita had these copies made also in 1942 without her permission. It has exactly the same appearance of the original except the blue of the cover is slightly different and it has a slightly different look to it. Only so many of hese were mad and those are difficult to have family members and collertores part with...." SO the mystery condinues. Hugh Quoting Curt Bench : > I talked to Anne Wilde who still runs Pioneer Press about this question. > They printed 500 copies of Dudley Leavitt for Juanita Brooks sometime > after 1970 (she'd have to consult her notes to determine exactly when, > but their first book wasn't printed until late 1969). Hiller bound them > in a turquoise-like cloth. As far as she knows this was the first and > only reprint in cloth, but she's not sure. They did a paperback reprint a > few years later. She doesn't know anything about a 1955 reprint but says > it obviously could not be Pioneer Press's book. > > I'll check my copies at home for color, dates, etc. and post any new > info. I find. Otherwise, I hope this helps. > > Curt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Geisner > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 4:43 PM > Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt > > > I have done some additional research and I have found a few things out, > and become confused on other. > > It seems that the 1942 printing could be in both a "light" blue and > "dark" blue cloth. Some 1942 printing has a blank page after title page > and then the forward, and some 1942 printings forward starts on the back > side of the title page. > > The 1955 reprint sometimes has a sticker from Hiller Bookbinding co. > SLC, Utah. It is 115 pages, same title page, blank page then forward, all > like the 1942 printing. It does seem the cloth is different. It is > described as turqiouse blue, but I really don'y know what the difference > in color is since I have not seen a copy. > > All said, it is very possible to mistake a 1955 printing for a 1942. I > bought my copy from Lynn and at the time he believed it to be a 1942 > copy. Unfortunately I am no longer sure. It is the "light" blue cloth, > forward starting on back side of title page and 115 pages long. My > particular copy does have some family genealogy papers that pre-dates > 1942 and that might indicate it is a 1942 printing, but who knows. > > Joe > > > > ------ > Find high-speed 'net deals - comparison-shop your local providers here. > ---------------------------------------------------------- - > LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, > send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe > lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, > mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lark and Mick Reasor" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt Date: 26 Jan 2004 22:40:50 -0600 > > SO the mystery condinues. > Hugh > > Got a cold, Hugh? Mick - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt Date: 26 Jan 2004 21:55:56 -0800

Thanks Curt. I got the dates of cloth and wraps from Levi Peterson's book. Peterson writes that the 1955 printing was done in SLC and I thought this was the Hiller printing. Obviously this is wrong. Peterson also writes that the 1969 printing by Ogden was only in wraps. Again this seems to be wrong.

Peterson writes nothing about a pirated printing done by a family member. Though I have heard this story. Peterson does write that the Pioneer Press printing is in a smaller type than the other two printings.

The two BYU special collections copies are the "light" blue with the forward starting after the blank page.

Joe

>I talked to Anne Wilde who still runs Pioneer Press about this question.  They printed 500 copies of Dudley Leavitt for Juanita Brooks sometime after 1970 (she'd have to consult her notes to determine exactly when, but their first book wasn't printed until late 1969).  Hiller bound them in a turquoise-like cloth.  As far as she knows this was the first and only reprint in cloth, but she's not sure. They did a paperback reprint a few years later.  She doesn't know anything about a 1955 reprint but says it obviously could not be Pioneer Press's book.

>
>I'll check my copies at home for color, dates, etc. and post any new info. I find.  Otherwise, I hope this helps.

Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hjmckell@xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt Date: 27 Jan 2004 08:26:40 -0700 No it's the plu. The Chekin verity. But life is good! Hugh Quoting Lark and Mick Reasor : > > > > > SO the mystery condinues. > > Hugh > > > > > > Got a cold, Hugh? > > Mick > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Curt Bench" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt Date: 27 Jan 2004 11:23:35 -0700 I have the dark blue and lighter blue hardbacks & Pioneer Press paperback (smaller size with same type but reduced). The lighter blue copy was signed and dated by Juanita Brooks in 1968 (thus predating the Pioneer Press ed. by two or more years). The dark blue has the same typography and is the same size (height & width but is thicker due to heavier paper) as the light but has the foreword begin opposite the verso of the title page which is blank. In the light blue the foreword begins on the verso of the title page. The dark blue ed. is a higher quality book: cloth, gilt stamping, paper, photos are on slick paper (in lt. blue they're reproduced on the same paper as the text). I don't have a hardback Pioneer Press copy but suspect it is also the smaller size (like their paperback) and not of as good a quality as the others. I'll try to get a copy to compare with. Since apparently in all editions the same plates were used, it's difficult to determine priority. The first was published in 1942, but which one is it and who printed and bound it? Peterson doesn't say in his Brooks biography. He says a firm called Sugarhouse Press reprinted it in 1955. Which book is that one? Indeed, the mystery does go on. This probably doesn't deserve hours of time, but I'm intrigued by the unknown. Can anyone help solve this puzzle? Curt ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:27 PM > I've heard of this darker blue version, from Lynn Pulsipher, if I > remember correctly. I seem to recall him saying that the original > binding was slightly larger than the pirated version. The easiest way > to tell the original from the later light version was the size. I've > never seen an original 1942 copy. Are your dark and light copies the > same size? > > -Kim Leavitt > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > hjmckell@xmission.com > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:18 PM > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt > > > I have two copies. > A dark blue and a lighter blue cloth binding. > Both have a date of 1942. > The lighter blue copy actually looks older.... > I have laid in the darker blue copy a print-out from ebay dated > 10/10/99. > It is from dixieflyer - for whatever they know. Ebay item 179255703.. > "Dudley Leavitt Pioneer to Southern Utah by Jaunita Broods, Hardback > 1942. > 115 pages Very good condition with some mild scuffing and wear to the > cover. Thie is a "pirated" copy of the original by Juanita Brooks. Some > family member apparentlly unbeknowns to Juanita had these copies made > also > in 1942 without her permission. It has exactly the same appearance of > the > original except the blue of the cover is slightly different and it has a > slightly different look to it. Only so many of hese were mad and those > are > difficult to have family members and collertores part with...." > > SO the mystery condinues. > Hugh > > > Quoting Curt Bench : > > > I talked to Anne Wilde who still runs Pioneer Press about this > question. > > They printed 500 copies of Dudley Leavitt for Juanita Brooks sometime > > after 1970 (she'd have to consult her notes to determine exactly when, > > but their first book wasn't printed until late 1969). Hiller bound > them > > in a turquoise-like cloth. As far as she knows this was the first and > > only reprint in cloth, but she's not sure. They did a paperback > reprint a > > few years later. She doesn't know anything about a 1955 reprint but > says > > it obviously could not be Pioneer Press's book. > > > > I'll check my copies at home for color, dates, etc. and post any new > > info. I find. Otherwise, I hope this helps. > > > > Curt > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joe Geisner > > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 4:43 PM > > Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt > > > > > > I have done some additional research and I have found a few things > out, > > and become confused on other. > > > > It seems that the 1942 printing could be in both a "light" blue and > > "dark" blue cloth. Some 1942 printing has a blank page after title > page > > and then the forward, and some 1942 printings forward starts on the > back > > side of the title page. > > > > The 1955 reprint sometimes has a sticker from Hiller Bookbinding co. > > SLC, Utah. It is 115 pages, same title page, blank page then forward, > all > > like the 1942 printing. It does seem the cloth is different. It is > > described as turqiouse blue, but I really don'y know what the > difference > > in color is since I have not seen a copy. > > > > All said, it is very possible to mistake a 1955 printing for a 1942. > I > > bought my copy from Lynn and at the time he believed it to be a 1942 > > copy. Unfortunately I am no longer sure. It is the "light" blue cloth, > > forward starting on back side of title page and 115 pages long. My > > particular copy does have some family genealogy papers that pre-dates > > 1942 and that might indicate it is a 1942 printing, but who knows. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > > Find high-speed 'net deals - comparison-shop your local providers > here. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- - > > LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To > unsubscribe, > > send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe > > lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, > > mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt Date: 27 Jan 2004 14:22:00 -0800
These are forward messages from Lynn Pulsipher with his permission.
 
From: LYNN PULSIPHER
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:24 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Brooks
 
The 1st edition [1942] of Dudley Leavitt--Pioneer To Southern Utah is a 6x9 blue cloth with gold lettering on the front with nothing on the spine.  Around 1969--if I remember correctly--it was Lyman Hafen at the Spectrum in St. George who did the second printing in blue cloth and in a reduced size.  One day grandma got a phone call asking if he could print another edition and grandma said 'ok' verbally but without any thing written down.  It was in the stores there within weeks or days.  Grandma suspected that the book was already printed and bound and that he was just going through a formality.  He didn't bother to put a 'second edition' or a 'year' on the copyright page and left 1942 on the title page.  As far as I know, the paperback blue and white copy was never authorized by the family and is completely illegitimate.  Check with Karl & Carla Brooks at 356 N. Main in St. George, UT 84770 for more exact info on this p/b printing.  On The Ragged Edge was completely revised by grandma and arranged for its publication by the Historical Society.  The 2nd edition that was done just recently for a reunion was paid for by 'Tad' and Willa Derrick, her daughter.  You might want to print this and file it away. Everything is going well here in Provo.  Does the 1955 printing have that actual year printed on it? Could you give me a description?  Lynn
 
 
From: LYNN PULSIPHER
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:33 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Dudley Leavitt
 
Please do. My copy has light blue cloth and is signed on the title page: "Oct. 10, 1958  To Cousins: Mr. & Mrs. Frank A. Woolley    Juanita Brooks The Author"      Lynn Pulsipher
 
----- Original Message -----
From: LYNN PULSIPHER
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:05 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Dudley Leavitt
 
I suspect that I have the '1955' edition in light blue cloth w/o the date being changed, and that the 1942 edition had the darker cloth. as far as I know the '1955' edition was an exact reprint--same book size, same type, same pagination, etc.--just different color cloth.  I had one in dark cloth not signed, and sold it when I got the signed copy--now I'm wishing I'd kept it. If I recollect correctly, the p/b edition was floating around in the 70's and early 80's and was around while On The Ragged Edge was out of print.  LP
 
----- Original Message -----
From: LYNN PULSIPHER
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:12 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Dudley Leavitt
 
I just called Carla and she knew even less than I did about the editions than me, so writing to them would be a dead-end. Lynn

And then Lynn's last post to me:

I was just up at BYU Special Collections, and they have a dark blue cloth copy that was given to Heber J. Grant [d. 1945] by Dudley Henry Leavitt, the son of Dudley Leavitt and my g. grandfather. Lynn


There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edlund, Mark J." Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt Date: 27 Jan 2004 16:51:54 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E528.291134F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is the 2nd edition of On the Ragged Edge that Lynn notes still available = for sale? =20 Mark =20 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joe Geisner Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 4:22 PM =20 These are forward messages from Lynn Pulsipher with his permission. =20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:24 AM =20 The 1st edition [1942] of Dudley Leavitt--Pioneer To Southern Utah is a = 6x9 blue cloth with gold lettering on the front with nothing on the = spine. Around 1969--if I remember correctly--it was Lyman Hafen at the = Spectrum in St. George who did the second printing in blue cloth and in = a reduced size. One day grandma got a phone call asking if he could = print another edition and grandma said 'ok' verbally but without any = thing written down. It was in the stores there within weeks or days. = Grandma suspected that the book was already printed and bound and that = he was just going through a formality. He didn't bother to put a = 'second edition' or a 'year' on the copyright page and left 1942 on the = title page. As far as I know, the paperback blue and white copy was = never authorized by the family and is completely illegitimate. Check = with Karl & Carla Brooks at 356 N. Main in St. George, UT 84770 for more = exact info on this p/b printing. On The Ragged Edge was completely = revised by grandma and arranged for its publication by the Historical = Society. The 2nd edition that was done just recently for a reunion was = paid for by 'Tad' and Willa Derrick, her daughter. You might want to = print this and file it away. Everything is going well here in Provo. = Does the 1955 printing have that actual year printed on it? Could you = give me a description? Lynn =20 =20 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:33 AM =20 Please do. My copy has light blue cloth and is signed on the title page: = "Oct. 10, 1958 To Cousins: Mr. & Mrs. Frank A. Woolley Juanita = Brooks The Author" Lynn Pulsipher =20 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:05 AM =20 I suspect that I have the '1955' edition in light blue cloth w/o the = date being changed, and that the 1942 edition had the darker cloth. as = far as I know the '1955' edition was an exact reprint--same book size, = same type, same pagination, etc.--just different color cloth. I had one = in dark cloth not signed, and sold it when I got the signed copy--now = I'm wishing I'd kept it. If I recollect correctly, the p/b edition was = floating around in the 70's and early 80's and was around while On The = Ragged Edge was out of print. LP =20 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:12 AM =20 I just called Carla and she knew even less than I did about the editions = than me, so writing to them would be a dead-end. Lynn And then Lynn's last post to me: I was just up at BYU Special Collections, and they have a dark blue = cloth copy that was given to Heber J. Grant [d. 1945] by Dudley Henry = Leavitt, the son of Dudley Leavitt and my g. grandfather. Lynn _____ =20 There are now three new levels of = MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! = Learn more.=20 LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, = send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe = lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, = mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, = is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain = confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, = disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended = recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all = copies of the original message. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3E528.291134F9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is= the 2nd edition of On the Ragged Edge that Lynn notes still available for = sale?

 

Ma= rk

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joe Geisner
Sent: Tuesday, January = 27, 2004 4:22 PM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [LDS-Bookshelf] Brooks' Dudley Leavitt

 

These are forward messages from Lynn Pulsipher with his = permission.<= /p>

 <= /p>

From: LYNN PULSIPHER

Sent: Tuesday, = January 27, 2004 8:24 AM

To: =

Subject: Re: Brooks

 <= /p>

The 1st edition [1942] of Dudley Leavitt--Pioneer To Southern Utah is a 6x9 blue = cloth with gold lettering on the front with nothing on the spine.  Around 1969--if I remember correctly--it was Lyman Hafen at the Spectrum in St. = George who did the second printing in blue cloth and in a reduced size.  = One day grandma got a phone call asking if he could print another edition and = grandma said 'ok' verbally but without any thing written down.  It was in = the stores there within weeks or days.  Grandma suspected that the book = was already printed and bound and that he was just going through a = formality.  He didn't bother to put a 'second edition' or a 'year' on the copyright = page and left 1942 on the title page.  As far as I know, the paperback = blue and white copy was never authorized by the family and is completely illegitimate.  Check with Karl & Carla Brooks at 356 N. Main in = St. George, UT 84770 for more exact info on this p/b printing.  On The = Ragged Edge was completely revised by grandma and arranged for its = publication by the Historical Society.  The 2nd edition that was done just = recently for a reunion was paid for by 'Tad' and Willa Derrick, her = daughter.  You might want to print this and file it away. Everything is going well here = in Provo.  Does the 1955 printing have that actual year printed on it? = Could you give me a description?  Lynn<= /p>

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

From: LYNN PULSIPHER

Sent: Tuesday, = January 27, 2004 8:33 AM

To: =

Subject: Re: Dudley Leavitt

 <= /p>

Please do. My copy has light blue cloth and is signed on the title page: "Oct. = 10, 1958  To Cousins: Mr. & Mrs. Frank A. Woolley    Juanita Brooks The Author"      Lynn = Pulsipher<= /p>

 <= /p>

----- Original Message -----

From: LYNN = PULSIPHER

Sent: Tuesday, = January 27, 2004 11:05 AM

To: =

Subject: Re: Dudley Leavitt

 <= /p>

I = suspect that I have the '1955' edition in light blue cloth w/o the date being = changed, and that the 1942 edition had the darker cloth. as far as I know the = '1955' edition was an exact reprint--same book size, same type, same = pagination, etc.--just different color cloth.  I had one in dark cloth not = signed, and sold it when I got the signed copy--now I'm wishing I'd kept it. If I = recollect correctly, the p/b edition was floating around in the 70's and early = 80's and was around while On The Ragged Edge was out of print.  = LP<= /p>

 <= /p>

----- Original Message -----

From: LYNN PULSIPHER

Sent: Tuesday, = January 27, 2004 11:12 AM

To: =

Subject: Re: Dudley Leavitt

 <= /p>

I = just called Carla and she knew even less than I did about the editions than me, so = writing to them would be a dead-end. Lynn<= /p>

And then Lynn's last post to = me:<= /p>

I was just up at BYU Special = Collections, and they have a dark blue cloth copy that was given to Heber J. Grant = [d. 1945] by Dudley Henry Leavitt, the son of Dudley Leavitt and my g. = grandfather. Lynn<= /p>


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Mark,
 
Here is Lynn's email address. This is the first I had read about a 2nd edition done by the family. As I wrote before I know of a 2nd printing of "On the Ragged Edge" and it looks just like the 1st edition.
 
LYNN PULSIPHER <lynnpul@msn.com>

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