In a message dated 2/2/2004 12:00:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, rbssman@=
hotmail.com writes:
Oh, sure, Joe - now you want USEFUL information? I only deal in s=
uperficial stuff (if I want to make a living).
Actually, I don't know what the primers say. The only phrase I re=
call ever bothering to translate from one, twenty-some years ago, was,
The four-page item is excruciatingly rare. In 1981, Chad Flake pu=
lled the one in the Mormon collection at BYU, and we made a copy. Only=
later did I realize I copied the same side twice, thus missing whatever was=
on the other two pages (unless the original was that way, too, don't know).=
I have that copy somewhere, definitely, but can't recall where, or wh=
at it says.
. . . which explains why I am now the proud owner of 3 more Agatha Chri=
stie "Miss Marple" DVDs! (amazon free shipping if you buy enough).
RickBook
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Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Descent into the Maelstrom
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In a message dated 2/2/2004 11:47:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes:
>What does it all mean?
>RickBook
There's no shortage of stupid people?
Mick
OK - clearly I am in non-work mode today, and am looking for excuses to stay
online. My ugly damaged 116-page blue Deseret Book of Mormon volume has now
risen above $300, with hours to go.
Ethically, I need to revise the description immediatly, while there is still
time, and add the following to the presentation:
STOP! STOP! STOP!
Fools! Don't throw your money away. Stopping bidding with the flock, read
the description, and realize that I tried to sell better copies for twenty
years in my catalogs for $60 with nary an order. Don't collect until you are
ready.
"All we, like sheep, have gone astray." Baaaaa, Baaaaaa, Baaaaa
Or, I can just let it go, and pay for this winter's snow plowing of my
driveway. Yeah, that sounds good.
RickBook
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There's no shortage of stupid people?
Mick
OK - clearly I am in non-work mode today, and am looking for excuses to=
stay online. My ugly damaged 116-page blue Deseret Book of Mormon vol=
ume has now risen above $300, with hours to go.
Ethically, I need to revise the description immediatly, while there is=20=
still time, and add the following to the presentation:
STOP! STOP! STOP!
Fools! Don't throw your money away. Stopping=
bidding with the flock, read the description, and realize that I tried to s=
ell better copies for twenty years in my catalogs for $60 with nary an order=
. Don't collect until you are ready.
"All we, like sheep, have gone astray." Baaaaa,&nb=
sp; Baaaaaa, Baaaaa
Or, I can just let it go, and pay for this winter's snow plowing of my=20=
driveway. Yeah, that sounds good.
RickBook
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Having followed LDS-related books on eBay since 1999, there has been a tendency for book prices to depress in the summer (June through Labor Day) and then to rebound in the autumn through May. This has been observed by others in the past. However, I think this year was different. It seemed that prices did not pick up in the fall, but plummeted to their lowest levels. Early 20th century BoMs (pre-1920)typically have a low mark price on eBay of $60, but in the fall there were quite a few that sold for below $40.
But things seem to have changed in January. I see more bids and more participation by newcomers. Which I consider to be more desirable than withering away to oblivion.
Frank Marotta
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In a message dated 2/2/2004 11:47:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes:
>What does it all mean?
>RickBook
There's no shortage of stupid people?
Mick
OK - clearly I am in non-work mode today, and am looking for excuses to stay
online. My ugly damaged 116-page blue Deseret Book of Mormon volume has now
risen above $300, with hours to go.
Ethically, I need to revise the description immediatly, while there is still
time, and add the following to the presentation:
STOP! STOP! STOP!
Fools! Don't throw your money away. Stopping bidding with the flock, read
the description, and realize that I tried to sell better copies for twenty
years in my catalogs for $60 with nary an order. Don't collect until you are
ready.
"All we, like sheep, have gone astray." Baaaaa, Baaaaaa, Baaaaa
Or, I can just let it go, and pay for this winter's snow plowing of my
driveway. Yeah, that sounds good.
RickBook
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>RickBook=
There's no shortage of stupid people?
Mick
OK - clearly I am in non-work mode today, and am looking for excuses to=
stay online. My ugly damaged 116-page blue Deseret Book of Mormon vol=
ume has now risen above $300, with hours to go.
Ethically, I need to revise the description immediatly, while there is=20=
still time, and add the following to the presentation:
STOP! STOP! STOP!
Fools! Don't throw your money away. Stopping=
bidding with the flock, read the description, and realize that I tried to s=
ell better copies for twenty years in my catalogs for $60 with nary an order=
. Don't collect until you are ready.
"All we, like sheep, have gone astray." Baaaaa,&nb=
sp; Baaaaaa, Baaaaa
Or, I can just let it go, and pay for this winter's snow plowing of my=20=
driveway. Yeah, that sounds good.
RickBook
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From: "Hugh Stocks"
Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Descent into the Maelstrom
Date: 02 Feb 2004 20:46:02 -0500
Not in answer to your cogent questions, Joe (only Rick the Erudite
can handle that), but in answer to your comment that you don't
know much about the Deseret Alphabet: if you can find a copy, I
strongly recommend "38 Mormon Characters: A Forgotten Chapter
in Western Typographic History" by Roby Wentz. This is an
occasional item printed in 1978 "For the Zamorano Club Jubilee."
It gives a typographer's history of the alphabet, but includes a
reasonable description of the origins and use of the alphabet.
Incidentally, he also mentions a gravestone in the Pioneer
Cemetery in Cedar City carved in Deseret Alphabet. There are, in
fact two of them; the original sandstone has weathered to
illegibility, but the families have duplicated the inscriptions on
granite slabs.
Incidentally, Orson Pratt did in fact transliterate the whole Standard
Works into DA, but only the BoM was ever published. When I was
doing my research in the late 70's, I got a chance to look at the
manuscripts. Also some letters OP wrote to his children in Deseret
characters.
(More than you really wanted to know.)
The other Hugh
On 2 Feb 2004 at 9:00, Joe Geisner
stepped forward and proclaimed:
> Be grateful you have anything generating interest (which I am sure you
> are). Most items are not receiving any bids. I think this is for
> various reason's, not least of which is quality of what is being sold.
> Your particular presentation for this item is the best I have ever
> seen, this has probably helped generate the high interest.
>
> I too have a question, and I hope mine is not as poorly asked. I know
> nothing about the Deseret Alphabet.
>
> The two children's primers, (The Deseret First Book and The Deseret
> Second Book, 1868: Flake 2817-8), what is the subject manner? Is it
> "See Dick run. See Jane fall."?
>
> Rick, I never knew about the following four items. Very interesting.
> Thanks for sharing this information.
>
> I would think this item is "just" the alphabet, but four pages seems a
> bit long for just an alphabet. What is contained in this flyer? "The
> Deseret Alphabet." A four-page flyer (single sheet folded to form 2
> leaves, 20 cm.): Flake 2780a
>
> =95 "Deseret Alphabet." Wallet card 7.8 cm., displaying the thirty-eight
> Deseret characters and their equivalent sounds: Flake 2817 note.
>
> =95 "The Deseret Alphabet." Broadside 20 X 14 cm. listing the Deseret
> characters and English equivalents: Flake Supplement 2780b.
>
> =95 DESERET NEWS. Approximately 59 issues in 1859-60 contained short
> selections and/or the pronouncing table printed in Deseret characters.
>
> Joe
>
> >Last week, I placed half a dozen items on eBay, primarily as a way to
> >meet new customers. And yes, I did receive a nice call from a fairly
> >serious-sounding new collector (time will tell).
> >
> >What is most interesting, however - if not all that surprising - is
> >that the only item to generate any real bidding interest is a
> >crapola-copy of a common Deseret Alphabet Book of Mormon (selections)
> >volume (116 pp., blue boards). In lousy condition. It has been lying
> >on my shelves for years, where it belongs, neglected and unlisted.
> >
> >I emphasize the bad condition in the description, with a clear
> >picture illustrating the fact that it is "disfigured from moisture
> >bubbling as shown," plus other less serious defects.
> >
> >To emphasize to bidders that this was nothing to get excited about, I
> > placed no reserve on the item, and stipulated an opening bid of $30.
> >
> >Within 24 hours, the bidding was above $100, and now, with hours
> >remaining in the sale, it is over $200 . . .
> >
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3583558936&ssPageN
> >ame=3DADME:B:LC:US:1
> >
> >Or if the link fails as usual, just search eBay for Item # 3583558936
> >
> >Even more depressing (if you glance at my typically-retentive Grunder
> >description with its usual excess of historical background detail,
> >sigh) is the following e-mail question I received this morning:
> >
> > "I read that there are four different Deseret alphabet books. One
> > is the
> >entire Book of Mormon, another is approx 116 pages of lst
> >Nephi,another a primer or something. Am I halfway correct, and if
> >so, is your book the lst Nephi one? And if so, you state "part in
> >Deseret alphabet". Can you expand on that a little. Thanks for your
> >help, . . ."
> >
> >
> >If I was a trifle peevish in my reply to this person, it was because
> >I just couldn't be nice this time!
> >
> >What does it all mean?
> >
> >RickBook
>
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From: RickBook@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Descent into the Maelstrom
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In a message dated 2/2/2004 8:35:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hstocks@fuse.net writes:
I strongly recommend "38 Mormon Characters: A Forgotten Chapter in Western
Typographic History" by Roby Wentz.
Here, here! Haven't seen it in years, but read it about 1981, and was duly
impressed.
Rick the Forgetful
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From: Frank Marotta
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Descent into the Maelstrom
Date: 02 Feb 2004 22:06:51 -0500
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And to think it ended at a mere $510.00!!!!
On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:17:11 EST RickBook@aol.com writes:
In a message dated 2/2/2004 11:47:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes:
>What does it all mean?
>RickBook
There's no shortage of stupid people?
Mick
OK - clearly I am in non-work mode today, and am looking for excuses to
stay online. My ugly damaged 116-page blue Deseret Book of Mormon volume
has now risen above $300, with hours to go.
Ethically, I need to revise the description immediatly, while there is
still time, and add the following to the presentation:
STOP! STOP! STOP!
Fools! Don't throw your money away. Stopping bidding with the flock,
read the description, and realize that I tried to sell better copies for
twenty years in my catalogs for $60 with nary an order. Don't collect
until you are ready.
"All we, like sheep, have gone astray." Baaaaa, Baaaaaa, Baaaaa
Or, I can just let it go, and pay for this winter's snow plowing of my
driveway. Yeah, that sounds good.
RickBook
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And to think it ended at a mere $510.00!!!!
On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:17:11 EST
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mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes:
Or, I can just let it go, and pay for this winter's snow plowing of =
my=20
driveway. Yeah, that sounds good.
RickBook
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From: RickBook@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Descent into the Maelstrom
Date: 02 Feb 2004 22:12:12 EST
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In a message dated 2/2/2004 10:02:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fmarotta@juno.com writes:
And to think it ended at a mere $510.00!!!!
We must learn to take the bitter with the sweet. Should have put a DECENT
copy of the book on eBay, instead of that damaged one.
We used to give them away free to visiting book dealers at BYU, and sell them
to students for $15.
Hmmm. Any insights, anyone?
RG
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And to think it ended at a mere $510.=
00!!!!
We must learn to take the bitter with the sweet. Should have put=20=
a DECENT copy of the book on eBay, instead of that damaged one.
We used to give them away free to visiting book dealers at BYU, and sel=
l them to students for $15.
Hmmm. Any insights, anyone?
RG
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From: hjmckell@xmission.com
Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Descent into the Maelstrom
Date: 02 Feb 2004 20:46:44 -0700
Quoting Hugh Stocks :
>
> Incidentally, Orson Pratt did in fact transliterate the whole Standard
> Works into DA, but only the BoM was ever published. When I was
> doing my research in the late 70's, I got a chance to look at the
> manuscripts. Also some letters OP wrote to his children in Deseret
> characters.
>
> (More than you really wanted to know.)
>
> The other Hugh
>
Hi Hugh!!!
Sometime ago - somewhate on the net - maybe still available there was a site
where I was able to download the Triple Combo - BoM, PoGP and D&C -all in
Deseret alphabet. I believe it was a PDF file. It printed up very nice! I
will see if I can find the link. If not I have the file for anyone
interested.
BTW, Rick, over $500 for that book!! Way to GO!!!
THe other other Hugh
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Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Descent into the Maelstrom
Date: 02 Feb 2004 22:59:16 EST
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hjmckell@xmission.com writes:
BTW, Rick, over $500 for that book!! Way to GO!!!
THe other other Hugh
Um - I feel dirty, somehow.
But thanks!
Heading for the shower,
RickBook
In case anyone missed the utter insanity:
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B:LC:US:1
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BTW, Rick, over $500 for that book!!&nbs=
p; Way to GO!!!
THe other other Hugh
Um - I feel dirty, somehow.
But thanks!
Heading for the shower,
RickBook
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Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Descent into the Maelstrom
Date: 02 Feb 2004 21:26:56 -0700
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Rick, Rick, Rick....
I don't know how you live with yourself!!!! I hope you feel utterly
ashamed!!
Over $500.00!!! That is CRAZY!!
You never ever see me getting crazy amounts for books on Ebay!!!! (Ha
Ha!! If you believe that - You'll believe anything!!)
But... On the other hand - This does bring up the interesting question
of the morality of selling books at way above fair market price - Even
if it is in an auction setting.
I would hate Rick to get to the judgement bar and be rejected from the
CK all over a crummy Deseret Alphabet that he sold at an extortionate
amount - I know, I know, or me for some of the prices that folks have
paid for some of my meager offerings...
But what think ye?
Malcolm - Distinctive Books
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In a message dated 2/2/2004 10:47:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hjmckell@xmission.com writes:
BTW, Rick, over $500 for that book!! Way to GO!!!
THe other other Hugh
Um - I feel dirty, somehow.
But thanks!
Heading for the shower,
RickBook
In case anyone missed the utter insanity:
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In a message dated 2/2/2004 10:47:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
hjmckell@xmission.com writes:
BTW, Rick, over $500 for that book!! Way to =
GO!!!
THe other other Hugh
Um - I feel dirty, somehow.
But thanks!
Heading for the shower,
RickBook
In case anyone missed the utter insanity:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?=
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From: RickBook@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Descent into the Maelstrom
Date: 02 Feb 2004 23:33:30 EST
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In a message dated 2/2/2004 11:25:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
malcolm@distinctivebooks.com writes:
I would hate Rick to get to the judgement bar and be rejected from the CK all
over a crummy Deseret Alphabet that he sold at an extortionate amount - I
know, I know, or me for some of the prices that folks have paid for some of my
meager offerings...
But what think ye?
Oh, I don't think this will be what keeps me out of said kingdom. Guess I
had better get ready for the ultimate Descent into the Maelstrom, eh?
Speaking of descending, I have, this evening, inaugurated my "Cheap & Easy
Bargain Basement" on my rickgrunder.com website. The prices there, hopefully,
shall redeem and give comfort, until I, together with all fellow Shelfers, "am
brought forth triumphant through the air, to meet you before the pleasing bar
of the great Jehovah . . ."
In our dreams,
R. Book
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In a message dated 2/2/2004 11:25:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, malcolm@=
distinctivebooks.com writes:
I would hate Rick t=
o get to the judgement bar and be rejected from the CK all over a crummy Des=
eret Alphabet that he sold at an extortionate amount - I know, I know, or me=
for some of the prices that folks have paid for some of my meager offerings=
...
=
;
But what think ye?<=
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Oh, I don't think this will be what keeps me out of said kingdom. =
Guess I had better get ready for the ultimate Descent into the Maelstrom, e=
h?
Speaking of descending, I have, this evening, inaugurated my "Cheap &am=
p; Easy Bargain Basement" on my rickgrunder.com website. The prices th=
ere, hopefully, shall redeem and give comfort, until I, together with all fellow Shelfers, "am brought forth triumphan=
t through the air, to meet you before the pleasing bar of the great Jehovah=20=
. . ."
In our dreams,
R. Book
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From: "Lark and Mick Reasor"
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Descent into the Maelstrom
Date: 02 Feb 2004 22:59:52 -0600
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MessageI think since you're dealing with "collectible value" no =
repentance is necessary. Collectibles can vary in price widely and =
wildly from time to time and place to place and as far as I can tell, =
the only determining factor is how much someone is willing to pay for a =
thing. The buyer determines the value and the price. The book was =
accurately described and offered for $30. 15 or 20 people decided it =
was worth more than that to them. I recently listed some old, dusty, =
water damaged ceramics magazines just before sending them to the =
landfill and sold them to various buyers for $400. Who am I to say =
their value was any less?
Mick
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Malcolm Vickery=20
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:26 PM
Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Descent into the Maelstrom
Rick, Rick, Rick....
I don't know how you live with yourself!!!! I hope you feel utterly =
ashamed!!
Over $500.00!!! That is CRAZY!!
You never ever see me getting crazy amounts for books on Ebay!!!! (Ha =
Ha!! If you believe that - You'll believe anything!!)
But... On the other hand - This does bring up the interesting question =
of the morality of selling books at way above fair market price - Even =
if it is in an auction setting.
I would hate Rick to get to the judgement bar and be rejected from the =
CK all over a crummy Deseret Alphabet that he sold at an extortionate =
amount - I know, I know, or me for some of the prices that folks have =
paid for some of my meager offerings...
But what think ye?
Malcolm - Distinctive Books
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of =
RickBook@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 8:59 PM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Descent into the Maelstrom
In a message dated 2/2/2004 10:47:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
hjmckell@xmission.com writes:
BTW, Rick, over $500 for that book!! Way to GO!!!
THe other other Hugh
Um - I feel dirty, somehow.
But thanks!
Heading for the shower,
RickBook
In case anyone missed the utter insanity:
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I think since you're dealing with "collectible value" no repentance =
is=20
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time to=20
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factor is=20
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determines the=20
value and the price. The book was accurately described =
and offered=20
for $30. 15 or 20 people decided it was worth more than that to=20
them. I recently listed some old, dusty, water =
damaged ceramics=20
magazines just before sending them to the landfill and sold them to =
various=20
buyers for $400. Who am I to say their value was any less?
Mick
----- Original Message -----
From:=20
Malcolm Vickery =
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmis=
sion.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 =
10:26=20
PM
Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] =
Descent into=20
the Maelstrom
Rick, Rick, =
Rick....
I don't know how you live with=20
yourself!!!! I hope you feel utterly ashamed!!
Over $500.00!!! That is=20
CRAZY!!
You never ever see me getting =
crazy=20
amounts for books on Ebay!!!! (Ha Ha!!=20
If you believe that - You'll believe anything!!)
But... On the other hand - This =
does bring=20
up the interesting question of the morality of selling books at way =
above fair=20
market price - Even if it is in an auction setting.
I would hate Rick to get to the =
judgement=20
bar and be rejected from the CK all over a crummy Deseret Alphabet =
that he=20
sold at an extortionate amount - I know, I know, or me for some of the =
prices=20
that folks have paid for some of my meager offerings...
But what think ye?
Malcolm - Distinctive =
Books
In a message dated 2/2/2004 10:47:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
hjmckell@xmission.com writes:
BTW, Rick, over $500 for that book!! Way =
to=20
GO!!!
THe other other Hugh
Um - I feel dirty, somehow.
But thanks!
Heading for the shower,
RickBook
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?=
ViewItem&item=3D3583558936&ssPageName=3DADME:B:LC:US:1
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From: RickBook@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Descent into the Maelstrom
Date: 03 Feb 2004 00:47:07 EST
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In a message dated 2/2/2004 11:59:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
marklick@callta.com writes:
I think since you're dealing with "collectible value" no repentance is
necessary. Collectibles can vary in price widely and wildly from time to time and
place to place and as far as I can tell, the only determining factor is how
much someone is willing to pay for a thing. The buyer determines the value and
the price. The book was accurately described and offered for $30. 15 or 20
people decided it was worth more than that to them. I recently listed some old,
dusty, water damaged ceramics magazines just before sending them to the
landfill and sold them to various buyers for $400. Who am I to say their value was
any less?
Mick
Certainly there are distinctions when we investigate the ethics of such
transactions, and well-meaning people may have differing views. My personal
attitude, as a pseudo-expert in some narrow aspects of antiquarian books & papers,
has long been that if a self-declared dealer sets a price, I am free to pay it.
But if that same dealer appeals to me for information, I must then either
not respond, or else give or sell my honest opinion.
If a non-dealer appeals to me, I am under particularly stringent obligations
to be fair (but not positively charitable- I explain to them that I have
earned my way and paid my dues, and deserve a decent profit, et yadda, yadda,
yadda).
If the bidder who won this junky copy of the book had called or e-mailed and
asked for advice about how high to go, I would have told him I felt the price
was already too high - I really would. Such candor loses a few deals (many
deals), but it makes a career - such as it is. No saint, here, just indignant
when I see people ripped off. Auction madness, however, is its own reward.
RG
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In a message dated 2/2/2004 11:59:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, marklick=
@callta.com writes:
I think since you're dealing with "collecti=
ble value" no repentance is necessary. Collectibles can vary in price=20=
widely and wildly from time to time and place to place and as far as I can t=
ell, the only determining factor is how much someone is willing to pay for a=
thing. The buyer determines the value and the price. The book w=
as accurately described and offered for $30. 15 or 20 people deci=
ded it was worth more than that to them. I recently listed some old, d=
usty, water damaged ceramics magazines just before sending them to the=20=
landfill and sold them to various buyers for $400. Who am I to say the=
ir value was any less?
Mick
Certainly there are distinctions when we investigate the ethics of such=
transactions, and well-meaning people may have differing views. My pe=
rsonal attitude, as a pseudo-expert in some narrow aspects of antiquarian bo=
oks & papers, has long been that if a self-declared dealer sets a price,=
I am free to pay it. But if that same dealer appeals to me for inform=
ation, I must then either not respond, or else give or sell my honest opinio=
n.
If a non-dealer appeals to me, I am under particularly stringent obliga=
tions to be fair (but not positively charitable- I explain to them that I ha=
ve earned my way and paid my dues, and deserve a decent profit, et yadda, ya=
dda, yadda).
If the bidder who won this junky copy of the book had called or e-maile=
d and asked for advice about how high to go, I would have told him I felt th=
e price was already too high - I really would. Such candor loses a few=
deals (many deals), but it makes a career - such as it is. No saint,=20=
here, just indignant when I see people ripped off. Auction madness, ho=
wever, is its own reward.
RG
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From: rickbook@aol.com
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Status
Date: 11 Feb 2004 12:33:34 -0700
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Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Status
Date: 11 Feb 2004 11:44:48 -0800 (PST)
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Rick -- according to my mail reader, your message (see below) was infected with the mydoom virus. It would not let me open or save it.
You might want to check your system.
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You might want to check your system.
--Steve
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From: RickBook@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Status
Date: 12 Feb 2004 00:19:05 EST
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In a message dated 2/11/2004 2:45:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
steve_eccles@sbcglobal.net writes:
Rick -- according to my mail reader, your message (see below) was infected
with the mydoom virus. It would not let me open or save it.
You might want to check your system.
--Steve
Yeah - not sure what to do. I did not send you any e-mail, and my aol does
not show me sending any (either the online record, or the automatically saved
record). It must have something do do with my website, somehow, and my web guy
hasn't answered my question yet - he was quite ill.
I appreciate you letting me know!
Thanks,
Rick
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cles@sbcglobal.net writes:
Rick -- according to my mail reader, your message (s=
ee below) was infected with the mydoom virus. It would not let me open or sa=
ve it.
You might want to check your system.
--Steve
Yeah - not sure what to do. I did not send you any e-mail, and my=
aol does not show me sending any (either the online record, or the automati=
cally saved record). It must have something do do with my website, som=
ehow, and my web guy hasn't answered my question yet - he was quite ill.
I appreciate you letting me know!
Thanks,
Rick
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From: RickBook@aol.com
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Update from Grunder Doom
Date: 12 Feb 2004 00:47:26 EST
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Upadate:
My website host informs me:
"You should be fine. There are two new email virus going around. They spoof
email addresses so you never know who sent it or who will receive it. The
latest McAfee virus update should be dated January 29, 2004. If you have that
you should be okay."
In addition, I find the same information at:
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100983.htm
So if I understand it correctly, I am not the sender, but the virus claims I
am, so that the recipient does not know the name of the actual sender.
Re-scanned the computer last night on the very latest McAfee virus software,
and I'm clean and the freshly-driven snow of LaFayette, NY.
Rick
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Upadate:
My website host informs me:
"You should be fine. There are t=
wo new email virus going around. They spoof email addresses so you nev=
er know who sent it or who will receive it. The latest McAfee virus up=
date should be dated January 29, 2004. If you have that you should be okay."=
In addition, I find the same informati=
on at:
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100983.htm
So if I understand it correctly, I am=20=
not the sender, but the virus claims I am, so that the recipient does not kn=
ow the name of the actual sender.
Re-scanned the computer last night on=20=
the very latest McAfee virus software, and I'm clean and the freshly-driven=20=
snow of LaFayette, NY.
Rick
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From: Steve Eccles
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Update from Grunder Doom
Date: 12 Feb 2004 05:34:54 -0800 (PST)
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I have been getting tons of messages from people I have never heard of, all with the virus. Most have been from Australia e-mail addresses.
I am really wondering if people aren't going to get tired of e-mail attacks and decide that they don't need the risk of using the internet and e-mail eventually.
Maybe this will force book dealers back into stores??
--Steve
RickBook@aol.com wrote:
Upadate:
My website host informs me:
"You should be fine. There are two new email virus going around. They spoof email addresses so you never know who sent it or who will receive it. The latest McAfee virus update should be dated January 29, 2004. If you have that you should be okay."
In addition, I find the same information at:
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100983.htm
So if I understand it correctly, I am not the sender, but the virus claims I am, so that the recipient does not know the name of the actual sender.
Re-scanned the computer last night on the very latest McAfee virus software, and I'm clean and the freshly-driven snow of LaFayette, NY.
Rick
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I have been getting tons of messages from people I have never heard of, all with the virus. Most have been from Australia e-mail addresses.
I am really wondering if people aren't going to get tired of e-mail attacks and decide that they don't need the risk of using the internet and e-mail eventually.
Maybe this will force book dealers back into stores??
--Steve
RickBook@aol.com wrote:
Upadate:
My website host informs me:
"You should be fine. There are two new email virus going around. They spoof email addresses so you never know who sent it or who will receive it. The latest McAfee virus update should be dated January 29, 2004. If you have that you should be okay."
In addition, I find the same information at:
So if I understand it correctly, I am not the sender, but the virus claims I am, so that the recipient does not know the name of the actual sender.
Re-scanned the computer last night on the very latest McAfee virus software, and I'm clean and the freshly-driven snow of LaFayette, NY.
Rick
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From: RickBook@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Update from Grunder Doom
Date: 12 Feb 2004 11:22:18 EST
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In a message dated 2/12/2004 8:35:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
steve_eccles@sbcglobal.net writes:
Maybe this will force book dealers back into stores??
But are there enough store/dealer-oriented customers remaining? A dying
species is hard to rescue from the brink of extinction.
RickBook
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Maybe this will force book dealers back into s=
tores??
But are there enough store/dealer-oriented customers remaining? A=
dying species is hard to rescue from the brink of extinction.
RickBook
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From: "Albert Gardner"
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Update from Grunder Doom
Date: 12 Feb 2004 15:02:00 -0700
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Gad!
First I was young and callow,
Then old and decrepit,
Now not only am I dying
but my species is on the verge of extinction!
Albert Gardner
Yuma Territorial Penitentiary
Yuma, Arizona
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Gad!
First I was young and callow,
Then old and decrepit,
Now not only am I dying
but my species is on the verge of extinction!
Albert Gardner
Yuma Territorial Penitentiary
Yuma, Arizona
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From: RickBook@aol.com
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bookstore folks
Date: 12 Feb 2004 17:36:35 EST
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In a message dated 2/12/2004 5:02:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
spudnut@worldnet.att.net writes:
Gad!
First I was young and callow,
Then old and decrepit,
Now not only am I dying
but my species is on the verge of extinction!
Albert Gardner
Yuma Territorial Penitentiary
Yuma, Arizona
Rare, like the books you read, but not quite extinct.
RG
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worldnet.att.net writes:
Gad!
First I was young and callow,
Then old and decrepit,
Now not only am I dying
but my species is on the verge of exti=
nction!
Albert Gardner
Yuma Territorial Penitentiary
Yuma, Arizona
Rare, like the books you read, but not quite extinct.
RG
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From: RickBook@aol.com
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] same name as always
Date: 28 Feb 2004 22:02:03 EST
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Just a note to assure fellow shelfers that I am not operating on eBay under a
secretive double name, heh, heh. The seller of the following item has helped
him- or herself, verbatim, to the text of my lengthy, detailed description of
that Deseret Alphabet book which admittedly sold for an absurdly high price .
. .
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3591201365&category=29220
I think the most disappointing aspect is that someone selling BOOKS seems to
have no concept of the unacceptablility of plagiarism.
Yuck,
RickBook
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em has helped him- or herself, verbatim, to the text of my lengthy, detailed=
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I think the most disappointing aspect is that someone selling BOOKS see=
ms to have no concept of the unacceptablility of plagiarism.
Yuck,
RickBook
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From: "Malcolm Vickery"
Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] same name as always
Date: 28 Feb 2004 21:42:10 -0700
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I know what you mean Rick,
Look at this one here:-
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
&item=3589683519
He has my description and even a photo that I used.
That's MY hand in that picture - dang it!!
I had a friend at Ebay spot it for me and advise that I report it.
This is the URL where he suggested I report it.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/vero-image-text-theft.html
Not sure whether it'll do any good...
Best!
Malcolm
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Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 8:02 PM
Just a note to assure fellow shelfers that I am not operating on eBay
under a secretive double name, heh, heh. The seller of the following
item has helped him- or herself, verbatim, to the text of my lengthy,
detailed description of that Deseret Alphabet book which admittedly sold
for an absurdly high price . . .
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
&item=3591201365&category=29220
I think the most disappointing aspect is that someone selling BOOKS
seems to have no concept of the unacceptablility of plagiarism.
Yuck,
RickBook
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Best!
Malcolm
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Yuck,
RickBook
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From: RickBook@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] same name as always
Date: 29 Feb 2004 11:42:46 EST
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In a message dated 2/28/2004 11:41:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
malcolm@distinctivebooks.com writes:
I know what you mean Rick,
Look at this one here:-
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3589683519
He has my description and even a photo that I used.
That's MY hand in that picture - dang it!!
Ah, yes, I recognize the picture. Clearly, that is blatant misrepresentation
of the product which this other party is selling (if, indeed, they even HAVE
a product at all, i.e., the book). It is scarcely possible for two copies of
a book of this age to be in identical condition, so the buyer will not get
what they see in the stolen picture of your copy.
eBay's limit of 45 characters in the title of a presentation leads to
interesting phrases. I have come up with a few creative ones myself. The title of
the pirated presentation,
"ExRare 1st Edn!! Talmage House of Lord Mormon"
creates a delicious "Star Wars" sort of imagery. The "House of Lord Mormon"
undoubtedly governs some distant planet with an iron - if just - hand. It is
a place of endless war and occasional repentance.
Rick
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ey even HAVE a product at all, i.e., the book). It is scarcely possibl=
e for two copies of a book of this age to be in identical condition, so the=20=
buyer will not get what they see in the stolen picture of your copy.
eBay's limit of 45 characters in the title of a presentation leads to i=
nteresting phrases. I have come up with a few creative ones myself.&nb=
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creates a delicious "Star Wars" sort of imagery. The "House of Lo=
rd Mormon" undoubtedly governs some distant planet with an iron - if just -=20=
hand. It is a place of endless war and occasional repentance.
Rick
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